Jordan Peterson - It's not important whether you win or lose
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- Jordan Peterson breaks down the fundamental ethic behind what it means when you tell your kids "it's not important whether you win or lose".
From The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast, JRE #1139.
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I remember this Formula 1 race that had a horrible accident, one of the contestant's breaks didn't work and the car ended up flipping and rolling off the track. Another contestant that was in the top 5 stopped his car and went to help this guy even tho that would mean a sure race loss. I remember this selfless act even today. I can't explain why, but sometimes in life, there is this feeling that overcomes us to "do the right thing".
His name? Lightning McQueen
That's the plot of Cars
Was that regarding Ayrton Senna stopping his car to help Ratzenberger?
That could be either Alonso’s crash in Melbourne in 2016? Or thereabouts. Where Romain Grosjean who was also involved in the accident got out to check on him. The other one that comes to mind is the Guanyu Zhou accident this past season in Silverstone, UK where Zhou flipped over a safety barricade and George Russell got out and made sure he was conscious.
Which race was it?
It's crazy how this man explains everything in such a brilliant way!
Yeah, in America, maybe. I Think he is a populist. In the land of the blind, the One-eyed man is King.
@@v1705 I have followed him for quite a while. He is definitely not 'one-eyed' man. He is not an American. He is based in Canada, but engaged in talks and conversation all over the world.
Wasn't so brilliant debating Sam Harris. He later appologized for his behavior and admitted he wanted to win so bad. Kind of ironic.
Shame he's a loon
@@itiszulu Bible said the one who ensures will be saved..
Win the long game, but take it easy..
Really wish this kind of thinking was more prevalent in our culture.
Hell yeah!!!!
It might be alive in some corners.
You'll have to raise the average intelligence
It sounds as though you should start developing your voice and speaking. Don’t just wish. Do.
The world can go fuck itself. I wish it was more prevalent in ME.
Sometimes people just need to accept defeat and not make excuses
I started racing in 3rd grade. My first race, I won 1st place. And I always win races. And when I lose, I was a sore loser. I wouldn't accept defeat that lightly, because I was so used to winning. Even at 2nd place, I consider that losing already. And when I acted up, my dad got upset, because he said that's not how I should act, and I should have more fun than actually winning. He never explained why. And I've always thought I was having fun because I was winning. I just followed him and when I lost, I tried to act it was okay. And from then on, I wasn't a loser who acted up when I don't get first place. Honestly... whether it's a subtle thing that I carried over to my young adult life, I can't ignore the fact that it probably impacted me more than I thought it did. I am honestly a person I would want to meet in my lifetime at this point. I am a conscious person, I go to the gym, I'm very social in any social setting than before because I'm an introvert. And it's all because I just want thing to be a little bit more fun than when I wasn't present at a place. Let's get better everyday kings and queens 💪
beautiful
In my opinion, what people like the previous you need is a complete and utter loss. One that makes you nearly despair. Sounds harsh but the reality of things is that most people when they lose will keep making excuses like "Oh i wasn't feeling good today" or "I wasn't serious!". Hell, they'll even say you aren't even good and they're better. Seriously it makes me want to vomit whenever i encounter those people. They don't want all their effort to be all wasted so they make excuses and think not giving up is the answer. They need a reality check.
This quote here sums up why i think like this
Quote by Ego Jinpachi from Blue Lock
"Defeat is a natural phenomon that must exist in the world of competition. Even for the world's best it is impossible to win everytime. What matters is what you take the from defeat. A loser is denied on the field they play on. For at fighter, there is nothing worse than that despair. And yet many average joes don't carve this despair into their minds, that's important.
Denied for their powerlessness and lack of talent, they're afraid to acknowledge their mistakes and unconciously make excuses, fantastically unaware they are doing so. In order to feel like it's all been a waste, they trick themselves into thinking not giving up is the answer. I call it "dream doping". Their goal used to be achieving their dream, but now their goal is the act of chasing after it.
I have zero interest in garbage who continue to fool themsevles while chasing the ghost of a dream.
