Possible New Hive Beetle Control
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- Dr. Lewis Bartlett from The University of Georgia shares new research and interesting new ideas on possible Small Hive Beetle control.
Recorded at the Georgia Beekeepers Association fall convention 2022.
How would this pesticide work in the soil around the hives in the soil, would be more safer I have been looking to treat the soil, around my hives, I been thinking of using lime, lime burn leafs on plant in direct, was wondering if lime would burn shb in the soil
I believe it would work well.
@@bobbinnie9872 the lime or the pesticide
Why not just apply the product from Scott’s around the hive and under that would help prevent the next years or next generation of SHB
@@tjjastrem127 well I'm thinking of trying lime first, cause lime is used on fields to take acidity out of the soil for crops all the time and hives usually are not in open fields they are kept on the way side of fields where lime is not put or worked in to the soil
@@andrewklahold2880 I mean definitely try but if this is shown To be safe for bees and it targets the pest albeit off label, in the ground and not in the hive I see no reason not to try it
Very informative.
Thanks for your extra effort Bob .
You are a National Treasure
Very exciting research, can't wait for the approval so we can add it to pollen patties. Would love to get rid of all hive beetles. Thank you for sharing.
Just wanted to share my anecdotal evidence that since I spread GrubEx heavily under my 4 hives back in the early spring, I have seen zero hive beetles during inspections. Every year prior to this, I would see between 5 and 10 per hive. Would love to collaborate on a study if anyone is interested and if it hasn't already been done.
Thank you Bob for sharing and thank you researchers. Great work.
Now this is Great News! Dr Bartlett, looking forward to your talk at the Forsyth Beekeepers.
Thank you Bob for posting this.
As Always, I appreciate all the information.
Happy that Dr. Bartlett continues to practice practical research that provides solutions. We need more like him in academia. Thank you for sharing Bob ☺️
GREAT video. THANKS, Bob for sharing this with those of us who are too far away to attend! The research sounds extremely promising!
Very exciting topic, and an excellent speaker! Thanks for sharing this!
Thanks for always sharing research like this
Fantastic research! Thank you.
Thanks for sharing this talk. I found it very interesting and informative.
Great info for shb treatment. I might also recommend that you remind folks about the toxicity of grubex to aquatic life and it's labeled warning to not treat anywhere a water source. I have a small pond near my hives 😅
Thanks Bob! Very interesting.
❤️🐝Great research! And love the presentation.
Excellent talk!
Excellent video. Thanks for posting this Bob. I hope we can somehow get a handle on the SHB.
I remember Dr Bartlett from the conference!! Seems like wonderful news!!
Thank you !!!
Amazing!!!
Great information and presentation
thx
Awesome Info! 👍
Thanks for posting this Bob, very interesting. I do not as a rule like to have chemicals anywhere near my bees much less in the
hive, IF Dr. Bartlett can develop and test a good product for the beetle trap that might change my mind!
Thank you for sharing very Interesting
Fascinating research! Thank you for sharing this Bob!
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Thanks for sharing
Very cool, thanks for sharing 👍
The pic of the slime out at about 6 min 30 sec makes me appreciate the 2 in of in snow on the ground here this morning!
This was the most fun lecture I've ever seen (never thought I'd say that after Uni lol)
Nice presentation! I also spread salt in front of my hives last year. Thanks
Great lecture and very hopeful for a safe solution. Dr Bartlett’s material and enthusiastic style kept my attention throughout…unlike, other professors and TA’s during my college days.😊
Great Talk Thank you for sharing
Thanks Bob for sharing. This will be a big help for the beekeeper. Now we can hope for a new way to control or eliminate mites.
I agree. Thanks.
Wow this sounds like some fantastic news! Fingers crossed
great videos..
Grazie per i video che fai. Sei grande.
That was great!!!
Great Step in the right direction. A simple insight by a gifted professor that allowed him to link causality and start experimenting with a off the shelf product and find a possibility of a promising solution. I hope this produces a satisfactory resolution to the small hive beetle problem and it's exciting to see other possibilities also being explored. This was brilliant very worthwhile watching and a great example of university's contribution to agriculture and industry. Tax dollars well spent give that man and his students a raise😆
Do you really think they are doing it for you? ….. The guy told you they are looking to get a patent ….. so they are on this for THEMSELVES AND you paid for the research and they will profit from the research.
