@@billieboybuddha4238 its worth a look: @What_The_Vlog Daria Kasatkina, a Russian WTA player (currently # 11) talks about tennis, shows behind the scenes action and talks to other players
Yes to all; esp the lack of big names. I don’t see an elite player wanting a camera crew around them for the length of time that it would take to cover a season. Their focus is on their games
@@paulczerner3286 You’re right. But the crowds are not about them, either. I watch challenger events all the time (along with the handful of spectators) so I get the fact that theirs is not a life of glitz and glamour. I also admire them for sticking with it but that’s a different concept altogether. I’d def watch that but it’s not what they’re marketing here. That’s my point.
In the United States, tennis could benefit from improved marketing strategies. This factor may have contributed to the less successful launch of Break Point.
Disagree completely with "no star power" and tennis being a "star-driven sport." This approach to marketing tennis is fundamentally flawed and really hurts the sport. True fans of sport can get huge entertainment value -- often more so than "star" matches -- from watching first round competition between players ranked 100+. Those matches are critically important to both players and often are more close and competitive. It's all in how it is framed and presented. Agree that the canned/scripted commentary in Season 2 was awful. So was the editing and score representation -- did the editors even understand how tennis works? Yeah it was a year behind, but I really enjoyed watching Season 1 (covering 2022) as 2023 was getting under way, because it reminded me of some great moments, but it also caught me up on a lot of story lines and details I had missed. Season 2 definitely was too self-aware and self-promoting. Almost felt like it was put together by a completely different crew. Season 1 was great in many ways, but I particularly liked getting a close look at how Swiatek and her team operate, along with the Jabeur, Kyrgios and Tomljanovic threads. Uncanny that she was Serena's final U.S. Open loss! Overall Season 1 was excellent; Season 2 had a half-baked quality that bounced around too much in time and overlooked some of the best stories. The best part about Season 2 for me was the Zverev rehab and comeback (I had no idea he was such a driven, serious guy), although they should have included something about the domestic violence. I also liked seeing Rune's dynamic with his mom. FAA being coached by Uncle Toni was more fizzle than sizzle, which surprised me. The "best American" thread was a little strained and completely left out Seb Korda, my personal favorite among the American men. If they (or another company) were to try again, I'd definitely like to see some focus on Korda, along with Grigor Dimitrov, Mackenzie McDonald, Maxime Cressy, Elena Rybakina (doubt she would allow it), Qinwen Zheng, Emma Navarro, Leylah Fernandez, and Karolina Pliskova (and sister). Maybe Sophia Kenin. They could also pick one or two doubles teams instead of just singles players. One theme to explore would be players who transitioned from college vs. those who skipped college (e.g., Kayla Day) to go straight to pro. Who is more successful in the long run?
I don't want to know too much about these players. I like it when back in the day when we saw Steffi, but also so much of her was private. Makes it better.
Lack of the big names mentioned shouldn’t be a factor. All mentioned except Djokovic are fully or all but retired. The idea behind it should have been to promote these other rising stars, which is what I expected it to do, but it was boring and flat. Ruud should have been compelling. Gauff and Fritz should have been featured more interestingly. Meddy should never be portrayed as a villain since he is hilarious and charming. It had to be bad filmmaking and worse editing that ruined the show.
The reason tennis lacks fans and/or attention is because it is so hard to access on tv! If you stream - you have to have a “provider”. If you pay $100 for the Tennis Channel - which we did - you still only get certain matches with either no commentators or boring ones. They certainly do not make it easy for fans to watch or support.
I totally agree! ESPN shows cornhole and pickleball--but hardly shows any tennis except the US Open. You have to count on CZcams to catch most WTA matches - even the Tennis Channel shows lower ranked male players instead of showing American women matches. It's very sad that you can't see more tennis on TV.
Featuring Alexander Zverev’s episode was one of the best episodes hands down. They actually focused on his training and some of the hard work these players go through. We needed more episodes like this. This show needs to focus on the competition and the players leading into that competition. Almost zero is shown or even talked about in regards to their preparation. It’s simple. The show jumps around a lot, chops and changes. We don’t need to see the big names, just need good, true story telling. Stop fabricating everything.
