Hornby Railways Silver Seal R.063 Britannia Locomotive
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- Hornby Railways Silver Seal model R.063 B R Standard Class 7 Britannia Class locomotive named Britannia (1976-79) with a variety of rolling stock from mid 1950s to early 60s.
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I thought your camera work was fine and made for another enjoyable Sunday morning running session. Legend has it that GW Closed Van with the bendy roof always wanted to be a Banana Van when he grew up.
Phenominal! I remember Christmas’s 1972 with my Freight-master set…
Good morning Oscar, it's Martin from Hull in the East Riding of Yorkshire. I hope you are keeping well, I've just watched your latest video and it was very interesting and informative as always. Every time I watch your wonderful videos I am always transported ( by train. Lol 🙂) back to my young days. It's quite amazing how most of your rolling stock is in great condition, maybe they had a different construction system to what they have today. But anyway, as i say nearly every week the pleasure of seeing your railway is amazing. I am always on the lookout for a station like your large one, I guess it must be one of the early ones, maybe Triang? I think it looks quite magnificent and I like the colour of it. Is it cream or maybe a very light yellow.? Either way it is a very magnificent structure indeed. Thank you for all the pleasure and happy memories your railway gives me every Sunday. And as always, it's always great to see your wonderful collection of locomotives as well. So now it's time for my tea and toasted tea cake. Keep safe Oscar and have a good week ahead. I will see you next Sunday. The time is now 11.23 am. 👍🚂☕🙂
Good morning Martin thank you again for looking and it's great to hear you enjoy seeing these videos. It's been a busy week and I've had a bit of a cold which has made everything seem to take a little bit longer, but pretty much over it now. The large station in the cream colour is a Hornby Dublo item Terminus/Through Station 5083 I think it was brought to market in the late 1959 and as Hornby Dublo was absorbed by Tri-ang and became Tri-ang Hornby it was absorbed into their range for a time and they even made one in those dark maroon colours they used for there station buildings in the late 60s for a couple of years. It's a lovely looking item, but takes up a large amount of space on railway, and can be set up as a Terminus or a Through station.
All the best.
Oscar
Good morning Oscar, the Britannia is running very nicely, and it's a really good idea to have a buffer wagon with different couplings at each end, it increases your options on what to run. Enjoyed this morning session Oscar always look forward to my Sunday morning. Take care Eddy xx
Good evening Eddie glad you enjoyed that. I could probably have got by without making those converter wagons but they've turned out to be quite useful.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Thanks again. Got one of these i've had since a boy, same as by the looks, never ever run right. Got the 'Evening Star' at the same time which has been wonderful..
Hi John great to hear you have both those models as originals from you, when I first got this model it suffered some quite intermittent running in the end. I took a little off the top edge of the draw bar which enable to tender to sit on the rails and not be so susceptible to slight undulation in the track.. it made a massive difference.
Thanks for watching. Take care..
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley Think the problem may lie with the motors, they are of different styles. But for now packed as i don't have the space at the moment.
I have 2 SS 9Fs of the same vintage. There was really nothing quite like these locos available at the time. Enjoyed the video very much.
Thanks Stephen. Glad you enjoyed the video. Those early 9F silver seal locomotives are beautiful items.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, lovely running footage at the beginning. I think that would be one of the last of the original Fleischman derived Ringfield motor powered models before the cheaper plastic version took over.
The interesting story of how that first Triang Hornby Ringfield motor came about, and why it was changed to the plastic version, is told in one of Pat Hammond's Triang/Hornby books.
I used to drool over those silver seal locos as a child in that very catalogue!
Regards, Antony
Thanks Anthony. Glad you enjoyed that footage at the beginning. It's a lovely motor. I shall have to have a look out for the info about these motors in Pat Hammonds books.
All the best
Oscar
Good morning Oscar. Your choice of footage is inspiring and your weekly YT video continues to be the highlight of my weekend. Mark
Good morning Mark great to hear you're enjoying the footage. It's much appreciated that you're taking the time to watch.
All the best.
Oscar
Another great start to Sunday Oscar. Britannia is an excellent locomotive. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Thank you, Roy. Glad you enjoyed that.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
I know I keep saying this but good intro footage, very realistic.
Nice Britannia.
