EXCLUSIVE: New Titleist TSR 2023 drivers (Rick Shiels reacts)
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Are you a fan of Titleist drivers?
Never tried one (unfortunately)
Nope never liked them always been a Taylormade fan but I will say the stealth doesn't look great this year the callaway max ls looks mint
I've just got my first set of clubs secondhand and the driver is a dtr 1 and it's unused ,old school like me ,can't think why I waited till I was 66 to take up golf ,here goes a quiet retirement 😉
I bag the 917D2. the only complaint I have is the size of the head. it is enormous. the D3 isn't sized less enough for me to change, so I'm sticking with it. My partners mainly use TM drivers, and I must say the sound from those bombers are better. no "tink", but THUD. All things considered, the golf equipment is way too expensive for the product you are getting. I'll wager that most am's could do just as well with the old school sized drivers. It's not the arrow, but the indian.
I'm a Titleist fanboy. My very first big purchase as a youth was a set of 981 irons from my club when I was 15. Saved up from working at the club all year for them. Titleist has held a special place ever since.
Absolutely love the 2 year cycle over the yearly cycle with every product out there. Gives us more time to use the best product without feeling like something newer is out there, but also gives them more time to research and work on the product to make it even better and noticeably different.
I've always found Titleist have superior build quality, not always been a massive fan of some the irons, but driver, fairway, hybrid, build quality is outstanding in comparison to all others, difficult to put into words, they just feel well made, and cosmetically they look good for longer, (if that makes sense)
Nothing beats the classic looks in a classy game. IMO.
Have you hit the Titleist CB’s/MB’s? Nothing out there even close, possibly Mizuno, or Callaway Apex Pro, but nothing else. I am a 30 year Plus handicap, so I am a little biased towards forged clubs.
I play the original TS3 driver. It’s now almost 5 years old. I appreciate that I can go from that to the new TSR3 and only positive changes happen. There’s rarely any offset changes or anything that looks differently on the club. The sound really will be the only noticeable change from an aesthetic standpoint. I appreciate Titleist’s consistency in both timing and club making.
My driver is from the 60's and shits all over these clubs, it's real golf not some cartoon metal crap
Also 2 years in between drivers makes it more likely for a average golfer to buy a new driver.
For example let’s say I bought a sim2 last year, no way in hell my wife would be down with me spending $600+ on a stealth.
Why on earth would you tell your wife? The beauty about golf clubs is that wives generally have no idea what you have so it’s easy to change without them noticing.
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@@davem7798 my thoughts exactly. So long as you aren't jeopardizing the family finances why the heck does it matter. Do they ask us when they get their hair cut, dyed, and styled every 6 weeks for $300+? This whole my wife won't let me is weak.
@@ww-oo7ic $600 is your wife going to the hair salon 2-3 times. My hair cut costs $30. I'm putting my savings into my golf game. I'll be bald soon so my barber expenses will be down to $0 soon. 😅
@@ukhawaja every 6 weeks yes. that is way more than 1 $600 driver every year. but I'm bald as well so I'm at $0 :)
I love my TSi3 driver. I had a TS3 before that. I got them about 1/4 into the cycle. Still confident that my driver will last for years to come.
Love my TSI 1 driver, fairway wood very forgiving, long and great looking, also Titleist clubs don’t date like other brands and the two year cycle makes sense, a no gimmick company just quality for all handicaps.
PING is the same way.
Exactly
Im a Mizuno fanboy but my other two favorite companies are Titleist and Ping. I just love the way those 3 companies operate and the understated way they pump out great products without shouting about it. Between those 3 companies you can build the perfect golf bag.
Titleist woods, Mizuno Irons, Ping Putter = perfect bag 😂
A 2 year cycle should be the industry standard in my opinion 🤔
The problem is when a product flops. For example the Sim was awesome, Sim2 was abject failure from a performance standpoint.
