Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page - meeting, relationship, falling-out - complete story
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- This is my new review which I wrote on Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page. They both played in the Yardbirds but at different times. Eventually Jimmy Page formed his own band Led Zeppelin. My good old friend Shawn Staples from California helped me to narrate this story. My stories and reviews represent a great value for guitar players, musicians and rock fans. I do my best to create original and interesting content. Hope you enjoy it guys!
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By 1969, Clapton really turned his back on the heavy blues sound just as Jimmy Page was about to take that sound in a completely different direction with LZ. I think both men are connected obviously via The Yardbirds and as iconic guitar gods but in some ways. Clapton has always been more mercurial and I think he really didn’t want to be pigeonholed as a guitar god type. To me, they seem like two different characters entirely.
Yes, Led Zeppelin II was really heavy, but then Led Zeppelin changed their direction and sounded cleaner and folkier
Well Clapton was influenced by the Band's Big Pink about that time and was really into American roots rock stuff Page of course didn't listen to any of his peers or what was relevant at the time Zoso through Presence is my favorite Zep stuff
@@paulcowart3174 That’s true. The Band pivoted Clapton into a more laid back roots sound. It is one that he more or less continued on for several years after.
@@paulcowart3174 Don't forget Zep III. It starts with that insane, totally different "Immigrant Song", so as a young teen, I'm thinking "Wow! That is driving and powerful, sorta in the same vein as "Whole Lotta Love"! This will be like Zep II." NO WAY! The album has these beautiful Folk and Celtic Influences. That album got heavily dissed. But I totally bought into it. It so moved me. I have always LOVED that record.
Sesquip, that's because they ARE totally different.
Jimmy Page was much more than a guitarist/composer and band leader/black magician. His production skills were second to NONE. The job he did on all those Zeppelin albums as a producer/engineer was impeccable.
Yeah….but Page didn’t give credit to numerous others, such as Eddie Kramer and Glynn and Andy Johns. Kramer, for example, is the one who suggested the 12 string on Stairway. Andy Johns is the one who mic’d the stairwell for When The Levee Breaks. But this is just like Page; he blatantly ripped off blues and folk musicians and gave no credit.
He was a good producer but….second to none? George Martin, Brian Wilson, Quincy Jones….I’d rate him at least second to those guys and I’m a bigger Zep fan than a Quincy Jones fan 😀
You Got That Right !!!!!!!!!
Typical of a black magician: service to self.
He was also a known degenerate who enjoyed the company of young girls. His hero Alisteir Crowley was the same, indulging in any and all taboo acts simply because they are taboo. I can't listen to his playing without thinking of this since finding it out, really ruined Zeppelin for me speaking as a guitarist.
I was at the Ronnie Lane benefit at the Garden in 83. What a show, Page, Beck, Clapton, Ronnie Wood, Kenny Jones, Joe Cocker and many more.
'When the Levee Breaks' is a testament to JP's high art in the studio
Loved the use of that song in The Big Short
Mic/room placement mostly Every room has its own sound he stated truthfully
No it’s not!……page lifted the tune and Bonham laid down that beat.
Dread Pirate Roberts Led Zeppelin- the worlds greatest cover band.
When I listen to WTLB, I envision a train slowly spiraling down and further down into hell. You can even hear the banshees howling.
I listened to pages guitar work on a late yardbirds live show and he was so good you knew he was bound for more greatness
That raw sound from his Telecaster was amazing.
I'd be thankful if you could point me to that gig. Being a huge fan of the green telecaster era of Page:)
@@guitardaylesson8485 all I can remember it had a yellow artwork and was on utube
Ok. I'll look for it. Thnxs!
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The Dragon paints a dragon on his guitar
Roy Clark should get mention with these awesome Guitar players. Clapton was the most polished, Hendrix the most inventive and Page the most together. White Room was an anthem of my youth. For you youngsters, look up Clark on youtube...you are in for a treat. Country was his thing and boy could he play. We were so blessed with the music we had in 60's and 70's. The youth of today is being deprived of a voice. Their voice.