If you don't live your life to achieve your dream it's pointless. That's why defeat is the crossroads for your dream. What's needed is the strength to fully realize your powerlessness in that moment.
The ability to feel despair. There is a path you can only see once you've given up on path to your dream, and that path leads to new potential.
Those who continue to fight in spite of their despair are bestowed the power to achieve their goal."
Losers lose races, winners win them. Sorry for breaking it up to you. You could have fun being a loser but that still makes you one
He’s explaining don’t let success control how you live and treat others
No, that wasn not the point of his answer.
What hes saying is a game is just a game within a game so dont lose the bigger game just so you can win the smaller game in it. Sometimes when you win, you lose.
Don't let the pursuing of success do that*. Because,if you are obsessed with it,you probably won't see the bigger picture. What is important is what you become. And of course that is not necessarily excluding the specific game you are playing. If you are getting better and there are clear chances of promotion,its a good game. The lose of a match won't affect that. And this still applies to high leagues. It's useless to act egoistically.
Long term attitude.
@@missionpupa no....he's saying Nikes are good soccer shoes
@@randyg.7940 so are adidas
Winning is just a product of improving yourself. Winning games comes naturally when you become the best version of yourself. This goes beyond sports. Nowadays people put to much emphasis on the "win" but not the actual science of why a "win" happens.
True 😊
This made me realize that the way people approach games is usually the exact same way that they approach life....that was a crazy thing to contemplate
Life is a game, or a series of games. This analogy does make it pretty easy to understand :)
actually everything you do is interconnected to your inner being and feelings.
when i was a kid i played the electric guitar and, not so well initially :)
after my first love adventure.... i started playing guitar waaaaay better.
i remember i was watching my fingers touch the chords and there was something different about it....
I was more gentle, receptive and engaged..... fingers would dance on the chords.... i wondered how ? the sounds i was able to pull off, were one order of magnitude better.....
Well.... my new guitar-touching, was actually derived from the way I learned to touch my first lover gf :)
What you said above, triggered in me to remember that... i was approching the guitar-play, the same way I was approaching the playing with my girl :)
Since then, I realised I can put this type of love in my work, in cooking, writing, listening, talking, hugging, walking, dressing, cleaning, making love..... Well, thats life in a nutshell.
Because of my first lover, I learned to love myself and love my life a little bit more. Her love has touched my way of approaching life forever :)
behind every good impression that I was able to leave, in life, there is a successfull story of love that thought me so :)
I am fortunate enough to say that I had experienced true love, often and none of my past relationships i closed, ended up in bad breakups.
I am one of the few guys, that is still a friend with ALL the ladies from the past. How i got here ? It all goes back to my first love. She thought me how and why to live life :)
@@sherbang7076 lovely story thank you so much :)
I've been told: 'Winning alone is not enough. Everyone else must also lose' which never quite sit right with me.
Dad actually taught me that losing has way more value than our society gives it credit for.
Winners get the trophy, short term success to put something on a shelf that says we were really good.
Losers though get a test, a divine test to grow themselves offered only to them. Growing up I always thought it was weird he wasn’t making it about my skill, but my attitude was always the thing he was trying to teach me on.
Thank God for that. He taught me how to find silver linings, how to look at a loss and see it as a way to seek areas of improvement, a great extension of that lesson was how to ask the best kid on the field for help, and in a catastrophic defeat, be the kid least phased personally with the most positive outlook, a great extension of that lesson was to learn to smile and enjoy myself in tough scenarios.
I’d practice basketball, but I never realized he was teaching me how to handle the storms of life. Thanks so much dad.
Exactly, it is written in the gita, don't worry about the result, but keep doing your part as best as you can, and accept your result. If you follow this you will automatically win at life 🙏
india didnt really do too well with that religion, so i dont think its good advice
@@crazyrr144 how so ?