In some cases the products are largely unchanged other than an aesthetic, if there’s a substantial change in design between generations, have at it. We as consumers can then choose if those changes are worth the investment. I typically keep my drivers 4-5 years. My TSi3 3-wood replaced a 3 wood I had in bag for 8 years. My 5 wood is 4 years old and no plans to replace it since it’s only in the bag infrequently, swapped out for 3 iron depends upon course
Zalatoris and Cam Smith are using Titleist players too! And Zalatoris has the best cumulative score through all Majors this year so far.
Unbelievable drivers and it's good to see people getting really excited about a Titleist build once again. Can't wait to see full review Rick keep it up love the content.
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I’ve a 913 D3 driver that I bought in 2014. I’ve put it up against every new Titleist driver on trackman including the TSi3 and the numbers are STILL better! Manufacturers hit the limits of what they can do (due to rules) years ago!!
Agreed.
I might try the TSr or even the tsi3 this year after also having my 915d3 8.5 degree
#1 rule for a company is to keep your customers happy, having the best quality driver for 2 years is great, them being open about future drops is great, high quality products is great. They seem to be right on track to dominate the game.
The two year product cycle is the way to go!
Love my TSi3. Upgraded to that from a 905R I picked up in 2007. I guess I’ll be due for an upgrade in 2040 🤣
Love that, maybe 2045-50
I like the 2 year cycle.
I like the idea of every 2 years seems like every year is just about making money
Haven't really tried many Titleist drivers, but man these look really cool. Really like the aesthetic.
I have just come back to golf after not playing for 10 years. I was struggling with drivers I bought. So I decided to get a fitting. I full thought I would walk out with a Taylormade stealth. But though out the fitting I tried all the big names. I told my fitter I didn't like the odd shape of the new drivers. I.e. taylormade,callaway and cobra. He reached back and pulled a tsi3 out. I instantly loved the shape and I smashed the crap out of it. Love at first sight. Plus the performance the best for me. Instantly ordered a trs3 from titleist that day. I cannot wait to get it in my hands.
I’m still gaming the original ts2 and absolutely love it, best driver I have ever owned and so forgiving
I’m bagging the TS2 Driver, 3W and 2H…I absolutely love them
currently gaming an original TS2, still a beast of driver. Cant wait to test the TSR2 though
I’m still on my 915D2 and I am probably going to go to the TSR line when they come out. I am certainly not a “get the newest driver” guy, but I also don’t want tech passing me by miles, so I like the 2 year cycle Titleist goes with. Honestly have no issues with my 915 though
In the exact same boat. Have had my 915D3 for a while but finally noticing the pop leaving it. Excited to try them out in a few months
915 was amazing driver. 917 was a fail. You might see a bit if a jump from 915 and the TSI Lines
@@bryanromey8168 yeah I swung the 917 when it came out and it felt like a dud compared to the 915 so I’ve just been patiently waiting lol.
My club carries Titleist so I’m excited for the TSR to show up and try it out.
@@connoranthony1663 yeah, I’ve noticed the sound has actually changed on mine, wondering if the face is getting weak.
@@connoranthony1663 with that said, it’s performance isn’t different, just the sound, so it could be my ears too
I game a Ping G400, bought it second hand last year, and I still hit the ball further than 99% of the members at my club. I respect Titleist and Ping much more than other manufacturers that release a new driver every year.
Is it time for another 5 year test comparing all the drivers released in the last 5 years?? I’d love to see a comparison in yards gained for high/middle/low handicappers and see if there is more benefit for high vs low.
I love my TSi2. Love the idea that you can enjoy your clubs longer as a newer model
I dont know why everyone acts so surprised that titelist is the winningest driver on tour. Titleist dont need ridiculous marketing and in you face gimmicks. Its just class and performance period.
I am a Titleist guy for life and YES, I like that it's on a 2 year cycle. If I want to get the newest I do, if not, I can wait as long as I am still hitting my current model great. Love the show, thanks gents. Rick, since you are da man, can you get me a TSR driver ASAP?? Much appreciated. If anyone from Titleist is reading this or watching, please send me the newest driver. I will pay of course.
