Pulse MIG vs Short Circuit
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An episode on pulse MIG vs short circuit
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I've got an Everlast pulse mig welder but never tried that feature. What a great video with a clear explanation.
Valuable information as always :)
Weird audio cut out when you where talking about the gas.
Speaking of gas, what was that noise around 7:06?
@@jimandskittum Hahahaha was thinking the same thing
Another great video Jason great information. It’s nice to see using the two different techniques and how it performs with the different gases keep them coming
Great video. Keep them coming, especially the ones on pulse GMAW!
Pulse helps with vertical down on thin gauge steel. I make shelfs when going vertical. Good video!!!
Great video with great info. Thanks for taking the tome to share. Cheers
Great compare. Keep em coming!
I used to run 100s hard wire in pulse mode at the shipyard. The navy wouldn’t let us use flux core on big ut butts vertical up. We could only use 100s wire in pulse mode. We used 95/5 gas. I’d love to see you do a 3 inch thick vertical butt double bevel and gouge out the back and weld it out and then ut it to see how it comes out. 0.45. Not 0.35. Just like to see it as I had to retire early due to cancer treatment issues. I beat it. Not looking for sympathy just would really like to see a video on that. Have a great day. Love all your videos. I’d like to add it was only certain steel types that we couldn’t use flux core.
I like the triangle technique for uphill. Good call.
This is AWESOME! Just dropping off a Knowledge 💣
Great video you should do more vids covering pulse mig both steel ss and aluminum
Weldology, love it!
You guys should do a demo on how to mig weld exaust tubing.
I'm SO PROUD OF YOU GUYS... always using PROPERLY your PPE!
Too good for all of you and very educational to ALL OF US!
Can you do a video about accu pulse welding versus short circuit? We mainly use accu pulse while at work and only use short circuit to uphill or fill in gaps thanks and great video
You can spray overhead fillets. I have to do it for my job
Thanks for the info. LARRY MOORE
If you pause the video and draw straight lines down through both cut and etch lines, the short arc seemed to actually penetrate slightly more than the spray transfer.
Based on every video i saw, Short circuit always have more pen on the side wall. Spray has more into the root direction. Only destruction test can tell the truth.
@@JamesZJiI noticed same. I think spray (cone) is too wide-limiting root penetration. I would like to see cut/etch with spray at closer contact stickout.
Happy Birthday Devil Dog!
Those everlast machines are great. They are the best bang for your buck out there.
I normally run spray downhill and use the arc force to keep the puddle in place so that enough penetration occurs.. never seen anyone manage uphill spray
Using spray vertical is very much doable but you need to manipulate your puddle a lot to get a good looking weld and that makes you sacrifice penetration in your root.
We ran overhead w/spray and had no troubles. It was only out of convenience- and what I mean by that is instead of taking 15 mins to move the part around with the jib crane, we’d just run it overhead. But, I see what you’re getting at here.
You used a different pattern on the short circuit than you did on the pulse, but didn't explain why, or if that had anything to do with not getting into the root. It also looks worse, because the pulse was done first, and pulled the piece to that side, leaving a slight gap for the short circuit side. All that said, it looks to me the short circuit actually had deeper penetration. Could you explain why you used a different pattern, and maybe try it again doing the short circuit first, then the other side to compare apples to apples?
Nice. 👍🏻
Can you show outside corner joint on 1/8", downhill pulse?
I just started a job welding 1/4 inch ar500 steel we use .45 wire and I’m having a really hard time getting my welds to properly fuse both sides. Can you do a video to help?
Thx. Question: little confused about your settings. When you changed to pulse what was the difference in settings vs non pulsed
I’ve been able to spray in the overhead (4F) position but I have to really keep my travel speed up
It can be done absolutely. Steeper push angle and quick whip n pause
can you run vertical up spray with fcaw-s or does the vertical fcaw-s penetrate well enough with short ckt or globular
Is there an advantage one way or the other between GMAW-P and FCAW-G. Seems like the flux core with gas can perform the same as the pulsed spray? and you wouldn't need to invest in a machine that has a pulse option. The added cost of the flux cored wire would seem to be offset by the lesser cost of running straight CO2 in lieu of the higher percent argon mix.
Esab rogue 180, Miller thunderbolt 160, Lincoln century, everlast 200. what’s the best of the best portable stick welder in the $600 range? Your opinion, greatly respected. What you think? I’m leaning towards the esab.
Wait so how did you run spray in the first flat fillet weld using 75/25? Or did I miss you switching out the gas for that
What if you whip it forward then back like you would with stick? Give it a chance to freeze then come back to continue the weld. Just saying
why you did not use the triangle technique for uphill on short circuiting?
Good comparison. However... a spool of E710 and maybe a couple tips are a lot more affordable than a new welder.
Maybe a comparison between dual shield and pulse MIG is in order?
Also, your uphill technique leaves room for improvement.