I watched most of the episodes. Sadly this post Federer, Nadal, Djokovic era is not as captivating. The likes of Zverev, Kyrgios, Fritz and their lives just weren’t as interesting to me. And I am a big tennis fan.
I feel like I'm the only tennis fan who liked Break Point.... Netflix should've focused on making Big Tournament recap Aftermovies Like how Australian Open does every year. Don't rely on stars & make people care about the Tournaments (Slams/Masters)
All good points. My guess is that the people behind making the show were not real tennis fans. I love tennis but didn’t care about most of the people they covered. The show didn’t make me stay tuned to see what would happen next
Yes Daria's show is great but not everyone is willing to put herself out there like them and so it becomes s bit of a revolving door of the same characters. I think that will ultimately be its demise.
Did Break Point have flaws? Sure. But it did take you behind the scenes with some great personalities--and some not so great ones (see next sentence). The Zverev episode was indeed cringe worthy, but it was one of 16 episodes, and even in that one with its significant flaws, you still had the chance to learn some things about life on tour. I'll check out Daria Kastinkina, but enough with this pile on about Break Point. So it wasn't a smashing success, I still enjoyed it.
The reason why it failed is because they picked random people to feature and they don’t show how the seasons of those people went. They can have middling players but they need to show how they got to their current rank not just some random tournament that they didn’t lose in the 1st round in. Dasha’s videos are good but they are mostly not what people watching Break Point wanted either.
I didn't find Break Point compelling for many of the reasons you stated. To be honest, the first episode didn't leave me wanting more, so I never watched the second one.
Tennis is not a "star-driven sport"; its a class-driven sport. As long as the tennis establishment refuses to accommodate working people (as upstsrt Pickleball does, for example), they will never capture the public's attention.
Pickleball was literally invented in a backyard for family fun time together... comparing it to Tennis is misleading. Its popular because it has little to no learning curve compared to actually playing Tennis (serving for points etc) so people of all ages/abilities can go and immediately start having fun.
Everything they showed on that show was already seen and known to any tennis fan who follows the sport. There was nothing new or spicy. It was a boring, outdated take on what was already revealed to the public. Good riddance. Hope Netflix or another potential streamer will learn from the mistakes of that show so that they can produce a better tennis doc series in the future. The new show needs to showcase more revealing, spicy anecdotes about players that the public never had access to. For example, what’s the diet of a tennis player? Are there players who don’t follow the normal strict regimen of preparation - players who are rebels, partying late into the night when others are resting for their next match? (Kyrgios???,etc.) Show some drama. Heck, it would be more interesting to see two top 100 players battling out in a heated first round match and what they did to get to that stage (playing challengers, lack of coaches, fitness trainers). Show us something we don’t already know or see on the tennis channel, etc. Be original and creative!!!
I liked the show. Yes, it could have been better but still like it. I am sick of the bias against Zverev. I am glad they focused on the struggle of coming back from severe injury and his current relationship with how she has helped him come back. He won a defamation suit against publication who printed sensationalist accusations of first accuser and has not had a trial yet. The upcoming trial is in May when for the first time will have evidence shown in court. His lawyers stated that at trial they have medical evidence that will show current charges are false. I am sure he wanted to focus on tennis in this series.
As a massive tennis fan im sorry to say this but it was BORING. I honestly couldnt care less about Zverev or Sabelenka personal live or videos of their practice.
I don't believe featuring Zverev lead to low ratings.. I would need to see evidence of that. I know tennis is very woke but I also think people are coming around to the fact that we need evidence before we conclude anything. I just think the series wasn't emotive as the sport of tennis usually is. There was no excitement about any episode; in fact, I would say that the Medvedev vs Zverev episodes actually were interesting because they showed the mental tactics and raw emotion behind the scenes. I do agree that it was all after the fact ... meaning the season would be over and we knew who won what but then again it was always supposed to be behind the scenes stories and those were just not conveyed properly.
Good piece, but you missed the second-biggest reason it failed. The biggest was the lack of star power, yes. The second-biggest was that there was hardly any tennis presented! Very few points were ever played out in full. And all of the best points were omitted, and all of the key turning points were absent (except match points). Wtf?! Sidenote: I also found the mega-audio amplification of each ball strike was ridiculously cartoonish... although I actually think most non-fans dig that and are oblivious about how contrived it is.