I picked up a Silver Seal R552 OLIVER CROMWELL a couple of weeks ago, 6 traction tyres and flanged centre driving wheel, very smooth.
Best wishes,
Gordon
Good morning Gordon thanks again for watching. Glad you enjoyed the footage. Great to hear you've acquired the Oliver Cromwell.
All the best.
Oscar
Another great video Oscar, thank you. David.
Good morning David, glad you enjoyed the video.
Take care.
Oscar
Sorry Oscar ,, 1 more question ?
You showed an above shot of the tender motor and you can see the armature and drive cog moving in and out and there seems to be a heck of a lot of excessive movement there.
I have have pulled a few of these apart and some of them have what i think are tiny plastic spacers and are quit thin but I think they could also be used to keep the armature and drive cog from moving in and out. If you put them on the drive cog side you may have to use a puller to get the small brass cog off main drive shaft then put the washers in between the motor and the ouer casing of the motor then put the drive cog back on ,, or easier still is to put them in between the brush cover plate and put the tiny washers in between the armature shaft and the the outer brush housing to stop it from moving in and out and also might reduce the amount of noise coming from the motor as well.
I know all the other connecting cogs do make a lot of noise but if you stop the drive shaft from moving in ad out it will as they stopping the other cogs wont be moving so much.
How I come to notice this on one motor I was doing some work on the motor was a goer but it was really quiet. But after a good clean was going better but soo much noisier than it first was so I looked at my towel for any missing bits and I found a heap of small plastic washer or spacers on the towel so i pulled it apart and put all the washers in it and it was strong powerful and backmto being the quiet engine it was to start.
Hope this helps you as you have helped us all by showing us great information about how the history of triang is and train repairs. Thanks again.
Cheers from John in Australia.
Good morning John thanks for the great info the free play on the armature checked against other motors is all but the same. There is an insulating fibre washer S.3747 between the commentator and the cover plate, I've replaced a number of these in the past on these older motors as they are missing or almost through. Hornby service sheet shows the washer and it looks to be quite a substantial thing, in reality they are literally paper thin, the replacements washers available very often have the holes off centre! I wonder if these reproductions may be thinner than the originals I'm sure the originals would've had the whole centred. Next time I have the model apart, I may try a pair of these washers on the commentator side.
All the best.
Oscar
Another. first class video Oscar ,very enjoyable .Must say it is quite a substantial motor in the tender but like mine noisy , but can pull 8 coaches no problem on the flat .Keep up the enjoyable videos Oscar 😊
Thank you Steven glad you enjoyed that, it's a beautifully made thing the motor in these and definitely seems quite robust in the pulling department.
All the best.
Oscar
I have a Britannia like yours, and from the numbering on the service sheet it’s from August 1976
Hi Mark, terrific to hear you have one of these great models from 76 as well.
Thanks for watching. Take care.
Oscar
Morning Oscar, another enjoyable start to Sunday.
It seems the Hornby tender drive loco to tender pick ups were frequently troublesome, the extra wire being a common modification. You mentioned wondering why Hornby never made a pug in connector wire for theses locos. The first Tri-ang Hornby Evening star, then the early Hornby Black 5, Black 9F and Oliver Cromwell had a fixed wire between loco & tender, effectively meaning they were permanently connected but not coupled. The instruction sheets advised carefull handling as a precaution. The only Early model wired this way I don't have is the Oliver Cromwell, the Black 9F wire needing a repair!
Nice assortment of stock today, handy having the dual couplings on the fish van and Utility van.
All the best from Me and Sue.
Good morning thanks for watching Glad you like the collection of items in action in the video. Hope Sue and yourself are keeping well, thanks for the great information about those early connected models. It's much appreciated.
All the best.
Oscar
Such fantastic views of the Britannia from the start. Yet another enjoyable video; Sundays aren’t the same without your video and a good coffee. Thankyou so much, all the very best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Glad you enjoyed the video Marc, thanks for the kind words it's much appreciated.
Take care.
