assault boost is the only way to make lightweights viable in Armored Core 6 PvP
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Lightweights have to play perfectly with 100 inputs/s while gat tanks win by holding down two buttons
the balance patch cant come any faster lmao
Basically
Tbh I think quads counter tanks pretty hard
Honestly, bipeds just need a buff. However, It's impossible to balance a pvp experience like this pre-release before broken things start to arise.
@@_You_Are_Not_Him_ Calling foreseeing the obvious insane outliers in both pve and pvp impossible to detect is a serious underestimation of human capabilites.
The pile driver lag-joust at 4:47 was incredibly dirty.
Literal lag spike
fighting like this makes duels feel like actual duels
This reminds me of the age-old argument of skill vs power.
If you do not have enough power, you need more skill.
If you do not have enough skill, you need more power.
I’ve been playing almost exclusively lightweights, and been smoking people. Nearly everyone I seen just copying boring meta builds like dual Zimmerman can’t play for shit, so I just run circles around ‘em.
I specifically made the most lame ass Linear Rifle keep away build to make Zimmerman abuser quit, but honestly just dancing on top of their heads with pistols or smg’s and a missile till they get staggered and then switching to a blade took a bit of getting used to, but it’s smoking people now.
Honestly I don't think dual shotties are the way to go at all. I use dual pistors and dual tasers. Pistols stagger anything quickly and dual tasers will instantly kill a staggered lightweight. Far more efficient than trying to AB and land shots occasionally against any competent player who will just AB back, tank the shot, kick your teeth in and instantly melt you.
Do you have any gameplay videos of you doing so? I haven't seen many pvp videos with pistols or smgs winning against zimms consistently
I was running into issues trying to tailor to my pistol build and pilebunker, but the window is sometimes too tight.
I ended up going with the laser dagger, and it’s just been 3 hit dagger + Kick then an Assault Armor proc if needed
I can keep up with the fastest Boss on my max AP Biped with Dual Zim. While AC fights lasts 15 to 30 seconds for me.
So unless you're a long ranged AC with seeker missiles. Then, lazer rifles, drones, rockets etc. Are all useless against me unless you time it well.
@@spidudetoo1212
Depends on the build... I use a max AP Biped with Dual Zim and Dual Earshot in NG++. I can eliminate all ACs within 15 to 30 seconds in close ranged combat.
Long ranged and well timed shots are my weakness. If the projectile can hit me in ways to make value. Otherwise, you're just wasting bullets until I close the gap.
Assault boost seems to be underutilized in general. In both PvP and PvE.
Assault boosts in pve boss does a warning attack immediately. Gets hit.
Yeah I have a bipedal that basically's assault goose for a long time and it'll assault booster around and opponent if I miss. Basically making me extremely difficult to fucking stagger
I feel like it's because the general movement feels really good!
I prefer gen 4s qb chaining instead of relying on overboost. Seeing as how they designed gen 6, they seem to want to stray far away from gen 4 which is a shame. I love gen 6 but its movment couldve been done alot better instead of retaining gen 5s movement. It whatever, i take whatever i can get at this point... Sigh.
@@BboySquidfootChin up homie, least we dont have to deal with wall jumping anymore!
real talk for a sec:
- attitude recovery stat is COMPLETELY broken, heavyweights should not recover faster from stagger than lightweights(seriously wtf this is the worst thing about weight balance atm)
- direct hit damage needs to be toned down massively, deleting 10-14k AP in one combo is dumb as shit, 150% should be the max for low DPS weaps like assault rifles
- every weapon that isn't shotguns or superheavy shit like bazookas or multimissile launchers lacks stagger
- muzzle correction on heavy weapons needs to be checked, makes dodging stun needles a complete gamble
- handheld charged weapons like linear rifles shouldn't overheat after one shot
- PROJECTILE SPEED INCREASE PLEASE
- (personal ask) reduce the "charge time" for AB, feels way too long to use in actual combat
Your last 3 points are pretty legit
okay that first point is insane, holy
@@randomanon8408 it's weird af, it's not the actual attitude recovery stat, it's how fast an AC recovers from the red stagger state
I didn't realize it for a while until tanks and quads were the only ones dropping out of my combos, it feels so bad to beat up on lightweights in this game
First take Is huge.
