Medallions in zero build are not as worth it in my opinion. The healing is nice, but the smaller circle showing where you makes you much more vulnerable and almost not even worth it. People tend to drop their medallions espicially in endgame
They're not insane, but anyone calling them bad is just wrong. Even in a case where someone doesn't get the mythic with the medallion, while the regeneration is only to 50 shield and is only 2 a second, let's not act like that's bad. It just doesn't award the overly hyper aggressive playstyle and punishing defensive play styles, but rather balances it more, making W keying with it more risky, but also making it easier to fight against people with medallions. For more positioning based and defensive play, it rewards you for being able to keep your space, but if you get tagged for big damage, you aren't back to full in twenty seconds. Love the change
I like that the bosses are a little harder to kill. Prevents people from getting all the loot within 30 seconds and dipping. Ypu acctually have to clear the poi and have some decent weapons before you start killing them
I agree 💯 People dropping ON bosses blows my mind. You should not be able to finish a boss and their minions with that grey burst smg you find. And you can't. That high hp changes meta strats for the better
@@kingmeprime you still can definitely just drop on them, i always drop on peter and use the first 2 weapons i pick up to kill him, and quickly pick up the mythic and medalion before the NPCs finish me
@@KwikBR but some dude can just open two chests and third party you. In previous seasons with mythics, you could just kill the bot without anyone knowing, now the healthbar shows up and the boss heals and spawns more guards. I also think you are wrong because no way you can kill it with 50 smg bullets
@@JJ-mr3si from my experience, the last season with mythics, chapter 4 season 5 had alot more people third partying, with people even camping though this season as long as you kill the one or two people at the POI they die, and usually i pick up a grey weapon, kill an NPC or two, and with 3 grey weapons adding to about 70-80 ammo i kill the boss
@@JamesPlaysGames-tm5oe It's happened to me three times. Not that hard if you play extremely aggressive with a plan of moving as fast as you can to collect them all.
I think the problem is that some parts of the nerf are good but also the circle being smaller means you get focused constantly. I mean people will camp for 10 minutes just to snipe you. With snipers being as good as they are, I think this makes the medallion situation more complex. I think it’s completely a skill thing. Sadly, it widens the gap between skill levels.
the problem is the non boss npc like just the boss is fine but when there is 20 other npcs and they spawn some in, especially in early game ur getting sprayed. And u cant tell if ur abt to fight an npc or another player.
I think what happened is that epic games gave us a large piece of cake and then decided to now give us muffins. Obviously both are still good but one is better than the other and because we've already tasted the better one we think the new ones aren't worth it.
Sums what Epic does for every new item. Make it OP and in over abundance then nerf the shit out of it a few weeks later or remove it to "whenever" they can patch it. 🤣Appears it could a marketing strategy it occurs so regularily.
I'd say they're actually fairly balanced. For taking on a boss with 1500 HP, along with the NPC guards and whatever players also dropped with you, it's only fair you should get some good loot for all that trouble. I almost always drop a medallion spot, or near one. My favorite drop spot, if the bus is close enough, is the southern tower of the pool area west of Snooty Steppes. You can just dig down from the top floor and get full shields and some weapons for just breaking 3 wooden floors and a slurp barrel. After clearing out that pool, you can head east over the zip-line to Snooty and get The Peter Pumper and his medallion. Medallions are worth it, hands down in my opinion. Having regenerating shields is nothing to scoff at, even if it's just to 50%.
Not worth it, having to deal with the risk of killing the boss attracting players, being on the map, just for 50hp, shields are everywhere, you can go buy them at the vending machine. Not worth it.
I think a medaillon should be beneficial for any kind of player to carry since itˋs a mythic and hard to obtain. But for people who want to play defensively and not engage in a ton of fights, being this accurately marked on the map just constantly gets you sought out by aggressive creative warriors who then wrap each other up in a constant stream of third parties with you in the middle of it. That bit of shield regen does NOT make up for that whatsoever…
The issue with the bosses is even if you clear the POI people are going to push you from the surrounding areas. Please just make it to where in solos only 1 red guard spawns after the shield refresh. (Or none at all.)
@@zlikez always when im getting the boss im in a bad situation everywhere are enemies and usually when i get out of there someone is sitting on a bush with a sniper
Medallions are very good still but I think they should've had a different approach when nerfing them, instead of being able to carry 5 maybe you can only carry 1. The delay of how long it takes until it heals you when you take damage should still be a thing though
Medallions are still good and the mythic loot is still good it’s that killing the bosses leaves you vulnerable and people will be drawn to the gunfire you just become an easier kill most of the time
So far I don’t find it worth it. Fighting the boss wastes lots of ammo, and attracts people because of the shooting. The medallions are good, but it’s kind of tough to justify landing at them right now. I’d rather a system where they have a recharge of sorts. After it heals you 100 shield points, it goes on a ~1:30 recharge. Still gives you full shield but limits how much you can get in a certain time.
Absolutely agreed. I think when people see a nerf that is significant, they jump to the conclusion that the item becomes useless when it's really not the case. I mean... Passive healing? In a battle Royale game, especially in build mode because you can box yourself in, come on, that's super powerful on every level. The nerf was absolutely needed, it felt so frustrating to fight someone who basically had an infinite slurp, especially on long range fights, you either sniped them or you had a much harder time against them and that did not feel fair. Love the great content as always, keep up the great work!
I agree 100% if they came out this way people would say they are over powered. Still hugely beneficial and more balanced now, not to mention you get the mythic weapon and access to a workbench for weapon mods. I dont get them every game because i like to mix it up but definitely worth it. I do drop them some end games so people dont see the yellow circle rotating in and now my rotation area.
I still find it kinda hilarious that you can still regen that 50 shield while being downed. It's still nice to hunt down the bosses every now and then.
