More nerfs... Hanzo is doomed? (NEW SEASON 9 'HOTFIX' PATCH)
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- čas přidán 20. 02. 2024
- 8000+ hours of Hanzo experience, giving my thoughts on the new hotfix patch that just dropped and talking about why Hanzo is so bad.
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Hanzo needs Sonar arrow rework.
From now on, Sonar arrow not only shows enemies, but also shows their current HP for a limited time.
Hanzo players can use this arrow to search for their one shot able enemies before they shoot.
Or Storm arrow rework at least. Devs are making overwatch not overwatch. It’s underwatch.
Storm arrows are loaded when you damage enemies. 60 damage = 1 storm arrow loaded. So when you body shot an enemy, you get 2 storm arrows ready to be deployed. Storm arrow storage is max 5.
revert hanzo damage to 125
Facts that nobody says about editing videos... (It's the real pain) ☠️
@@user-mm1hx8ud9s so lets just farm the tanks with the storm arrow
Hanzo should pick up the sword again.
Lmao
Second this
Yes, and go cut the blizzard
He should just shoot swords instead of arrows
right
trying to kill mercy with Hanzo is like trying to find snow in Sudan
i kill mercy and lucio pretty ez with hanzo pretty often before nerf i havent played him that much but im pretty sure its not hard
@@iRaven-_-then they are trash at mercy and lucio
@@iRaven-_- i have been a hanzo main for quite a while and b4 the nerf it was juicy to hit those 1shot headshot kills but now with the bigger hit boxes, whenever mercy or lucio is above you and you aim for the head, its usually a body shot because a hand or gun or wing or SOMETHING will block the headshot. even if you do head shot them, with their movement abilities they prolly just passive heal the extra 50 health or get pocketed and you die after hitting another limp shot in hopes to kill them so you need like 5 arrows for a kill now 😭 (all of this is the console experience and 140ms ping games😢) but it sucks- just go cassidy 😭
i can't agree moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
That's the same experience on PC with gigabit Ethernet speeds. Hanzo is just fucked right now. I'm still managing to do decently with him, I even have a couple clips and streams on my channel.@@SgtBean999
These changes to Hanzo don't make sense without adding a new ability to his open key. They essentially made him worthless for no reason
They trade Hanzo's oneshot for accuracy, and now they remove the accuracy too??????????? I hate people who cry so much about how "Hanzo is OP" while the hero is C tier and B tier at best
cope
@@littlejacnub5249saltar
IKR!?
It's like Sombra. The character isn't necessarily S tier but reALLY annoying to play against
I don't know man, I rarely have problems playing against Hanzo because I know his ass is weak to people walking in open space and dive. People are peeking corners 24 hours fighting a Hanzo and complain getting one shotted is so ridicilous@@jaznlova
This video is explaining my hanzo experience in last week so precisely its scary...
hanzo was one of my go-to picks since og overwatch all the way back in 2016. always loved the different playstyles for him and catching enemies off guard. now doing anything other than spamming down main is worthless in most cases, and he just feels so unrewarding to play now :( really hopefully blizzard hears our cries and does something about how he plays now! i enjoyed the video very much as always, much love arrge ❤
Yeah I loved being able to flank. That shit was so satisfying.
same bro, which is why this season i have sadly for the first time since i wanna say 2019 had more play time in a diff dps that being tracer than hanzo.... its a sad time
Yeah they ruined him, sucks for us one tricks
I'm Hanzo main, I guess it's time to take a break from Overwatch until they revert the nerfs. Hanzo feels so unrewarding without one-shot headshots, he's just not worth playing rn. :'(
yes my guy , especially when you see echo or pharah + mercy you are fucking donezo,
unplayable
@@ducanhle2828Correct
I totally feel for you, Arrge. I love your content because it is so satisfying to watch you pop off from the goofy off angles that you pull and rooftop surfing. I think if the devs want to move in a direction where 1 shots are no longer a thing, that is fine, but you're right about the lack of consistency. Taking widowmaker out of the 1 shot category would be the final piece of the puzzle and then they could tweak the numbers on dive to reflect the fact that playing sniper isn't as strong anymore. The patches they made for season 9 are definitely interesting and I enjoy the idea they're going for, but it still needs some polish.