Oscar
Nice model . I have a slightly earlier one , Oliver Cromwell which has the tender and loco permanently coupled . After 49 years it still runs well . I remember getting that catalogue through the post , my first mail order from Hattons beck in 1976 . Thought it was a good catalogue with some good illustrations on layouts , but it could only have been better than the 75 catalogue where vast numbers of items had been discontinued ! Nice Sunday viewing as always . Thanks Oscar
Good afternoon Russell thanks again for looking in, the catalogue you ordered from sounds like a terrific item, these are great model locomotives, It's terrific to hear your original is still working well.
All the best.
Oscar
Very timely video.I have just got hold of R063 myself. I really like these early Silver Seal models. I also have R859 Black 5 and R863 class 47. Both smooth quiet runners. Hope to get hold of the two 9F's as well someday. After a full clean and service she still had a bit of hesitation and needed a gentle nudge to start on occasions. I have since hard wired the tender to the chassis and it now runs faultlessly.The glossy finish looks great as well. Thanks as always for sharing.
Good morning Steve thanks for looking in. Great to hear you have this lovely model in your collection along with the Black 5 and Class 47, these early silver seal models were a gorgeous range of items with a little caring and attention they run beautifully.
All the best.
Oscar
I rather like the warped GWR wagon - full of character- it’s amazing to think if they were produced from 1948 that the original GWR still existed (just) then !
Lovely video as ever Oscar.
Good video this morning Oscar, I have one of these silver seal Brittania locomotives but it is 70013 Oliver Cromwell, I have recently just managed to get mine running again, my one is one of the versions hornby did with 6 traction tyres on it and they had all gone bad with how old those tyres were so recently I managed to get some more tyres and fitted them to my model, I’m very happy to have it running again, keep up the great work Oscar.
Good morning David, thank you for watching. Great to hear you have Oliver Cromwell in your collection.
All the best.
Oscar
I have this same model. It is a delight to run it on my new layout. Only one board at this time Martin. (Thailand) Yorkdale LNER Preservation Railway.
Good afternoon Martin terrific to hear you have one of these in your collection and that you're getting your railway up and running, it's an exciting time developing railway.
All the best.
Oscar
Good Morning to you Oscar from Glasgow another great video from you Sir I've got a Britannia Hornby New Locomotive Firth of Clyde Thanks again for the video 📹
Good afternoon Cameron thanks for looking in, those new Hornby locomotives certainly have some beautiful detail. Great to hear you have one in your collection..
All the best.
Oscar
Nice Close upshots at the beginning Oscar 😊🚂🚂🚂
Thanks, JimyJames glad you enjoyed those close-up shots.
Oscar
Hi Oscar ,, Quick qusetion on the loco for this R.063.
Is the chassis a type that you can put a drive cog on the the middle drive wheel and add an X03 or X04 motor into the loco than add a base plate wiring and the pickups to the actual loco and then hook it all up to really what ever you need to drag behind it as with all them driving wheels in the loco and the tender you could cart a pretty big rake of what ever you want realy..
Cheers from John in Australia.
Hi John, yes it's possible to make the R063 front wheel drive. I did mine a few years ago. It pulls well too. Hope that helps.
All the best
Pete (UK)
Good morning John as Peter has indicated in the attached comment it's possible to make a conversion on these and have a motor in the locomotive. I haven't done one myself. The chassis block is carried over from earlier models and the provision for the motor is still in place. I believe the holes for the screws that hold the motor and the bottom plate may need to be tapped as well as adding a drive gear and collection plate.
All the best.
Oscar
Greetings over there, Brittania is my favourite of all time🎉 thanks for sharing, as always enjoying. Kind Regards Elizabeth Lines
Thanks Elizabeth, glad you enjoyed the video..
Take care.
Oscar
Good morning Oscar , lovely locomotive the Britannia never actually owned one. I do much enjoy your videos my favourite is the coronation class LMS crimson livery..
Good afternoon, Michael. Thanks again for looking in. Glad you enjoyed seeing the Britannia in action. I think I'm going to have to have some LMS themed videos coming up in the summer. I'm having a bit of a thing with a southern item at the moment.
All the best.
Oscar
Yes in 1976 £14 for a loco was expensive ,if you think even coppers were on only £35 a week ,I started as a postal cadet in 84 on £75 a week at 16 that was considered as good for my age better when it went up to £100 after I passed probation 😊😊
But disappointed with my purchase I told you about but no worries
All the best Oscar
Mark 😊😊
Good morning Mark, your example puts the prices into perspective of that period very nicely, sorry to hear about your purchase.