Bosses aren’t hard to kill. The only issue is the AIs are so aggressive and sound the same as normal players, you have no clue if you’re getting 3rd partied or not and you can’t fight the boss without getting 3rd partied and not noticing it
I’m a very casual fortnite player and I tend to not super mind overpowered stuff, but this medallion nerf was extremely welcomed by me. Previously it felt like you pretty much had to snipe a medallion holder or hit a max damage pump to truly contest them. Every time I’d see that medallion ping on the map I’d just feel this sense of dread, as I knew it was highly likely my game was about to end (it doesn’t help that I’m not the greatest fighter LOL), now I feel they’re quite balanced. They still give the holder an advantage, which is fine, they contested the boss, beat them and earned it, they should be rewarded. However now I feel as if I can still win a fight against them if I plan/play better, which is extremely welcomed.
@@luckychicken1563 You mean most of the playerbase? Casual players are what makes games, without them more than half of all games would be dead. Comp players are either just no lives or people who play comp for a living.
Personally I think they should’ve left the medallions as they were and just made them take up an inventory slot. I got my first win of the season against a guy with 4 (I had the other 1) pre-nerf. They were mainly op because there really wasn’t much of a trade off to picking 1 up (appearing on the map isn’t that bad, especially if you like fighting)
The potiential issue with previously medallions healing to full shields could be players "utilizating that strategic feature" to trading shots to feed storm surge without costing any shield resources and inventory slots i.e. minis/big pots etc. Similar to issues caused by Slurpy Swamp thou in this case not tied to being in a set location. If don't get hint it marks where they are so two with medallions know they're approaching each other and can trade shots in the knowledge their not griefing each other/helping each other.
The only thing they need to do is reduce the amount of time to kill because it takes so long that people just don’t want to take the boss first which just ends in a rat fest in the poi
i'd be interested in hearing your insight on the new movement; not just the changes themselves but how epic has handled criticism of it + how (unfortunately) immature a fair bit of the community has handled it
To add to the bosses being too much, I’ve been having random games (completely luck I’m pretty sure) where the boss and guards hit almost every shot and I’m not sure what causes it.
Same thing. 9/10 games no real issue then all of a sudden I'm about to die. The boss will sometimes throw a special weapon at you too like a boogie bomb or clingers. One time I was getting hit a lot then he throws a clinger and sticks it to me for 120 damage which killed me, it sucked lol
As someone whos the sniper in my squad I used ti always pack a medallion to ensure I could drop the other guy and not have to replenish my shields after every encounter or getting hit by an enemy sniper. I literally use them as bait now instead, since it tends to guarantee me a snipe kill or 2 when a squad comes to get it
i do agree that they are still useful, but not useful enough to warrant going somewhere with 10 other people at least, with no audio, and infinite bots that spray all your builds. its only worth to carry if you find one or kill someone with one, i just dont see it being useful enough to land on to get
Damn I wasn't expecting you making a video about my reddit post lol. To be honest I was in a bad mood that day and after getting shot from behind from a random player, I just went on reddit and posted a thread about it to see how people felt about it, I kinda get why people are calling it skill issue, its just me with ptsd from controller players, when i actually tested how many shots the bots actually get on me its very little unless im too close to the bot with a spray weapon, the noise is too much and that's an issue. Another point is that last i played the mythics bosses (midas,brutus and skye) were easy to kill, when i came back to fortnite og it was even easier to play, but with this incredibly different system its a bit difficult for me to tank.
Kinda 100% agreed about the video content! Great summary! For the BOSS FIGHT LOCATIONS i feel like they sould change to some sort of different visualized audio footstep icons ONLY FOR "'BOSS NPCs'" , would be great, but it is okay having the same VA footstep icons/signs for bot players. But since VA is kinda OP im not sure if am I right... (
I basically exclusively play zero build, and the strat is to only get one medallion (usually the one in reckless railways bc its near the spot with metal mouth, who for some reason confuses like everyone who goes for you bc they'll go for them while you can snipe them), and then track down everyone else with a medallion. The closest ive gotten is two from player kills and one from bosses, but its a good strat. plus they give mythics and mod benches (even tho you can find a mod bench in a random cruise ship with only one agent)
i feel like the only reason why it’s so easy to third party someone when there fighting the boss is cause of the music and so many guards. you get like 7 guards in your face, people sniping from above, people camping vault, people ready to beam you because you can’t hear anything cause of the music. going to the vault without people camping is difficult as well because of the other guards shooting and you can’t do anything
i'd say they're bad, not because they dont heal fast enough but mainly that the cost to risk is too high in the start of the season they were worth carrying bc they were a full sheild that instantly healed you as you took damage (op ngl) and the circle was bigger so it would be a bit of a search to look for a medal player if they had 1. but now if you carry 1 you not only still have to carry sheild anyway (just not as much), but now players will hunt you down, its easier to find you because the circles are smaller, and they dont really become worth carrying until you almost have them all, which almost never happens and only makes you a huge target since your circle is now tiny. they're not a bad item per say but its just not worth the risk vs the benifits of basically just having a infini-mini imo. its more about what the player wants to do agression wise i think
My problem is the storm speed getting a buff because I kill the boss but I’m scraping by for health items since for some reason they’re so much harder to find if you run out of bars to buy them
Use a sniper to kill bosses, its insanely effective especially since they just stand still 90% of the time. Also I’m pretty sure NPCs/AIs scale their accuracy based on the opponent speed, so literally stand still, and you will get hit like once after 10seconds, even with 10 of the bots on you.
Here’s a thing I’m surprised i don’t see when i’m landing at Glacier,there’s a small motel with at most 4 chests and a bunch of floor loot with a manhole leading to directly in front of the vault.
I think my only complaint about the medallions is how the shield while having them scales. If I remember correctly it takes all 5 to get to full shield with them which I feel like is too many required. And I think they reduce the amount of AI spawned by the boss by 2.
I have no idea whose idea it was it make music blare through the whole POI while trying to kill the boss but it was stupid. Just makes it super easy to jump the team killing the boss, as if dealing with the boss and the minions wasn’t bad enough. Also the shield is a joke I can’t believe they thought that was a good idea either.
I think the nerf should've been that medalions heal you 50 shield max BUT you can use your minis after (so it would heal 50-100 shield and you could heal 0-50 with whatever u wanted to). I feel like medalions are now just glorified minis which take longer to heal u to 50 shield.