I think Buck to because of his writing, style and voice.
Absolutely!
Roy Clark was a wizard compared to those english blues limeys
many rock guitarists were well aware of Roy Clark's talent. some dude named Eddie Van Halen being one of them. Roy Clark was an excellent guitar player, one of the most versatile of all. he probably would have gotten more notice for his playing if he hadn't focused mostly on country music.
@@jamesha175 Is your name James Shat? Should be.
A nice video. A few things I'd like to add. There's a rumour that Clapton had attended the Zep's RAH show on January 9, 1970 and I know for sure that Page attended Eric's Rainbow Concert in 1973. Here's what Jimmy said about Eric that night: "I saw him at his Rainbow concert. At least at the Rainbow he had some people with some balls with him. Pearly Queen was incredible." Additionally, Eric attended one of the Firm's debut concerts and said nice things about Page's playing, which Jimmy was very pleased to hear. They also saw each other in 2005 when they were meeting the Queen along with Jeff Beck and Brian May.
Yes thank you for mentioning their meeting with the Queen. That was actually a very funny and awkward meeting. Brian May: 'I played in Queen.' Jimmy Page: 'I'm a magician.' Eric Clapton: 'I'm a god.' Jeff Beck: 'I'm Jeff.'
Funny that the Queen didn't know them and they had to introduce themselves to her
@@karsguitarchannel6088 Yep, that's a funny video. The Queen meeting the four Kings.
I have recalled a few other known occasions Jimmy and Eric shared together:
- May 23, 1983: Page guested Clapton's concert in Guildford. I guess they must have been hanging out prior the ARMS show in 1983. There's a bootleg of this show on YT: czcams.com/video/docCcPNtrBU/video.html&ab_channel=MetteV
- November 29, 2007: Jimmy and Robert attended Jeff Beck's concert at Ronnie Scott's. Eric guested the show and they played a version 'You Need Love'. Not sure if a pun was intended towards Pagey. Supposedly JPJ was there too with the boys, which make sense since they must have been hanging out prior the 02 show. If you look hard enough, you may spot glimpses of Jimmy and Robert there: czcams.com/video/uMaFiq0IHqU/video.html&ab_channel=PeterMusicHD
Additionally, they must have crossed paths at the Live Aid in 1985 and there's also this photo from 1994:
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In regards of Jimmy and Eric relationship, I don't think there's ever been any bad blood between them, although they seem not as close with each other as both of them are with Jeff. In his autobiography Eric mentions that 'he rated Jeff Beck, and also Jimmy Page'. And Jimmy has always been open about his respect towards Eric. Clapton though has always been a severe critic of Zeppelin, which I never truly grasped (but to be fair, I have heard he wasn't too fond of his Cream output either at some point).
There might have been a strain on their relationship in 1983 during the ARMS tour due to the condition Jimmy was in at the time. I have heard that Eric had shown Jimmy the tapes from the shows and it was a wake-up call for Jimmy to kick dope and get his life in order. So Eric still must have cared.
Page was also @ the Cream reunion @ RAH.
He sat in his box right behind me.
@@F.Mercurius I have never heard Clapton say a single decent thing about Page.
Page was always and still is very classy...he sees the value in every single guitar player and has openly complimented Clapton's playing, especially.
Cream set a new high standard for blues rock. The Yardbirds were so far ahead of any band during the sixties - that their influence is still not fully appreciated.
glenn...I love the yardbirds lol I listen to them at least weekly. You are correct. they were ahead of their time and set the music on fire.
Damn right
That 's the Truth. Cream was more than Rock!!! Cream touched the Jazz! A.🤔
Cream said the standard Led Zeppelin copied it I saw Led Zeppelin in 1969 at the kinetic playground in Chicago after I saw Cream in 68…… No comparison my friends! Imitation is discensas form of flattery but it began hey pattern that Led Zeppelin never could shake they like to take stuff from other people and put their names on it and everybody knows it…🇬🇧🇬🇧
Very true. As a blues band they were technically fine but much too white and British to be convincing. However, when Beck joined and they had hits including 'Shapes of Things', 'Over Under Sideways Down' and 'Happenings 10 Years Time Ago' as well as their 'Yardbirds' album, they really opened up the British pop scene to the sort of possibilities other bands, the Beatles, Hendrix and Cream included, would ride to bigger success. I mean, the Beatles were progressive in their own right, but they were tame compared to the Yardbirds, only starting to break out of the parameters of safety with 'Revolver'. McCartney's guitar solo on 'Taxman' is very much Jeff Beck-influenced raga-style ripping (Paul is a huge Jeff fan; they are friends).
