Enjoyed your review, you gave a lot of info without blethering. Your accent was perfectly acceptable and you did not try to be a comedian. I will look at more of your reviews in future.
I ended up buying the Pelagos LHD...more comfy, 500m dive, tough titanium, superb lume, better price, more unique look compare to BB and sub, I have swapped to OEM rubber strap and trust, it looks super fantastic, very versatile
I feel like with Rolex you’re really paying 3xs more for the sub look and the glide lock. Hands down not 3xs better. How’s your Pelagos holding up? I’m def interested in a Tudor next, only issue I can think of is the size on my 6 3/4” wrist.
I’m thinking about the pelagos too! It’s the perfect dive watch to me. My worry is my wrist size tops is 7 inches. I’ve seen wrists at 6 3/4 and the watch still looks good. So I think we’d be fine
You poor soul… I hope you do not prance around with your Tudor thinking you are some big shot. Only two brands can equate to you being a big shot. Rolex and Patek Phillipe. The rest are just not in their class or genre
A lot of people don't realise that most of the thickness difference is from the domed crystal on the tudor. Both have a bulbous case back. The rest is illusion as the thicker Rolex bezel allows for a narrower mid case. The benefit of the thicker bezel and narrower mid case is a reduced weight on the watch head
I have both, bb58 and the new no date sub 124060, both 70hrs, both ar couting, the 58 wears better, rolex 300m case back isn't as comfortable as the flat 58 case back. But the rolex is the original and will always increase in value..if you have a collection try the bb58...
Love both of these watches, now the Tudor black bay is very nice yet the one thing that is lacking is a coin edge bezel....if it had that, I'll go with the tudor....Tudor doesnt need to have a set back against any divers watch...great watch Rolex is always perfect...dont ever buy anything ref value other than sport watch Rolexes...
Trying to decide if I should trade my Rolex Explorer 39mm and TudorBB burgundy metas for a Rolex Sub40mm date or 41mm sub no date. What do you think? Always wanted a sub.
I like Rolex and I actually own a couple of its SS sports models... However, brand fatigue is indeed real and I for one am experiencing some of it. There's just too much hype especially on the Daytonas and GMTs! Having said that, the "no date" is just pure love even with the controversial super case. 114060 for me in this battle. Keep it going, Tim. You're such a rockstar in the watch world!
As others here have mentioned, this comparison should of been between the Sub and the BB58. That Tudor would of made a stronger case for itself. As I also believe it’s overall, the best watch Tudor makes. And I would of chosen it over the Sub here. This BB is just too chunky for one thing, like many of Omega’s contemporary models, which puts me off them too. Still, this Sub is a fab watch as well, an icon.
Comparing a Tudor BB at Less than 50% of retail of the Submariner and the Rolex is unobtainable at retail unless you get on a waiting list and are lucky enough to get one within a year. Grey Market the Rolex is 12 thousand USD or more .... Cost and availability matter and the Tudor can be purchased at a discount from an authorized dealer without waiting lists and price gouging. I'm on waiting lists for a Submariner and GMT Master II but own a Black Bay , Black Bay GMT as well as a Pelagos.... The Pelagos bracelet should be on all Tudor watches .
Tudor will creep up in price and become too expensive for most just like Rolex and Omega have. Luckily brands like Squale make fantastic solid well built divers for far less
To me the Rolex looks so much nicer and more refined than the Tudor. But I prefer my Sinn 104 over both of them, and to be honest, even over my SD4K :-/ I guess we like what we like, regardless of price or social desirability.
I got this submariner 5 years ago best thing I ever done. It's been a brilliant watch and I will always keep it. Very interesting video bit I say Rolex all day long 👍
David Datura I’m with you on this one. The BB58 movement got all the gains of the new BB movement vs the ETA (3 day PR, silicone hairspring, Chronometer, etc), but with the thickness of the ETA version. They really need to put it in the standard model and discontinue this movement.