I know many beekeepers that have solved this problem a long time ago and they were not selfish, they did not patent the solution. they just told everybody how to do it.
Scientists don’t work for you they work for pharma. Remember that.
@@maragrace820 What is the solution you refer to?
Excellent presentation. While we don't get too much exposure to SHB here in Washington yet I like to keep up on what may be coming our way in the future. Now if we can just git Varroa more controlled with a similar exposure...
So how much H2O2 do you add to your sugar water and how long will the H2O2 last before it turns into water?
After one slimeout (quite enough!) I've trialled a robust design of reusable plastic trap but using diatomaceous earth instead of oil as most of my hives are located in pairs in hive hosts' suburban gardens and need to be able to be moved without risk of spillage.
Expecting a rather leisurely control process, I was amazed to find that after only 24 hrs the trap already contained 6 SHBs obviously affected and dying
instead of Diatomaceous earth that does nothing to beetles add hydrated lime both on top traps as well as trays you put at the bottom of the hives.
that worked for me
Thank you for sharing this video! Keep us updated, as SHB attacked and eliminate every hive that I started!
Will do!
Bob, thanks for the information! I had been wondering where Dr Bartlett's research had progressed to after he mentioned it at GBA's spring conference.
He has a lot of things in the works. I'm looking forward to the next step.
Bob that’s great news !! I hope you can keep us up to date as findings come threw on more
Progress . I think inside the trap is wonderful with the patties mixture safe away from bees .treat the soil in late winter around the hives . Probably a game changer but as always in bee keeping it needs the big approval .It’s awesome news and very interesting . A possible game changer .Thanks for sharing .
@@michaelreno8494 I just learned last night that the Georgia Beekeepers Association has awarded him $15,000.00 to help continue his work with this.
We bought couple Russian Nucs from FL and they was full of SHB a few years ago. It was our first problem with them. We tried a lot of stuff. One thing we tried that might can be adapted to this is corrugated election signs we cut up into 4x6 inch squares. It created a”jail” for the bees to propolis them into. I staple one to all the lids now all year long. But you could put this treated bait that might be good and keep the bees off.
How can us beekeepers support him in his research. People like him need more support. Thanks for promoting his teams research.
I suggest asking that question directly in an email to him. His address is shown at the end of the video. Then let us know what his response was. I'm curios too.
Great work and presentation!
I lost a couple colonies this year to small hive beetles. We had a big infestation. What worked for me was something Kanin Reynolds was testing so I tried it and it worked. I placed a little pollen in the beetle traps alone with the oil and that attracted them there and they drowned. I had about fifty in that beetle trap to say the least. I also changed beetle traps to the reusable ones that you can open and clean. They sit flat on the frames so beetles can’t hide under like they do in the cheeper one piece traps. Hopefully scientists will come up and get approved, something safe for the bees but devastating for the beetles soon enough. I hate them little boogers
Do you have a link to the reusable ones that you like?
I can't wait to see this research come to the market. It's building up to a rough year for beatles.
A year ago I had a ton of SHB. After watching this Video 3 months ago I dissolved some and sprayed under my hives. I inspected 15 hives today and only found 2 SHB.
what was the amount you mixed ? @@dennislintz1
Very interesting Bob. I wonder how long it’ll be before beekeepers are cowboying recipes for beetle baits using the lawn treatment granules?
Hi Nathan. Probably yesterday, but they better be careful with this one. I can see potential trouble if people aren't careful.
@@bobbinnie9872 I see a bait type poison such as a roach motel being a promising use. On the surface I’m leery of feeding any kind of pesticide directly to bees in the pollen sub.
@@DuckRiverHoney I'm with you. I'm leery also but I'm also beginning to understand that there's a lot more to these things than what meets the eye. There's a lot of work being done on these things and I'm looking forward to more info on all of it.
This is interesting because I used Apple Juice/Borac Acid bait traps to reduce the wasp populations around my house as it was a nasty infestation. Last summer there were no longer huge populations building nests on the buildings.. I agree with Bob if you mix this too strong you will kill your bees.
I have found the PERFECT solution. It's on my channel. I put a dark bowl with pollen and honey in it. I put holes in the middle of lid. The beetles climb in. They can't climb out because the angle (walking upside down on underside of oiled lid, would require to turn at a 180 degree angle). They can't fly straight up like a helicopter, so they can't fly out. Larva are stuck inside. Scent attracts more and more beetles. The bees can't get in there, so beetles find a perfect egg laying environment. When the trap is full, free it. Then trade the frozen beetles with a local farmer for chicken eggs. The chickens will LOVE the frozen mix. Reload trap and check on it every few months. See video on my channel.