First noticed It while playing PvE in the Mission where liberation front asks you to deal with G4 and G5 mid Mission.
G4 legit stays staggered for maybe half a second and then shoots a Rocket + Songbirds to your face.
0 reward for being able to stagger A TANK.
I Guess the game expects US to Just spam track missles and aoe shit like plasma weapons and granade launchers at tanks from distance and call It a day
Actually... Recovering faster from stagger for Heavy ACs makes sense.
Just like Active and Passive Poise in the Soul Series.
You're a fly against a truck... That's all.
The thumbnail is perfect 😂 love cowboy but damn youre right
This is kinda how I've been getting through duels in PvE. Assault Boost is a fantastic tool. It simultaneously increases the Impact you dish out and decreases the Impact you receive. Not to mention it practically makes you immune to missiles. What's sad though is how limited your weapon options are when that's your strategy. Anything other than shotguns and missiles are basically useless if you use your boost properly.
You’re thumbnails are hilarious lol. Very awesome movement 👍
It may be more effort, and one of the only ways to make lightweights, particularly bipeds, viable. But God DAMN, does it look flashy and skillful!
I got some ultra lightweight footage using a totally different strat. The long handgun + basic mg and 2 laser orbits. I use the vertical thruster and by teetering perpetually above them they cant target me (with most weapons)
that's just hover legs with extra steps
@@rzt430 nahh bro, it feels completely different and i fight much closer and faster
Why would the not be able to target you? Both softlock and hardlock don't care if the enemy is directly above
@@KugutsuYushirotheir targeting breaks by flying directly overhead 100% and many weapons cant fire straight up
@markop.1994 don't forget hard lock totally kills their accuracy if they aren't right in front of you
I want to see people to try shields in PvP so bad. Unfortunately I can't try myself because of my specs - starting from STRYDER and operation wall climber my whole PC freezes. But I think they could be a great tool, at least for 1v1
i fought a couple people with shields.. on xbox any
jeenine just made a shield build video
In my experience using shields in PVP, everyone and their mom runs burst weapons. Pistols, zimzams, linear rifles, etc. Due to this, if you shield more than 1-2 attacks, your shield gets popped and you get staggered. It's decent for if you're out of energy and needing to evade missiles, but outside of that, I don't think they are super viable atm.
@@samferrell7929 I used it a lot in the missions that I *could* play and the simulator to largely cover myself when I'm firing my shoulder laser cannon point blank. The simulator test AC also has a linear rifle and the shield protects me against it pretty well. Overall I think you should try different shields depending on if you are using them in addition to regular evasion, or are going to more or less rely on them. My build was light reverse joint and I used it to protect myself while I was being greedy going in for point blank shots. Which meant that I was using the initial guard to the fullest. Whether they are good or not... I just want someone to actually test for me to see it. There's like, no footage at all on youtube and I'm so frustrated.
@@eldonhill4840 thank you for telling!
I think if they would really help too if they buffed the damage light and medium weapons deal to no staggered enemies
Apart from zimms
The anti-Zim build is anything with long range and songbirds on a quad and any map with buildings. Stay exactly 200 meters in the air and rain shots downward. Shotgun builds have low range so they generally cant reach you to land shots and its very high EN consumtion to fly upward toward you while dodging attacks so that opens the opportunity to dual-songbird when they are dropping from the sky. Land on any tall building to get your energy back and do it again.
Makes shotgun builds so mad that they always quit because they only like to go against ACs that their build is effective against but cant handle anything else or wont bother switching up tactics.
Same goes with the OP melee builds and chainsaw builds.
The thing is you cant really run away from AC that is built to mainly use assault boost
@@letrashcan6239 yea but if your blasting shots at the ACs face from above, he'll likely stagger or run out of energy from constant dodging before ever reaching you. Try it out. Lol. Its hilarious.
@@JupiterxBlues wanna pvp? I think I might change your mind on this matter. My steam code: 396301571
Even with this, it gets completely stomped out if anyone has any amount of braincells. Lightweights and bipeds got SO shafted. God forbid you fight an aggressive tetra with buerzel kick spamming you on reaction
Heavy Bipeds can be more threatening in close ranged combat.
Dual Zim + Dual Earshot + 2nd Coral Core etc.
I can eliminate every AC build within 15 to 30 seconds. Except for long ranged seeker missile ACs.