I'd go with the new Omega Seamaster 300 before I'd ever go with Tudor - always only little brother and vintage trend bound. The Omega has the arguably better movement than the still non-updated Rolex, same performance, same warranty and is pre-owned a true bargain with independent watchmaker credentials with the George Denials Co-Axial. This match here of Tudor vs Rolex was decided before it started, at the Rolex/Tudor HQ strategy meeting.
when u can afford a Rolex and own one then u know how much better a Rolex is. i have a couple of Omegas and Rolex. Rolex is in another level ! and much more luxuries
Ess tiger can you not read? Obviously I can afford a Rolex. I have zero interest in owning one. In the 1980’s & 90’s most in Dallas were fake. Omegas were not. I’m an Omega guy. I appreciate the Rolex quality but not interested in over paying. Tudor Ranger is everything a Rolex Explorer is for 1/3 the cost. It’s made by Rolex 🤣
The new look of the Seamaster has never done anything for me, the cupcake escape valve, skelitonized hands, little too big, ceramic wave dial ahhhh. I want to love Omega in general because I know they make great watches but they are a mess, constant special editions, fo patina all over the place etc etc. Only watch they make I could see buying would be a speedy pro which is timeless like the Sub.
The better comparison would be the Tudor Black Bay 58 I think Tim. Why choose this variant? Oh & you say Tudor Submariner when introducing the Rolex . As ever though Tim I love your work 👍🏻
Agreed on every point! Enjoyable video review, as ever, but a duel with the BB58 would offer interesting analysis of comparable form factors as well as the compelling value prop offered by the newer Tudor caliber.
If you want a Tudor, buy a Tudor. But if you truly want a Rolex, buy the Rolex. While Tudor is a sister company of Rolex, a Tudor is not a Rolex, period. If you buy the Tudor and you wanted the Rolex, you will still want the Rolex.
Thanks for the great video, I was really thinking about adding an older Tritium dial submariner to my collection, but I have a Black Bay Heritage. I think I am more into getting the vintage sub, as it looks smaller, and has the tritium dial which is a big plus for me :)
I prefer the Rolex in this matchup for all the reasons Tim said. Tudor is a better watch dollar for dollar though. Tim, wouldn't it not be well advised to negotiate the crown with wet/sweaty hands RE: introducing water into the case? You always mention a gnarled crown as a plus for this reason.
I’m not in love with either, but I feel if I ever did fall for that design, I’d be more drawn to the Black Bay, simply because it does so almost as good as the Submariner for so much less. The Submariner is slightly-moderately better in basically every way (although I think I may prefer the BB aesthetically), but I do t find it 2x better in any of those respects. There are only two issues for me with the BB. First and foremost, while I understand an aluminium insert is truer for a vintage aesthetic, if I can get a ceramic bezel on divers -$1000 (see Tissot Seastar 1000), I’m not willing to pay $3000+ without it. If the BB ever switched to a ceramic bezel I’d take the BB over the Sub every time (BB Steel partially solves this, but I’d prefer ceramic). Secondly, and more subjective, they need to update the 41mm with the new, smaller, movement in the BB58 to bring the thickness down (my 8in wrists are the only reason I wouldn’t just get the BB58 instead). Personally I’d take the Omega SM Diver 300M over either, as I feel it matches the Sub in almost every spec, yet is much closer to the BB in price (I also prefer to have a date, and despise the Rolex cyclops). I will admit, however, that both of these are aesthetically much more versatile than the more polarising Omega. Also if money isn’t a factor at all, the Sub is definitely worth the extra money over the BB (I just don’t feel it warrants the extra cost if you still saving the funds).
@@threehander I went down that road, I got my self a Black Bay 41 with a Blue dial. It was a really nice watch, good build quality and feel. But there was something missing from it and it felt just a bit to near to my No date Submariner and two tone Datejust 36. I traded the TUdor after 5 months for a Panerai Radiomir (PAM380). The Ranger could be something I would consider sometime and the Black Bay chrono is nice.