Too far from Reality for me and then that Zverev story. Not only allegations, but the fact that Zverev had to appeal against a 450000Euro charge for domestic violence/abuse and the court trial starting end of May should have ruled him out of the show for the time being is what many people wrote as well. Offering a woman money and expecting her to sign an NDA has many people wondering about this player. Instead they made it look like Zverev's a miracle with his foot injury...and then the issue with Medvedev - no more for me thanks
I've been following tennis for 36 years now. There are no 'stars' in today's generation. Let me be clear - I'm not taking a dig at their personalities - I'm saying that there can't be stars. In the era of social media, the audience is inundated with information about everything celebrities do, which takes away from that aura of inaccessibility. That's why the last major star in the male tennis circuit would be Roger Federer, owing to his age.
I watch Dasha’s blog as soon as it is posted. Very entertaining and informative.
Daria Kastinkina CZcams vlog series is better.
I love her vlog.
Who?
@@billieboybuddha4238 its worth a look: @What_The_Vlog Daria Kasatkina, a Russian WTA player (currently # 11) talks about tennis, shows behind the scenes action and talks to other players
Nah, it is not. Perhaps overexposure is not the answer.
Yes to all; esp the lack of big names. I don’t see an elite player wanting a camera crew around them for the length of time that it would take to cover a season. Their focus is on their games
uh .. tennis reality is mostly NOT about the top players.
@@paulczerner3286 You’re right. But the crowds are not about them, either. I watch challenger events all the time (along with the handful of spectators) so I get the fact that theirs is not a life of glitz and glamour. I also admire them for sticking with it but that’s a different concept altogether. I’d def watch that but it’s not what they’re marketing here. That’s my point.
In the United States, tennis could benefit from improved marketing strategies. This factor may have contributed to the less successful launch of Break Point.
Disagree completely with "no star power" and tennis being a "star-driven sport." This approach to marketing tennis is fundamentally flawed and really hurts the sport. True fans of sport can get huge entertainment value -- often more so than "star" matches -- from watching first round competition between players ranked 100+. Those matches are critically important to both players and often are more close and competitive. It's all in how it is framed and presented.
Agree that the canned/scripted commentary in Season 2 was awful. So was the editing and score representation -- did the editors even understand how tennis works?
Yeah it was a year behind, but I really enjoyed watching Season 1 (covering 2022) as 2023 was getting under way, because it reminded me of some great moments, but it also caught me up on a lot of story lines and details I had missed.
Season 2 definitely was too self-aware and self-promoting. Almost felt like it was put together by a completely different crew.
Season 1 was great in many ways, but I particularly liked getting a close look at how Swiatek and her team operate, along with the Jabeur, Kyrgios and Tomljanovic threads. Uncanny that she was Serena's final U.S. Open loss!
Overall Season 1 was excellent; Season 2 had a half-baked quality that bounced around too much in time and overlooked some of the best stories. The best part about Season 2 for me was the Zverev rehab and comeback (I had no idea he was such a driven, serious guy), although they should have included something about the domestic violence. I also liked seeing Rune's dynamic with his mom. FAA being coached by Uncle Toni was more fizzle than sizzle, which surprised me.
The "best American" thread was a little strained and completely left out Seb Korda, my personal favorite among the American men.
If they (or another company) were to try again, I'd definitely like to see some focus on Korda, along with Grigor Dimitrov, Mackenzie McDonald, Maxime Cressy, Elena Rybakina (doubt she would allow it), Qinwen Zheng, Emma Navarro, Leylah Fernandez, and Karolina Pliskova (and sister). Maybe Sophia Kenin. They could also pick one or two doubles teams instead of just singles players.
One theme to explore would be players who transitioned from college vs. those who skipped college (e.g., Kayla Day) to go straight to pro. Who is more successful in the long run?
Maxime Cressy?? Lol
Not reading this lol
I don't want to know too much about these players. I like it when back in the day when we saw Steffi, but also so much of her was private. Makes it better.