Your comment makes too much sense. I feel like they would be more useful that way because you're gaining what you lost (up to 50) however, if I lose 30 the medallion is technically worthless. Therefore it's better to not be hunted and just drop it or use it as bait.@@zebo7577
I'm fine with the nerf, winning a vault for the high tier loot including the boss weapon's AND workbench pretty much meant you were set for the rest of the game guns wise and the medal made you set meds wise cause you didn't need shields and could replace it with movement items so you can run away for free shields again.
i feel like the old medallions definitely needed a nerf. but epic nerfed it way too much and for your location to be exposed to i dont see the worth. maybe if they put it back to 100 and maybe like 4 hp or so per second it would be balanced and still competitive to get
that would be a buff from previously, it was only 3 hp per tick. i think if they added the delay, and slightly reduced the speed from the og it would be good
I dont mind the bosses themselves, though it does get annoying when they summon 10 henchmen all spraying dealing with other players and then the bots for a mid at most reward, now i just kill the bosses for their weapon and use the medal for the vault, dropping the medal immediately afterwards. imo its not bad, but its not worth being doxed on the map, especially when the circle gets smaller and smaller and placement matters all the more.
if you think about it, if you told players that killing a boss could give you an extra shield slot that would give you infinite minis, and the more bosses you killed the better shields you could get, they would easily understand how good it is now, and especially just how balanced it is now.
Me and friend maybe be skill issued but the bots mainly at fencing will get me to like 50 health from 150 and after that they never hit you that much. No clue why. (Same for my friend)
My problem with the nerd is it takes longer to get 50 shield, so I might as well pop minis since it's faster, but b4 I could do that and then heal 50 more shield from the medallion, now I gotta choose one or the other
carrying a medalion would be worth it but being revealed on the map for just 2 shield per second and up to 50 is just garbage i dont land on them anymore, i just pick them up when i kill a person with a medalion
This is what I hate about balance patches nowadays. The wrong items get nerfed into the ground. Like, why did they nerf the medallions so much? The cluster clinger shouldve been nerfed like that instead!
The only time where i would drop a medallion is in pubs when im running away from a team when im in a 2 v 1 situation and they will keep tracking me down if i do not drop the medallion. And even then, I still debate whether or not to drop it.
I land and kill the boss open vault drop medalion because at this point all it does is show my location but i can still set up a sniper to my preference and the thing is the medalions take like 20 years just to start healing
love your vids reiss, is there a chance you could make a video about how to avoid fights while still getting points since every time i play a cash cup a zero ping player takes my wall cones me and then i get one-pumped. (im 90 ping and 40-60 fps)
Since chapter 2 season 2 i've always enjoyed landing at boss pois as a very casual player. i do agree that they were too weak and could easily be killed within seconds of landing, so it's honestly not a bad change. but it was somewhat justified since you still had to fight your way through the poi to access the vault, so it the chances of taking the boss loot and just running wasn't too much of a problem. by making the bosses a lot stronger makes the whole process of looting a boss poi more consistent in my opinion, since you basically are required to deal with all the players before fighting the boss and opening the vault. the bosses are also more rewarding now which makes it more worth it overall.
I almost feel like Epic did all the potential nerfs because they were about to go on their winter break so they'd rather leave it overnerfed and disappoint some people than leave them too overpowered and frustrate people to the point that maybe they quit because Epic doesn't furter update it until after the break. Reisshub makes good points since they don't take up an inventory slot and are still strong/free heals. I'm not sure if this is the balance that should stick, but probably the only thing I might change at the current state is the size of the medallion circle being as small as it is for the current strength feels like a trade off that might not be worth it. Before it was the "best" players walking out with them, if not immediately, by mid-game, but the smaller circle makes you a target without necessarily the shield to justify it. Now that it doesn't heal you immediately, it is almost better on the otherside to let the enemy hold onto them to track them into endgame and pounce at the right opportunity, grabbing medallions when the tracking matters far less and the healing might matter more.
i think theyre still really good for people that know how to fully utilize it, but i feel like the general playerbase wouldnt know how to get much value out of it. but thats fine
They aren’t even worth picking up anymore. With how small the range is of where you are on the map and how little they now do to actually protect you makes them not worth at alp
I think the real problem with the bosses is the boss's healing and the guards. The boss's can heal them selves litteraly all their shields instantly, whilst it takes players a long time. This gives the boss's an unfair advantage cuz they can heal instantly and regain all their sheilds leaving players on low health unable to heal. Plus with the guards you can end up in a full 1v6 with multiple people shooting at you leaving hardly any time to heal or reload your weapons. I think the best thing Epic can do to make the boss's better is make the boss's healing take as much time as a regular player, and remove the ability to spawn in more guards
Its very easy to say it's a skill issue when you spend your time analyzing pro's. But please keep in mind that the only thing keeping the game is alive is the millions of casuals or "wannabe" pro's playing, that are having troubles with things like killing bosses and stuff.
i think this is a situation where competitive balancing has made casual play much more boring. the medallions were busted before, they needed a nerf, but now they feel boring, and just. less fun to use, as a casual player.
I think the old medallions were very op but the new ones are a tiny bit weak but for me its almost in that sweet spot where its not too powerful but not to weak
okay you kinda changed my mind on them, i was like okay they are just useless now and no point in taking them anymore but you make the good point that, its just a free bonus that doesnt take an inventory slot, so it is still actually kinda worth taking
I do think the shield regen nerf made sense, pretty sure before if you had all the medallions it would be 10 per second which kinda makes you pseudo unkillable
i think the issue is ppl miss how broken it was and how over powered you get. like if you got one for each squad member ya were guaranteed to win the game long as you were good and it helped your chances of winning and ez game n still being a bot
i don’t believe bosses/ henchmen belong in the game. the ones around the map that sell items are fine as long as they aren’t exotics or mythic weapons ( heals like exotic splashes are fine) but nods that you can hire don’t belong in the game either.