The Rolex Submariner and Oyster Perpetual, Omega Speedmaster Professional, Cartier Tank and Audemars Piguet Royal Oak are probably the only true “icons” of the watch industry. There are others that come close, but these 5 can claim to have started or popularised entire segments of the watch industry.
@@galaga8834 Yes indeed, my friend. You see, you need to look at the entire history of horology. Remember, the question is not the most iconic watch of today, but rather of *all time*. The Tank was the original luxury, must-have watch since it's inception over 100 years ago. This is true for both men and women. Meanwhile, the sub has really only reached the iconic status it enjoys today about 30 years ago when it overtook the DateJust.
Ess tiger 🤣 I have 5 Omega Watches & a Tudor Ranger. Could easily afford a Rolex. It took 8 years & 3 colleges but I got that degree so I’m smart enough not to waste my 💰 on a Rolex. Besides 80% of Rolex fan boys are dip shots 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
eric martell feeling of being ripped off! We buy time pieces to keep, to wear, to enjoy not to flip for car payments. We invested in stocks & retired a millionaire. That’s a lot of Rolexes to chase & flip 😁
I am choosing the Rolex Submariner. I like the Rolex modern and timeless design, I like the Rolex crown guard and I like the Rolex tough and reliable movement. The Rolex submariner doesn't lose a lot of value and is an heirloom watch. The Tudor design is to vintage and a sport diver watch deserve a crown guard. If I can't put a Rolex Submariner on a credit card I will gladly buy a Tudor Black Bay that is also created by the Rolex watch company.
Tudor man will have more style ! And more likely a better watch Collection! Rolex man will have tattoos and a gold chain and most likely one watch that he has no clue what movement it has !!!
Brett La Montre. That’s me Tudor and 11 more watches anyway for average man no one cares and only among watch freaks the Rolex, AP, PP, VC crap exists. Most average joes wear Seiko or Timex and think that’s more than enough.
I don’t think the Tudor BB and the Sub are competitors. I think Rolex made this retro inspired beauty to keep customers away from Omega Seamasters.
Gotta do a Black bay 58 on bracelet vs the sub.
Depends on if it is an "only" watch or part of a rotation, right?
I'm coming around to Tudor after handling one in person... so classy looking.
Enjoyed your review, you gave a lot of info without blethering.
Your accent was perfectly acceptable and you did not try to be a comedian.
I will look at more of your reviews in future.
I ended up buying the Pelagos LHD...more comfy, 500m dive, tough titanium, superb lume, better price, more unique look compare to BB and sub, I have swapped to OEM rubber strap and trust, it looks super fantastic, very versatile
I feel like with Rolex you’re really paying 3xs more for the sub look and the glide lock. Hands down not 3xs better. How’s your Pelagos holding up? I’m def interested in a Tudor next, only issue I can think of is the size on my 6 3/4” wrist.
I’m thinking about the pelagos too!
It’s the perfect dive watch to me. My worry is my wrist size tops is 7 inches. I’ve seen wrists at 6 3/4 and the watch still looks good. So I think we’d be fine
You poor soul… I hope you do not prance around with your Tudor thinking you are some big shot. Only two brands can equate to you being a big shot. Rolex and Patek Phillipe. The rest are just not in their class or genre
A lot of people don't realise that most of the thickness difference is from the domed crystal on the tudor. Both have a bulbous case back. The rest is illusion as the thicker Rolex bezel allows for a narrower mid case. The benefit of the thicker bezel and narrower mid case is a reduced weight on the watch head
I have both, bb58 and the new no date sub 124060, both 70hrs, both ar couting, the 58 wears better, rolex 300m case back isn't as comfortable as the flat 58 case back. But the rolex is the original and will always increase in value..if you have a collection try the bb58...