Can we control bead height 2 - 2.5 mm in CMT mode by using. 100 Argon and1.2mm dia wire in cladding
So is short circuit acceptable for thicker material if they are beveled and you run stringer beads?
What’s interesting is when you went vertical in spray made it started short circuiting 🤔
So on the short circuit side the fit up wasn’t as tight as the pulse side since the pulse side was done first and pulled a small gap in the other side. So it’s kinda not apples to apples. Looking at the acid etching, the penetration depth actually looks to be similar, but it wasn’t measured, we were just going off optics. I like the pulse though, so much cleaner.
Great stuff as always,. Here is a question, l dont have the posibility to change gas, should I move to Flux core for 3/8 and up? Greetings from Argentina
Greetings from California!
How bout using 100% Argon with 70s6 wire?? How does that work out??
From a hobbiest stand can using spray transfer (82% argon be beneficial when limited to 110 input voltage
No, because you won’t have enough voltage, which I believe is 24-25 volts minimum.
As a new makerspace club cost is a major concern as we put together a metal fab shop on a budget. We are thinking tig/stick because it is awesome but argon is spendy. I think we can tig braze with nitrogen. They use nitrogen as shielding gas in a couple different situations. What about tig brazing with pure nitrogen? 50/50 mix? Would Mr. tig demo this maybe?
Yeah i have no idea what you're talking about, I realize now that I know nothing about welding in general lol
It's often said that ER70S-2 wire is more "sticky." Would it be possible to run spray in other positions with this wire, without pulse?
They say coke is addictive....
But i tried pulse mig once and it's over...
Now i just pulse everything.....i cannot stop. I don't want to stop!
Why does the millermatic 220 splatter like hell on plulse mig with 035 on c25. I get super nice clean flat welds, great penetration but the splatter is wild and I hear all the time pulse is supposed to have anti splatter qualities
Hey, I've been wondering in a production setting running 1/4 steel and thinner on non structural applications is there a benefit to running pulse over short circuit other than post weld cleaning? Is it possible to run pulse downhill on thin and thick metal without lack of fusion?
Pulse is the preferred mode for all welding in my shop (Lincoln welders and rapid arc for vertical down). In house we recommend pulse over short circuit for all applications unless we have to use metal core, too many guys cold lap short circuit because we aren’t given time to clean scale. We make dump trucks out of ss, gr50, and mild steel. We ran pulse vertical down for years before we found out it’s “not recommended”
You might have issues with cooking your thinner material but fusion shouldn't be an issue. Pulse atleast on the machines I've used run hotter and faster wire. You set the arc length rather than wire speed, real weird but definitely nice flat solid welds coming from pulse.
Say you had to weld thick material out of position and you were stick welding it say it was 5/16th thick if you ran a 5/32nd rod and multi passed it it would be enough right?
I ask this because the only time I myself am gonna weld metal this thick would be doing mobile repair most likely and I'll be setup for stick welding also wouldnt it be best to bevel this if I'm really worried about punching into the root? Just wondering thanks jason always appreciate when you do a video you explain things really well verbally and under the hood
Question: If I need to weld an 1/16" or 1/8" wall tubing to 1/2" plate or thicker. Is it okay to short circuit MIG or should I stick weld it? Do I set the machine for the thinner material or something hotter? I know it will weld into the thinner material fine but will it penetrate the thicker material enough? I have a Lincoln 210 mp so I cannot spray. I run 035 wire , c25 gas. Just my home projects. Welding legs onto a plate to make an anvil stand. I usually go hotter and direct my heat into the thicker metal but maybe that is wrong.
You can mig this just fine. Aiming into the thicker stuff is right. Grind the scale off to improve penetration. I’d turn the machine down enough to keep from burning holes in the tube.
@@hodgepodgeenginerd1258 Thank you. I will do that.
Can mts 225 lighting spray mig?
Could you guys please do some videos on multi pass fillet welds. Vertical up and vertical down, short circuit transfer with er70s6 75/25 on some 12mm steel (1/2”) I would greatly appreciate it guys
Just curious, spray mig on thin material such as sheet metal?
You'd blow straight through sheet metal with spray.
Im new at mug welding but have been stuck welding for years and have been looking at the Miller 235 and just wonder what your thoughts are on the everlasting?
I was asking his thoughts on welders. If you didn’t have anything to add then why did you reply
If you're on FB join our group. There's lots of guys in there that can tell you all about our machines.
@Wroger Wroger the gentleman didn't ask about specs. He asked for a testimonial. I gave him an area where he could get many. If he asked a technical question I would've been more than happy to answer.
