How to get up on a sinker board | Small Wing Foil board
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- How to get up on a low volume - sinker board. Usually anything smaller than a 50 liter board might be considered a sinker board, depending on your weight. Getting up on a sinker board requires you to sink the board before getting going. While there are several techniques to get the job done, today Gwen shares his favorite technique so you can take your wing foiling to the next level. Hope this helps!
0:00 Intro
01:03 Skills required
01:32 On land technique
05:34 Onboard view Light Wind
07:51 Onboard view High Wind
10:08 Inspiration with Oskar Johansson
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This is by far the best sinker water start method I've seen!
So many people seem to be afraid of fully submerging their board. But that's where it is most stable. Now of course you are an excellent pumper, which makes it possible for you to not exhaust yourself getting on foil. Thanks for the instruction!
"If you go to the water in the morning, your day is just better" Well said, Oskar!
I've been devouring videos on how to foil and your channel is by far the best! Thank you!
Thank you Brandon! Enjoy the learning process! We appreciate you!
One of your best videos ever, if I could I would give a double thumbs up! Kind of ironic that of all topics Gwen had cover the one where “board” has to be pronounced so often 😁 Just kidding, love you guys! And Gwens skills are beyond real, just got off that beach start video..
Great video. I tried this method for the fist time yesterday. After a few tries I was able to stay squatting on the board and attempt getting up. Wasn't able to ride yet but I will keep at it till I get it. I just watched the video again after those first attempts and I saw a lot of things I was missing. Can't wait to give another go at it.
You got this friend!
Excellent video work. Seeing it from various angles is very useful. The microphone worked great. Very little wind noise.
Gwen is incredible!
Go on with this excellent boulot, Damien
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Can’t wait to try these techniques!
Enjoy and thank you!
great explanation!
Great video, thanks so much for that tutorial, I got my first small board, 54 liter, and just had my first session discovering how challenging getting up was. Watched some videos but not sure which method is best, going to try the one you showed but not sure if its the right one, thanks for the inspiration!
Thank you 🙏🙏
Brilliant. Just love your technique. Other videos ive seen are quite complicated on the balance front
Glad we can help! 🙏🙌
Good stuff!
Thank you!
Didn't know there were palm trees in Hood River! Kidding, great video.
Thank you we appreciate you!
Great video. I’ve been using the stink bug method with a 42L board after giving up with “your” method but I think the low crouch position might be the lightbulb moment for me, looking forward to trying again.
Yewww! Right on..
yo man,, thanks for the tuto
Thank you friend.
Hi Gwen, thanks for the low volume board start video. I am 94kg on a 58 litre board with a fanatic aero 1500 surf foil, using a naish 6m wind wing and your way of starting worked the easiest for me. Cheers
That’s awesome, glad we could help! 🙏🙌
Great video! As all your videos. Like it! ❤️
I tried this method many times but I need with my ~92kg and my 34L board a lot of wind to get up and foil.
With my Rodeo Start I need for the same board about 12 kts to get up and foil with much less effort.
Finally good to know that more and more people are trying Sinker Boards for Wingfoiling. ✌️🙂
Thank you for sharing friend!
Thanks for another great video, you make it look very easy. I still cant get my head round why everyone wants to get the smallest board possible ? What's the advantage of this. Does it come down to being more faster, quicker turning. I'm a windsurfer and its the same, everyone wants to go smaller, but its very hard to get going and gybe, it takes years to master, but a bigger board is more relaxed and easier and you don't fall in as often, unless you are very experienced.
Trend now is going bigger. Everyone wanted the smallest as its so nimble and light. Then when you crash the struggle to get back up is brutal! Now we are all running 55L, 60L as small boards so you can run smaller wings instead and always get going. Also making landing tricks easier. TRENDS!
@@DamienLeroyCZcams Thanks for explaining, makes sense. Cheers, Happy Surfing
Thank you for this great video, congrats 😎. I am 78 kg / 172 pounds, I am using a 75 lt. board at the moment and I can take off in 10 kts and jibe / tack ok. I am dreaming of a sinker board, as a second board for higher winds, I am looking at Cabrinha Autopilot 2022 - what size would you recommend? Many thanks and regards from Italy - please keep the good work !!!
Sorry for the delay! These are always hard questions not knowing someones skill but I would say a 40L-50L should work. I always look for more volume as it just gives you more ease in climbing to the surface. A longer board will also help like a 4'6 - 5'2. I hope that helps.