But as you say, the Yardbirds never received the credit they deserve. They do, however, still feature highly in various narratives. It is too bad more Zeppelin fans didn't go back to check out that peak Yardbirds' period of mid '65 through late '66, before Beck was ousted.
I think a lot of people trash Jimmy Page and his band Led Zeppelin because they're jealous of their success. All artists borrow from each other, and no one has ever sounded like Led Zeppelin and no one has ever arranged the complex arrangements that Jimmy Page as well as John Paul Jones did with Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin had Blues, Jazz, Hard Rock, Metal, Folk, Country all wrapped up into one. Hard to top that versatility and greatness. JPJ is so underrated, I don't get it.
Why would theRolling Stone, and The Who be jealous of Zeppelin's success? They're both just as popular as Zeppelin. Also, they're both better than Zeppelin
@@southsider3542 I wasn't talking about the Rolling Stones or the Who, or rolling Stone magazine for that matter! By the way, most people who love and appreciate Led Zeppelin also love and appreciate the who.
Who's to say who's better?
Borrowing and stealing are two different things my friend! Check CZcams channels to see how many songs he stole and gave no credit for Joan Baez Babe I’m gonna leave you and countless others
I can go some time without listening to Zeppelin...but as soon as I go back and listen again ...BOOM....it's like hearing it all fresh and being mindblown..I love Zeppelin, there is so much to admire despite the well-documented 'steals'.
I can go without listening to Clapton forever.
I hear Clapton goes great with a round of golf and a Xanax.
Uh, I prefer around 100 micrograms of LSD. It’s kind of boundary breaking music being played live during cream. Kind of really creative as Hendrix. I don’t find that musical spark in Led Zeppelin as much, I like most of it, but feel how long it takes to make their point and almost dragged on jams that don’t really go anywhere. I could really imagine tweaking the songs to sound better. This is not the perspective I had first listening to them in high school. Not much the drums or Paul jones’s ideas. Some of the guitar work and vocals, but in the end, I just prefer The Rolling Stones.
I like the intentional vibe above the blues influences in their music, but it doesn’t quite get there right. The old England vibe wasn’t strong enough, though plenty heard when I first heard them, it doesn’t really go anywhere much and wish they did more with it. I prefer cream’s songs, Hendrix, Beatles, small faces, and Rolling Stones. It’s just something to notice after playing guitar for a while and listening to various bands of the time? I mainly prefer the creative production of cream or Hendrix, then some years of stones and Beatles have all good songs with transcendental styles, way before the India influence, they did their studying.
I don’t trust other’s musical options too much. It’s always flawed cause they come from a different background, so who knows how they see things musically or like to subjectively rate stuff. I’m more with ginger baker’s opinions than most of his contemporaries. There’s some real hard musicianship sensed from them and the way they judge musical contemporaries. The things they talk about in interviews kept in context is mind opening to see their almost passionate perspective. As if they listened to completely different influences and were able to tell who was up to par or kind or like faking it, though maybe unaware due to the more shallow musical background.
I just think Clapton studied and practiced as hard as Hendrix during his come up to produce the improv licks and tones. He started to screw himself up after finding out his upbringing was a lie. I’m sorry, but it seems only certain people who tend to still forgive or something can talk about Clapton with some level of respect and neutrality towards another lost soul. Anyway, too bad he couldn’t keep it together and had a fall into a bad trip from it all, resulting in his change in the 70’s and moving to cocaine, heroine, or alcohol to push things back. I was inspired to continue where he left off. I already got some of the original pieces for the pure tone now. Just still practicing, probably tour the world this summer and get everything played before the government’s shut off the lights further?