In short... I can keep up with the fastest Boss, so unless a player is faster or time their shots. They have no real chance to win in close range combat.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 also major LOL at earshots. they suck dude. Your entire build dies to literally stun needles and 1 assault armor wtf are you talking about.
@@Kizen.
Not really... I can end any AC within 15 to 30 seconds while tanking every shot if I wanted to, in close range combat.
Dual stun needles + Assault Armor is nothing to me when I can easily out space both attacks before ending the enemy AC soon after.
... When I can keep pace with the fastest/end game bosses. What makes you so certain that any other build who isn't long range has a chance against me? Especially, to survive beyond 60 seconds since 30 seconds is my upper limit against high AP Tanks while 15 seconds is against the lowest AP Bipeds...
All the stun needles in the world is of no actual threat to me, if you can actually hit my AC with it before I close the gap.
Where you require one good shot. I can do that 4 times over in one minute.
I'm surprised that people are only figuring out that a core movement mechanic is essential only now, but whenever I spectate an average PUG match or youtuber video, I don't see many Zimmerman apes using AB at all.
I know you like the dual shot guns, but I feel if you just added missiles to your build you could be continually be doing damage because they have insane range. All you’re doing is flying at them and missing kicks anyways…
Dual Zim + Dual Earshot + Kick on a Heavy Biped at max AP is extremely effective at close range but terrible against long ranged Seeker Missile ACs. Mainly against, Dual Seeker Coral Missile + Dual Hand Missiles (the 3rd version) + Hover Tank or Spider Legs with the 2nd Coral Core.
If those ACs builds are not on the field, then I can easily dispatch any AC within 15 to 30 seconds.
Maybe Lazer Beams style weapons can counter me but you have to time your fully lv3 charged shot well. If you miss, then you're dead.
And funny enough. Vs Dual Gatling is nothing to me when it's simply not fast enough to be valuable against all the stagger and displacement I do, along with high mobility for my heavy biped build.
I feel bad for all the pvp players who used to put in insane work to make their tank builds viable. The range of effective options in this game is so narrow in pvp.
I was always interested in the pvp. But seeing this looked way to fun. Learned alot from watching your few vids on AC6 didnt even think to utilize assault boost like that.
You could also try to put down some laser turrets while flying by 😅
using light waits is like playing DDR on a controller. im here for that
I predicted it would be like this. What do you expect when you have instant turns, no turning speeds, and auto lock? The advantage of LWs in past games was their speed, so if they got in close, they would be dancing all around you, in all manners avoiding lock. Now, everyone can follow easy, with or without aim-assist. What did people really expect was going to happen? The mechanics of this game are trash for PvP. I had said tat for LWs its going to be hit and run cause everyone can follow you in the heads up. This game is so stupid smh.
In 1v1 that is probably true. I do wonder if that is the only thing that makes sense though. I'm not sure how the balance should be to make them viable any other way. By nature they need to have lower weapon load/AP/Stab and they are already faster in both normal movemnt and quick boost. Some kind of stupid strong generator with very low weight/ requiring low weight might be another angle I guess?
a low output, high cap and high recharge speed gen would be excellent if they made LW parts less drainy
Yeah I hate how in some LW builds I drain my EN in like 5 QBs
@@shiftarmoredcoreI remember one of the Dafeng gens that was basically that but it’s so finicky and not exactly ideal to work with
@@branm5459that would be the ling tai and ming tang. They are really good generators but depending on your build not really usable
i honestly think they should have given biped legs a special ability, like climbing you could do in ACV that allowed you to quickly reorient yourelf without using energy.
On larger maps I just rock laser handguns and AB away, let the laser orbits do the work and occasionally turn around and shoot from a safe distance. Kinda cowardly, but its the only effective strat I found that allowed me to use light reverse joint in a Zimmer meta
Meanwhile... Seeker Rocket built ACs can just relax while the enemy AC dies from 50+ projectiles and drones.
Were you a part of the AC tournament in the official AC discord? Heard you were going off there yesterday
Why no one uses assault boost in PVP is beyond me.. only dual gattling can keep up with it.
For a max AP Biped. VS Dual Gatling is not an issue.
In fact... Outside of missile builds. High Stun/Stagger builds is the most dangerous counter to face. Particularly from a Quadruped.