Hey Gwen! Great tutorial. Thanks! For me, after 15 or 20 times pumping to get on foil on light wind days I get fatigued. Any suggestions for on-shore strengthening exercises??
I would say anything interval, high intensity training would help big time, like CrossFit, or even running and cycling if you add some interval training into it. So you get used to intense efforts and get faster recovery between efforts like pumping is. - Gwen
Hi Glen, such a great video!! I am 87Kg and now on a 5.5x27 88l board. Thinking to go down but dont know if a) 80 liters much narrower 5.2x23 board or b) 70 liter or c) 58 liter. I dont jump, I like riding bumps, easy waves and downwinding open ocean swell, we have moving choppy water (Atlantic). And if you are in a shore break and need to go further in because of a low volume board to have deep water that might be complicated. SO maybe the 80l is the best option or should I go to 70 or even 58l, dont know if the benefits are so much more of the 70 and 58 vs the 80. 80l 5.2x23 vs 70l 5.0x22 58l 4.8x20. I am 50, in shape but looking also for comfort in my age. Thx a million
2 options that we would recommend, the PPC Soar Pro 73L wingfoilprocenter.com/products/ppc-soar-pro-board?variant=46298780205360
Or a bit more aggressive of a shape but would be a killer option to ride ocean swell, the 88L KT Dragonfly wingfoilprocenter.com/collections/light-wing-wing-foiling/products/kt-ginxu-dragonfly-downwind-foilboard
Great tutorial, thanks a lot!
When and why do you recommend a sinker over a 100l board for 80kg person? Should I try soon a little board even in light wind?
Michael, wait for a day when you have plenty of power. It will make it so much easier. After you have it somewhat dialed you can torture yourself in light wind.
It's more personal preference really! Its nice to have a small board for tricks. Down side is in lulls you may be sitting in the water more to get up than the 100L board.
This method seems the most simple and efficient! Thank you Gwen! Im 77 K or 170 lbs. and just tried my 4’2” 30 L prone and pump board, and it seemed like it just sunk way too deep when I first tried getting on it. (Couldn’t hold on to the handle of wing and board at same time to mount up. You only hold on to handle of leading edge for a second though just to get up right? Then you change if needed to hands on top of wing? I’m thinking that I probably need a 50 L prone board 4’6 or 4’8 to make it easier here in Miami. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks for everything Damien and Gwen!
Yes only hold both while you get ready to step on it, once you start sinking the board, only hold the wing. The 4’7” 51L Link board from Cabrinha could be a really good option for Florida for sure!
Damo, I notice you ride the small Lift prone boards, is there one you prefer for wing? I have the 4.0/28 as my kite board, I’m 77kg and am yet to try this winging. Do you feel that there is a point the volume is too small or is it more about losing the planing area in the underside of the board that is the limitation? It seems like there is a bunch of thought going into the underwater shapes of bigger boards whereas this is rarely mentioned in the blurb about small boards. In short, IYO is there a volume/surface area happy medium? Tom
Friend, I use the 4'4 44L board form LIFT and love it. As you get better you can run smaller boards but saying that the trend keeps going up in volume even myself as I can do all the tricks with more volume as the boards are getting smaller say 4'6 with 50-60L and so on! Making it easy to do the tricks and easier to ride in lighter conditions and make getting up easier. I would at 170 lbs, start with a 100L board it will make learning winging much easier if you start on a smaller board, it just will be more challenging and take longer for sure. Reason why most don't talk about smaller boards. Unless you live in a place that is blowing like 30-40MPH then you have power.
Hey guys, great video and instructions.
I've tried Stink-Bug, Rodeo, and Windsurf-Style waterstarts, but never
this technique.
I prefer the Rodeo technique over the Stink Bug, unless there's
enough wind for Windsurf-Style. Can't wait to try your technique to
see if it facilitates quicker standing & easier pumping than when kneeling.
Ha - if it doesn't have a name, perhaps we should start calling this technique the "Crouching Tiger"!
Best,
-Stuart
Thank you for sharing!
Hi guys, I have a question that I haven’t seen covered elsewhere: What is the most secure way to tether your wing & board on land between sessions? I have suffered one wing puncture and several close calls when my board/foil tips over onto my wing in high winds. Or, in one case in a lee, my wing was backwinded and flipped up directly toward the foil tip. Any advice would be appreciated. Perhaps the answer is to just separate your gear and secure your wing far from the foil. If there’s a technique that works, I’m sure this would make a valuable - if less than sexy - lesson for one of your videos. Thanks and please keep showing us what’s possibe, -Stuart
@@boardmaverick We have all had this and is a tricky one for sure. Safest can be fill your wing bag with sand and always attach the wing to the bag. You can set your board and foil below downwind so if it ever flaws over it can't hit the wing! :) Have a great weekend
Thanks 🙏 - now I can stop trying alternative ways of tethering them together and wondering if my wing is safe! BTW, (unrelated) my daughter is 20 months and so far she’s limited to dry-land (actually living room) training on my board. If she could, she would “like” your videos 🤣 Enjoy every moment ;)
Great work Gwen, just wondering how much you weigh? Coz that makes a big difference on what gear to use.
About 150-155 lbs
I am wanting to get into winging but also proning, I am 70 kg and was wondering how much do you weigh because I reckon anything over the 40 ish litre boards you were using might be too hard to duckdive when proning but would a 40 ish litre be realistic for me to wing. I might be able to duckdive a big board, never really tried anything that size when surfing
Learning to wing foil on a sinker board is not ideal, we can help you pick the right equipment for you, reach out to us through our shop: wingfoilprocenter.com
This video is just what I've been looking for, however, i do have a question - how easy is it to paddle a sinker board back to shore if the wind dies? The only reason i ask is that as an experienced 68kg winger who has had the last 2 years on a 55l board, I'm looking to drop to a 45l but worried about the ease of an unplanned swim back to shore!
It will be like paddling back on a surfboard. Always go out as far as you want to paddle back! A good note to always keep in mind if anything goes wrong.
Does the foil position on the board affect the start on the sinker board? I have not been able to get up on my 42lt f-one and 5m wing
When i manage to get it out of the water i am not able to pump the board well.
I have experience on the foil tow in, kiting and winging on a bigger board.
What do you suggest??
Sure does if the mast is too far back the foil will struggle to lift up! Too far forward and it will be jumping up! A sinker is tricky and needs to get up on the surface and start planing on the water then will foil. Its not easy! If you have heavy back foot you might want to move the mast forward. To me sounds like you can slide it forward. Should help..
If you can't gybe with a 100% success rate, you will probably get very tired! Impressive you can balance and speak in the chop!
Yep 100% it will be a lot of water starting if you are still crashing on gybes. :)
Great video! How much do you weight?
About 160 lbs
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thanks!! 🤙🤙
Hi guys, I'm new to wing foiling but on a budget. There is a local selling an older "2019" neilpryde glide surf size large foil kit barley seen the water. Could you learn to wing foil on this? It was a popular wing back a few years but are newer foils much easier to learn on? The wing is 1700-1800cm2 and I'm only 65kg (143lbs) thanks.
Andrew it can work for sure but there are better ones on the market now. It will need a little more wind. I hope that helps.
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thanks for your thoughts, think I'll look at axis or North sonar. Plenty of used gear available once I started looking
@@andrewjamez Make sure to do your research there is a lot of used gear for sure, but a lot of gear that will make learning a lot harder and longer. Have a great day!
Thanks for the video, how much lower than your body weight you can potentially go? I'm 70 kg and I have a 29lt surf foil board but haven't tried to wing foil it yet. I'm good level wingfoiler, should I try and is it worth it to go on a very small board? Thank you
The 29L board will work for you 100%. The smaller you go, the more power you will need to get up (more wind or bigger wing). Smaller boards like 29L are actually easier to keep under your feet. 50-60L for your weight is a tricky size because it's hard to keep under water, but it takes less power to get up.
@@DamienLeroyCZcams thanks for the reply!
@@vasilistsiaras9170 Happy to try and help..
44l, 10-12 kts, 800cm², Wing 5m², bravo. Quel est le poids du rider?
Environ 70kg
I’m 155lbs and trying to get my 32 l prone board up with 4.5 A wing in 12-25kts wind. Do u think it’s possible? I’ve spent three hard days trying. More can get board almost to surface, but it’s frustrating and very difficult haha
It’s definitely possible, just takes time to master, keep at it! 👊😁
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Jesus, 15 knots and on a sinker with a 4m wing?? I couldn’t even get on the foil on a 130L board with that. I’d have my 6 or 7M out for that light wind.
You will get it buddy takes time...
I mean… look at the guy! The bulk of his fat is entirely contained in his bones! 😮 if any !
Might as well just pump foil waterstart in deep water without the wing. I’d like to see that.