r/maliciouscompliance | Engineers *DIDN'T* Listen To Me!
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2019
- Storytime Reddit Stories r maliciouscompliance where my family ran a business dealing with water and wastewater pumps. An Engineer and city planner thought they knew better than me and it backfired... New manager’s cost cutting policies drive us out of business.
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Have a similar story but in reverse, old guy who had worked in the field for years and young engineer ,first job out of school. The company I worked for contracted HVAC work at our local military bases. We had a contract to do the duct work at a building renovation. They were adding a second floor to an existing building. In the drawing it showed 8 in round ducts feeding air into each room but when we examined the job we discovered that it was 8 in oval. No where was there room to run round pipe. My boss who had worked in the duct design before the Korean war ,started doing calculations on his tablet and discovered that they were going to be short about 2 tons of AC. Next was the big shouting match with the site engineer ,who claimed to have done the calculations himself. When my boss showed him the difference in air flow between round and oval pipe the engineer claimed they were the same because if you ran a tape around round pipe and oval pipe you get the same measurement. I thought I saw steam coming out of my bosses head when he calmly picked up a short piece of 8 in round ,handed the engineer his tape measure . Stomped on the pipe smashing it flat. He then looked at the engineer and said, guess what, if you measure it now you still will get the same outside measurement BUT HOW MUCH F>>>KING AIR is going through it. Boss would spend hours showing how to do things but never suffered fools very well. Once he realized he was dealing with a fool they were done.
If that engineer hadn't been so full of himself, he would have said, "Holy cow, you're right. Good catch, kid."
Some bean counters can figure you can save money by not feeding your horse. Works for a couple of days so at first it looks good on the report. By the end of a month, unexpected problems arise such as dead horses don't complete the work they used to.
An engineering disaster was avoided in NYC just because a student double checked the math, and pointed out that it was wrong on a skyscraper.
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First case, teenager had a responsibility to to his family business to lay the problem in their hands so they could address the issue 'adult to adult'. Even if the business wins a lawsuit, the name of the business in the lawsuit can leave a taint causing loss of business. I'm surprised the family didn't have a legal team representing it, causing costs, all because the teen didn't think that his family business could be damaged. But this does show a good compliance with keeping good records. I always advise employees to keep contemporaneous records.
Ariana Grande's dad is like the last story. No vacation time, no sick time, no paid holidays, and expect your hourly wage to be VERY low in the poor range while the clients are multimillionaires.
I have met more than a few people for whom it was more important to them that their policies, plans and positions were acknowledged as being right than actually being correct. If they heard anything different, they would verbally or covertly attack the ones who said it. It didn't matter if their flawed policies would destroy a company or project, just that their position was right. They would blame everyone and everything other than themselves when those policies didn't work. Unfortunately, some of these individuals were the ones running the company, or in supervisory positions where they would cause a lot of damage. It seemed everyone else paid the price except for them.
I have a relative who has a situation similar to the last story. A key employee came up for retirement. My nephew advised his supervisors that the company needed to start looking for a replacement ASAP. They didn't listen. The retiring guy had something like 30 years of total experience in what HE did. The replacement employee was NOT hired in time to learn everything that the retiring guy did or knew. The 30 year guy left about 2 or 3 weeks ago.There are now problems. Some people in the company location didn't EVEN know that the 30 year guy was GONE. Show up at the desk and ask my relative about WHERE IS "D". THIS is how companies go belly-up real quick.
I didn't take a class on line drop calculations until I was in graduate school for engineering and already had a master's degree in Applied Mathematics. Which I'm sure was part of the problem. The engineer couldn't believe that the kid knew what he was talking about because it would damage his ego. So he got his back up and yelled at the kid. Fine I get that, that is human, but if you are any kind of scientist you go and check the numbers anyway. Look over the kids calculations, find out where he is wrong. If he is not you have to accept it. The engineer clearly didn't bother to check.
Corporate mentality
Some idiots would cook the goose that lays golden eggs or the cash cow.
The first story makes me sick. That level of incompetence enrages me, especially when it's the tax payers (us) who end up footing the bill. Never assume someone knows what they're doing simply because they have a title. Morons are everywhere & the truly scary thing is.... they looks just like us & sometimes, you can't figure them out until the damage is already done.
I honestly dont get where people get egos. I'm always assuming I'm doing it all wrong.
In relation to the first story, I work as a an engineer for municipal wastewater.
Thats the thing though, if a child raises a concern you should view it as a teaching moment. After allowing the child to walk you through why they are concerned you can show them errors in their reasoning, or accept yours. You're both better people after this.
My mother's workplace (a radiology center)
It's frustrating to work for management who thinks their title equals experience. I find it easier to argue with a brick wall.
I love how companies are always eager to buy really successful smaller companies and then IMMEDIATELY screw up everything that had been going right.
That 1st story is exactly what happens when ego gets in the way of experience or great ideas. I tell my crew members that if they think they have a better idea about a problem, please share it. The buck stops with me, but I don’t have all the answers. I will be the 1st person to tell the manager that the ‘good idea’ that solved the issue came from an apprentice or whoever.