Very interesting hope he gets the money....
This was great Bob Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us, I do wish he would had told us how much peroxide he put in the patties I use patties all the time for early build up and in the summer dearth and I cant stop doing that, our dearth here is to long, if I did not feed them they would not build up for the winter and they would die. I am getting some grub x for under and around my hives the beetles were just so bad this year never seen any thing like it I had a hive leave because of them I had a double screen bottom board on the hive and the worms got stuck in between the 2 screens there was millions of them I froze the hole hive to kill them it was just so nasty. I have baited beetle traps in all my hives and they work some but just not good enough. I make the patties small so the bees eat them fast to I just do not know what else to do. So very happy for Dr Lewis and hope he figures it out he is a big help to bee keepers, He funny to. Thanks again have a blessed week
Thanks Frances.
I too would very much like to know how much peroxide he put in the patties .
Great work! I have used Chlorantraniliprole (Scotts Grub-X) for years in Central Indiana between April and June as a grub preventative. I have 15 colonies and no SHB issues to date… wonder if there is a connection. I understand Carbaryl (Gardentech Sevin) is a curative for grubs… do you know if this has been explored for SHB?
Sorry, I don't know.
Really enjoyed the research on the hydrogen peroxide. Thank you for this presentation.
The good news about the beetle traps is they can be placed near other hives that may not be as accessable. Sort of like a broad field treatment without the toxicity fallout that comes with sprayed/spread pesticides.
I hope its not just the bees at uga your concerned about.
Does the chemical go into the proppolis and wax, and does it get in the honey and what effect does it have on humans?
The words ,safe and effective laugh at us from the lofty towers of big business.
This careless approach to safety in science may well be the cause of the excess unexplained deaths in the world highlighted by ddt Chernobyl thalidomide and now we see gain of funtion and emergency vaccines getting the finger pointed at them .
I hope this idea can be a success in all areas.
Encouraging!
Application to the soil seems like an immediate control until proper dosing is available
Would be interesting to see a hard study on the peppermint candies some use in the south.
I would like to see that too and will be mentioning it.
@@bobbinnie9872 I keep hearing about these peppermints as a good repellant and was thinking of running a few experiments with it next year. However I'd like an attractant trap to drive them toward...
I use BT in the soil under my hives and in concering cases, feed 1:1 syrup with wintergreen oil. The larvae don't like wintergreen in the comb. Bees seem to love it. I started using BT because I was treating squash vine boarer-and read the bees are not affected by the crystals.
There are many kinds of Bacillis Thurengiensis bacteria. Each one kills only certain pests and they must eat it. The kind that kills squash vine borer is the kind that only kills moth larvae. It is most likely subspecies kurstaki or azawaii that you used, kurstaki is usually sold under the brand name thuricude. It won't do anything to beetles but spinosad would but it kills bees too and was discovered in soil at an abandoned Jamaican Rum factory.
That Leeds English paired with southern US English is quite charming.
This is fantastic news! I would like to knows more about long term effects on the honey bees from ingesting and feeding this to larvae, which will just take some time to study... Very promising indeed. 👍😊
Another control method not included here is giving the lid at the top 0.5mm extra room, this way the bees can police the shb - i hate it when the default is chemicals. been doing it with great success for a long time. I live in a country where antibiotics are illegal in bee production, and where shb is a significant problem.
Still have bees, haven't seen a hive beetle in weeks. Used shb "murder sauce" on bottom board, a swiffer dry mop under the cover. Replaced as needed, but noticed significant lower pops as weeks went on. Thanks for sharing this information!!
I used the Murder Sauce also. I still have small numbers now, but it helped. Peppermint candies worked when I put it in every week, but I kept forgetting to put it in.
Thank you for this video Bob, very useful information. Much better use of grant money then a "shrimp on a treadmill." Sounds like this might work well in the small political sign strips with bait I've seem keepers use.
I wonder could someone ask Dr. Bartlett to either look into or explain why many beekeepers are gaining a measure of beetle control with peppermint extract?
Send your question to his email listed at the end. He's a nice and generous person and will probably respond. Then let us know what he said. I'm curios too.