For me I just manage to get absolutely beamed if I don’t kill the bots as well as the boss so even though the boss isn’t too difficult I end up having to kill most of the bots or risk getting screwed over
Honestly after the nerf I just open the vault loot and upgrade weapons and then drop the medallions as they are not worth anymore cause the nerf not only nerfed the shield it made it easier to pinpoint your location with just one medallions. If the had kept the tracking area bigger I might kept using the medallions with the shield nerf
I feel like the medallions arent really that needed but you probally should go for them because when you kill a boss it drops the mythic as well as the medallion so if your gonna get the mythic you might as well get the medallion too
The medallions aren’t bad, but they aren’t worth fighting the bosses anymore. Anyone can 3rd party you and once you have it, there’s no point to suppressed snipers.
It's true strength was healing very quickly and not having to carry big pots to get 100 shield, now they alone are useless, if you got 6 minies, it's better to just use them to open vaults
The bosses aren’t hard there’s just to many soldiers with them if u didn’t take the time to take them all out before worrying about the boss but it’s a fine line between easy and annoying because if they weren’t there the bosses wouldn’t really be a boss but if u ignore them and they actually choose to have aim for once they’ll spay you down simultaneously doing substantial damage and like he said in the video if u go through the hole song and dance of taking them all out before the boss it’s really time consuming
the can't hear part is so true, I killed a team then went to reboot my girlfriend and some dude rammed a car into a box my box literally no audio of the car coming and by the time I even noticed they were already in my face.
Reiisshub i got a question do every modes have same render distances ( if you dont change any settings ) and is a console's locked render the same as PC's optional ones if good enough specs can handle it as i got to know tht in creative you can shoot trough walls with a sniper and creative is a bit different then battle royale so im curious by the way here is a clip ( replies of this ) so to show you 2 pov's of what it looks and ignore me missing on one of the pov's 😅
I hate the bosses, I found that the best strategy to use in those poi’s is to camp, whenever someone tries to go for the boss some random dude hiding in the corner goes and kills the guy, is solos that is is squads I don’t min the bosses
At first I thought they were too difficult too, but im a big noob. A few days of practice and now I'm face to face with the boss, almost kissing it, and I spray it to death. I may side step once to the left and once to the right ever so slightly but that's it.... hate to say it guys cuz I'm a big noob too, but they're rather easy to kill....
I have no idea how Epic games (actually I have an idea - its an imbecile company) doesnt implement obviously rational changes - everybody uses visual audio now and they should make NPC icons different color to differentiate what you are actually hearing. Just that trivial change would make everything IMMENSELY less chaotic and controlled.
@@Kryxx07 No, I meant the icon on the visual audio circle - every icon is always white but making NPC footstep icons red, for example, would make an immense difference. In that case you would actually be aware that theres a player around you if you saw a regular white icon and get cautious and ready instead of getting jumped completely unexpectedly while fighting against a boss + 17 bots + constantly reloading your weapons + unwillingly listening to the loudest music ever created. Your suggestion would be effective at long range tho when the visual audio doesnt show the footsteps but its not even remotely as significant as such a trivial change I mentioned.
Droping somewhere with 20 bots 15 other players and a boss that regenerates a full bar of shield is too much for only 50 shield. Like after the update i forgot i had the meddalion and popped minies which is also way faster now with the delay. Id say they should make it go up to 100 but make the regeneration slow, only like 2 per second so its balanced.
I think the change was good because medallions were way too overpowered before. Even if I thought the medallions were bad now I would still Nisha and Peter Griffon for the mythic. But I think the medallions are still good because instead of having to carry minis and big pots you just carry big pots and merits. Unless yuh ou have all 5 than you would carry just medkits.
Medallions in zero build are not as worth it in my opinion. The healing is nice, but the smaller circle showing where you makes you much more vulnerable and almost not even worth it. People tend to drop their medallions espicially in endgame
Big facts, but people are gonna ignore this as a legitimate point and just pretend the nerf was needed
Ok but mod bench
Zero build is just camping sniper simulator right now
Yup pretty much. The delay on healing was a good change imo but its not worth it in hindsight. If it was 75 shield maybe
Wait, there's a way to drop the medallion?
They nerfed the medallions yet we still got half the lobby trynna jump you whenever you start shooting Peter
I had someone come behind me, crouched, with a riot shield out. Am I really THAT scary while fighting a boss and 8 NPCs?
They're not insane, but anyone calling them bad is just wrong. Even in a case where someone doesn't get the mythic with the medallion, while the regeneration is only to 50 shield and is only 2 a second, let's not act like that's bad. It just doesn't award the overly hyper aggressive playstyle and punishing defensive play styles, but rather balances it more, making W keying with it more risky, but also making it easier to fight against people with medallions. For more positioning based and defensive play, it rewards you for being able to keep your space, but if you get tagged for big damage, you aren't back to full in twenty seconds. Love the change
Well put dude!
@@ReisshubExtra Thanks, man! Means a lot to hear from a professional analyst.
Nice Explanation
@@ReisshubExtrahi 😅 😅 😊 😊
I ain’t reading allat
I like that the bosses are a little harder to kill. Prevents people from getting all the loot within 30 seconds and dipping. Ypu acctually have to clear the poi and have some decent weapons before you start killing them
facts, runners are the worst kinds of players in fortnite and kinda ruin the fun of the game
I agree 💯
People dropping ON bosses blows my mind. You should not be able to finish a boss and their minions with that grey burst smg you find. And you can't. That high hp changes meta strats for the better
@@kingmeprime you still can definitely just drop on them, i always drop on peter and use the first 2 weapons i pick up to kill him, and quickly pick up the mythic and medalion before the NPCs finish me
@@KwikBR but some dude can just open two chests and third party you. In previous seasons with mythics, you could just kill the bot without anyone knowing, now the healthbar shows up and the boss heals and spawns more guards. I also think you are wrong because no way you can kill it with 50 smg bullets
@@JJ-mr3si from my experience, the last season with mythics, chapter 4 season 5 had alot more people third partying, with people even camping though this season as long as you kill the one or two people at the POI they die, and usually i pick up a grey weapon, kill an NPC or two, and with 3 grey weapons adding to about 70-80 ammo i kill the boss
3-4+ medallion is still really good. But it’s very hard to justify pushing for them at their drop location. To chaotic and sound makes it really bad.