Ritchie Blackmore said that he loved Zeppelin's hard approach when they came out and did Whole Lotta Love. It inspired him to switch to Hard Rock music and make 'In Rock'. He thanked Led Zeppelin for the inspiration. He also added that Led Zeppelin got it from Jeff Beck, who got it from the Small Faces.
Yes and Ritchie Blackmore forgot to add that Jimi Hendrix was the greatest source of inspiration for them all at the time.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 Jimmy Page is the greatest guitarist ever. What a talent
Hendrix “ Hey Joe “ inspired LED Zeppelin to make “ Whole Lotta Love “ if you know what I mean .
@@megadave1197 Uhh.., no.
@@skineyemin4276 Each to their own but definitely my favourite.
1) Page
2) Green
3) Gilmour
One of the best stories I've ever heard about British blues guitar players. A lot of cool info about my favorite musicians. Great research info. Thank you for putting this story together. Tony Seago
Thank you so much Tony Seago! Have an awesome rocking day!
I can tell you a little inside fact about Clapton quitting the Yardbirds - I say this because Clapton's best mate growing up is a sometime acquaintance of our family. This 'Friend' and Clapton were hardcore Blues purists growing up and said 'Friend' was actually VERY influential in keeping Eric true to 'Pure' Blues. It was Clapton's 'Friend' who told him at the time that single was released that he should walk away from the crass 'Commercial' stuff and stick to 'Pure Blues' ... even at the expense of any fame or success that might have suffered. So it was actually the counsel of Clapton's friend that pushed him toward quitting the Yardbirds. Without knowing it however ... this 'Friend' may have just had a massive influence on the direction that British Rock music took because if NOT for Eric leaving ... we would not have had Beck and Page to follow on the paths they did! The Butterfly Effect ...
Very interesting, thank you!
It's hard to know if it was that person's "counsel" alone that was the reason, Clapton seemed to have very strong opinions and a well-developed ego by then. But, no doubt there are countless instances where one person's actions have immense downstream consequences. The best one I've ever heard in a popular music context was when Stephen Stills actually auditioned for "The Monkees" television show but didn't get the gig because the producers said he had "bad teeth'. Stills encouraged his roommate at the time, Peter Tork, to go for the audition and the rest, as they say, is history. Imagine the terrible horror if Stills had gotten that job. No Buffalo Springfield, no CSN, no CSNY, and on and on. A huge part of the legendary music of that time would have never happened.
I've always held the following guitarists in high regard: Dick Dale, Link Wray, Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Pete Townsend, and Jimmy Page. All of them are unique -- special -- in their own way.
SRV
Ritchie Blackmore, Michael Bloomfield, Roy Buchanan, Rory Gallagher, Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Roy Clark, John Mclaughlin.
@@lanenordgren7641 - All truly great guitarists!
Don't forget Lonnie Mack ! That guy brought it up a notch. Raised the bar for lead soloing. He was light years beyond any rock guitarist in 1963/64. He was the fastest , cleanest and the first
@@Cincinnatus1869 -- My memory isn't what it used to be. Definitely, Lonnie Mack was (and remains) king tone. Buddy Guy was a big influence, as well. The list goes on.
Really AWESOME channel, man..Cool , relevant history...THANK YOU !!!
Love your videos man!
Many thanks, great pleasure!
You're wrong about Page not making any money as a session guitarist and producer, he financed the first Led Zeppelin album in 1968.
Well maybe Jimmy Page put a little of his own money in Led Zeppelin but I believe that the actual person who financed the Led Zeppelin project was Peter Grant. Jeff Beck said that he regrets that the Yardbirds didn't have Peter Grant behind them at the time he was in the band. Ritchie Blackmore explained that to start a band you have to have a millionaire backer behind it. He said it’s very hard to start without financial backing. So for Led Zeppelin that backer was Peter Grant I believe. By 1968, Jimmy Page already worked with Peter Grant.