Sad to see it go. Agree the take on Zverev missed completely
Yessss 😍 What The Vlog by Daria Kasatkina and Natalia Zabiiako . Its just amazing, the best thing ever for tennis fans 😍
I really liked Break Point. Especially Sabalenka’s episode featuring yours truly several times.
I actually enjoyed the show and was surprisied to hear it was cancelled. 😮
That’s funny. The Zverev episode was my favorite 😂
Lack of the big names mentioned shouldn’t be a factor. All mentioned except Djokovic are fully or all but retired. The idea behind it should have been to promote these other rising stars, which is what I expected it to do, but it was boring and flat.
Ruud should have been compelling. Gauff and Fritz should have been featured more interestingly. Meddy should never be portrayed as a villain since he is hilarious and charming. It had to be bad filmmaking and worse editing that ruined the show.
Great analysis. Every show needs bonafide stars with household name and Break Point missed capturing their stories.
The reason tennis lacks fans and/or attention is because it is so hard to access on tv! If you stream - you have to have a “provider”. If you pay $100 for the Tennis Channel - which we did - you still only get certain matches with either no commentators or boring ones. They certainly do not make it easy for fans to watch or support.
I totally agree! ESPN shows cornhole and pickleball--but hardly shows any tennis except the US Open. You have to count on CZcams to catch most WTA matches - even the Tennis Channel shows lower ranked male players instead of showing American women matches. It's very sad that you can't see more tennis on TV.
@@theresamorgan8065 you are so right!
Featuring Alexander Zverev’s episode was one of the best episodes hands down. They actually focused on his training and some of the hard work these players go through. We needed more episodes like this.
This show needs to focus on the competition and the players leading into that competition. Almost zero is shown or even talked about in regards to their preparation. It’s simple. The show jumps around a lot, chops and changes. We don’t need to see the big names, just need good, true story telling. Stop fabricating everything.
I watched most of the episodes. Sadly this post Federer, Nadal, Djokovic era is not as captivating.
The likes of Zverev, Kyrgios, Fritz and their lives just weren’t as interesting to me. And I am a big tennis fan.
It was awful. I never could get through either season. It was a soap opera about tennis.
Daria and Natasha’s CZcams Vlog is much, much better.
I feel like I'm the only tennis fan who liked Break Point....
Netflix should've focused on making Big Tournament recap Aftermovies Like how Australian Open does every year. Don't rely on stars & make people care about the Tournaments (Slams/Masters)
All good points. My guess is that the people behind making the show were not real tennis fans. I love tennis but didn’t care about most of the people they covered. The show didn’t make me stay tuned to see what would happen next
So they say viewers want a pretty little Hollywood fiction with only top stars. How sad.
Yes Daria's show is great but not everyone is willing to put herself out there like them and so it becomes s bit of a revolving door of the same characters. I think that will ultimately be its demise.
The Netflix Curse 😂🤣
Did Break Point have flaws? Sure. But it did take you behind the scenes with some great personalities--and some not so great ones (see next sentence). The Zverev episode was indeed cringe worthy, but it was one of 16 episodes, and even in that one with its significant flaws, you still had the chance to learn some things about life on tour. I'll check out Daria Kastinkina, but enough with this pile on about Break Point. So it wasn't a smashing success, I still enjoyed it.
The reason why it failed is because they picked random people to feature and they don’t show how the seasons of those people went.
They can have middling players but they need to show how they got to their current rank not just some random tournament that they didn’t lose in the 1st round in.
Dasha’s videos are good but they are mostly not what people watching Break Point wanted either.
The best’s episodes were the ones with Sabalenka’s story!!!
I didn't find Break Point compelling for many of the reasons you stated. To be honest, the first episode didn't leave me wanting more, so I never watched the second one.
Not sure if I liked it or not because I never watched an episode. 😂
Tennis is not a "star-driven sport"; its a class-driven sport. As long as the tennis establishment refuses to accommodate working people (as upstsrt Pickleball does, for example), they will never capture the public's attention.
Pickleball was literally invented in a backyard for family fun time together... comparing it to Tennis is misleading. Its popular because it has little to no learning curve compared to actually playing Tennis (serving for points etc) so people of all ages/abilities can go and immediately start having fun.