Lets be real, the chances of having all of the medallions are very low.
@@JamesPlaysGames-tm5oe It's happened to me three times. Not that hard if you play extremely aggressive with a plan of moving as fast as you can to collect them all.
ive had all 5 about 6-7 times, 3+ is common once you get one quickly@@JamesPlaysGames-tm5oe
nice scarlxrd pfp
I bushcamp😊
The medallions should give over-shield, this would be the most viable version.
One = 20 over-shield
2 = 30, 3 = 40, 4 = 45, 5 = 50
that would be cool
I like that idea, medallions essentially giving you the Zero build shield so you still have to carry minis+bigs to get to 100 shield as well
That's way too broken you'd just rush and out gun anyone
I think the problem is that some parts of the nerf are good but also the circle being smaller means you get focused constantly. I mean people will camp for 10 minutes just to snipe you. With snipers being as good as they are, I think this makes the medallion situation more complex. I think it’s completely a skill thing. Sadly, it widens the gap between skill levels.
A solution could be that the medallion also increases total HP by 10
@@zakkarystory2352 that would actually be a super good solution ngl
the problem is the non boss npc like just the boss is fine but when there is 20 other npcs and they spawn some in, especially in early game ur getting sprayed. And u cant tell if ur abt to fight an npc or another player.
I think what happened is that epic games gave us a large piece of cake and then decided to now give us muffins. Obviously both are still good but one is better than the other and because we've already tasted the better one we think the new ones aren't worth it.
Great analogy man
Sums what Epic does for every new item. Make it OP and in over abundance then nerf the shit out of it a few weeks later or remove it to "whenever" they can patch it. 🤣Appears it could a marketing strategy it occurs so regularily.
Honestly I don’t see it more as muffins but more like cupcakes,It’s like big pots and minis.
I'd say they're actually fairly balanced. For taking on a boss with 1500 HP, along with the NPC guards and whatever players also dropped with you, it's only fair you should get some good loot for all that trouble. I almost always drop a medallion spot, or near one. My favorite drop spot, if the bus is close enough, is the southern tower of the pool area west of Snooty Steppes. You can just dig down from the top floor and get full shields and some weapons for just breaking 3 wooden floors and a slurp barrel. After clearing out that pool, you can head east over the zip-line to Snooty and get The Peter Pumper and his medallion. Medallions are worth it, hands down in my opinion. Having regenerating shields is nothing to scoff at, even if it's just to 50%.
I love the pool house rotation too
They benefited good players extremely before the change, now they are just kind of ok. Having 2+ medallions was so fun being almost invincible
who asked
the sypherpk drop spot
"The Peter Pumper" pfft.
Not worth it, having to deal with the risk of killing the boss attracting players, being on the map, just for 50hp, shields are everywhere, you can go buy them at the vending machine. Not worth it.
I think a medaillon should be beneficial for any kind of player to carry since itˋs a mythic and hard to obtain. But for people who want to play defensively and not engage in a ton of fights, being this accurately marked on the map just constantly gets you sought out by aggressive creative warriors who then wrap each other up in a constant stream of third parties with you in the middle of it. That bit of shield regen does NOT make up for that whatsoever…
The issue with the bosses is even if you clear the POI people are going to push you from the surrounding areas. Please just make it to where in solos only 1 red guard spawns after the shield refresh. (Or none at all.)
skill issue *
@@zlikez you play ranked?
@@zlikez always when im getting the boss im in a bad situation everywhere are enemies and usually when i get out of there someone is sitting on a bush with a sniper
skill issue@@miskafi3815
Medallions are very good still but I think they should've had a different approach when nerfing them, instead of being able to carry 5 maybe you can only carry 1. The delay of how long it takes until it heals you when you take damage should still be a thing though
they should’ve made it so that medallions are actual items that take up a slot in your inventory
Medallions are still good and the mythic loot is still good it’s that killing the bosses leaves you vulnerable and people will be drawn to the gunfire you just become an easier kill most of the time
So far I don’t find it worth it. Fighting the boss wastes lots of ammo, and attracts people because of the shooting. The medallions are good, but it’s kind of tough to justify landing at them right now.
I’d rather a system where they have a recharge of sorts. After it heals you 100 shield points, it goes on a ~1:30 recharge. Still gives you full shield but limits how much you can get in a certain time.
Absolutely agreed. I think when people see a nerf that is significant, they jump to the conclusion that the item becomes useless when it's really not the case. I mean... Passive healing? In a battle Royale game, especially in build mode because you can box yourself in, come on, that's super powerful on every level.
The nerf was absolutely needed, it felt so frustrating to fight someone who basically had an infinite slurp, especially on long range fights, you either sniped them or you had a much harder time against them and that did not feel fair.
Love the great content as always, keep up the great work!
It feels less worth it to get marked on the map to where you can get focused by people for it to heal slowly
I agree 100% if they came out this way people would say they are over powered. Still hugely beneficial and more balanced now, not to mention you get the mythic weapon and access to a workbench for weapon mods.
I dont get them every game because i like to mix it up but definitely worth it. I do drop them some end games so people dont see the yellow circle rotating in and now my rotation area.
I still find it kinda hilarious that you can still regen that 50 shield while being downed. It's still nice to hunt down the bosses every now and then.
Bosses aren’t hard to kill. The only issue is the AIs are so aggressive and sound the same as normal players, you have no clue if you’re getting 3rd partied or not and you can’t fight the boss without getting 3rd partied and not noticing it
I’m a very casual fortnite player and I tend to not super mind overpowered stuff, but this medallion nerf was extremely welcomed by me. Previously it felt like you pretty much had to snipe a medallion holder or hit a max damage pump to truly contest them. Every time I’d see that medallion ping on the map I’d just feel this sense of dread, as I knew it was highly likely my game was about to end (it doesn’t help that I’m not the greatest fighter LOL), now I feel they’re quite balanced. They still give the holder an advantage, which is fine, they contested the boss, beat them and earned it, they should be rewarded. However now I feel as if I can still win a fight against them if I plan/play better, which is extremely welcomed.