Tanks are not consistent in this regard. You can QB through their combo. Unlike against Quadrupeds.
But if you use a light weight AC?... Good Luck!
I only found out thay you can do a 90 degree turn while assault boosting using quick turn.
lightweights spending 90% of their combat in AB learning how to perfectly time their shots between dodges B)
so, you're saying lightweight has the possibility to beat tank build? I'm in
It seems like you are playing with a controller, I would say try out this strategy with mouse and keyboard if you are somewhat comfortable with it, it would take like 2 missions to get fully used to. The non hard locked aiming with mouse is just WAY too easy especially with the fast build. Also man did FromSoft hit the nail in the head with assault boost controls, it turns slow enough for you to quickly aim and shoot without changing boost direction very much, but also you can do a full 90 degree turn if need be, but you have to do a wide turn (follow a 'racing line' if you will) for that.
Quick turn is locked to Tab on keyboard, so it's harder to quick turn while Assault boosting. It's the only non-bindable key, which sucks cause I want to use quick turn tech so bad but can't.
@@poimasterJust use high sens 😢
Turnrate is capped in this game while using AB, sensitivity won't change a thing
i think a lot of people want tanks to be nerfed but i think they need to keep the same just make lightweights boost chager delay faster so i can spam booster and with that i do not care being a cardboard core
Isn't pulse armor when you stagger better?
I wonder if you can do a balteus missle strafe with those carla handheld missle launchers.
I use them along with the coral missile and a back laser gun it fucks people up that have super heavy builds and can't dodge all of the missles
@@keyblade365able
Missiles are actually easy to strafe for any Biped because of hit box size.
But yeah... Dual Coral Missiles is nuts and paired with the 3rd version of the dual Seeker Missile (hand weapon). It basically one shots any AC who can't dodge properly, and long before the two massive Coral AOE arrives.
I'm still a bit hesitant to try AB on lightweights, been working for my midweight so far but i will try on lightweight.
Spamming assault boost makes it look like jousting.
Dawg you are not on the For Answer netcode you can put a blade on and kill these people like 5x faster
idk man you're doing a lot of ABing and not really doing much else...most fights would be over way sooner if you stayed in range and QBed when needed
maybe this is viable vs. certain shotgun counters though idk
Why do you only have 1 PA?
death by a thousand cuts lol these fights take so long
you are using quad shotguns, ofc you need some gap closing - assault boost is the best tool...
But this is such a niche use case. You will get eaten by other shotguns playing like that.
thanks expert
Can you share build please?
There are a few ways to skin this cat, but it looks like he is maximizing stab based on the head choice. By far the most important thing is making sure you have quick turn and you know how to execute it well in your control scheme!
Make your own build, those shared meta builds are killing the PVP scene
Any game that allows build crafting should have such a nice system to share builds. People are always going to be unoriginal and just use other's builds but they can't borrow skill.
@@Joshua-by4dc Get real
Mannnnn I just wanted to know if I have same parts as he used, or is it locked in ng+ idk
So basically chip damage to death while dodging all the rain of death pouring down on you and keeping track of your boost meter. Yep Glass Cannon mechanics
works when you are fighting people who are normal. Have not fought one person with a non-pvp specific op build. Problem is, all of them are like ng++ and have all the cool shit. Why is there no matchmaking?
i'm kinda against matchmaking, it's very impersonal and hides how many people are queuing up
it's better to meet someone and play 10-15 games than to be one and done
why not both is what I was thinking. I like the ability to play against the same person however many times we wanted, it was something I had not seen in a while. But every single person I met was so much further in the story. If it was gonna be like this why not lock pvp till ng+? Because endgame and ng+ etc weapons vastly outclass anything I have. @@randomanon8408
Last guy threw by not using his core expansion
Your AC look awesome! Also, you have amazing control skill! 😆
Check his 4A pvp vids.
It's so fun but so hard to learn
your spacing is emmacualte
I cant try pvp because i pirated the game but i use a similar strategy to beat bosses that fly all over the place. Assault boost>shotgun>laser lance>pilebunker>shotgun>expansion>kick.
One shots most AC bosses, idk about PvP.
4min long fight, wow.
Can’t lie I’ve been using the same type of build but with zims and pile bunker