The Doors Rehearsal House On Venice Beach In 1966
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2014
- Too many "Hard Core" fans have been searching for where The Doors lived and rehearsed their first songs in the summer of 1966. "Here She Be" Folks!!! This was really Ray and Dorothy's beach apartment for which they paid only $200.00!!! The other fellas could crash here when they wanted tho. Anyway, in this apartment, The Doors perfected "Light My Fire" among others of which appear in their first album. Most Blogs say that it was south of Washington. But that would be impossible because from the interior shot looking outside in the photo of The Doors which appears in "Door's Illustrated", the Old Venice Pier is to the left of them; which is to their South. Hence, if the Rehearsal studio were south of Washington then, QUITE OBVIOUSLY, the Venice Pier would be to The Doors right in said photo, or rather North of The Doors. Which is a roundabout way of sayin' that I do believe that I've settled a long standing dispute of where The Doors rehearsal studio was... One more thing, in John Densmore's autobiography, he said that the rehearsal studio was south of Washington. But after 49 years, one does get RUSTY, as it were.
This is what Ray says in his book; "Dorothy and I found the apartment of our dreams... Northstar and Speedway... The front yard was the sand of Venice Beach... We could rehearse on the beach! We could crank all that new Vox equipment and no one would be around to complain... We were five or six blocks north of the Marina Channel and everything was all spread out... It was all wood and glass and warm. What a creative environment."
This is the correct rehearsal location, not what is posted above: czcams.com/video/iuNjKQmHUsE/video.html
I don't believe this is the location of Ray and Dorothy's beach house with the stained glass "Mondrian" doorway. In his book, Light My Fire: My Life With The Doors, Ray says the house was on Northstar and Speedway (which is south of the Venice Pier). Of course, the area has changed dramatically in the intervening 54 years. It is much more built up with lots of modern condos. There is a photo of Jim, Ray, Robbie and John walking across the beach, towards the ocean, with the buildings behind them (clearly taken the same day the "stained glass doorway" photos were taken) - www.doorshistory.com/doors1966.html Please note the the photo is reversed! You will notice a pink building, behind them, in the background. That building still exists... have a look on google maps and zoom into to the corner of Northstar and Speedway. Ray also mentions in his book that there was a "praying mantis" oil pump to the south of the house (it can clearly be seen in the photo). Sadly the beach house no longer exists, replaced by one of those dull modern condos!
That House looks different from the Doors Photo. Clyde's Image looks more like a Modern Condo. $200.@Month was dirt cheap in 66 so the location had to be kinda remote I bet!
Watch the opening scene on the movie "Model Shop". It was filmed in 1967 and shows the house.
I don't know if you are right or wrong, but thanks for going to the trouble of searching and sharing these vids. Cheers!
Thank You for sharing your Video, and explanation of the beginning, the History; of the band The "Doors"
The negatives could have been reversed making the pier appear to be to the north or south.
U KNOW, I LOVE THE MUSIC,LYRICS, THEM!!!!!! GREAT/EPIC/ ICONIC BAND!!!!!! PLAYING UP IN HEAVEN....
Shame they got rid of the coloured glass from the doors - was funky!
Like ruining the Mona Lisa! 😥
Thanks for the video. That was awesome to see!
Clyde,
LOVE YOUR WORK & VIDS MAN !
Something's not adding up. The elongated windows from the famous photo are on the side of the house facing North toward a pier. The elongated windows on the building in this video are directly facing the ocean. Or so it appears. I'm apt to believe Densmore at this point since he was there.
I think (as has been stated by others on here) that the confusion arises from a photograph in a Doors book that had been reversed and showed the pier to the south. In actual fact, the pier was NORTH of where the guys were stood on the beach when photographed, which puts the beach house somewhere much further south down towards Speedway and Northstar area. For extra evidence; if you look at the correct photo, ie the one with the pier to the NORTH and zoom in, you can see the buttons on Ray's shirt are correct - ie on the right-hand side (for a man).
You are a wealth of knowledge. I love your videos. Keep it up
Thank you for that , they are one of the best Rock bands to this day, I play there music all the time, my son loves The End , I explained to him its about breaking up with your girl/boy friend, he thought something else , told him no way man , its not about ending your life, oh kids these days, cheers
THX AGAIN CLYDE!!! WOW...I WENT BY IT WHEN I WAS OUT THERE!!!! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!! DANG IT!
amazing! i was looking for this location several times on google maps since i see the doors movie and you find it thanks a lot man. viva mexico
I’m from Thunder Bay Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 was planning to make my way to California when this year I plan to do the doors tour location,getting back to the video it does look like the location thx for sharing
THANKS, CLYDE...
Thanks & God bless
I lived about 40 meters down the Ocean Front Walk in the 70’s and my band, The Groove Co. played at the Beach House on POP before it was completely gone. BTW Hinanos was the local dive on Washington.
cool I'll have to check it out and do my first ever selfy and capture some of that !
This is Jerry Leiber’s house, you know, the guy who wrote Jail House Rock etc. He lived there till he died in 2011. I think you got it wrong.
Maybe the negative was reversed which is why the pier looks to be north of the house.
Thank you!