Ew casual players🤢
@@luckychicken1563 You mean most of the playerbase? Casual players are what makes games, without them more than half of all games would be dead. Comp players are either just no lives or people who play comp for a living.
@@luckychicken1563ew unemployed, never touches grass players 😂 foh🤡
@@xotica7487 who are you?
Personally I think they should’ve left the medallions as they were and just made them take up an inventory slot. I got my first win of the season against a guy with 4 (I had the other 1) pre-nerf. They were mainly op because there really wasn’t much of a trade off to picking 1 up (appearing on the map isn’t that bad, especially if you like fighting)
The potiential issue with previously medallions healing to full shields could be players "utilizating that strategic feature" to trading shots to feed storm surge without costing any shield resources and inventory slots i.e. minis/big pots etc. Similar to issues caused by Slurpy Swamp thou in this case not tied to being in a set location. If don't get hint it marks where they are so two with medallions know they're approaching each other and can trade shots in the knowledge their not griefing each other/helping each other.
The only thing they need to do is reduce the amount of time to kill because it takes so long that people just don’t want to take the boss first which just ends in a rat fest in the poi
i'd be interested in hearing your insight on the new movement; not just the changes themselves but how epic has handled criticism of it + how (unfortunately) immature a fair bit of the community has handled it
To add to the bosses being too much, I’ve been having random games (completely luck I’m pretty sure) where the boss and guards hit almost every shot and I’m not sure what causes it.
brother i found somebody relatable. i swear peter griffin gets max headshots sometimes
Same thing. 9/10 games no real issue then all of a sudden I'm about to die. The boss will sometimes throw a special weapon at you too like a boogie bomb or clingers. One time I was getting hit a lot then he throws a clinger and sticks it to me for 120 damage which killed me, it sucked lol
fortnite players when they forget they can build
@@user-ck9hk4jw4midiots when they forget guns break builds
@@drillnewsandclips3798 🤦♀
As someone whos the sniper in my squad I used ti always pack a medallion to ensure I could drop the other guy and not have to replenish my shields after every encounter or getting hit by an enemy sniper.
I literally use them as bait now instead, since it tends to guarantee me a snipe kill or 2 when a squad comes to get it
i do agree that they are still useful, but not useful enough to warrant going somewhere with 10 other people at least, with no audio, and infinite bots that spray all your builds. its only worth to carry if you find one or kill someone with one, i just dont see it being useful enough to land on to get
Damn I wasn't expecting you making a video about my reddit post lol. To be honest I was in a bad mood that day and after getting shot from behind from a random player, I just went on reddit and posted a thread about it to see how people felt about it, I kinda get why people are calling it skill issue, its just me with ptsd from controller players, when i actually tested how many shots the bots actually get on me its very little unless im too close to the bot with a spray weapon, the noise is too much and that's an issue. Another point is that last i played the mythics bosses (midas,brutus and skye) were easy to kill, when i came back to fortnite og it was even easier to play, but with this incredibly different system its a bit difficult for me to tank.
Kinda 100% agreed about the video content! Great summary! For the BOSS FIGHT LOCATIONS i feel like they sould change to some sort of different visualized audio footstep icons ONLY FOR "'BOSS NPCs'" , would be great, but it is okay having the same VA footstep icons/signs for bot players. But since VA is kinda OP im not sure if am I right... (
I basically exclusively play zero build, and the strat is to only get one medallion (usually the one in reckless railways bc its near the spot with metal mouth, who for some reason confuses like everyone who goes for you bc they'll go for them while you can snipe them), and then track down everyone else with a medallion. The closest ive gotten is two from player kills and one from bosses, but its a good strat. plus they give mythics and mod benches (even tho you can find a mod bench in a random cruise ship with only one agent)
i feel like the only reason why it’s so easy to third party someone when there fighting the boss is cause of the music and so many guards. you get like 7 guards in your face, people sniping from above, people camping vault, people ready to beam you because you can’t hear anything cause of the music. going to the vault without people camping is difficult as well because of the other guards shooting and you can’t do anything
what people also underestimate is how much better those people are at those kinda spots
i'd say they're bad, not because they dont heal fast enough but mainly that the cost to risk is too high
in the start of the season they were worth carrying bc they were a full sheild that instantly healed you as you took damage (op ngl) and the circle was bigger so it would be a bit of a search to look for a medal player if they had 1.
but now if you carry 1 you not only still have to carry sheild anyway (just not as much), but now players will hunt you down, its easier to find you because the circles are smaller, and they dont really become worth carrying until you almost have them all, which almost never happens and only makes you a huge target since your circle is now tiny.
they're not a bad item per say but its just not worth the risk vs the benifits of basically just having a infini-mini imo.
its more about what the player wants to do agression wise i think
Love your video's man, great stuff keep it up
Part of the reason the OG season was fun, was because there was no mythics
My problem is the storm speed getting a buff because I kill the boss but I’m scraping by for health items since for some reason they’re so much harder to find if you run out of bars to buy them
Use a sniper to kill bosses, its insanely effective especially since they just stand still 90% of the time.
Also I’m pretty sure NPCs/AIs scale their accuracy based on the opponent speed, so literally stand still, and you will get hit like once after 10seconds, even with 10 of the bots on you.
I have found that standing still is NOT the answer to avoid getting shot by NPCs, heheh.
that quote at the end was awesome ❤️
Here’s a thing I’m surprised i don’t see when i’m landing at Glacier,there’s a small motel with at most 4 chests and a bunch of floor loot with a manhole leading to directly in front of the vault.
I think my only complaint about the medallions is how the shield while having them scales. If I remember correctly it takes all 5 to get to full shield with them which I feel like is too many required. And I think they reduce the amount of AI spawned by the boss by 2.
"comparison is the thief of joy" this just struck me to my core
I have no idea whose idea it was it make music blare through the whole POI while trying to kill the boss but it was stupid. Just makes it super easy to jump the team killing the boss, as if dealing with the boss and the minions wasn’t bad enough.