I got a TS2 in the bag .. would be interested in the TSr2 or maybe go to a TSi2 or TSi3 when prices drop haha
Love my TSi2, would take a significant bump in the TSr2 to upgrade
Have the ping 425 slt. Love it. First time buying a new driver but never crossed my mind when buying it if it would be replaced in a year or two years. From watching your reviews it's clear to see that there isn't massive improvements year on year anyway
Can’t wait to see one of these in Rick’s hands to capture how pure it goes with in to out closed face hooks.
Titleist are going to have to come up with a MIRACLE driver to get me out of my TSi4.
Love the TSI4. It's a beast! Players driver for sure...
The US Amateur Champion from last year, James Piott used the TSI3 I believe for his win at Oakmont CC. Also the newly crowned British Amateur Champion also used a TSI model for his win last week. A lot of amateurs and pros use the Titleist drivers. The TSI models were great. Cant wait to see what the TSR line brings to the table!
I’ve got my Ping G425 Max, and I love it. Knowing it’s the latest version is nice, but more importantly, it makes you think Ping regard it as cutting edge for that 2 yr period also.
Dear Rick...thanks for all your great work...
I realize I'm in the minority but club head size is important to me. My 915D3 is 440cc versus the D2 version being 460cc. The TSi lineup is all 460cc except the 4 which is 425cc. I'm not good enough for the 4 but I despise the look of a 460cc head. I really hope Titleist brings back the 440cc size head.
Anything new every 12 months shows more interest in the shareholder than the customer so ultimately is a bad thing. A friend of mine still plays with the M2 Driver (2016) and it is no shorter than anything more ‘up to date’.
Those are gorgeous drivers
Completely agree I think it should be every 3 years because there isn’t a radical (no pun) difference in drivers isn’t significant
As long as the USGA and R&A imposed COR limits and driver sizes it will be the same old same old not just for Titleist, but for all the OEMs. They're just reinventing the wheel.
I only go off of the head to head experiments with robotic swinging. The data from properly designed experiments are the only thing that matters. Everything else is hearsay and snake oil in my opinion.
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Got a TSR1 and LOVE it. Longer and straighter then all other drivers that I have tried.
Surprised to hear Rick say they are the best looking Titleist driver in 10 years. Maybe I haven't looked close enough at these new drivers but they look almost the same as the TSi drivers. I think the TSi's look amazing as do these. But I am not seeing a ton of difference
Went from Stealth driver to TSR2. Gained more ball speed and hitting more fairways. Did the same with G425 to TSR2 3 wood.... same results. Just as forgiving as Ping but more distance. Imo... highly recommend
I still use and love my Taylormade R1 driver, but recently tried a Callaway Rogue. For some reason I kept hooking it, then realised that the R1 requires a 'stronger' grip, whilst the Rogue is more forgiving in a more 'neutral' grip. They wouldn't let me try the Stealth, unless I committed to buy...
Have to admit that I don't really care about the frequency that drivers are released as I only change when I feel the need - between 5 and 10 years. Usually closer to the latter.
I wish all manufacturers followed Titleist's method of releasing clubs every other year. Adjustability wise Callaway and Titleist do it right. I'd love it if everyone made it so the shaft and grip didn't move when adjusting your driver.
I love the 2 year cycle.. Whenever I see the one year cycles, it reminds me of Call Of Duty & Apple’s iPhones 😂 nothing really changes from model to model!
If one of the testers wins the travelers it will be insta sold out
I do think I have enjoyed my Ping G425 driver more because it's still the newest Ping driver on the market. I was really down when after I bought my Taylormade M6 driver and it was outdated in less than 6 months.
I just bought a TSi2 two weeks ago. Should have waited but it fit me best of all the brands I tried. Hopefully the changes in the TSR will not be as drastic and I will still feel mine is current. Bummer.