@Becks Bolero I think you don't understand how much money you have to put in to promote a band like Led Zeppelin. Yes like I said Jimmy Page could invest some of his own money to make a record or something but I believe there were some people with money behind it. And I believe Peter Grant himself or he had some backers who invested their money into the project. Ritchie Blackmore told about how that business works. Deep Purple had a millionaire backer Chris Curtis from the Searchers. Chris Curtis contacted London businessman Tony Edwards, in the hope that he would manage a new group he was putting together, to be called Roundabout. Curtis' vision was a "supergroup" where the band members would get on and off, like a musical roundabout. Impressed with the plan, Edwards agreed to finance the venture with his two business partners John Coletta and Ron Hire, who comprised Hire-Edwards-Coletta Enterprises (HEC). Now I hope it's clear for you how this business works
Page used to put his session money under his matress in his parents house when he started out,,he briefly mentioned in an interview a few years ago in a guitar mag i thibk
@@karsguitarchannel6088 Peter Grant wasn't a millionaire he never earned as much money as he did with Led Zeppelin
@Robert Coleman Hi Robert, I found out that the first Led Zeppelin record was financed by Jimmy Page and Peter Grant. They paid £1,782 for the studio sessions. In the book Conversations with Jimmy Page, Jimmy Page says, "I financed and completely recorded the first album before going to Atlantic" but he didn't mention Peter Grant. After they recorded the album, Jimmy Page and Peter Grant went to Atlantic with tapes in hand and Peter Grant negotiated the group's sizeable five-year record contract with Atlantic Records. Atlantic ultimately cut them a check for $200,000 to sign them. It was, at the time, the biggest advance ever given to a rock group in music history. So Peter Grant also invested his own money into the project.
Jimmy not only was a great guitarist, but a great influence in the mixing, mastering and production of the albums. Zeppelins body of work will stand the test of time.
Already has.
@@tktimber418 Agreed !
Nobody could steal a body of work quite like Led Zeppelin And that’s all I have to say about that
@@Cream1968 that’s why they are the greatest ever.
@@tktimber418 😂
Great stories, thank you! : )
You are very welcome Ari Tuhkanen, thank you!
Jimmy's version of White Summer On The Yardbird's Little Games is a stellar example of his acoustic guitar playing. The live versions on the BBC are also fabulous.
Absolutely, brilliant work by Jimmy!
I think Jimmy Page is the greatest musician that ever lived, but you should know, although by the choice of your words perhaps you already do:
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as many others do these days, uncredited. By comparison Anji on Simon and Garfunkel album 65 is directly credited to Davy Graham. I spent 20 years thinking Jimmy Page wrote that.
Unfortunately Page took credit for writing it, when it is a direct copy of Davy Graham’s arrangement of the traditional Irish tune “She Moved Through the Fair” right down to the choice of DADGAD guitar tuning.
Page stole that from Davey Graham note-for-note, just as he stole Black Mountainside from Bert Jansch. Jimmy is a decent studio musician but a horrible person.
A part of Black Mountainside of Led Zeppelin 1 is actually guitarwork of Bert Jansch. But on the Led Zeppelin album is written that the writer is Jimmy Page. Those things are not so fair.
Ty for this video and for not cussing, a rare find🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸💚!
Sad to hear the Cat Fighting. So much comes from Envy or just Pure Jealousy.
As far as I'm concerned, All these Musician's have earned their place in The History of Rock.
Of course as for my Opinion, overall JIMMY PAGE is at the Top of that list.
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If I had to rate the 3 greats being Page, Beck, and Clapton:
1) Page had so many styles not only Blues and was a recording genius.
2) Beck because he was the Fusion God to me.
3) Clapton a great Blues player not as versatile as the other two. All great guitarists and all loved for different reasons. Page is on my list as the top as well, you know, That band called
Led Zeppelin lol. All guitarists get along, it's the media that makes a big deal out of nothing.
Except jimmy can't sing... Sorry Eric Clapton with vocals and guitar skill kinda overrides
@@dustinwallace
It's all just Personal Opinions.
Whatever works best for you 👍
lol But I'm still sticking with Jimmy Page for my #1 Choice.