Also the shield is a joke I can’t believe they thought that was a good idea either.
I think the nerf should've been that medalions heal you 50 shield max BUT you can use your minis after (so it would heal 50-100 shield and you could heal 0-50 with whatever u wanted to). I feel like medalions are now just glorified minis which take longer to heal u to 50 shield.
I just wish it healed 50 shield and not only up to 50 shield so if I took 30 shield damage I would heal it back to full
Your comment makes too much sense. I feel like they would be more useful that way because you're gaining what you lost (up to 50) however, if I lose 30 the medallion is technically worthless. Therefore it's better to not be hunted and just drop it or use it as bait.@@zebo7577
In earlier seasons it was worth killing strong bosses for mythics and now you get like 4x more stuff so its still worth
I think one thing that balances the berf is that it is hard to see the circle that marks them on the map now
I'm fine with the nerf, winning a vault for the high tier loot including the boss weapon's AND workbench pretty much meant you were set for the rest of the game guns wise and the medal made you set meds wise cause you didn't need shields and could replace it with movement items so you can run away for free shields again.
i feel like the old medallions definitely needed a nerf. but epic nerfed it way too much and for your location to be exposed to i dont see the worth. maybe if they put it back to 100 and maybe like 4 hp or so per second it would be balanced and still competitive to get
that would be a buff from previously, it was only 3 hp per tick. i think if they added the delay, and slightly reduced the speed from the og it would be good
huh?
Make it take an inventory slot and heal up to 100
@@AugustleFPS wdym huh? It was pretty clear what I meant
@@jaymsfv the original one was decent just a little nerf was all that was needed epic over did it and ruined the medallion
I dont mind the bosses themselves, though it does get annoying when they summon 10 henchmen all spraying dealing with other players and then the bots for a mid at most reward, now i just kill the bosses for their weapon and use the medal for the vault, dropping the medal immediately afterwards. imo its not bad, but its not worth being doxed on the map, especially when the circle gets smaller and smaller and placement matters all the more.
While the bosses only summon 2, the amount of henchmen that come from the surrounding area makes it absolute chaos!
To say that they are not worth picking up is such an insane statement
if you think about it, if you told players that killing a boss could give you an extra shield slot that would give you infinite minis, and the more bosses you killed the better shields you could get, they would easily understand how good it is now, and especially just how balanced it is now.
Me and friend maybe be skill issued but the bots mainly at fencing will get me to like 50 health from 150 and after that they never hit you that much. No clue why. (Same for my friend)
My problem with the nerd is it takes longer to get 50 shield, so I might as well pop minis since it's faster, but b4 I could do that and then heal 50 more shield from the medallion, now I gotta choose one or the other
carrying a medalion would be worth it but being revealed on the map for just 2 shield per second and up to 50 is just garbage
i dont land on them anymore, i just pick them up when i kill a person with a medalion
It might be a skill issue but at reckless railways the bot comes with at least 20 other bots and u get sprayed and vulnerable :(
This is what I hate about balance patches nowadays. The wrong items get nerfed into the ground. Like, why did they nerf the medallions so much? The cluster clinger shouldve been nerfed like that instead!
The only time where i would drop a medallion is in pubs when im running away from a team when im in a 2 v 1 situation and they will keep tracking me down if i do not drop the medallion. And even then, I still debate whether or not to drop it.
I land and kill the boss open vault drop medalion because at this point all it does is show my location but i can still set up a sniper to my preference and the thing is the medalions take like 20 years just to start healing
love your vids reiss, is there a chance you could make a video about how to avoid fights while still getting points since every time i play a cash cup a zero ping player takes my wall cones me and then i get one-pumped. (im 90 ping and 40-60 fps)
Since chapter 2 season 2 i've always enjoyed landing at boss pois as a very casual player. i do agree that they were too weak and could easily be killed within seconds of landing, so it's honestly not a bad change. but it was somewhat justified since you still had to fight your way through the poi to access the vault, so it the chances of taking the boss loot and just running wasn't too much of a problem. by making the bosses a lot stronger makes the whole process of looting a boss poi more consistent in my opinion, since you basically are required to deal with all the players before fighting the boss and opening the vault. the bosses are also more rewarding now which makes it more worth it overall.
medallions- worth it
fighting boss- not worth it
I almost feel like Epic did all the potential nerfs because they were about to go on their winter break so they'd rather leave it overnerfed and disappoint some people than leave them too overpowered and frustrate people to the point that maybe they quit because Epic doesn't furter update it until after the break.
Reisshub makes good points since they don't take up an inventory slot and are still strong/free heals.
I'm not sure if this is the balance that should stick, but probably the only thing I might change at the current state is the size of the medallion circle being as small as it is for the current strength feels like a trade off that might not be worth it. Before it was the "best" players walking out with them, if not immediately, by mid-game, but the smaller circle makes you a target without necessarily the shield to justify it. Now that it doesn't heal you immediately, it is almost better on the otherside to let the enemy hold onto them to track them into endgame and pounce at the right opportunity, grabbing medallions when the tracking matters far less and the healing might matter more.
i think theyre still really good for people that know how to fully utilize it, but i feel like the general playerbase wouldnt know how to get much value out of it. but thats fine
When the Augments come back i feel like the medalions might need a buff
They aren’t even worth picking up anymore. With how small the range is of where you are on the map and how little they now do to actually protect you makes them not worth at alp
I think the real problem with the bosses is the boss's healing and the guards. The boss's can heal them selves litteraly all their shields instantly, whilst it takes players a long time. This gives the boss's an unfair advantage cuz they can heal instantly and regain all their sheilds leaving players on low health unable to heal.
Plus with the guards you can end up in a full 1v6 with multiple people shooting at you leaving hardly any time to heal or reload your weapons.