Love both of these watches, now the Tudor black bay is very nice yet the one thing that is lacking is a coin edge bezel....if it had that, I'll go with the tudor....Tudor doesnt need to have a set back against any divers watch...great watch
Rolex is always perfect...dont ever buy anything ref value other than sport watch Rolexes...
Trying to decide if I should trade my Rolex Explorer 39mm and TudorBB burgundy metas for a Rolex Sub40mm date or 41mm sub no date. What do you think? Always wanted a sub.
@5:10 slow down buddy...we're on to the Rolex now.
I like Rolex and I actually own a couple of its SS sports models... However, brand fatigue is indeed real and I for one am experiencing some of it. There's just too much hype especially on the Daytonas and GMTs! Having said that, the "no date" is just pure love even with the controversial super case. 114060 for me in this battle. Keep it going, Tim. You're such a rockstar in the watch world!
It would be nice to see a comparison of the movements. General design, materials, tech and regulation. How do they compare?
As others here have mentioned, this comparison should of been between the Sub and the BB58. That Tudor would of made a stronger case for itself. As I also believe it’s overall, the best watch Tudor makes. And I would of chosen it over the Sub here. This BB is just too chunky for one thing, like many of Omega’s contemporary models, which puts me off them too. Still, this Sub is a fab watch as well, an icon.
Comparing a Tudor BB at Less than 50% of retail of the Submariner and the Rolex is unobtainable at retail unless you get on a waiting list and are lucky enough to get one within a year. Grey Market the Rolex is 12 thousand USD or more .... Cost and availability matter and the Tudor can be purchased at a discount from an authorized dealer without waiting lists and price gouging. I'm on waiting lists for a Submariner and GMT Master II but own a Black Bay , Black Bay GMT as well as a Pelagos.... The Pelagos bracelet should be on all Tudor watches .
Not a fan of the maxi case but I still love the sub! I own the BB and its a great watch, but I agree the sub wins here.
Tudor all day. Long. Then I'll pick up another watch OT two as well
Screw Rolex sheeps worst in the world
Tudor will creep up in price and become too expensive for most just like Rolex and Omega have. Luckily brands like Squale make fantastic solid well built divers for far less
To me the Rolex looks so much nicer and more refined than the Tudor. But I prefer my Sinn 104 over both of them, and to be honest, even over my SD4K :-/ I guess we like what we like, regardless of price or social desirability.
The Tudor is nice, but the submariner is in a whole other league. Personally, in the Tudor price range, I’d go with a Seamaster.
J B Omega is the beginning and the end...
SuperNeutronStar BIG mistake that you will regret
SuperNeutronStar, objectively speaking, I think it would be hard to conclude that the Tudor is technically a better made watch than a Seamaster.
Rolex is in another level. i own both Rolex and Omega watches
Ess tiger Tudor Ranger 🌹 1/3 the cost of a Rolex and it’s made by Rolex 😂
Tudor let’s GO🚼🚼🚼
I got this submariner 5 years ago best thing I ever done. It's been a brilliant watch and I will always keep it. Very interesting video bit I say Rolex all day long 👍
The ETA version is so much better - no rivets, thinner, rose dial...
krbcrwlr the BB58 with its much more compact dimensions, yet still with an in-house movement rather than an ETA is better still I reckon.
@@DavidDatura ETA is better.
David Datura I’m with you on this one. The BB58 movement got all the gains of the new BB movement vs the ETA (3 day PR, silicone hairspring, Chronometer, etc), but with the thickness of the ETA version. They really need to put it in the standard model and discontinue this movement.
@@gpearce11 yeah but the bracelet rivets are humiliating
Tudor BB58 or pre ceramic Sub 14060m?
@Frank Andreas Bauer the pre ceramic sub is going for more than double of the BB58. May be I wait till next April for more colours.