I assume the Adult (Imago) beetle consumes patty. My question is does the chemical kill both the Larvae as well as the adult? If that's the case this cld be extremely effective as bait traps.
It’s been a year since this posted I would love to see the research he spoke about conpleteing
I believe they recently received a small grant for continuing research on this. I will be asking him for any new info coming up.
@@bobbinnie9872 very cool. Thanks so much. You sir are like a shining light in almost every one of the beekeeping rabbit holes. I don’t watch tv but I’ve been guilty of binge watching your channel. So much to learn and understand. Cheers
@@HalfQuickFarmer Thanks. I am definitely guilty of going down rabbit holes.
This is solid work in a great direction. I guess breeding for Bees that self deal with SHB didn't work . . . . .
I wouldn't give up on that one yet.
@@bobbinnie9872 I am still working on breeding flealess cats. . . .
Pretty easy to make the hives hard to get into for the beetles. Space for them to crawl under the entrance and a special cover for upper entrace
Awesome presentation. I have hives that had huge SHB problems in the last few years - A question for Dr. Bartlett - (Can he answer it here? - or I'll email directly?). *If I use Grub X around the area of my hives would that help reduce SHB as well?* This seems like a low intrusive method to kill back SHB (reproduction). The chart shown at 35:10 is missing one very important column - How much makes it into honey? We know bees do put some pollen in honey... This is why off-label use approval is important, because we don't want lawn chemicals in our food. I'm sure Reed Johnson and yourself will hash out this final key data point. And from the looks of the data thus far (logarithmic levels), my guess is that it will be lower than royal jelly numbers, since honey has a higher dilution ratio. Good luck with your research.
I'll answer the first question myself because Lewis cannot promote off label use. The answer is yes. As far as the honey question, I would suggest asking him directly.
I have a pound of pollen I got at an apiary, (was originally to add a little to my protein shakes), and I have local comb honey, can I feed these to new nuc? I figured they could reuse the comb wax anyway. I’m a newbie, starting in April and brain storming before I get started, welcoming any opinions.
Yes, you can make patties with it and feed a little at a time.
I'm not great at math, so according to his formula- how much Grub Ex would go in a 5# recipe of Pollen Patty? I think using the re-usable SHB traps would work great. I had 6 of my splits slimed out this fall. The peppermint candies worked if I replenished every 2 weeks, but I forgot to put it in when I did my inspections. This method seems to be better.
Sorry, I'm not sure about the recipe ether.
Perhaps a dumb idea, but could one just use the grub Ex on the ground under the hives where the larvae go to pupate? Or perhalps this is an additional option?
Not a dumb idea. If needed I believe that would work.
Well, better to use a tray with hydrated lime that catches larvas rather than poison my dirt.
That is very interesting to know about the corn syrup, cause I started take 25 lbs of sugar in a 5 gallon bucket then I put in two, 2 litter bottles of mountain dew and then I put in four cups of ultra bee pollen substitute the bees clean out 5 gallon of this mix's in three to four days, I started this with the mountain do because of the high corn syrup and the carbonation of the soda , do bees burp lol,
FYI, 16:00 I was confused so I Looked up 'con syrup', and figured out he meant 'corn syrup'. I'm enjoying his video, lots of info, just couldn't catch the con syrup made from sugar, I know I am ignorant
Lewis actually has an interesting accent. No ignorance on your part..
We have SHB in Ontario now.
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully they won't be a big issue there.
The crunch is whether the honey would be safe for human consumption with this weird insecticide in it. I've not tried eating grass from the local golf course. Maybe I should?
SHB killed my bee yard after a 9 year battle. Just a quick look at the bugs makes me suspect SHB were designed for the express purpose of destroying bees. I haven't tried to find any productive use of SHB.
I just watched this presentation a second time and picked up a lot that I missed the first time.
Is the Grub Ex combined with corn dust (some ground applications are). I watched where one person is considering putting this on the ground around his hives but not in them. Would this work or be legal?
I've seen other guys use their bait traps using roach killer (a paste) which is illegal.
Bob, could you discuss the rules to this and let people know this is not approved yet?
You're right it has not been approved yet. I don't know the details on how it is mixed. The Georgia Beekeepers Association just awarded Lewis $15,000.00 to continue his research on this. Grub Ex is legal to use on your lawn so I don't see how you could get into trouble for using it on the ground. Lewis was asked about that and he just smiled and declined to answer.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks. Have a great day
Yay 🎉
Would the hydrogen peroxide help with nosema at all?