Everything they showed on that show was already seen and known to any tennis fan who follows the sport. There was nothing new or spicy. It was a boring, outdated take on what was already revealed to the public. Good riddance. Hope Netflix or another potential streamer will learn from the mistakes of that show so that they can produce a better tennis doc series in the future. The new show needs to showcase more revealing, spicy anecdotes about players that the public never had access to. For example, what’s the diet of a tennis player? Are there players who don’t follow the normal strict regimen of preparation - players who are rebels, partying late into the night when others are resting for their next match? (Kyrgios???,etc.) Show some drama. Heck, it would be more interesting to see two top 100 players battling out in a heated first round match and what they did to get to that stage (playing challengers, lack of coaches, fitness trainers). Show us something we don’t already know or see on the tennis channel, etc. Be original and creative!!!
I actually enjoyed the show
I liked the show. Yes, it could have been better but still like it. I am sick of the bias against Zverev. I am glad they focused on the struggle of coming back from severe injury and his current relationship with how she has helped him come back. He won a defamation suit against publication who printed sensationalist accusations of first accuser and has not had a trial yet. The upcoming trial is in May when for the first time will have evidence shown in court. His lawyers stated that at trial they have medical evidence that will show current charges are false. I am sure he wanted to focus on tennis in this series.
Good riddance! Season 2 was terrible.
I have several students because of this show. It's good in many ways.
Not enough care put the details
No non-tennis fan cares about any tennis player not named Federer or Nadal. Simple as that.
Netflix doesn't cover anything honestly. Daily Wire would do a better job.
As a massive tennis fan im sorry to say this but it was BORING.
I honestly couldnt care less about Zverev or Sabelenka personal live or videos of their practice.
I enjoyed it!
I liked it
Netflix had B grade actors that's why it failed.
It was a boring show! And there isn’t big star power in tennis anymore.
I prefer Point Break the movie.
Vaya con Dios
@@mambi74 "You'll be dead before you hit the ground Roach"
I don't believe featuring Zverev lead to low ratings.. I would need to see evidence of that. I know tennis is very woke but I also think people are coming around to the fact that we need evidence before we conclude anything. I just think the series wasn't emotive as the sport of tennis usually is. There was no excitement about any episode; in fact, I would say that the Medvedev vs Zverev episodes actually were interesting because they showed the mental tactics and raw emotion behind the scenes. I do agree that it was all after the fact ... meaning the season would be over and we knew who won what but then again it was always supposed to be behind the scenes stories and those were just not conveyed properly.
It was boring.
Good piece, but you missed the second-biggest reason it failed. The biggest was the lack of star power, yes. The second-biggest was that there was hardly any tennis presented! Very few points were ever played out in full. And all of the best points were omitted, and all of the key turning points were absent (except match points). Wtf?! Sidenote: I also found the mega-audio amplification of each ball strike was ridiculously cartoonish... although I actually think most non-fans dig that and are oblivious about how contrived it is.
It failed because it wasn’t GOATdal vs Federer. People like the fedal rivalry. Grace vs grit…
goatdal 😂😂
@@pjesf na--a-a-a-a-a-a... 🐐
@@paulczerner3286 Absolutely n-a-a-a-t
1 reason netflix break point failed: no one cares about these who
no fedal = we dont care
tennis is not about only the top players. That WOULD be boring.
Too far from Reality for me and then that Zverev story. Not only allegations, but the fact that Zverev had to appeal against a 450000Euro charge for domestic violence/abuse and the court trial starting end of May should have ruled him out of the show for the time being is what many people wrote as well. Offering a woman money and expecting her to sign an NDA has many people wondering about this player. Instead they made it look like Zverev's a miracle with his foot injury...and then the issue with Medvedev - no more for me thanks
I've been following tennis for 36 years now. There are no 'stars' in today's generation. Let me be clear - I'm not taking a dig at their personalities - I'm saying that there can't be stars. In the era of social media, the audience is inundated with information about everything celebrities do, which takes away from that aura of inaccessibility. That's why the last major star in the male tennis circuit would be Roger Federer, owing to his age.
Tennis is too politically correct
I liked it