All the best.
Oscar
I enjoyed the session.. Nice to see the Britannia stretch it's legs on a bit of freight, with a nice variation of 4 wheel wagons.. Our Britannia is an earlier version, with a motor in the boiler? It seems to me that the Britannia chassis seems to run easier than the similar Princess chassis? Maybe Tri-ang had tweaked the measurements a little between models?
Thank you for some nice memories.. Cheers, Rob
Good morning Rob glad you enjoyed seeing the Britannia having a bit of a run around the railway, my earlier Britannia double lined Britannia with solid wheels is possibly one of the smoothest runners I've got.
All the best.
Oscar
Oscar...I don't suppose you know of a front bogie wheelset spare? I have oliver Cromwell and is complete apart from the first pair of wheels.
Thanks for a chill video. Like the way you end with shots of the catalogue
Hi, glad you enjoyed the video. I think those wheels are marked down X735 on the Hornby service sheets, same wheel possibly used on the 9F and the Ivatt, Triang Hornby Spares have something similar in size which they indicate as a front bogie wheel used by Hornby from 1980 onwards as multi fit. www.hornbytriangspareparts.co.uk/item/X737x2f10-HORNBY-TRIANG-BOGIE-WHEEL-TON Peter spares has them but they are marked us out of stock presently. There is currently a whole bogie for sale on eBay, although it's the same price as a full rolling chassis www.ebay.co.uk/itm/375339720149?itmmeta=01HVYGB3S7Z33HMX53N724M1PN&hash=item5763fd9dd5:g:4lAAAOSwiQ1kvpO3&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAAwHBA5bpwmfY30Iq8KWDdiZ%2Bg%2BNR0pITDciXnYphWdjaHmG%2B5HCV1igrK%2BLXOrgaxNKPJ%2FmEB6RcMaYsFcoHFEtWVLRpBKKt5bL63FjI9HQDnxsNy3OsoDBavas2t2Sor6FV9DQM7AratJTDScqXNryZ2AN57fkroDBcc7zL4u9%2BUgPT2Qj3o8jpKhQgqgRIGHR9%2Bzb12UU3PnUtAsS3AX2IbX7cwTDbk7TNcxBW2lxjk7CM2HxungylXyuuuxRHDPw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9q8rNDfYw
Take care.
Oscar
Were did you get those Bogie fixing Screws/Bolt from?
I was wondering how large the flanges are on the wheels of the Tri-ang models. In the United States at least, there are three codes of rail; code 100, code 83, and code 70. Code 100 track has large enough rails that you can run vintage HO gauge models on it, but more recent models have smaller flanges so they can run on the more realistic code 83 or code 70 track.
Hi thanks for looking in. Just measured the flange depth on the R.152 Black Diesel Shunter with the solid wheels on the railway at the moment 1.7 mm flange depth.
All the best.
Oscar
Thanks. This will enable me to do further research, even with America’s weird measuring system. ;)
Hi Oscar, you mentioned CKD bogie pivots. Are they replacements for rivets? Guy
Hi Guy, thanks again for watching the bogey pits with items used in the CKD kits where the customer could build the coach themselves and instead of rivets there is a nut and shoulder bolt to do the job. If you search that well-known auction site for the following reproductions are available "S1092/S2178 HORNBY TRIANG CKD FIXING SCREW AND NUT MULTI FIT SEE DESC" they are very useful items.
All, the best.
Oscar
I believe that motor in your Britannia was originated from Fleischman, could be wrong though
I think you are right. Hornby copied the Fleischmann design without authorisation and were made to stop making it, hence the change in design of the later ringfield motors.
@@PaulinesPastimesI heard that the reason they stopped making that motor was that a worker in the factory dropped and broke the moulding tool for the metal chassis casting and it was considered too expensive to make another, hence the inferior, cheaper plastic version.
@@ScreamingLordStokes That's interesting.
Hi David, thanks for watching. I've heard that as well that it may be a close copy of a Fleischman motor of the time. It must've led to some interesting conversations in the boardrooms of both the companies, Hornby certainly went on to change the motor with many variations to follow.
Take care.
Oscar