VPI Record cleaning machine run-through
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- A quick overview of how a record cleaning machine works and some hints and tips that will apply to most machines.
These certainly are the investment, but if you're investing heavily into your turntable setup then one of these should be part of the equation so you're not ruining your efforts with dirty records!
VPI MW-1 Cyclone
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I was a press operator gor a few years, there is no "release agent" used during pressing. Only hot nickel plates heated by steam. If you open a record and it is dirty it is because of static, cheap sleeves, or poor handling in the pressing plant. Also just in case label adhesion is brought up, the only thing that is used is pressure and heat to hold them on, there is zero adhesive involved.
I have the Project and it does exactly the same job, and does not contaminate the cleaned side, and it’s cheaper than the VPI. I also notice from the video that the record didn’t seem to be completely covered in cleaning fluid. I use a goat s hair brush and its perfect for covering the whole record in cleaning solution. Most new record are dust magnets, definitely clean before you play. The sound improvement cannot be overstated.
Just a heads up I don't know which project machine you have? (Sorry I can't remember which machine was witch) But, I had a Project as well the VC-s machine (it was made of wood) it leaked on me started sounding louder the jet taking off after 3 month of using it!! I send it back & then gave the upgrade the VC-e machine (the one where the record spins off to the side) 5 month later that too was sounding louder then a jet taking off, So they gave another new one!! & that too was starting sound louder the jet taking off after a few month's??!!! So I bought a slightly used VPI machine off eBay and it seems to be working fine. One thing I must warn you Run the Vacuum for at least 30-seconds to 1 minutes when your done so to keep the water off the motor, because water & metal do not mix!! If you get water on your motor you will rusted it out!! I sprayed some Rust-Oleum down the rabbit hole there and let the motor spin for a bit to cover everything. I didn't think the design was all that great I only like it cause it just clamped on the label not the entire record! but who puts the drain hole directly underneath the record? now I have to put some flexi-disc underneath my record & have all that water dripping off of that onto my floor? I got it because it just clamped on the label I loved it!!! the other thing was who puts the motor underneath where the liquid goes into? Other then that the machine was a nice one.
@@pjcdrummeralso the project machine, at least one of them, has a blower that blows back under the records as it spins creating a mess. That's just what I've read in reviews.
It has been stated many times by those who manufacture the vinyl for records and those who press the records(Rick Hashimoto-RTI and Chad Kassem-QRP) that NO release agent is ever used. The action of cooling the record after it is pressed, before the press opens, which naturally releases itself through the heating and cooling cycle.
Now, here is why new records should be cleaned or brushed before cleaning. Records are pressed in an open factory setting and NOT in a clean room of any kind. Whatever is floating around in the air when records are being pressed and then packaged often falls onto the records.
There are multiple videos on CZcams of records being made and pressed, plus multiple discussions by those who manufacture records. I have yet to see any kind of a release agent being applied to the record presses.
Thanks for this great comment, that makes perfect sense.
The Avalanches Love that album.
Great video
I have a question, do you have to be Australian for the machine to work correctly?
Holy crap that's quick drying!
Definitely not fully dry.
VPI need to have a similar set up to the project machine in that the small platter just covering the label so you don't pick up the dust when you flip it over.
Yes and no.... I buy some estate sales that really need pressure while cleaning.... The project cleaner didn't work for me as the record would just bend ... I now have the vpi
I love that you covered the question that was on my mind, which is you just placed the clean side on the platter that was just touching the dirty side... so thank you for covering that.
Great machine, only drawback is the price... no way in hell I'm spending $3000.
They are 950$ on other websites
They're about $1000 they used to be way cheaper
@@Brandon-gs5ot let's be fair though and do this right - we're the Australian importer and so obviously our price is in AUD. The RRP in the US is $1,760 at the moment so we're actually below parity if you include shipping and GST.
Is it necessary to rinse the record after cleaning? Thanks for the info... I just found your channel.
Yes, absolutely. I will upload a video demonstrating all the residue left behind using any sort of cleaning agent. Even when using water that isnt 100% pure distilled water... tap water is no good. So always do a second rinse with distilled water.
Is the cork mat similar to a turntable platter or it is thin? Does it stick to the grey felt on the VPI Platter? If so, when it gets dirty, do you have to replace the grey felt as well??
Hey, the mat is super thin, with an adhesive backing (so not designed for turntables as such). The felt VPI mats we only use as dust covers; we run our VPI turntables without a platter mat (as does VPI).
@@krispyaudio Hey! Thanks for the fast response! So, with that thin cork mat for the 16.5, did you unpeel it and stick to that grey felt material that's on the platter? I was going to do that but I feel that's a mistake? What If I need to replace the cork mat, do I just lay another one on top or remove that grey felt material that's on the platter? (Does that make sense)?