I left out Stevie Ray Vaughan, Prince, Charo, Peter Frampton, Nancy Wilson, Maybelle Carter... So many incredible Musician's who don't get their Just Recognitions!
@@dustinwallace and Clapton can’t write music that even approaches what Page did. Ask young kids today who they listen to from that era. It ain’t Clapton.
That's a great triple bill: opening act is Envy, 2nd act is Pure Jealousy and headlining it's: Cat Fighting ! yeah !!You should be a rock promoter !
Great Research and Info!! Great Presentation!!
Big thanks, much appreciated!!!
Led Zeppelin started off as New Yardbirds with Chris Dreja on bass, plus Page and Bonham.
Chris quickly dropped out and Page called his old studio producer and session musician John Paul Jones to take over on bass. He's a multi instrumentalist who worked on recordings with Jimmy Page earlier.
Not quite, but close. Plant agreed to do vocals, but only if Bonzo could join on drums
Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page are my top 3 favourite guitarists. I wonder if Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page let bygones be bygones? Did they bury the hatchet? I do have the Jimmy Page biography by George Case. Thanks for sharing this. Cheers! ✌️
Oh to be at that midwest show! Clapton, Beck, Page, Rory Gallagher, Johnny Winter, Mick Taylor, Tommy Bolin & Henry McCullough to mention a few!!
Mick Taylor deserves a lot of respect...people just keep forgetting his work with the stones...
@@cinematicpassages8884 Blues from Laurel Canyon was fantastic!
@@michaelhiggs8657 right...and look at me ignoring taylor's work with John Mayall...good one mate!
@@cinematicpassages8884 On bands where the singer is in charge...Stones, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Humble Pie (+-),etc. the guitarist is always reluctant to follow his muse with prolonged solos in concerts. Be glad that Jagger let Taylor play for as long as he did in some songs (super in "Gimmie Shelter" 72, 73 versions). No showboating in that band unless Jagger is doing it.
@@alanosterman7130 haha...right...yeah. "time waits for no one" i guess.
Wow...thanks for this! Jimmy Page...greatest guitarist on the planet! I just love him! Wish he would do something again!
Jimmy is out of this earth. EC is boring, after Cream he never ever had did anything really, really awesome.
Jeff Beck still absolutely amazing, after all those years like a scotch whiskey, better as he get older.
There’s also Hendrix & Buckethead!!
You are very welcome Julie, thank you! Much appreciated!
My favorites are Jimmy Page and Jimi Hendrix. Of course Beck is brilliant and I love Eric Clapton
@@RobertoGaspar69 lol silly fool
Unfortunately too many people assign he term ‘greatest’ to the particular genre they prefer. How would you compare and contrast Jimmy Page with say Richie Blackmore, Steve Howe, Alan Holdsworth etc…..
Saw Eric playing with The Yardbirds as a backing band for Sonny Boy Williams II when he was 19…..in one of the gym halls of my school……Gordon School Maidenhead 👍 July 1964……then again the following Saturday in their own right by popular demand
It was a pop up club called The Ricky Tik run by The Crawdaddy Club in Richmond
Never saw Jimmy (probably could have) but ❤️ his playing…..seems like a really nice guy too
As much as people might hate Clapton or think he's boring, you cannot deny the impact of his playing and gear choices from 1965-69 are the root of heavy rock, progressive rock and even vintage guitar industry. The Les Paul was a discontinued, forgotten guitar before he chose to use it with John Mayall and Cream. And his choice of cranked Marshall/Gibson is the blueprint of all heavy rock that came after.
Absolutely! The combining of the Marshall JTM40 amp with a Les Paul, the fiery playing on 'Blues Breakers', the great recordings and jam performances with Cream.... EC was the template for post 'Merseybeat/British Invasion' pop. And though he mightn't measure up to the likes of Jeff Beck, Albert Lee, and some others of that era, he was the defining one.
Interesting that you presume people think Clapton is boring, because, although I've always recognized his technical talent on the guitar, um, always thought of him as, well, compared to Hendrix and Page, uh, boring!