At this point, they need to re-introduce the Scatter arrow once again. Atleast then Hanzo could actually kill the enemy.
I can donate you scatter arrows if you want.
Only 150€/$ so i can buy crack 🤜🤛
i agree
honestly hanzo is so boring even when he’s good. They should add a few different special arrows with a new ability to cycle between them. Add some variety
Yessss pleaseee
@@jayisasalad bro is cooking
I'm completly ok with them making the hitbox as small as it used to be, BUT GIVE US THE ONE SHOT HEADSHOT BACK ON anything with 250 and under.
A projectile character with a downwards trajectory on their hits, meaning the farther the enemy, the slightly higher above their head you gotta aim, sometimes even strife left or right vs a headclicking oneshot hitscan with the ability to almost instantly rise to high ground for a headclick air shot, like come on now be serious Overwatch team, this is ridiculous.
I never really played Hanzo or Junkrat alot, mainly a support player, but I consume alot of content of other heroes across the board to learn about them so I can deal with their playstyles in game.
As a support player I fell in love with supporting Hanzos, if anyone pushed me, my Hanzo saved me and saving my Hanzo who went on a flank mission felt really fun to do. Now everyone wide peeks everything because 1 shots are diminished and Widow dominates the oneshot territory and gets range buffed. An entire issue with Widow before was that she could stand a mile off and just dome whoever she wanted while dive characters had to go on an epic journey to cross parts of the map just to try and fight her and maybe get rolled by either her or her teamates defending her. Not even dive tanks could properly get to her. Lucio is like the only one that reliably gets you to a Widow half the time on certain maps.
Honestly Hanzo might've been somewhat scary because of his oneshot potential but thanks to watching Hanzo content learning how to predict, re adjust and dodge Hanzos improved my gameplay as a support. I felt extremely good when I got to dodge that flanking Hanzo because Arrge showed how Hanzos move. It feels way more action packed to deal with a closer Hanzo who will pick angles rather than some Widow firing down range. Widow is oppressive as is her nature but Hanzo felt suppressive because he at least risked closer combat.
Also idk if any other support players out there have the same thing as me but I have favorite tanks and dps I enjoy supporting and Hanzo, Junkrat and Reins are my top favorites to play with lol. McCass is also one I enjoy playing with.
I wish every 'non-Hanzo player' was this open about learning how he works so they can evade him better instead of blind raging 🙏 "Know your enemy" guys
You’re a rare gem. If more people in all roles thought like you then the game would be fun to play with randoms more often than not
Going for crazy shots in quickplay isn’t fun anymore on hanzo, and forcing him in any rank above diamond feels terrible. The time to kill is so low that I subconsciously put hanzo in the “throwing character” category.
hanzo is literally unplayable now... so so so so soooooo sad... i honestly can't pick him anymore.. hopefully seeing a steep decline in his pick rate will encourage the devs to revert some of these nerfs. at least make his primary 125 again so he can 1 shot 250hp targets (or two-shot body-shot)
That's what happens if the dev team only hears the loudest crying voices...
Not playing Hanzo again until he becomes the skillful assassin sniper again, not playing fucking spam Hanzo ☠️☠️☠️
I don't necessarily hate the idea of no one shot, but hanzo needs significant changes if they don't want him to have one. There's no reason to be a slow firing, inconsistent damage hero who can't one-shot when soldier/sojourn do the same thing but with hitscan and rapid consistent fire.
Don't forget that they still move really fast when shooting and Sojourn has a small hitbox, meanwhile Hanzo is very slow while shooting and has a wider hitbox
It’s like they forget their past changes and philosophies for a hero
I was a ONLY Hanzo Player... but now i dont play him anymore. Wait i play Overwatch really Rare now, because Hanzo was the Coolest of All Heros... now He is There. Why Hanzo don't do 250 Damage with a Headshot?! This was better than this yet....
I played this game for years, I have climbed GM playing Hanzo and Mastering it's mechanics, the game feels so frustrating right now and I don't even want to play it anymore until further changes about his situation...Crazy how a single patch can destroy thousands of hours of efforts your have put into a character...