@@drumcorpsfan Ah so the MW-1 comes like this here, ie cork adhered to the platter already. If it were worn you could adhere on top maybe once if the existing hasn’t pulled away at any point. After that you’d probably want to scrape it back and go from scratch. I haven’t needed to do this as yet but would suggest that a heat gun could help the process here. Does your existing mat just lift off? If so maybe do that and you could stick a cork mat to the platter. Feel free to email us some pics and happy to guide you further if needed. Cheers!
@@krispyaudio Thanks for the reply! Mine came with just that grey foam type of material that's on top of the platter. So that's why I bought the cork mat since I figured it needed something on top of that material! Im not going to glue mine on so I can take it off and clean/replace it when I needed! Thanks for your comments! It really helped me to get feedback on your setup so I could compare mine. I bought a used 16.5 and it was sold "as parts" since it needed a new suction tube, drain tube, and power cord. Everything else worked!!! I got super lucky on the deal! Thanks again!!
So what did is buy cheap paper sleeves and I cut the out in the diameter of the platter. After I clean the first side I put down round sleeve to put side one on. They are new, so sometimes the record picks up some paper fiber because of the static but I find it’s removed easily with a dry record brush. And I spent no where near $3k. Jeez
@@DG-ie5ip on a VPI vacuum machine
I would let that suck up on one more rotations, cause when you pick up the suck up arm...i can see a long dark mark from the suction arm.
Hey Chad, I can see what you’re saying but the risk is that once you’ve got felt over dry vinyl you risk introducing static. It’s a catch 22, or just let that last bit dry.
@@cpopefly very small risk... the felt isn't completely dry. I've cleaned thousands of records with multiple rotations and never have had static.
I don't hear static after several rotations of the vacuum. I presume static doesn't occur to a significant extent because the pads are moist.
no static. i've cleaned my records with multiple revolutions using a vpi machines and have never had static issues. Im not sure where he is getting his static from.
This machine is rather pricey, not quite as much as a degritter ultrasonic machine. How does it compare to an ultrasonic?
Have had one since first released, maybe 7 years now. This vid shows you how they work but does not show you how to properly use it. Too lengthy to discuss in a comment. My open drain hose goes straight into a gallon water jug which fills up about twice a year. I get the record surface completely wet and vacuum 2 full spins in both directions, backwards last. You must also rinse with distilled water, always using a wetting agent to break up the surface tension in the water. The vacuum is so strong that it is unaffected by being open. Clean the cork mat with a lint roller like you use on your clothes to get cat hair off. Never blow air onto anything like this as it will cause static and blow particles into the air unnecessarily. This is built like a tank and it was worth the $1000 when it was new. I guess that they are running around $1700 to $1800 now. Probably. It will certainly outlast its competition to be sure. I can match any ultrasonic cleaner using this properly. It is messy and time consuming but worth all the effort and pennies it costs, imho.
There's certainly many ways to clean your records, but the method demonstrated is certainly acceptable - as it is how Harry Weisfeld the founder of VPI and designer of this machine demonstrated to me in person during my dealer training. Sky's the limit though with how far you want to take it!
Vacuum the platter each time, FIRST, B4 putting any side of a disk down on the platter !!!!!!
I'm reeling from u peeling off the shrink wrap :0
A few people have mentioned this but I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong!? It’s ridiculously thin and placed no stress on the corners if that’s the concern?
@@krispyaudio I have records from the 70s in their wrap just a slit in the side.
@@krispyaudio He's not aware that the jacket on the Avalanches album is a gatefold, I think. You could still keep a gatefold in the shrink, but that's for the tragically OCD collector. ;)
@@krispyaudio You didn't do anything wrong. Some people are just too anal!
guaranteed that is not absolutely dry after one spin... theres no vacuum strong enough to get all humidity off of a record. Evaporation and / or using a micro-fiber cloth to dry the record is the only way to get it completely dry, but if you're using any solution or water that isn't distilled, that's not your best bet either. Always do a second wash with distilled water. No soap or solution. Then dry with cloth or evaporation letting the record stand vertically.
My VPI completely dries the record in one rotation.
@@johnkoontz6893 what VPI do you have? I’d still be surprised if that’s possible. The cloth on the vacuum always collects humidity that sits on the record and always is humid even with the vacuum on.
@@johnkoontz6893 what VPI do you have? I’d still be surprised if that’s possible. The cloth on the vacuum always collects humidity that sits on the record and always is humid even with the vacuum on.
$3,000.00
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You can find them for 950$
@@Brandon-gs5ot Still to much...
You have to spend 3000.00 plus you need to buy a 4000.00 power cord. I mean you wanna be a real audiophile, right?
@@Brandon-gs5ot that's simply grossly incorrect
I don`t like the Hoover Sound....Loricraft rules !
OCD PEOPLE . case closed