@@ytadd9414 they were dominated by foreign powers with different religions, so its not a successful philisophy to hold
@@ytadd9414 India is a different story: they didn't even work to win the game. It isn't winning if you don't work to win
@@leaflight7903 idk what you mean by that, but india did fight back against the invasion of abrahamic religions, thats why we still have our indigenous faith and culture preserved to some extent, although ofcourse we took a severe beating also, but we are definitely stronger than european nations who lost their pagan indigenous cultures to Christianity
Networking, networking, networking is the important thing that school and parents rarely teach
He’s talking about life as an infinite game vs the short-sighted and short-term finite game.
Simon Sinek has a great book and lecture(s) on this.
its ok to loose the battle
but don't loose the war
Lose*
Omg mind blowing. I gotta watch the whole pod cast. N follow this guys work.
you know something important going on when Joe Rogan shut his mouth for 5 mins
You will win either way, winning or lossing by gaining experience. We dont need to scare someone if we lose.
#Honor is an achievement
To paraphrase a good quote I can't exactly remember:
Anyone who has every been good at anything has lost exponentially more times than most people have ever even played.
@@Saskaruto16 Sadly because there are envious, jealous and insecure real devils that are playing as God.
Real good ones, still...are the real winners by the ways. ✌️💕
I totally agree with you professor , thats why in the game when we lose we tend to be sport , because we understand the manner and values of accepting defeat and challenges in life either it's in sport or even how you gambling your life , we learn to accept failure as well we define the behaviour when once we encounter a failure and in kind you become sport and professional ....God bless Professors Jordan Peterson and more power
I came to CZcams cause I was thinking about winning or losing what matters is to participate like he said. Is a privilege to have a chance at winning. Life is a gift we should grateful for the opportunity. GBY
Warrior seek not the victory but the struggle
Picks them up the right way if you win. Handhakes too are just one of the most importamt part of the game. It gives smiles and naturally wipes out tears.
Absolutely brilliant articulation. Makes me ponder on my message here, how I can get even remotely close to Dr. Peterson
The package is in you it’s in everyone, he’s just unpacking it. Like how he says that a simple saying is “really complicated” at the beginning of the vid.
The key is play well with others
I’m not always a fan of his perspective but he knocked it out of the park on this one. Rock on 🤘
If this doesn't hit you like a freight train, you weren't paying attention.
I don’t think I’ve ever watched something that I haven’t been nodding my head yes while he speaks.
Everyone needs to understand this concept and strengthen their belief and understand the wisdom behind this.
Not put winning above everything at all time - beautifully said...
i think it's very important whether you win or lose but only as someone who doesn't mean it the same way, wins are great for all the obvious reasons, losses however are the greatest life lessons on the path of the hero
if one has the courage to seek wisdom in all trials they will know power
I have come to basically the same conclusion which is: Life is not a game to be won, but should be lived as an adventure in learning how to love and serve God, others and yourself.
The message I got from this is that life is a series of games, so as long as you are there to play the whole game, don't worry about the first one.
Damn I like this comment. thank you
He never said nor implied : “don’t worry about the first one”.
Your goal is not to win a competition with the opponent on the field; your goal is winning against the depravity inside seeking to produce a lesser version of yourself. Winning is to cultivate the character of your inner soul to always present the best version of yourself in all things..not just sports. The reason I chose the word best and not perfect is because "best" implies growth whereas perfect suggests being God which none of us can be. It's also important that you do not measure your best up against another's best which always leads to personal shame in the end. There is ALWAYS someone smarter, faster, and more talented ALWAYS. And If you don't believe that last point than you have no concept of humility in your worldview. Because, though you might be the best in the world at one thing means absolutley zero in the scope of a successful life, character, and love. I could have the highest IQ on the planet, but also be a menance to society. This is not success.
Comparing yourself with others rather than following your inner compass of growth will also make you quit things all the time. The mature person can lose battles but not quit overall. The immature who measures theirself by what he/she observes in everyone else will feel powerful when they outclass someone who is inferior to them, but likewise be driven to quit when that person comes along who outshines them.
Winning is to Always present the best version of yourself - Very well said
I really wish I heard those lectures when I was in grade 9
It does matter if you lose you are mocked and bullied
This is odd to mention but this makes me grateful I had watched McQueen sacrifice his win to help king after his crash.