Basically I was able to adjust the TSi2 to take away my left miss with my old Taylormade M2. I was able to flatten it out. And it was longer than the Ping, same distance as my old TaylorMade and better dispersion for my inside swing than the Stealth, Rogue or Cobra!
I’m nearly 67 but still avg 265-270! Not bad for an old guy! Makes me competitive with the young guys playing my proper tees!
I wonder of this driver will get Cantley out of his TS3?
Seriously can't wait for a review on these drivers. Tsr2 looks/sounds like it will be in my bag
Early in the video;
Rick: Titleist is the winningest driver on the LPGA Tour…oh, and on the PGA Tour.
Towards the end of the video;
Rick: Is this the era that Titleist makes a comeback?
Pretty sure you already answered that in the beginning.
TSR to TSi: "we are same same, same same, but diiiffferent, BUT STILL SAME"
I played taylormade drivers for years. When the new TSi drivers came out I was in for a wedge fitting and asked to try the driver while there. I ended up walking out with a new TSi3 because of the feel and performance over my taylormade.
Currently in a TSi3. The TSi2 shape bothered me somewhat although I could use some of the forgiveness, that said the TSi3 is probably the most forgiving “3” series driver Titleist has ever made. TSr2 has me interested. I love that Titleist has kept their design aesthetic clean over the years. Integral part of the brand.
I’ve been checking CZcams every 2 hours waiting for your video on them haha
I’m using TSi3, best Titleist driver since the 910 D3. Feels like an updated version of the 910. Don’t plan to upgrade to anything for at least another couple years. I typically use drivers for 3-4 years before I upgrade.
Whatever is new doesn't concern me. I swing at about 115mph with a slight draw bias total distance is roughly 310-320 range. I don't notice a big difference from year to year within the same model lines
Still using my 913 driver and 5 wood, and also the TS2 hybrid. My mates gave me a ping 425 max driver use them a couple of times but switch back to the 913. Thinking of buying the tsi 3 but after seeing the tsr gonna wait for them for sure.
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I don't normally get too excited about new driver releases.. This driver looks.. and sounds unreal, I might have a look at getting one of these fit and in the bag. The sound...... SO GOOD!
I switched from a Ping G400Max (originally bought just off the shelf) to a fitted TSi2 a year ago. Initially i lost about 5 % distance but gained more control and hit more fairways. Now that distance has gone up also and am getting more out of it than the G400Max. If the TSR's are even better, then i'll will surely go and test them :-)
63 yrs old and playing with HCP of 22 , my Titleist D2 915 (2015) driver 12°, shortened to 44.5" still works great as my trusted fairway-finder, giving me 180-200 yards of a clubhead-speed below (!) 80 mph. So, in my case it's not the arrow, but the old indian (me).
Ping G425 LST user and I like the 2 year refresh strategy as well
I can see the logic of releasing the most pro-friendly submodels of a driver first, and then the more amateur friendly submodels after - because the pro drivers have had the extensive testing and tweaking at that point - but if I were the marketing manager, I'd definitely put that in all the materials I provided to retailers. I.E. "we're releasing the models 2 and 3 right now, we'll have a model 1 and 4 coming out soon, so people who are interested in their characteristics should wait for those." because it not only reduces the resentment that would come from buying an almost right driver shortly before the right driver is released - it actually gives the customers the feeling the brand CARES that you not make that bad purchase.
and as a few others have said, yes, the recreational player or casual competitor should not feel they need to purchase a new driver every time a new driver comes out. wait a few cycles between replacing your driver. the hardcore pros can afford to pay a lot for a little improvement. the rest of us can benefit from having small improvements come out every year, so when we do buy, we have the best available at the time. but even then, a 2 year release cycle is just fine.
My TS13 with that helicopter face still looks brand new. Probably won't jump on this TSR right away unless it's more than the difference between TS and TSi..