Hanzo and Genji have been getting shit on since the beginning of OW1.
I dont even expect them to think about a rework when people stop playing him.
They'd just keep Hanzo shitty and leave him forgotten in the dumpster with Genji, while continuing to buff undeserving characters like Junkrat...
because people suck at this game lol, junkrat is so op, especially when on defense on a lot of maps, op asf, and hanzo was a good counter, this game is revolving around the shitty players, instead of listening to the good ones
The fact that it's been said for years when people talked about hanzo, that you can't touch the one shot or the character doesn't provide. Yet they still did that very thing, and then further nerfed him when that clearly wasn't a problem. And reinstated almost every maps Widow oneshot sightlines RIGHT after changing the whole map of Junkertown first point to fix that... It just boggles my mind here. Like I like most of the changes the devs have been making and I think they're good and healthy. But in this specific category of one shots and snipers? They are doing an atrocious job.
yeah its kind of rough. Especially with heroes like sombra.
if i dont have storm, i just get deleted by sombra. even when I do I just have to hit every shot or gg.
its much harder to stay on hanzo now imo
Bro so glad you are saying it and it’s not just me. I was just thinking how am I getting same or more damage and not getting the elims? So frustrating!
I take the hanzo nerfs as a personal offense 💯
I was a hanzo main since season 2 thanks to a friend and I really felt a huge improvement in my skills and saw that I was getting better due to frequent headshots and dominating the lobby. And now, after these changes, I even stopped playing this game.
Dark Arrge's sojourn arc will begin soon
evil arrge be like hitscan streamers who don't say any words during a single stream
When Hanzo said “you were not the only thing I lost”, I understand him now
seeing like 20 headshots full charged and none killed is beyond crazy
why
Thank you so much for making this video! I've been having the hardest time with Hanzo this season and the new nerf has really made me feel less effective in game. If there's a rework coming, I hope it's soon!
yeah I hear you man, I've never played competitive before but i was training really hard with hanzo getting ready to play season 9 i was excited about it and then they made all these changes to hanzo, now im not even playing anymore, i really hope they change hanzo back the way he was before so i can come back to the game
Just play widow, her bullets are now half the radius of Hanzo's old arrows but they're hitscan and thus way easier to land and she can still one-shot. Set your scoped sensitivity modifier to the proper number for your aspect ratio(google it, I can't remember what they are) and she feels pretty good to play. Same goes for ashe and ana btw.
i miss my serotonin enducing headshot kill sound
I felt this too. Pressing tab was a mistake. I was 2 kills deep 6k dmg in one of my games. Getting the actual kill outside of 'E' is hard af right now. At some point in voice I said, " atleast I had good sonic arrows".
They should implement a extra step on charged shots for HK like, you charged fully and wait 0,5sec extra and the arrow deals 50 more damage
I agree. Hanzo doesnt feel like the same anymore. Its exteremly unsatisfying to play him now.
If the best Hanzo player on Overwatch is struggling with the new update, there is clearly an issue.
It doesn't even matter if by some miracle that the devs were right in thinking that Hanzo was "too strong for their taste". They killed what was FUN and rewarding about him
I feel like the only ability that could make him a little bit better would be one where he maybe shoots two or three arrows at the same time to where he can one shot but on a cooldown and if he kills the target he gets the ability back like genji
The 250 headshot on him needs to be brought back
Its so sad, they keep talking about one shot being bad yet so many characters unnececerally have one shots, its crazy how hanzo who is useless without picks is just left out... Rip Hanzo, we loves you.
Off topic but the jersey you wore in the start of this video looks great on you
It's interesting seeing ur perspective, I'm only gold but main hanzo. Sometimes I can get kills just cause the enemy isn't aware of me, but ANY support is impossible to kill easily or without using storm arrow, I find myself just going for assists cause I can't consistently kill or get picks anymore. I have a friend who also plays hanzo and we think it takes away all of the skill of hanzo, especially when 1v1ing widow, phara, or Sombra, now I either have to run or get lucky. And if I'm hacked I have to hit a headshot and another shot while poisoned... idk
Now arrge will rise again.