This reminds me of Krishna's teaching to Arjuna on the battlefield, in the Bhagavad Gita, "You have right only to committing actions towards your prescribed duties, and never to the fruits of your actions ; Let not the fruits be the motive for your actions, neither let your attachment be to inaction."
Basically, what can be derived from that is : by observing how one plays games, you'll have some insight on how he's approching life as well.
Very interesting lecture grid.
It's about the friends you made on the way
This is a level of complication more likely to evolve in the child’s mind to giving up and quitting.
THXs Mr petterson for your share video 🙏💚💋👑👑
when you've lost the battle but you've won the war.
One of the sacrifices one have to make in order to be the absolute best at anything is your control of emotion when things doesn't go as planned.
Why is that?
Well, in order to surpass everyone around you, one need a drive and discipline that is beyond normal standard to become the absolute best.
One also need to be more competitive and more ruthless than the competition and team mates.
This means that your will to Win is so strong that when you fail at the finish line your reaction will inevitably break your mental and composure to some degree, making you burst out things you would normally not do.
If the goal is to only do your best, then one will Never be the best.
In order to reach excellence one must strive for perfection.
If you only strive for greatness you will only reach decent to good to average.
Reaching for the impossible is what makes people able to attain legendary status in any given domain.
Why the need to surpass everyone around you? You missed the whole message.
@Samuel Alley I believe OP is referring to high performance individuals who are striving for fame and glory in their professions. It is hardwired in these individuals to outperform their peers and strive for perfection. Kobe Bryant is a perfect example.
Nobody likes losing, because to some, the idea of losing to another person means weakness and invalidation of the self.
This is the difference between Khabib and Jon Jones, why people respect and admire Khabib but dislike Jones. Both are winners, one has great character and helps others, the other is an arrogant narcissist. Makes sense.
Spot on
It dosent matter if you lost something but it matter you lost yourself
I can’t stand losing. I fucking hate it. I have the mindset where if I lose I just suck straight up
There needs to be a balance winning is also important. The world market values people on how much they won in life at sports,education,family,etc.
This is the type of talking to we collectively as a society we should gravitate towards when it comes to parenting.
I like his comment on how we look deeper at our winners to not be narcissistic
I play netball, over 50's at City level. I play to win for the team. I'm goal attack and shooting is my strength. However, I will readily pass the ball to goal shooter if they're in a better position, if they haven't shot for a while, if it distracts the opposite team. I love everyone on my team and treat the opposition with competitive love. Sometimes I find it hard when others are purely self driven but that's where personal character training comes in. Thanks Jordan
I suck at basketball, but I will hopefully never forget when one of the players on my team passed the ball to me at the trials to be on the school team. After gaining possession I immediately fouled, but I hope I get to properly thank the person who gave me a chance in that moment
The development of character as a practice in ethics is desperately undervalued by our society (I hail from the UK). Imagine if more kids understood that their personal destiny would be enhanced not on their attainment of a sports scholarship, for example, but on the development of their moral character. Good begets good, in a life well lived. And by the way that isn't to say we shouldn't be ambitious, but if our goals are attainable and with social value then all the better.
Indeed agree with that; life is not a single gameplay. It's a series of championships; all it matters is how we play the game and, if we lose, how hard we practice back! 🚀
Importantly in the game of life, reciprocity should always be kept alive! 🌍 💯
You want to win. You just don’t want to be so attached to the outcome that you alienate everyone around you when you lose. There’s no loss. Only learning experiences.
Basically try and win but not at the expense of being unsportsmanlike is how it was explained to me
Winning is not everything. Wanting to win is .
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Challenge yourself with some ideas about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would like to see in the world.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own thoughts so that others can benefit from them as well.
All the best to you!
This is what the coach says to the losing team, the winning team’s speech is much much different. There’s also a better sports mantra you could quote; winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
damn I love this guy's speeches
I’m here after losing spelling bee to my enemy and she won
Exactly, I needed someone to explain to young men these life game..
That’s why I compare life to like seasons in football. We are all trying to make it to the playoffs and win but sometimes or most of the time we find ourselves rebuilding in the off season to get better.