BB58
I'd go with the new Omega Seamaster 300 before I'd ever go with Tudor - always only little brother and vintage trend bound. The Omega has the arguably better movement than the still non-updated Rolex, same performance, same warranty and is pre-owned a true bargain with independent watchmaker credentials with the George Denials Co-Axial. This match here of Tudor vs Rolex was decided before it started, at the Rolex/Tudor HQ strategy meeting.
when u can afford a Rolex and own one then u know how much better a Rolex is. i have a couple of Omegas and Rolex. Rolex is in another level ! and much more luxuries
Ess tiger can you not read? Obviously I can afford a Rolex. I have zero interest in owning one. In the 1980’s & 90’s most in Dallas were fake. Omegas were not. I’m an Omega guy. I appreciate the Rolex quality but not interested in over paying. Tudor Ranger is everything a Rolex Explorer is for 1/3 the cost. It’s made by Rolex 🤣
The new 300m is pretty ugly though...if we're talking the previous generation, then yes i would rather have that over the tudor.
The new look of the Seamaster has never done anything for me, the cupcake escape valve, skelitonized hands, little too big, ceramic wave dial ahhhh. I want to love Omega in general because I know they make great watches but they are a mess, constant special editions, fo patina all over the place etc etc. Only watch they make I could see buying would be a speedy pro which is timeless like the Sub.
but it's also got that silly helium valve, dated skeleton hands and bracelet.
The better comparison would be the Tudor Black Bay 58 I think Tim. Why choose this variant?
Oh & you say Tudor Submariner when introducing the Rolex . As ever though Tim I love your work 👍🏻
Agreed on every point! Enjoyable video review, as ever, but a duel with the BB58 would offer interesting analysis of comparable form factors as well as the compelling value prop offered by the newer Tudor caliber.
If you want a Tudor, buy a Tudor. But if you truly want a Rolex, buy the Rolex. While Tudor is a sister company of Rolex, a Tudor is not a Rolex, period. If you buy the Tudor and you wanted the Rolex, you will still want the Rolex.
Some of your rivets are missing, Tim: and I am speaking literally, not metaphorically.
Thanks for the great video, I was really thinking about adding an older Tritium dial submariner to my collection, but I have a Black Bay Heritage.
I think I am more into getting the vintage sub, as it looks smaller, and has the tritium dial which is a big plus for me :)
I prefer the Rolex in this matchup for all the reasons Tim said. Tudor is a better watch dollar for dollar though. Tim, wouldn't it not be well advised to negotiate the crown with wet/sweaty hands RE: introducing water into the case? You always mention a gnarled crown as a plus for this reason.
I’m not in love with either, but I feel if I ever did fall for that design, I’d be more drawn to the Black Bay, simply because it does so almost as good as the Submariner for so much less. The Submariner is slightly-moderately better in basically every way (although I think I may prefer the BB aesthetically), but I do t find it 2x better in any of those respects.
There are only two issues for me with the BB. First and foremost, while I understand an aluminium insert is truer for a vintage aesthetic, if I can get a ceramic bezel on divers -$1000 (see Tissot Seastar 1000), I’m not willing to pay $3000+ without it. If the BB ever switched to a ceramic bezel I’d take the BB over the Sub every time (BB Steel partially solves this, but I’d prefer ceramic).
Secondly, and more subjective, they need to update the 41mm with the new, smaller, movement in the BB58 to bring the thickness down (my 8in wrists are the only reason I wouldn’t just get the BB58 instead).
Personally I’d take the Omega SM Diver 300M over either, as I feel it matches the Sub in almost every spec, yet is much closer to the BB in price (I also prefer to have a date, and despise the Rolex cyclops). I will admit, however, that both of these are aesthetically much more versatile than the more polarising Omega.
Also if money isn’t a factor at all, the Sub is definitely worth the extra money over the BB (I just don’t feel it warrants the extra cost if you still saving the funds).
Once you go Rolex can’t go Tudor
This is actually not true considering I own 3 Rolex but am buying my second Tudor.
I have a Rolex DJ and YM yet I'm in the market for BB58, Tudor is the future and is a more cool brand.