@@samr.england613 He inspired Hendrix and Page. Fact.
@@TweedSuit Yeah, okay. Granted! Just saying, that myself and many of my friends always considered Clapton as, 'technically precise', but boring'! Whereas, Jimmy Page was, um, 'exciting' on stage, with a sense of panache and elan. Something about Page that Clapton lacked. Granted, sir, Clapton is exceptional, but he lacks Jimmy's stagecraft! He lacks Jimmy's, um, 'showmanship'! And Jimmy had the talent to back it up! Love Clapton, love Page, so let's stay on the same page, shall we?
I know Clapton is outstanding, but at a personal level he comes across as really negative and uninspiring. Page (and Beck..) on the other hand, comes across as thoughtful, respectful, and incredibly together, in extended interviews. He plainly had a plan all along, to acquire studio and guitar skills, and find the right vehicle to, as he put it, explore the limits of the guitar as an instrument, and change rock music. Not obsessively or grandiosely; just out of love for music. God didn't he do that! Far beyond merely being a stunning musician. Clapton is a stunning musician, but that only.
One snippet: Page was equally interested in art, and painted while at art college. But he said his draftsmanship wasnt really very good. At some point, he burnt all his paintings, because, he said, he didn't want substandard paintings turning up at auctions because they had been painted by Jimmy Page. Such a great attitude and foresight.
I have never seen Clapton interviewed, but Jimmy comes across as humble and modest in his demeanor and respectful in the interviews I’ve seen of him on CZcams.
I am aware in the hey day of LZ, the band didn’t really talk with the press bec they (so I read) wanted to let the music itself speak for itself.
@@andreacheney3593 that's exactly how I read him:
I love this channel
Clapton, Page, Beck, Hendrix, Winters, Lee, Allman, Hooker, Guy, Taylor, King, Waters, so many good guitarists and great music.
Stephen Stills, Neil Young.
Great list, the evolution of blues rock.
Stevie Ray Vaughn!
PETER GREEN
Carlos Santana
Clapton and Page are great guitarists and that is what they have in common. Clapton sings and is a de facto frontman. Page is a producer and magician in studio. Different animals. Same species.
Yes very well said and Page is sloppy and Clapton isn't! 😉
Well said.
@@chickentwisties2298 If his playing is sloppy I wish my playing was sloppy haha. And I wish my gf gave me the sloppy
Page is one of the great guitarist of all the time. Clapton is more than that. I think Carl Perkins spoke well: "You know there is song writers, there is singers, there is guitar players. Only one man conquered all of them.Clapton done that all around the world.
When actually? Clapton was over after Layla
Clapton is so boring, WTF are you talking about
Seems like every British guitarist has something to say about Page usually not nice. It is just plain jealousy Page is always a gentleman and never trashes other guitarists they should follow suit
Yes many people say that when they met Jimmy Page, he was very sweet and nice to them.
Not so sure E.C attracts glowing tributes for being a great bloke either.
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@@AtticusZhivago Comment based having read EC's autobiography.
@@ScrogginsTheCove Why would his autobiography be filled with "glowing tributes for being a great bloke" from other people? Clapton is very hard on himself because he know he made mistakes in his life, but how he battled back and put his house in order speaks volumes. Those close to EC have always sung his praises as a person and friend.
Excellent vid, vwd xxxxx
Thank you, much appreciated!
There's a GREAT acoustic version of Jimmy playing the acoustic guitar, and John Paul Jones playing the Mandolin..it's frigging awesome. All three just setting amongst themselves jamming it out!!
All three? Who's the third?
@@sullyb23511 I believe Robert Plant
Sounds like "Going to California" to me. Bonham took a break during that song.
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Concert poster with my man, Rory Gallagher and his band, TASTE, what a thrill to see that, they were high level even that far back.
Right, would love to have seen The tours he did with EC. They were tight friends.
Rory still blows my mind , like EC at certain phases.
Fair play - thanks for the doc.