Still gaming the TS3 3 wood. Didn't realize it was 4 years old until just now.
I have several drivers right now, addicting sometimes lol my main stick is a Titleist 917D2, and my backup is the Cobra Speedzone. As much as I love the Cobra, I am more consistent and have better results with the Titleist. I have a TS2 3wood but it is a backup to my Taylormade M2 fairway, though I have no hesitation in swapping those if I feel the urge. Not a huge difference in any area, in my opinion, just the comfort I get from the TM keeps it in my bag.
Not really looking for another driver, but if I were, the fact that it is not obsolete after six months is a huge bonus point, keeps Titleist and Ping at the top of the list to start. I have a left handed Callaway XHot that I really like, but I cannot even find a left handed adapter anymore so that experience leads me away from Callaway.
I went for a driver fitting where they have you hit your current driver and then they just start handing you drivers to hit. They group the results and show you which club you hit the best. I was hoping for the new Ping. I had hit a buddies, I loved the look and the sound and the feel. Ive always liked TaylorMade. My last 3 drivers were Cobra. Never had a Callaway, but damn the cool kids got the jailbreak technology. Titleist never once crossed my mind. I was STUNNED when the only driver I hit longer than my FSpeed was the TSi2. And it was straighter! It may just be my favorite driver I've ever played. Absolutely the most forgiving. But if I wouldve been just buying off the rack, I wouldnt have considered it for a second.
I have a TS3 in the bag. It was a game changer for me forgiveness and distance wise for me. I'm a big fan.
Think it being the current for 2 years is important especially when you can wait months for a custom fit club getting delivered
I bought an m3 in September 2018 and it was three generations old by January 2020 (m5, sim)I’m going back to titleist even if I lose a yard or two !
I think if someone needs to get new clubs every year, they need more lessons not more clubs.
I brought the TSI3 a couple of months ago, knowing full well a new driver was coming out this year thinking I wouldn’t mind… changed me mind, i want the TSR already! 😂
wish more companies took this approach better for everyone
2 year cycles and aesthetics that don’t deviate too much from the previous generation was a big plus when I bought my Mizunos and now, while shopping for woods. Going through a fitting, spending a lot of money on Taylormade or Ping and in a few months you’re not only outdated already, but have clubs that look dated too. Could you imagine just getting Sim2’s at full retail and shortly the Stealth come around…
Mate where is the review? Rick is The Godfather of golf equipment reviews what’s goin on?
Play the TSI3 right now and it’s the best driver I have ever owned.
Love the Titleist wood products. The heads have a great shape, they are solid performers in comparison to TM, Callaway, and Ping. What sets them apart is the adjustability of the hosel that Titleist incorporates.
Still rocking SRIXON Z585 the last of its kind, a glued hosel non adjustable driver over $300
No need for a driver upgrade for me for another two years.
Gotta hand to Titleist they're probably the few non luxury brand that still do classic driver looks all of its competitor all went high tech looks.
Yes, I just in the last week sold off my Stealth Plus and went back to TSI3 because of all the structural issues with Stealth. 04/19/24.
Much prefer the 2-year cycle. Not because it mean you have a current driver for longer - but because there really is only miniscule differences year-on-year.
Martin Borgmeier explained it really well - since the CT (trampoline effect) is restricted to a level which cannot be exceeded, all manufacturers can do is improve forgiveness. Yes some play around with weighting to reduce spin etc.. But overall it's all about making those off-centre hits better.
Give them more time to research and test and maybe the next release will be even better!
I've been a loyalist since the 975d
I've cheated a couple times with Callaway or TaylorMade and recently Cobra but never for long. I always find my way back to Titleist and wonder why I ever even think about any other drivers. This last affair I had with a Cobra RAD lasted all of two months before I went and sold it and bought a TSi3
I am!! My TS2 arrives tomorrow:):):) Love the classic look and the length and accuracy.