@@threehander I went down that road, I got my self a Black Bay 41 with a Blue dial. It was a really nice watch, good build quality and feel. But there was something missing from it and it felt just a bit to near to my No date Submariner and two tone Datejust 36. I traded the TUdor after 5 months for a Panerai Radiomir (PAM380). The Ranger could be something I would consider sometime and the Black Bay chrono is nice.
That’s all good guys the bb58 is probably the best Tudor I took a look at the Pelagos and just looked a little cheap
@@MrRoyck10 more cool brand? What are you, 12?
Toyota vs Lexus next?
The Rolex Submariner is the most iconic watch ever made.
No. That claim probably goes to the Cartier tank.
The Rolex Submariner and Oyster Perpetual, Omega Speedmaster Professional, Cartier Tank and Audemars Piguet Royal Oak are probably the only true “icons” of the watch industry.
There are others that come close, but these 5 can claim to have started or popularised entire segments of the watch industry.
@@trevbarlow9719 A tank over a Sub? LOLOLOLOL
@@galaga8834 Yes indeed, my friend. You see, you need to look at the entire history of horology. Remember, the question is not the most iconic watch of today, but rather of *all time*. The Tank was the original luxury, must-have watch since it's inception over 100 years ago. This is true for both men and women. Meanwhile, the sub has really only reached the iconic status it enjoys today about 30 years ago when it overtook the DateJust.
@@trevbarlow9719 Fair enough Trev. I take your point mate. But right now I think the Submariner is the greatest of them all.
I own both...great watches
5:09 This is the tudor submariner 😂
5:10 😂
Hahah! Just shows that they are in similar caliber, but certainly not in price.
1:25 Thanks for teaching me a new word, Tim.
Buwsur “Skeuomorphism” became less and less common after Tim fired Scott Forstall.
The Rolex no date submariner evokes a real feeling the Tudor is just another nice watch
eric martell surly you jest... You Rolex fan boys make me 😂
@@bonzerrrrr its not nice to be a hater and jealous of people that can afford a Rolex
Ess tiger 🤣 I have 5 Omega Watches & a Tudor Ranger. Could easily afford a Rolex. It took 8 years & 3 colleges but I got that degree so I’m smart enough not to waste my 💰 on a Rolex. Besides 80% of Rolex fan boys are dip shots 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
eric martell feeling of being ripped off! We buy time pieces to keep, to wear, to enjoy not to flip for car payments. We invested in stocks & retired a millionaire. That’s a lot of Rolexes to chase & flip 😁
Bonzer Wolf one day hopefully u can afford a Rolex.
I am choosing the Rolex Submariner. I like the Rolex modern and timeless design, I like the Rolex crown guard and I like the Rolex tough and reliable movement. The Rolex submariner doesn't lose a lot of value and is an heirloom watch. The Tudor design is to vintage and a sport diver watch deserve a crown guard. If I can't put a Rolex Submariner on a credit card I will gladly buy a Tudor Black Bay that is also created by the Rolex watch company.
ROLEX 💚
Just too tall
The Tudor is a great watch, no question. But it is no Submariner.
Rolex submariner because of the coin edge bezel, Tudor takes a backseat to nobody, respect that brand
Tudor really is having a hard time vs the sub. I believe that the Pelagos is an easier comparison to a sea dweller. Or rather a complementary to it.
Tudor is the 💣
Tudor man will have more style ! And more likely a better watch Collection! Rolex man will have tattoos and a gold chain and most likely one watch that he has no clue what movement it has !!!
Brett La Montre. That’s me Tudor and 11 more watches anyway for average man no one cares and only among watch freaks the Rolex, AP, PP, VC crap exists. Most average joes wear Seiko or Timex and think that’s more than enough.
Not a fan of Tudor/Rolex when they have watches that 'look' so much like each other. That's why the North Flag rules.
North flag is so cool