Requiring a mercy pocket to have a deserved value is ridiculous. I got a headshot on hanzo yesterday and that feedback is infuriating.
hanzo used to have so many different playstyle you could adopt. Now they have been reduced to 0
I don't play Hanzo and I feel the frustration of lucky oneshots, but at the same time it's just too much. The character that requires such skill to land shots consistently gets nerf that makes it not even worth to play him anymore. They should add some kind of mechanic that allows him to land oneshots, or just buff his damage on max pull and reduce the projectile size, this would be totally acceptable too.
Every head shot hit, a pang of depression is felt
I'm also sad about the changes i enjoyed playing hanzo and now it is, like you already said, like he lost his soul even more after the hotfix
Hanzo need 3 body shots to kill while cassidy can easily 2 shot with 1 headshot at least is just outrageous
damn i try to learn hanzo because of u 2 weeks befpre s9 and now i guess its not the best time to learn him ^^
We need some arrge flex content for season 9
It's wild that the mercy at 1:55 was less than a second off on that damage boost
Nobody:
DEI Overwatch: "Let's punish skilled players"
If they’re not going to bring a one-shot back in base weapon and not go sniper route with the character, I think elims will become a 2 step process like hog with Pig pen + hook.
Some Ideas:
Hitting enemies marked by sonar could add an increased damage by 30-50 damage.
NEW Ability: Flame bow, once every 8-15 seconds hanzo can fire 3 normal shots that do base damage + 20 burn damage per second for 3 seconds.
NEW Ability (Or right click): Long draw, hanzo tilts his bow vertically creating a zoom while aiming, and movement speed is decreased while aimed, damage is buffed during this state, able to one-shot
** If they really don’t want one shot in base gun, then maybe Base fire becomes something like storm arrow with 25-30 shots, and the ability’s can introduce precise one shots
some ideas 👍
at this point they will just give hanzo an AK47
Long draw actually sounds so sick
So convoluted for no reason when they could just move around blocks
The entire problem with Blizzard as a whole is that they keep introducing new pieces instead of rearranging the ones they already have
"So, as usual, we, Blizzard, fucked up. As compensation, we will be keeping two-thirds of the fuck-up. Our motto? One step forwards, two steps backwards!"
Maybe they can make hanzo instantly wind up an arrow if you hit a critical to make hs feel rewardingagain??? Also they should revert the wall climb tech where you can keep your bow charged while wall climbing.
Getting the Genji treatment
hanzo main here, been maining him since the scatter arrow days. i feel like there needs to be a decision to bring back some kind of concession. bring back the oneshot at close to medium-far ranges, flying targets.
i honestly hate these changes. i always have to hope someone follows up on my headshots like a random moira orb. like before that, hanzo couldnt one shot some squishys like torb or reaper which i was fine with, but now its more spam choke points and hope that someone isnt full hp. his one shot was what made him so good. if u make the projectile small again and keep the oneshot i would be so happy with that
Weird thing, got the idea from paladins and kinda put a spin on it. They have a character with a crossbow who does more damage after a roll, maybe he does more damage for the next shot after his dash. Gets rid of back to back headshots, unless like genji a kill resets dash, but maybe only final blows reset it. It will make spammy less valuable so you can’t just spam but have to dash and line up the next shot.
Or people effected by sonic arrow take more damage from Hanzo but make it to where you know when you’re in sonic. May make sonic better for getting space, but could be a think where people just avoid that area.
I think that hanzo needs the oneshot to be consistent. But i understand the intencion of the developers. This changes makes that i feel very sad, becouse i am a hanzo main. I think that the devs should leave hanzo like before, with a small hitbox and one shoot. That two charactes instead one have the one shot mecanic changes nothing
so hanzo got a 0.75 increase to his arrows while losing the ability to one shot, and widow got a 0.5 increase to her bullets while not losing the ability to one shot... why?
hanzo simply feels horrible to play at the moment but blizzard doesnt care because the hitscan players are a majority over hanzo players
maybe they could rework him similar to sojourn so that with successive hits he could do big boy hits, maybe draw 2 arrows at once? with slight spread over distance too which can nerf his long distance oneshotting potential of 2 arrows, but then it gives an interesting potential to hit 2 people at once.