This place should be preserved
What a great place to rehearse.
Thanks for posting and sharing your love for the Doors - they were truly one of a kind. I also respectfully disagree with your assessment of where they lived. In the photo of their rehearsal you can clearly see that it's South of Venice Pier and you can see P.O.P. pier further to the North, which was on the border of Venice and Santa Monica. The other thing that needs to be pointed out is that Ray's pad was actually in Marina Del Rey, not Venice. I've lived in Venice my whole life and Ray lived in what we call the Alphabet streets which start with Anchorage and progress through the alphabet as you go further south. Many of us used to surf Reef St. on the big winter swells and this is def. the Marina peninsula, not Venice.
He is actually correct. I took pictures in front of the same location. In 2002 while picking up bait at a bait & tackle shop in Lake Isabella, I ran into Ray Manzarek. His parents owned the shop. I talked to him briefly, showed videos of my kids, and told him about the locations I have visited. I told him I was confused on a few, he corrected me on one but said that was indeed their rehearsal home.
@Janel Corey Brian Wilson, of the beach boys didn't die in 83, I think you mean his brother, one of them died cant remember which one.
The pictures are obviously not reversed as some people say. You can see part of Ray's setup where the second keyboard over the primary keyboard is on the left as thousand of pictures and videos of their performances. There are other pictures of the same setup where the second keyboard is on the left. So, the pier is south of the house. This is what pictures are saying.
Another question is the multicolored doors. It seams to me they are on the right wall and not in the front wall. I looked the pictures again to make sure and my impression is the same than before, they are on the right wall.
$200.00 Those were the days, I wonder what it would have cost to purchase that house back in 1965
One could retire from just the profit from the Sale of that house in current day.
Thank you
Legendary
I think another giveaway is the fact it's being sold by sotheby's
I think the general location is correct when comparing to contemporaneous photos of the band on the beach and the fishing pier. However, how can you be sure the home in the vid is the actual structure? If your conclusion is based on the tall doors alone, (versus some other fact(s) that you haven't or aren't able to share due to privacy considerations for the homeowners), then I'm not sure I would agree as your vid shows very little of the home and no shots from the beach itself. You should do another vid showing a panoramic scene of the entire home and neighboring structures farther away on the beach, which then can be compared to the contemporaneous photos of the band from the same panoramic angle.***Lastly, what's interesting is that based on an application of Ray's from October 1966 (see the mild equator website), Ray listed his home address at 4419 Ocean Front, which based on Google maps is quite a ways south of the fishing pier. Perhaps this was a different residence he moved into after that summer in '66.
I looked at the picture of the doors standing on the sand outside with the stain glass windows. However, there was an actual window to the south... this house has no such window.
Clyde does this hold true still? Hope you are still on the hunt for Doors locations. Thanx
hello Guys.. I'm very Door Fan! will be in Venice in few Days..possible have the correct address of the rehearsal House of the Doors???
Hey Clyde I have to know if this the house??? I am huge fan of the doors
Been there. Knew John DeBella, who was friend in UCLA film school, took me.
Can you tell me lil more bout John Debella connection to the Doors?? Did he say this is the rehearsal home??
I thought I'd posted the answer of where Ray's beach house was in these comments but it seems to have been deleted. Ray's house was 4419 Oceanfront which according to modern maps is Marina Del Ray though when Ray wrote the address he put down Venice Beach. It's about a quarter to a half mile South of the Venice Peir.
That doesn't bring a location up in Google Maps. Was the house demolished?
@@worthwagers The old craftsman style beach house they played in was torn down and is now a condo complex. I recently downloaded the new Doors app and under the locations section claimed the address wass 1 Northstar which when I look up is pretty much the same spot as 4419 Oceanfront. I'm going in 2 weeks, going to take a look first hand....maybe grab a handful of sand!
@@chrisnicini834 Thanks!
Hey wow it was spared protected bi the circle!
I love this house but it's not the correct location, the Northstar and Speedway location is south of Washington and the sand still comes right up to the houses just as it did then with no vegetation. Also, The inside photos of the room do not match this photo, there are big windows beside the glass doors, and one is on the side. You might have been looking at a photo that was reversed making it look like the pier was to the left and south of them, but there are examples where the pier is correctly to the north of where they are standing.
Wonder if it's still there after it sold. What's the address? Thank you Clyde.
The rehearsal space that the doors had on the beach was taken down
If this is the place, it should be made known so as to preserve a significant historical building.
That's a Modern Condo not the Doors Summer House. There small remote House was torn down Years ago That's why you don't see it anymore.
clyde, try to get it registered as historic site
I love your enthusiasm and devotion however I think you’re wrong on this, in the pictures, the pier looks to be north of them.
Yeah Man !! This is a stretch that I've been to so many times
marina del Rey next was cool too...
If this isn't the house, where is it then?
woowww maaan
How did they afford 200 a month back then?
True or not, I luv Venice I feel his energy there every time I go there. I walked that peer once it was beautiful.
Struggling young musicians could live and rehearse on a beautiful beach
LA used to be a paradise
Why would Densmore lie? this is not the house.