@Wroger Wroger Obviously, you need to learn something about MIG/GMAW welding. Wire speed and Amp control are the same exact adjustment. The wire speed and diameter/type of wire determine the amperage delivered to the weld. If you were a true MIG welder, you'd know this. You cannot have separate controls for wire speed and amperage. They can be measured and expressed differently, but it is the same exact control. Everlast, incidentally has several basic MIGs and has for many years. But if you were more than a drive by poster, you'd know this. This MIG answers a need in the auto industry for welding on newer and more exotic forms of Aluminum that are being used. It also has a setting for MIG brazing for high carbon steels. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd have said nothing. It was demoed with steel, but shines really with aluminum.
@Wroger Wroger LOL. Don't even know the basics about welding, or what the controls do and you are building your own machines? And you are trolling Everlast?
Can you still do vertical pulse spray on the thick material like 1” on a miller350p? Anyone want to drop quick settings
In one pass??? LoL
Just run stringers...
does pulse mig work with 75/25... I used it like that in school and it sounded and looked just like the one you ran with the higher argon mix, was wondering what the difference in pulse mig is like between the two gases.
Not spraying
I would like to see a video something like this one where I can’t go to specialized equipment. I am what you would call a bit more than a hobby welder. I work out of a small garage. At my age 70 it would be stupid to go buy some specialized equipment. I weld with a Lincoln 210 MP. Now for this particular application I would tack one side, back gouge the joint and weld it up, then back gouge the other side and weld it up. This would give me a full penetration joint. What’s you’re opinion? In my opinion this would allow me to properly do the job without investing in new equipment and using what I already have.
Kinda depends on how much time your spending with extra prep work compared to what is needed with the special equipment.
What you doing is fine ? Or of one edge just grind 45 degree before welding , do a root run then a top run ?
Would be intereresting to compare the Pulse Process to normal Spray Process in a Horizontal Position, with a cut and etch!
Good Content as always!
7:51 you see that the T join is not perpendicular.The first weld pull the other piece to it and open a gap for the second weld.I don't belive this test was very nice
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@3:30 Well, i find spray to be real smooth for overhead fillet's (PD/4F), give it a try, just adjust your angle.
Question on mixing gas. To avoid buying a third tank-can I mix my 100% argon with my 75/25 to make the equivalent of 90/10? What type of valve would I need and what would pressure settings be ? Might make a good episode if it hasn't already been addressed in previous videos.
Unfortunately, I can only get 80 cu ft tanks because of no delivery to a residential area, and, well, that’s what fits in the car. So it’s argon and ar/Co2 75/25. They won’t fill anything else in that size tank. So what are the best options for 3/8 to 1/2? Multi pass of course, but stick isn’t really my thing.
Crank up MIG and try out Globular.
@@donsmith9081 nah, globular isn’t the best way.
@@melgross I did not say it was the Best way. He is unable to get his small tank filled with the right gas to try spray.
However, after seeing the cut and etch of Globular and Spray, I was surprised to see how close penetration was.
I still don’t really understand the difference between spray and pulse?
When I went to trade school we always had to do a root run for the vertical up weld. A good welder should be able to set the welder to out perform the pulse welding process.
Can you use tig without gas and a filler rod?
I'd like you to think about your question and come back with theories to support why it will and why it will not work.
Without filler rod yes, without argon or helium gas No
@@NemesisRTCW Teach a kid to think and he learns for a lifetime...
Try with a stick welding rod.
Audio cut out 1:57 to 2:08.
Are you in Florida?
You've proven that just because a weld looks good it does not mean it has penetrated. Can you guys do a video to see if an ugly weld will still pass?
"And burn again". I always have that resolution but most of the time I can't make it
And 90 10 gas performs alot better
So you Guys Weld Steel with MIG(inert Gas)? Interesting. We Weld Steel MAG active Gas 82 Argon 18 co2
Ok so I run pluse might on a Lincoln 360 mp and by the way its sounding your not doing it right at all. You are supposed to run in a stringer like method and gotta have a steady hand. I'm not sure how I can post a picture or a video of me performing the pluse mig metal transfer but if you give me an email I will email you them
I understand you are professional but I'm a hobbyist and I really can't afford to change gas rental bottles for each project
Some suppliers will let you have cylinder for free for 30 days. Then charge rental monthly after that....
Then you select a process that meets 80% of your needs. How often you weld thicker than 5/16"?
try some dual shield flux core , you can use 75/25 or even 100% CO2 . 035 wire will do most jobs to 3/8 in (1/2 in with 045) and there is little smoke as compared to self shielded flux core and with the dual shield you can weld in any postition to max the metal size you do need at least a 200 amp welder
Im having a hard time knowing the difference. I only hear a difference.
2nd, but a 3rd class welder.
thnx for video🙏 Hi from Russia🇷🇺🤝
The circut weld was been terrible.
1st
wait, who is this guy is he new?
He's the original gangsta. But the youtube-fame and money has him spending all his time on his yacht with a bunch of hoes. That's why we rarely see him.
Lol I was just kidding.. First time I've seen him since he cut his beard.
@Wroger Wroger lol I always wondered if it wasn't a fire hazard 😅
marine take a clean shave