I fully agree and yesterday I don't know how I played and landed 4 bodyshots on a reaper and even though there was no one healing him I still didn't unalive him
I’m a hanzo main and love to play this character and ever since then talking one shots away I haven’t found nearly new value to make it playable
I agree with everything this man says, it get so hard to play him in these higher ranks too. This season tho I'm mid diamond and referencing my CZcams I can still pop as hanzo. But when I was masters last season I was popping 10x harder. But I feel like when I vet masters this season I'm just not as good as arrge so I probably won't pop so hard any more. So sad
Hanzo getting the Genji treatment. Feels bad
It's literally still crazy how much we got fucked
It's so sad, I'm Hanzo main and im thinking about going for some other hero now because the high risk high reward is not there anymore for him ;(
Yeah i feel it with soljorn too
At what point did they nerf the "holding an arrow while climbing" thing? I remember being able to charge an arrow then climb up a wall and pop a guy in the head, but now when you climb the wall the arrow disappears and it just charges again.
I kinda feel this. I’m used to being a stealthy assassin and being able to use off angles to move a fight. Now I can’t it it’s fuckin w me and my gameplay… if this means he’s getting a rework down the line then that’s kinda cool… maybe have him have multiple special arrows like Hawkeye idk
if past seasons hanzo was a sleeping dragon, he's now a crippled, malnourished dragon in this season 😭
Hanzo should be the anti-Widow. Give Widow back her previous range, nerf Hanzo hitbox to S8 but give him reverse-falloff where he's more effective at longer ranges. That way Widow for mid-range, Hanzo for long-range.
Storm Arrow is shit, they can get rid of it for all I care. The only reason why he even had it to begin with was to break shields.
They should put Storm Arrows on a ressource meter so you can quickly burst out 1 Storm Arrow immediately after hitting a headshot.
I think the Hanzo changes are supose to fit in the no one-shots/larger fights kind of thing they wanted to do... but it is true that the Widow changes are a bit weird and unnecesary, based on the same reason as the Hanzo changes, in my opinion.
didnt realise yesterday that there was a hotfix and found myself playing mei instead of hanzo a lot more. even said in discord that hanzo just felt really ineffective. looks like im going to elave im on the bench and suggest everyone else does too, surely blizz is aaware of pickrates?
I am happy that they buffed widowmaker, but I am also sad that Hanzo got nerfed. I am playing both of those heroes for a long time, and now I am playing more Widowmaker and other hitscans + Junkrat sometimes and less hanzo. What they did to my boy...
I am really glad they did this tbh, I actually took a break from OW because they brought back logs, I only play Hanjo these days and it ain't fun with logs but that is me lol. I am very happy it's back. It'll be cool if they compensate Hanzo in another way in future, I just don't like big projectiles.
I just gave up on playing hanzo after the changes after I kept landing headshots on pharahs or mercys or other targets that are hard to hit and not getting a kill. Having way more success securing kills as cass/soldier.
Dear overwatch devs, respectfully make hanzo playable again
Turn storm arrow into a secondary fire toggle and bring back scatter arrow. That should help for now.
They better do a ton of adjusting to the old scatter arrow though because that skill was beyond broken lmfao
I started to play hanzo in season 7 and fell in love with his game play as I always love sniper character, but I preferred his style over widow’s. Widow to me felt as if I’d get lost in her scope so I stuck with hanzo and always did good on kills and always got play of the game, but now with this nerf, he feels so bad to play. I’ve only had one game that I did good in, and I wasn’t with a mercy, and every time I play him, I barely get any kills, just a bunch of damage. Doing a lot of damage still helps the team yeh, but it’s not like picking off those pesky dps characters hitting the supports with a good one shot. I think his one shot was fair, specifically because he’s meant to be a sniper character, someone who is looking to headshot people.
The reload time of his arrows is too long to get two or three good body shots and getting a good headshot now feels horrible it is honestly just an awful experience that I’m very upset with. I usually play support also, so I guess I’m sticking with them or learning sojourn better. I do wanna try and pick up widow now, because I miss my crazy shots, but I doubt it will ever feel the same.