How long will the beetles go before they become resistant to the chemical?
Good question.
What happens when the bees that have the ingested the chlorantraniliprole laced pollen patties then feed developing larva? Can this pesticide harm the larva?
They don't believe it does but they are doing more research on that very thing. This concept seems foreign to many of us. I'm interested in seeing further research.
Can he give this talk at EAS 2023, in Amherst MA? I hope so - by then he'll have more data too!
I would like to see that done, but of coarse EAS needs to ask him.
Next will be the mites?
I believe UGA is currently working on several ideas.
This guy told us he was going to study hives that have not been treated. He said it several years ago. Still waiting on that one.
I keep my bees inside a building where they have their own entrance would I have to worry about hive beetles?
I honestly don't know. It would seem less likely.
I don't have any hives, and to my knowledge neither do my neighbors. I do however, feed bees during the winter. I set up bee feeders with water, sugar, and honey. Sometimes the bees go through 5 pounds of sugar a day. What I have noticed are hive beetles around the feeding stations. In my view the beetles are either flying in along with the bees, or they hitch a ride on a bee. Does anyone have any info. on this subject?
Look for the video called "Hive Beetle Murder Sauce"
Interesting. The data sheet for Chlorantraniliprole also shows high ingestion toxicity for basically all species of butterflies and moths, so an added benefit, if Dr Bartlett's formula is approved, should be a measurable control on wax moth larval infestations also since the bees will certainly be storing some of the treated patties, and the bee larva will still contain some Chlorantraniliprole, so any wax moth larva should encounter the chemical once the eggs hatch and the larva begin to eat their way through the hive. Theoretically, this should kill most of the larva very quickly since it is highly toxic to moths at VERY low doses. This could be a double barreled weapon with some luck.
It's all very interesting but I have to admit that with my limited understanding it all makes me nervous.
I find it alarming not much attention was given to the lifespan of the bees after exposure to the chemical. We don't feed hfcs because it shortens lifespans but what about this?...
so many keepers say that peppermint candy takes out 100% small hive beetles why do we need all the sciencingo n this when it is solved?????? pepermint challenge look ti up!!! crush pepperming candy put in hive
Because science wants to back the ones that lines their pockets. The more natural keepers only have “anecdotal” stories.
Is that legit
@@Adrian-nv8qj look up hillbillybeekeeping or the peppermint challenge
Thank you, I'll do that now.
Let us know how it works. Until then I will listen Louis
We use bundy sand and tee tree mulch mix. They hate the stuff.
Acelepryn interesting
I have a question, if someone knowledgeable might know: are we completely sure that the beetle larvae cannot pupate in the hive?
I would not bet my life on it.
how about using a bait station instead of sticking it directly into the hive
I wonder how the grub control will effect nematodes
I actually don't know but I would be suspicious that it wouldn't be good.
So how many have bought grub x and treated around thier hives?
I honestly don't know.
@@bobbinnie9872 i meant it as a joke. I'm off to wal mart to get some to try lol
@@brianchrisman4331 Actually, there are at least a few that are going to try it. Lewis was asked about it at the meeting and all he did was smile.
@@bobbinnie9872 yeah after the hurricane down here in Florida I've experienced an increase in beetles so hopefully it works!
@@inharmonywithearth9982 from treating the ground around the bee hives? I've done it in 5 bee yards without issue
2 questions
1. We add 100% hydrogen peroxide on a pump in our well for all water hydrants. Will that help. It's a small amount but you can test strip the water and it does have peroxide in it.
2. I am treating for mites heavily with a high mite count. Can I feed the bees sugar water on a top feeder that's getting treated with oxilac acid vapor treatment?
Yes on the feeding. I've not seen a problem with that.
This is fantastic scientific research which is desperately needed for what I suspect is a rapidly worsening small hive beetle problem. Thank you for your dedication. How do you propose introducing H2O2 to both the bees and the SHBs at the same time and at a reasonable concentration? What is the current status of this grub control compound and suggested route of administration? Finally, what are your thoughts on adding large amounts of salt into the soil beneth the hives to kill the larvae before maturation?
As for the first two questions, I would recommend emailing Lewis. For the last one I would say I have heard of people doing that with good results.
Hey Bob great video and videos. If you see this I'm looking for a wholesale account for cotton blossom and tupelo blossom honey .