GOLDEN LIFE ADVICE
This should be required “reading” actually watching, for every parent, coach, etc prior to allowing them to compete in all sports!
The wisest man on earth
He's right here, but he has some fucked opinions.
This sounds like the difference between a Finite and Infinite game, only scaled down to a human life.
In an infinite game, your _values_ matter more than your tactics because they're what keep you in the infinite game to begin with. They are what everyone will actually remember you for once the finite game ends and the next one begins.
It seems that Life consists of the interplay between competition and cooperation. Neither is more useful than the other, since both are necessary. Perhaps, finding a virtuous median may be a goal worth pursuing for our own, and the community's, wellbeing?
Right. Its just important my opponent loses.
Listening to this man's words in this and many other vids .
Iv Ben examining alot of shit in my life .
I appreciate this man's existence and makes men like me think and analyze deeper
Blessings to him 🤘🙏😔
I really agree with Joe Rogan here, his input made all the difference.
I dont really care about winning, just doing things to enjoy the moment,
Wise Jordan is wise
Ego Jinpachi would like a word with dr. Peterson
Thank you sir n thank u comments
Yes it is important. But your reactions to things and understandings are just as important. You must constantly work to be better,even if it's very slightly over time. It depends on what each person is comfortable with.
I don't know. If society has taught me anything the last 20 years, it is that it is more important to win and lose or at least be popular than it is to be objectively or morally right.
Truly a good man
Lol. “Jamie”
Whoops, I mean, “ like, are you, THEEEE, Jamieeee?”
Or Joe Rogan on some other, maybe Tim Pool, show: “don’t you guys have a Jamie?…”
I 100% agree with you., Doctor Peterson.
Joe be in listening stance
So, in a social environment, it is more beneficial for the self to not make all the moves and win the one game but rather developing reciprocity with others helps you win the most games during life, which in turn is also so you can win lol,
Survival is winning. Cash comes and goes.
Jbp is a legend🤟🤟🤟
"Fostering strong character is how you win in the long run." God if only that were true..
I think it actually sort-of is
It is, it's just annoying that he said it to be honest.
😄
Why it isn't?
It's not true. It's what we want to be true. It's what should be true.
@@Fran-rd1nl Ethical people are sacrificed by the weak and are elevated for it
Deep! Thank you!
Life is a collection of many different games.
So true!! Truth (honest noble character) matters and truth prevails.
"If you don't learn from losing the small games, you'll never be able to handle a championship game." Jordan Peterson. 😏
Think about Belichek/Brady in relation to what JP presents from :55 to 1:21 seconds into this video.
The point of a game is not to win, it's to have fun. It's just some games don't work unless everyone's trying to win.
What if you train and bust your ass everyday and lose. No one likes to work hard just to lose.
@@saucegodnas7318 Exactly
Do you agree? Articulates a great parallel in attitude & play as it relates to the development of character in sport/life
The last part…I’ve met tons of people who think they’re hot stuff because they win at a game, even if they have tons of followers and fans.
That’s why I think of people beyond just what they’re skilled at.
Joe Rogan is the GOAT 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
Very good clip
Very good
This could have been much simpler and shorter if he took D&D in place of any sport.
Having fun together is they key to *Everything*
He should be thinking along this line when he met cr7.
Germany agrees, being part of the whole fun is the most important thing, even if you lose in the end! Third time is a charm!
This is also how you become a good leader too.
The final 30 seconds or so actually reminded me of why I quit supporting Verstappen - his narcissistic winning mentality, incapability of being a team player whilst pushing off his teammate out of the race for runner up. Meanwhile many other racers who I hoped wouldn't win the races, I realize now, has "the manifestation of character that allows you to win across a set of games".
yes it fucking is
He's right. Back in school I had a good mate, who would always sneak a cheat. Playing tennis he'd always say your ball was his end and playfully cheat in ganlmes and cards, and laugh about it. But he was a good bloke Later he was married twice and devo,rsed twice.
Why this in my reccomended after watching herm edwards' "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"