I think the best thing Epic can do to make the boss's better is make the boss's healing take as much time as a regular player, and remove the ability to spawn in more guards
Its very easy to say it's a skill issue when you spend your time analyzing pro's. But please keep in mind that the only thing keeping the game is alive is the millions of casuals or "wannabe" pro's playing, that are having troubles with things like killing bosses and stuff.
i think this is a situation where competitive balancing has made casual play much more boring. the medallions were busted before, they needed a nerf, but now they feel boring, and just. less fun to use, as a casual player.
I think the old medallions were very op but the new ones are a tiny bit weak but for me its almost in that sweet spot where its not too powerful but not to weak
okay you kinda changed my mind on them, i was like okay they are just useless now and no point in taking them anymore but you make the good point that, its just a free bonus that doesnt take an inventory slot, so it is still actually kinda worth taking
I do think the shield regen nerf made sense, pretty sure before if you had all the medallions it would be 10 per second which kinda makes you pseudo unkillable
Personally. Epic should make the bosses to be very hard to kill in rank/cups and easy in non rank and non cups and audio to be 50% less
i think the issue is ppl miss how broken it was and how over powered you get. like if you got one for each squad member ya were guaranteed to win the game long as you were good and it helped your chances of winning and ez game n still being a bot
i don’t believe bosses/ henchmen belong in the game. the ones around the map that sell items are fine as long as they aren’t exotics or mythic weapons ( heals like exotic splashes are fine) but nods that you can hire don’t belong in the game either.
For me I just manage to get absolutely beamed if I don’t kill the bots as well as the boss so even though the boss isn’t too difficult I end up having to kill most of the bots or risk getting screwed over
it’s just that we need something to hard counter the damn cluster clinger’s
the vault with the modbench, weapon cases, and the blue chests make it worth it in the end!
Honestly after the nerf I just open the vault loot and upgrade weapons and then drop the medallions as they are not worth anymore cause the nerf not only nerfed the shield it made it easier to pinpoint your location with just one medallions.
If the had kept the tracking area bigger I might kept using the medallions with the shield nerf
I do think some bosses such as Peter Griffin are to hard to beat so it's not really worth it but that might just be me.
Free passive shield regen that don’t take up inventory will never be bad
I feel like the medallions arent really that needed but you probally should go for them because when you kill a boss it drops the mythic as well as the medallion so if your gonna get the mythic you might as well get the medallion too
The medallions aren’t bad, but they aren’t worth fighting the bosses anymore. Anyone can 3rd party you and once you have it, there’s no point to suppressed snipers.
It's true strength was healing very quickly and not having to carry big pots to get 100 shield, now they alone are useless, if you got 6 minies, it's better to just use them to open vaults
I personally think they should change medallions to be siphon instead of automatic, or maybe some medallions are siphon some are auto
Having a medallion is like asking to be focused, W key'd, and third partied
The bosses aren’t hard there’s just to many soldiers with them if u didn’t take the time to take them all out before worrying about the boss but it’s a fine line between easy and annoying because if they weren’t there the bosses wouldn’t really be a boss but if u ignore them and they actually choose to have aim for once they’ll spay you down simultaneously doing substantial damage and like he said in the video if u go through the hole song and dance of taking them all out before the boss it’s really time consuming
the can't hear part is so true, I killed a team then went to reboot my girlfriend and some dude rammed a car into a box my box literally no audio of the car coming and by the time I even noticed they were already in my face.
Keep the 3 second wait time after taking damage but at least bring it back to 100 max shield
Reiisshub i got a question
do every modes have same render distances ( if you dont change any settings ) and is a console's locked render the same as PC's optional ones if good enough specs can handle it
as i got to know tht in creative you can shoot trough walls with a sniper and creative is a bit different then battle royale so im curious
by the way here is a clip ( replies of this ) so to show you 2 pov's of what it looks and ignore me missing on one of the pov's 😅
I hate the bosses, I found that the best strategy to use in those poi’s is to camp, whenever someone tries to go for the boss some random dude hiding in the corner goes and kills the guy, is solos that is is squads I don’t min the bosses
I rly like that the audio is the way it is and after all noone says u have to go to mythic poi so if you don't like it just don't go there?
At first I thought they were too difficult too, but im a big noob. A few days of practice and now I'm face to face with the boss, almost kissing it, and I spray it to death. I may side step once to the left and once to the right ever so slightly but that's it....
hate to say it guys cuz I'm a big noob too, but they're rather easy to kill....
IMO it should still have the max of 100 but should take longer to start
I think what they should do is when the bosses regenerate their shield is should only be half way filled
Truth be told, im fine with the medallion nerf. But at the same time I do think that they should make the bosses easier to manage
I have no idea how Epic games (actually I have an idea - its an imbecile company) doesnt implement obviously rational changes - everybody uses visual audio now and they should make NPC icons different color to differentiate what you are actually hearing. Just that trivial change would make everything IMMENSELY less chaotic and controlled.
Agreed. And NPCs should ALWAYS have an icon above their head, not just when they aggro you.
@@Kryxx07 No, I meant the icon on the visual audio circle - every icon is always white but making NPC footstep icons red, for example, would make an immense difference. In that case you would actually be aware that theres a player around you if you saw a regular white icon and get cautious and ready instead of getting jumped completely unexpectedly while fighting against a boss + 17 bots + constantly reloading your weapons + unwillingly listening to the loudest music ever created.
Your suggestion would be effective at long range tho when the visual audio doesnt show the footsteps but its not even remotely as significant as such a trivial change I mentioned.
@@META313. I understood. I agree with you and think that there should also be icons above their heads at all times.
Droping somewhere with 20 bots 15 other players and a boss that regenerates a full bar of shield is too much for only 50 shield. Like after the update i forgot i had the meddalion and popped minies which is also way faster now with the delay. Id say they should make it go up to 100 but make the regeneration slow, only like 2 per second so its balanced.
Exactly
I think the change was good because medallions were way too overpowered before. Even if I thought the medallions were bad now I would still Nisha and Peter Griffon for the mythic. But I think the medallions are still good because instead of having to carry minis and big pots you just carry big pots and merits. Unless yuh ou have all 5 than you would carry just medkits.
Having something that auto generates shield is broken no matter how little or slow it is