Weather your right or wrong Let's face it you care that means a lot I Lived in LA for Three years 80 to 83 ,The one thing I'll say of all those places near the beach yes Ripoff prices no Question about it Some say Supply and Demand ,,NO Ripoff ,Over priced plan and Simple But That's Calif for you ,I lived in beach house up from this in 1980 to 83 ,One bedromm was 450 a month which was beyond belief ,especially now its at least 3000 a month I'm sure ,The doors spots I've visited rehearsal downtown as well and as far as LA Goes like Bay Area were I'm from its Way past its prime The Whisky was great nice to see to bad fire destroyed most if not all of inside areas in 1971 fire ,Check history of it ,but its a shame some of LA history has not been preserved especially The Canals in Venice they need repairs for sure ,
Sorry, but you're wrong here. I can prove it with historical photos. Maybe I'll make a video in response showing you. It was indeed south of Washington. The photo you're referring to has been flipped in a lot of versions, and the proof is on Ray's button-down shirt. The correct orientation of the photo shows the stool inside the beach house, in the foreground, on the left. If the stool is on the right, you're looking at a horizontally flipped photo, for some reason.
The reason their location can be proven with historical photos without a doubt, is the structures in the background, which I've identified, and seen in this photo:
jaced.com/blogpix/2013/doors-venice-1966-broad.jpg
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Goddamnit...this video made me think we had found the place...I was with a Doors tribute lead singer that had noticed this house on an earlier vacation, and we thought it was cosmic that it was the house in the video. Goddamnit
Nice photo man.
It should be Northstar and Speedway. Am I wrong ?
Yeah, you are correct in my opinion. Please see my 2nd post to Mr. Beck. Based on Google Earth view of 4419 Ocean Front, the beach house no longer exists. A street view of the address on Google maps only shows the Speedway side of the structure, which doesn't look anything like what you see in the contemporaneous photos of the beach house.
Can you send me 2nd post your talking about?? Like to see what you have to add to the reason why its not the house?
I'm not sure but on those rehearsal house pictures you could see the venice pier on the right with the mountain range in the background and a lighthouse or something like that. That would mean that the rehearsal house was south of washington blvd. Never been there. Just judging from photos and google maps...
www.reddit.com/r/OldSchoolCool/comments/7sqgci/the_doors_venice_beach_1966/
Let me know if you find more. I think your right and the structure seems to be angled slightly towards the light house.
We should ask Robby and John if this is the real house
Yep, unfortunately you are very wrong. The original rehearsal house with the coloured windows faced towards the north... not directly towards the beach as this video shows. And yes, in the original photos of the house with the Doors in it... a pier is NORTH of them... not south. Gotta check your facts buddy before you go claiming stuff!!
I agree that this ISN'T the beach house. The one the Doors used no longer exists. See my posts from a few years ago if you haven't already.
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Who has the stained glass windows 🤔🔦
That's not the house. It's long gone, replaced by condos.
Wrong...marina del rey local here...ur totally wrong and densmore is right...in the pic the pier is north of them not south...its actually in mdr mot venice
You’ve lived in la all off your life but you have a thick east coast accent
this is NOT The Doors rehearsal house....I’m from VENICE, circa ‘63....
their jam pad was on Northstar Street on the MDR Peninsula directly on the sand!!
If you go on streetview to the corner of Speedway and Northstar, was it where the beige coloured building is now (One Northstar)?
@@floydpitt7590
NO, but close....the house was directly on sand & the Venice Pier is north of the house, not south...
they stepped onto sand when they opened their main room’s colored glass doors....
I grew up on Speedway & Topsail St. Marina Del Rey/Venice....
you can find a photo of the house in Google Images: just type in “Images of The Doors Northstar St. Rehearsal Beach House”..that small cream-colored house is actually still there & looks exactly the same as it did in the 1970’s.
@@venice9405 Excellent! Thanks for that. - You were so lucky to grow up there and at that time, I reckon. I wish I had been around that area back then. I hear it has, or did, go downhill for a while, (can't be any worse than many parts of England now though).
@@floydpitt7590
Venice is now a violent homeless transient camp....I sure was blessed....
my dad built our house on the sand there in ‘61...we were surrounded by nothing but oil-wells...
my childhood growing up there was GOLDEN, PRICELESS, PURE JOY 🍄🌸✌️
@@venice9405 Just had a look at your old street. Seems very pleasant and clean.
After additional viewing of the those famous photos of the Doors', or Ray's, rehearsal house on Venice, it appears it was SOUTH of the Venice fishing pier and not north. Please view the photo at www.flickr.com/photos/justinetruant/5063705462/ However, I can see how one could become confused and think that the structure was NORTH of the pier, which you suggest in your video. See the photo at this link: www.thedoors.com/news/happy-earth-day-doors-7436 which gives the impression that it's south of the beach house but is simply a narrow shot of the band standing on the beach. As indicated in my prior comment, 4419 Ocean Front is SOUTH of the pier, which jibes with the 1st photo identified. Therefore, I would have to respectfully disagree with the conclusion in your video.
Only 13,000 a month today !!! 200 in 1966........... Now lets conduct a million dollar study or two... on homeless people !! Jesusssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss