War with Iran? | Elica Le Bon | Just Asking Questions, Ep. 19
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- Elica Le Bon, an attorney and Iranian-American activist, talks about Iran's recent strike on Israel
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:23 Iran's Attack on Israel
01:17 Elica Le Bon's Viral Video: A Critique of Misinformation
02:40 The Power of Social Media in Shaping Narratives
07:25 The Role of Western Progressives in the Iran Narrative
09:33 The Impact of Social Media on Iranian Activism
19:26 The Reality of Living Under the Islamic Republic
33:13 The Double-Edged Sword of Social Media
34:52 The Impact of Social Media on the Next Generation
35:35 Unpacking Historical Misinformation
36:09 The Consumption Habits of Social Media Content
37:05 The Influence of Social Media on Younger Generations
37:36 Platform-Specific Concerns and Their Impact
38:44 Social Media's Reach and Influence in Iran
40:52 Debating the Houthis and Media Representation
50:50 Addressing Western Intervention and Its Consequences
01:01:03 Final Thoughts on U.S. Foreign Policy and Personal Responsibility
Is war with Iran coming?
Last Saturday, Iran launched hundreds of armed drones and missiles to attack Israel in retaliation for an airstrike on an Iranian consulate in Syria that killed seven members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, including a general. Israel and the U.S. report that they intercepted most of the drones, and the sole known casualty was a 7-year-old girl critically injured by falling missile shrapnel. Israel has not retaliated…yet.
In the wake of all that, today's guest had something to say about the way some American activists loudly defended the Islamic Republic of Iran after staying conspicuously silent during protests against the regime and crackdowns that began almost two years ago.
That was Elica Le Bon, a first-generation Iranian immigrant born in the U.K. and currently living in Los Angeles, where she practices law and runs several large social media accounts that bring attention to the plight of the Iranian people. On the latest episode of Just Asking Questions, she talked to Reason's Zach Weissmueller and Liz Wolfe about the Iranian attack, the state of the protest movement and how social media has affected it, and her recent televised exchange with Dave Smith.
She is so intelligent and is making us Iranians proud. Thank you for being our voice.
I love all American Iranian people ❤
I cannot support the current Iranian regime it’s sad
We had a friend in the Shah, and then the state turned towards total religion.
If Iran, was a true Parliamentary democracy, like the UK, or any other country in Europe, it will be ace 👍🏼
With limited government and a separation of church and state
No she isn’t. She’s just a stooge carrying water for war and sanctions that hurt our people. Cut this silly shit out.
@@Anon-on1cw By Our people are you talking about the same people who are getting killed by the regime when voice their discontent with the regime? You have no idea what you are talking about. How does it feel to have the same talking points as the Islamic Republic?
Anyone here old enough to remember the antiwar left? I miss them.
The college kids who spat on returning soldiers who were drafted to serve in Vietnam
It's foolish to be anti war per se. It depends upon the war and why. Some wars are not only just but obligatory.
@@bromeotorres6964 that was a specific minority, all anti-war people don't spit on soldiers. In fact most military people ARE anti-war. Nice disinfo though
There was never an anti-war left, at least not over the last 30 years. They were anti Bush in the early 2000s and when Obama came around they immediately got behind him with drone strikes and red lines.
I am pretty sure there was an antiwar left for precisely the length of the Vietnam War. I am not old enough to remember that. Since then, they have been more than happy to start illegal wars right alongside Republicans. The difference is, they call their wars, "humanitarian efforts". War and government go hand in hand. The easiest way to get and keep power is to talk about how "those guys over there" are making everything awful and, "only I have the power/intelligence/moral fortitude to stop them!"
Elica Le Bon is an incredible activist and a true hero for humanity.
What I would like to add here is that during the last protest, more than 20,000 young people who had protested for their freedoms were arrested and are still locked up and awaiting their fate in fear. if they are lucky they will be released. and if they are not lucky they are hanged and after this the bodies are not handed over to the family because the regime does not want to show what they have done to the prisoners (rape and torture) the bodies are buried in an unknown place (you can see the feel the pain of those families who cannot mourn their loved ones). When the young people are shot dead, the government goes to the protestors' families and asks them for money for the bullet they used to shoot their loved one. the reason that people do not dare to protest is that this devilish regime has invested so much money to stay in power, including many followers in plain clothes, cameras and riot police who not only beat but also arrest and you don't know what happens to the Protestants. I hope that our King Reza Pahlavi will return to Iran soon so that the Iranian people can live in peace. 🌹🫅🌹💚🦁🤍☀️❤️🌹🍀✌️🍀
It's honestly interesting to see people call back for monarchy. I am completely ignorant on the subject, but from what I managed to gather, it seems like he was really loved, and actually cared deeply for his people.
The current Iranian regime is horrible, but most Iranians I've come across were great people. You guys deserve better, and I wish you are freed from the current hellish regime. Much love from Israel.
@@khaledassaf6356 love Israelis from Iran and thanks for your support.
we should not lose hope for a good future for the friendship between Iran and Israel.
if the Israelis stop celebrating the Iranian genocide in the Purim festival.
if Israelis stops the apartheid system like South Africa.
if Israelis let the Palestinians to return to their homes occupied by settlers.
everything will be solved at once and Israelis and Iranians will be able to be friends even tomorrow.
@@khaledassaf6356 This was the case in Oman as well with Sultan Qaboos. In the 70's he exiled his father (with British support) and started a wide range of infrastructure modernization projects. He set up a cabinet and even allowed women to participate in government. He was greatly admired by his subjects.
Thank you Elica Le Bon, you are absolutely brilliant! It was great to listen to you and learn more about Iran's fight for freedom. Hope the day of liberation is near. Life on planet will be better, when Iran and Israel join hands.
love Israelis from Iran and thanks for your support.
we should not lose our hope for a good future for friendship between Iran and Israel.
if the Israelis stop celebrating the Iranian genocide in the Purim festival.
if Israelis stops the apartheid system like South Africa.
if Israelis let the Palestinians to return to their homes occupied by settlers.
everything will be solved at once and "life on planet will be better, when Iran and Israel join hands".
I think your honesty wss a bit scary for the West to listen too. Thank you for being so brave
#Saveworldfromsharia #Savewomen#savechildren#savechildbride#...
The free world needs to free the Iranian people from their radical leadership and let them live free!
No.
Not my fight.
So just because Iranian women have to wear hijabs Iran can't respond to Israel obvious provocation? Weissmuller pulls up Iran's Amnesty International page, but would he do the same for Israel? Le Bon makes the dumb argument that we need to support American imperialism to stop Iranian so-called imperialism. Regime change did not lead to long-term peace in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
What about Saudi Arabia et al?
@@crhu319why no?
Thanks Elica for being the voice for the voiceless! Bravo! 👏
Elica is brilliant!
Elica thank you for being the voice of Iranian people. They need help to fight the dictatorship of Islamic Republic
Botox barbie is not our voice.
I don't judge people based on their appearance! I listen to what they say and support them if they speak the truth
Elica is a Hero
Sadly these 2 interviewing her are themselves Brain washed by the media & the Iranian regime, Hamas & Hesbollah.
@@MM-dm4xjelica is one of the most impressive thought leaders in the world.
@@AnAn-yn7yd replace impressive with hypocritical and I agree
I would like to see Elica on Patrick Bet David both Iranian so much in common.
Patrick Iranian American now Elica Iranian British now in America. She so smart and pretty she could be PBD daughter.❤
As an Iranian I think, your question regarding the enrichment is interesting. Enrichment should not be the point of measurement. The research on enrichment is more important. You could enrich uranium faster if you have the knowledge to make better centrifuges and the knowledge to make bomb. That is not measured and that is what the Islamic Republic was doing all along and it has always been unchecked.
Also regarding the sanctions, when US removes the sanctions partially it makes people think there is going to be new future and they invest on what they have with the regime (Because they have to live somehow) and when you put the sanctions back again you deprive them of their investment and they go more bankrupt than if they were under sanctions all along. This behavior with sanctions has made it worse. Either go in all the way seriously for a short period of time (5 years) or don't do it at all.
I do pray that Iran does not press into war.
I'm watching your pod from IRAN w vpn , totally agree with Elica , ,
ppl here calling Crown prince to get back Royal family to lead the country .. but Carter team in white house don't wan't dat ...
much love all
Thanks Zach. Thanks Liz. Great work!
God bless you Elica talking on the behalf of suppressed Iranians 👍
Insightful!
❤ @ReasonTV - Alex, Scotland
59:00 “doesn’t this (sanctions) hurt willing buyers and sellers?” “Sanctions tend to fall on the population, right?”
Is Reason’s position just, too bad for the Iranian people, they can continue living under the current regime? And that temporary sanctions to remove the regime would hurt the people, so they can just suffer indefinitely?
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I didn t know you Elica, but now, I must say, you got a new fan on me!
Excellent .
Elica is amazing. she has a much much more in-depth knowledge of what is going on Iran but sometimes she falls short as first gen.
Regarding the Narrative Zach mentioned about Mosadegh, it is a typical disinfo that left has repeated over and over and alot of people in the West believe it and then feel guilty about it.
Iran was not a thriving democracy before him and he was never democraticlly elected. In fact non of the PMs were elected by the people but appointed by the Shah. Shah invited him to form a government to manage nationalization of oil and then due to all the unnecessary tensions he created both interallly and externally, plus trying to push the monarchy to the corner, he decided to dismiss per his constitutional rights. Mosadegh dismissed the order and declared a republic. At that time the US helped the Shah to enforce his right and dismiss Mosadegh by force.
The dancing made my heart sing!
Elica your'e an amazin articulate intelligent beautiful young woman. Much love from Israel.
Elica Le Bon such a voice of sanity
Agree with Elica
Note the role of the Quom Marjeya, Abol-Ghasem Kashani and a young Khomeini in overthrowing Mohammad Mosaddegh.
Mossaddegh was appointed by the Shah and confirmed by the Majlis. Mossaddegh was deeply unpopular in Iran and interfered in the 1952 election because the anti Mossaddegh politicians were sweeping the election.
The Shah was more popular and legitimate than Mossaddegh in 1953.
Under the Shah Iran's economy grew very fast in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s and was on the verge of becoming a global superpower and one of the world's 5 largest economies.
Elica, thank you for being the voice of Iranians!❤
Yemen had a deeply complex multisided civil war with many foreign countries deeply involved. Including Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE and much of the sunni world. The characterizations of Yemen discussed are misleading.
Elica is well informed and brave. To know how a government works, see how they treat the women.
@ReasonTV why did you delete my comment??
It's YT that deletes comments, more so recently.
may be somebody from Iran could clarify something for me. there are a lot of videos about Iran in 2024, and a lot of women don't cover their head, and i am talking about video in subway , markets, streets . is that a fake videos ?
I am Iranian. No it’s real the women do this out of protest but they still get harassed by the islamic authorities randomly. The youth has nothing to lose anymore. The economy is horrible and life conditions are worser than ever. The sanctions hit the innocent civilians but not the islamic republic. They get their money from the West to fund their ideology.
No, they do it, but they risk a lot doing it.
_flyingaxblade _*_minds_* that you haven't seen his meme about the porcupine "flattening the roadkill curve"
the blinking.... i can't
Lol
I noticed it too. Then I noticed all three blinking an inordinate amount smh.
...but then the girl in the middles smile brings me back in again.
no offense Wolf gal, protests are protests
I miss the anti-war left. But not as much as I miss women without lip fillers and other cosmetic surgeries.
Wait--are you trying to say you like Liz Wolfe?
;-)
Agreed. I can't stand lip fillers
Lip fillers seemingly are always overdone. It's like getting a small amount is just not allowed or something
She's beautiful but her lips, which literally look like a duck, make her look kind of cartoonish.
@@macsnafu Nope, she is a fauxbertarian, (like Reason in general) also she has a resting-frown face.
like the truth. She is so brave.
Lie was right about Dave and why is she not able to talk more
it is unknown if Iran will stay one country after this government will fall there is separatist in every reign that look for independent and disconnect themselves from the central government in Tehran the Arabs in Ahwaz the azars the Baluchi's the Kurds it might they cant assemble government that satisfied the interest of all political party's and the country will be split
Statists are alwas going to justify the means by the ends.
Don't worry Israrl knows where to hit. Tgey value life and they love Iranian people. We Iranian people love Israel. 💙💙🤍🤍🇮🇱🇮🇱💙💙🤍🤍🇮🇱🇮🇱🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸♥️♥️♥️
Internal policy doesn’t negate a nation-state’s right to defend itself though? Like the concept of Westphalian sovereignty doesn’t go out the window just because they’re assholes
@Begeye-bh5ux cool dude, then you’re talking about something completely different then what this video is about
@Begeye-bh5ux by bringing up something completely different from the topic of this video? It also doesn’t negate my comment at all; universally applying your reasoning to international relations justifies aggression against any meddling power.
"I'm just here asking questions!" - czcams.com/video/6nDOpG2x58M/video.htmlsi=rYUIGq1mRjrhUucJ&t=191
Gotta get them a central bank 😂🎉
Elica Le Bon is Ridiculous:))))
THIS CHANNEL HAS ALMOST A MILLION SUBS BUT ONLY HAS ONE VIDEO IN THE LAST MONTH ABOVE 100K VIEWS. HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS IS A PROBLEM?
START MAKING CONTENT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT TO WATCH!!!
Her attacking the Iran deal is absurd, it was a great agreement, was working, and made the world less safe leaving it.
The Iranian people opposed the deal. What would you tell the Iranian people who overwhelmingly want to overthrow Khamenei?
Is the guest having an allergic reaction? She seems swollen.
Kinda looking like the U.S. leaving the Iran Deal was a very poor decision… which many repercussions… of which many other countries will now be looking for MORE help from us. (Which we’ll give because we want our Dollar to remain the most stable global currency…)
I don't think so. The JCPOA was a terrible deal, which massively subsidized Iran's terror and regime, enabled them to escape an internal revolution and since Biden and his foolishness has brought the regime to within weeks of going nuclear. Under the best case the Iran nuke deal only kicked the can down the road. Iran has to be dealt with, that is the problem, which likely means a kinetic move or regime change.
Zach's either not super bright or just way out of his depth when talking about geopolitics and foreign policy. He doesn't seem to understand context, either historical, geographical or political. He's not alone, but so many people's wrongheaded views, largely borne out of unrecognized ignorance, are doing terrible harm. Sorry to say, but if jihadism isn't fought militarily, it will continue to spread, take territories and countries and attack the West. If Russia isn't stopped militarily, it will continie invading sovereign nations and support terrorist and other nefarious proxy wars. It's not complicated.
Dave was definitely better than mis bon
She put plastic in her lips.
Is she a mulim? Does she believe in the quarn
No. We the majority of Iranians have no faith in islam. We respect muslims but it’s not our faith and it’s arabic culture and it’s not even our language. We are the first secular state that turned into a Sharia State and we can tell you that is a horrible system for a society, culture and economy. Plus it creates alot of corruption, violence and oppression.
@@ArthurMorgan-ux9jj The Religion has nothing to do with the Arab Culture, what are you talking about?
The majority of Muslims are non-Arab. The largest Islamic majority country is a non-Arab country.
"We can tell you it's a horrible system for a society"
What do you know? When Islam ruled in true Sharia, they had a golden age in the Middle East all the way up to Al-Andalus ( Spain )
The way Iran runs today is on a hybrid system and they are Shia, they don't follow the Sunnah. Their tactics and what they do is heavily influenced by being surrounded by a country that wants them gone since they've come into power, you can't ignore that reality.
@@Iammram islam in its origin wants to destroy any free society on the planet and considers anyone that is not a muslim, a kaffir and enemy of the entity called allah. Allah is an evil entity which is created by warlord mo. Who was super wealthy. He wasn’t humble as he claimed to be. This is all made up in the book to sound good. Let’s bot fortget the people he beheaded. Umar the butcher spread islam throughout warfare in the Middle East. Let’s not forget about that. Those were the ages of the empires. Every nation wanted to conquer and establish their culture in those countries. I know you’re a believer and you first reaction is denial but study more. The world existed long before islam.
@@Iammram we will never accept islamic leadership. Look at every islamic country. All gone to sh due to poverty, oppression and corruption because of islamists. Everything is haram because some caveman said so: If you haven’t live in a sharia state like we have you should keep your mouth closed .
@@Iammram A golden age. Sure. That's why the Spanish were happy to kick them out and reclaim their country.
These imperialist "libertarians" can't get 10k views 😂😂😂
Your gaggle of narrative defenders destroyed a healthy channel. You think Ron Paul would've been wrong on covid, Ukraine, and the middle east?
I'm not saying she works for Mossad, but if she did she wouldn't need to change her stance at all
So, Iran is fine right?
@@thomassenbart the Ayatollah's regime is definitely repressive and disgusting but she certainly sounds like she wants the US to intervene, and US interventions since Korea have mostly just made the life of ordinary citizens in countries where they intervene much worse and in places like Iraq, Libya and Vietnam the consequences were horrific.
@@elamstoltzfus1422 I did not hear her say anything about US intervention. However, if we want to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power, regime change or kinetic intervention are the only alternatives.
I disagree about US interventions since Korea. The losses incurred by regimes opposed to the US have been high but I don't care since they were enemies of the USA and those are the consequences. I don't waste any tears for them. At the same time in Kuwait, Kosovo, Bosnia, Afghanistan, while we were there, for the Kurds and Swamp Sunni in Iraq are all much better due to US interventions. Vietnam is also thriving currently since they abandoned economic communism. Libya was overwhelmingly a European intervention, not a US one. We only provided a bit of logistical support and not much else. Also, in Iraq, no longer governed by Sadaam and his sons, who killed at least 500,000 of their own citizens, saying life is worse now is also difficult to sustain objectively.
@@elamstoltzfus1422 Wrong. Vietnam had potential but the US didn't have stomach for a longer war there. Other places were absolute cesspits even before US intervention.
@@utility00 what ??? 😳😬 do you know anything about Vietnam or do you always spout Republican propaganda horsecrap ?
BOOK OF GENESIS:
"And the angel of God said to her, You have conceived and given birth to a son, and you called his name ISHMAEL, for GOD has heard your plight, and he will be a SAVAGE MAN, his hand is in everything and the hands of everything is in him,
and before all his brothers he will dwell." Arabi Arabi
Iran has a right to defend itself (i.e., retaliate) regardless of how much Elica conflates Iran's despicable domestic politics with its consulate/embassy being bombed by a foreign aggressor. If she wants to blame Oct. 7 on Iran or any other such atrocity, I am totally open to her bringing actionable evidence in front of a court of law. Until then, my "Instagram school of law" degree says that they are innocent until proven guilty on the narrow point. But, if/when they are found guilty in some kangaroo court (since we know they will bring the thinnest and most circumstantial of evidence) that nonetheless happens to draw the correct conclusion (indeed, I have very little doubt that Iran is in fact involved), we can also then bring similar charges on just as shaky of evidence against the US for having done the exact same thing many times over.
To reiterate: Iran's domestic politics is one big, fat red herring which deserves its own just prosecution on its own terms that are nonetheless completely separate from Israel's illegal air strike.
I mean, Elica is LITERALLY just "saying anything" to distract from the issue at hand. I don't care if what she says is true. We already KNOW the truth of Iranian politics. Unfortunately, it is not a relevant retort to the correct statement that Iran has the right to defend itself.
Did she just say it's "racist"? 🤣
Perhaps you should live in Iran for a while. I am sure you will like them.
Oh, so that means, as Argentina concluded in a court of law, Iran is responsible for the bombing of a Jewish community center as well as other community buildings in a terror attack? It was concluded in a court of law.
Similarly, Iranian terror funding has several rulings in the US and Europe, resulting in seizing of assets and liabilities.
There's a level of unawareness that comes from something so obvious that it doesn't have to be proven, and then someone thinks they're clever by going "where's the proof", when it's a single Google search away. Hell, just look up the seized weapons shipments to Hezbollah- or just listen to Nasrallah, who openly speaks about how Iran is their spiritual leader and funder. None of this is hidden. If you actually look, you'll immediately find it.
Elica is all bombast and misdirection, sorry.
Where was the misdirection? Not siding with Hamas?
@@bromeotorres6964 No, why jump to that conclusion?
@@RcCapozzi What did she say that was so misdirected?
@@bromeotorres6964 I've watched her 2x, and I definitely heard a lot of bombast. But I did not hear a cogent line of argument, and when that happens, I move along. It's simply not worth my time to listen to hysterics.
@@RcCapozzi Ok I'll try one more time. What did she say in particular that you don't agree with? Sounds like you are just discrediting her while offering zero argument or alternatives to any of the points she was making.
Elica le bon got destroyed by Dave smith
No, he didn't. He's just to dumb to understand what was she talking about. Also, he probably doesn't even know that the so called freedom fighters - "the Houthis" were massively supported by Iran, that also bears a lot of responsibility for what happened in Yemen. But he is blaming just the KSA. Why? Because it's Western supported country.
@@utility00 houtis are supported by Iran and what? America supported the mujahadin in Afghanistan to fight the soviet union? Iran didn't create Houthis and even warned them not to take over Yemen. Dave smith gave historical facts and elica was just spouting Israeli propaganda
Let's be real, this Elica has her agenda regarding the Iranian regime, which is fine, but instead of just focusing on that she has been a mouth piece for the Israelis and made unsubstantiated claims regarding their 'right' to the land, and how Jews were treated in their home countries in north Africa and the Middle East. The western media has gravitated to her because she is a 'brown girl' supporting western ideals, in a time when those ideals are now killing tens of thousands and displacing millions in a matter of months. There was always a spot for a well spoken brown person that supports the west in western media to derail Arab empowerment, she has simply, and sadly filled in that role.
If you think that Israel only existed starting in 1948, then you are ignoring thousands of years of history. As for Arab empowerment, I don't see much in Islam worth empowering. Islamic nations tend to become the oppressive theocracy that most people find abhorrent.
@@johnvahl762 I don't even know where to begin with this racist comment. I don't recall suggesting having 'Islamic nations' to help empower Arab and African counties. But you know what does help these countries? Leaving them the fuck alone! As for Israel, there may have been a kingdom somewhere around there a couple of thousand years ago, but there hasn't been for millennia, but, what you are more than likely doing by making that comment is ignoring thousands of years of Jewish history and their strong tie to Arab and North African for THOUSANDS of years, which was only broken in the past 75 years when the west and their ideology of colonialism and theft invaded those regions, something which this girl, Elica, lied about when she previously posted and made out as if all the Jews left purely through antisemitic persecution, which is actually a specialty of the European-Christians NOT the Arabs.
Her agenda is to be against the Iranian regime, like the vast majority of Iranians. What's the confusion?
@@Blindmonkey69I think you are naive.
How would you stop islamists from harming liberal good muslims.
@@johnvahl762 this comment is crazy racist, and the fact that CZcams removed my original comment but not your racially provocative message is insane and shows where things are currently. What are you basing you accusation on Muslim countries on? Because if you want to play that games then you could also label Christian counties as "abhorrent", warmongering, thieving, aggressive and cruel based on the history of western European and northern American countries and likewise for Judaism given Israel's human rights records and their ongoing massacre of innocent imprisoned people. Speaking of which, I am definitely not ignoring 'thousands of years of history', in fact, it is Israel that actively ignore thousands of years of history by denying the existence of Palestine and Palestinian culture, and for you to defend that makes you suspect.
ELICA OOH LA LAAA.............
Regarding the impact of short form content czcams.com/video/Z8sIh2PCXUI/video.html
"libertarian" ReasonTV giving a platform to a zionist is hilarous
How are the vast majority of Iranians "zionists" ?
Do you support the one state solution? Is it the Iranian people's job to orchestrate a one state solution?
@@AnAn-yn7yd ? you may need to read my comment again. Idk where you got “vast majority” from.
My comment says “a zionist” as in a single individual.
@@bryson8918 Elica is reprentative of a lot of Iranian people.
Note that 1948 to 1979 Iran was one of Israel's best friend's. There is a lot of love between Iranians and Israelis that goes way back.
Being pro Israeli by definition means being pro Palestinian and visa versa.
Palestinians and Israelis are closer than twin sisters. Do not try to get between them.
@@AnAn-yn7yd what's with the strawman? you're refuting points I never made.
Nothing you've stated contradicts my claim regarding her. She's a zionist.
What are you on about?
@@bryson8918 what is a zionist? Anyone who supports a two state solution?