Two year cycle is also easier for smaller course pro shops and retailers. PS. Absolutely LOVE my new PING G425. 20 yards longer than the Cobra Rad speed.
can't wait to find one second hand in 10 years.
This has me thinking someone should start a club leasing company, so you can always upgrade every 2 years. Basically exactly like a car leasing
Three out of the four majors won using Titleist drivers. Cameron Smith using the TSR-2 to win the Open. How many par 4’s did he drive in the final round? Looks and sounds fantastic.
Currently donning the TSi 3 and absolutely love it. The R line looks very very similar but I know it’ll bug me having the old model. Think I’ll stick it on the Christmas list. Great content guys, keep it up 👍🏼
I just love Titleist Drivers still love the 905 T Driver an often pull out to play. I’ve moved away from Titleist Drivers as I have heard they are just not as forgiving as Callaway and Ping - Love the look of Titleist though and they certainly are cosmetically the best drivers out there - Can’t wait for your testing report
Love the feeling and performance that the TSi2 gives, but the sound….such a turn off. Hope the TSR has a more attractive sound
The 2 year cycle gets confused by people when talking about certain manufacturers especially Callaway. Their driver also have a 2 year cycle but they have 2 lines a movable weight model and a fixed weight model that are replaced after 2 years in alternate years so people make the mistake that they replace their driver every year. I've got an Epic speed that is still current that came out 2021 replacing the Epic flash launched in 2019 and will be replaced in 2023 their newest driver launched 2022, The Rogue ST replaced the previous Mavrik launched in 2020
just my 2 cents. played 1 round so far, perfect driver. very forgiving off toe misses, which is my miss. feels fantastic and low spin and hot, but not too low spin to be unplayable. And the 1k tensei shaft is amazing stock option.
Thinking I’ll upgrade from my ts3 to this tsr 3 👀
Once I find the clubs I like and work for me, I keep for ages. The improvements of new clubs are so marginal that a mid handicapper won’t notice an improvement. Lessons and practice makes a much larger effect on ball striking and scores.
I just got my fitted Tsi3 a few months ago and love it. No desire to "upgrade".
2 years refresh is definitely more appropriate 👍🏻
I love seeing the "what's in the bag" after a tournament. Lots of times they aren't actually playing the newest and "best". Even the pros go with what fits their game best over the newest.
I’ve stuck with Ping, currently the G425 which is by far the best driver I’ve ever used, never been interested in Titleist but I do like the 2 year gap like ping have, however in reality I’m ok with the G425 for the next 5-6 years as not much changes in that time
It is bad how fast drivers come out so I think it's great they do one every 2 years. I got cobra SZ and the radspeed came out 4 months later. What's worse with drivers though is how long they take to arrive after a fitting! Currently waited 5 weeks for my callaway and still not arrived. I think I've had sofas off DFS faster
The head is kind of irrelevant now, cor/ dimensions dictate distance. They can improve MOI marginally with each release but ultimately its the correct shaft/ ball combination that gives the greater benefits.
Couldn’t care less about Release cycles I am still rocking my Callaway X2 Hot Pro driver which i got of eBay for 100€ like 3ish years ago. Looks absolutely gorgeous and performs as expected.
Your poor, admit it, you cant compare that to a TS driver...
@@marcellmonroe5727 well I didn’t compare anything to a TS Driver in my original post. However if you are interested in my opinion: first both COR and MOI in a driver head are regulated since years, meaning there are legal limits on these factors that cannot be exceeded by any manufacturer or the driver would be illegal for play. Secondly there is a whole bunch of videos from Rick Shiels, Mark Crossfield and James Robinson, to name a few that I consider quality content you tubers, which demonstrate that driver performance over the last 10 years is stagnant. So I am reasonably confident that my driver performs similar to any other driver currently on the market or being released in the future, until equipment regulations change. That being said the X2 Hot Pro is a 440cc head, so I am probably missing out compared to any 460cc head on MOI, but I quite like the look of it.