I don't understand why the (no longer) 1-shot projectile dps is down worse than the 1-shot hitscan dps 💔
I think that is a huge point by itself! Just this point should bring Hanzo´s Oneshot back by its own..
IMO, if they don't want the one shot back, they should speed up the projectile to the fastest speed it ever was, back when hanzo rework was introduced iirc. That way you can hit that 2 shots easier.
The other "hotfix" would be increasing body shot damage to 125, and changing headshot multiplier from 2x to 1.99x.
It’s actually ridiculous tbh every game I used to get head shot pick on mercy’s and supports at the back now every time I hit the headshot they never die
I think Hanzo change is unacceptable. it feels more spammy now, even if i'm played only 40 hours. it still feels robotic, and being in my team back not trying to do something risky and interesting for my gameplay is kinda boring and sad.
I came back to overwatch to play venture. I’ve been playing a lot of hanzo. I had to youtube it to see if his one shots are gone or am I just tripping. This makes me sad. I really liked playing hanzo. I quit for a long time cuz well I sucked. Then I came across your channel, and decided to commit myself and got decently good. Like 50% hit rate (not headshot) down to 40% bob betweeen there in like deathmatch n stuff. Now I come back and I feel like I’m at a huge disadvantage because ppl aren’t dying and my aim still isn’t as good before i took my break. If he never gets 1shot again, he NEEDS soemthing in his kit to follow up to secure kills more easily or give him more utility to either make him harder to kill or help his team if you are removing lethality.
I am curious, do you think it’s reasonable as a casual player to invest into Hanzo under the Hope he gets buffed/reworked and said investment pays off?
I really enjoy playing sombra/venture/queen/hog/rammatra but Hanzo was like my dream char to get good with cuz he’s do damn cool.
Massacred my boi
OW2 Devs: "how can we fix our busted game?"
"Let's make headshots feel terrible alongside everything else. That should do it"
By removing headshots they remove the primary psychological stimulant of Hanzo.
I hit a mercy midair on the first game as hanzo in season 9 and from then on just have been playing any other DPS instead
My idea for a Hanzo buff would be a fall-off that allows oneshots in a specific range, 30m on example.
Or maybe... bow draw speed?
Honestly what were they thinking with these changes. Old Hanzo if I got headshot I was like "Dayuuuum nice shot" now I just go "For fuck sake I got hit by the polar express again"
I’ve been feeling this so heavily the last few games when I get a headshot and it isn’t a kill. It’s so unsatisfying and sad. Like there is no reward for accuracy anymore when spamming probs does more.
I’m truly hoping that this was just an initial hotfix and they have more planned for later that they just couldn’t get to (like mercy right now is simply terrible hahaha).
But if not… I’ll be a sad Hanzo main playing Widow to make myself feel better. 😭
Ex-phara main here. I never read hanzo's notes in the patch, but I did try him out while seeking a new main. I thought something was off because I just couldn't get headshot picks anymore, I thought I was fucking up though. You got me to realize what they did to him.... wow. Wtf.
I'm still more upset about losing proper flight on the flying character, but the sniper losing one-shot headshots???? Blizzard is on some weird shit these past few months... :c
he feels so bad rn..... the amount of shots that would have been kills b4 this patch for me is ENORMOUS and it feels SO BAD, instead of a killshot and your team giving you praise for the shot/kill, nobody knows you even landed the shot.....
I feel bad for you Arrge, he is your bread and butter, LITERALLY
Arrge, do you think that if they increased his projectile speed or reduced drop that would be acceptable? Draw speed?
And to clarify, oneshots for lower skill players feel really bad and frustrating when the perception/reality of skill-to-oneshot-ratio is 'low' because they just eat spam. Yeah, they shouldnt just walk into a hanzo, junk spam, widow sightline, but they do. And as cracked as you are it takes a totaly different skill then widdow does as people are used to dealing with 'snipers'. They just see the kill cam of the hanzo spamming a choke and its like 'wow learn to aim'.
to replace storm arrow.
how about giving him cresen moon shaped flying slash atrack?
I’m a casual player and played Hanzo for around 15 hr, but had to change hero because of the frustration it gave me not to kill by one shot never. Don’t meant to one shot every time but I think he needs a rework