How exciting to have lived in London back in those days
Jimmy was given the Telecaster from Jeff Beck as a thank you for getting him into the Yardbirds and making good money. He might have gotten another guitar while playing for the Yardbirds from Jeff but Jimmy already had a Telecaster and a black Les Paul he used on most of his sessions. But he had other guitars also. And he made a good deal of money playing on other songs and other studio work. I don't think Jimmy Page has ever worried about money, his parents were doing OK also.
Yes that's what Jimmy Page says but Jeff Beck himself says that he has no idea how that Tele became Jimmy's. There's an interview with Jeff Beck, check it out. Then Jeff Beck also said that that tele he got from his friend John Owen and he lent it to Jimmy on tour. And his friend still wants his Tele back but Jeff gave him a strat as a compensation. So it's unclear how Jimmy got that Tele from Jeff
@@karsguitarchannel6088 And judging by the photo of the two at end of the video, and that they are obviously mates, it wouldn't appear to be of any importance either.
@@alexanderSydneyOz Even all the regular dudes have a similar guitar story, or a lot of them do. I know I do. Sometimes you luck out on a trade, too, but you might not realize it for a while.
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It seems that Jeff Beck said a lot of things.
"Jeff Beck had a difficult life following his dismissal during his stay at the Yardbirds. “I had to go home and that was probably the worst because I had nothing. I’d given my guitar to Jim [Page]. And I was living back with Mum with no money,” Beck relived the nightmare he had experienced during the Yardbirds’ visit in the US, which, during this point, was the last straw he had endured with the band before he left."
@@karsguitarchannel6088 there is an interview with Jeff saying, after the first us tour with the Yardbirds, Jeff drove his new convertable with tele in hand to thank Jimmy for getting him in the band.
Big fan of all 3 I appreciate what they all have done.. although in my opinion I think Led Zeppelin, broken more grounds and barriers than anyone thought this band could.. better body of work LZ still breaks grounds before their time
LZ really boil down to 2 albums imvho: LZ2 & LZ4 - both are ground-breaking achievements that will never age. Jimmy Page is a giant, a god who will never die
@@geoffreystevens663 I like 3 and Presence. They are all better than any albums with few exceptions. The last two from the Police and all of AIC come to mind. 99.9% are second rate when compared to LZ.
All the new bands wanted to be LZ. No one cared about Stones Beatles or Who. Steven Tyler and the Wilson sisters were in awe of them. Some were jealous. Even Elton John said “you don’t want to listen to Led Zeppelin on a cheap stereo “.
@Quam they defined grunge.
@Quam the critics hated LZ at first.
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Lol oh man I live in Milwaukee,Wisconsin and have been to many bands at the State fair grounds but I never heard of this concert. Wow! What a line up
I saw the Yardbirds with Page on bass!!! But they switched around . It was epic!!! I was ten years old. Second on the bill was lovin spoonful. I also saw the WHO with Association as second on the bill. That was a mismatch too!
Amazing
The Lovin' Spoonful was an excellent band and highly regarded by other musicians. For example, when 16-year old Mick Taylor showed up at a London gig to see Clapton with the Bluesbreakers, EC's Les Paul and Marshall were on the stage, but no Eric for the first set. So Taylor offered to fill in for the rest of the gig, which he did admirably, ultimately leading him to joining the band after Peter Green had come and gone from the lineup. Why did Clapton skip that gig? He'd gone to see the Lovin' Spoonful at the Marquee Club.
But there is another connection. When the Spoonful's John Sebastian put his Goldtop Les Paul up for sale in a shop (he got a sunburst), Rick Derringer (the McCoys, Johnny Winter, etc.) purchased it. Early Gibson Goldtops had deficiencies so he had it fixed up and refinished in red. Because he didn't like the revised guitar he put it up for sale in a shop. And Clapton purchased it. For whatever reason, Clapton, still in Cream, gave that red guitar to George Harrison. Somewhere along the line it was named 'Lucy'. When Clapton was on his was on his way to observe a Beatles' 'White Album' session with Harrison, the GEorge spontaneously invited him to play lead on 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps'. Clapton, wary about what the other lads in the band might think apparently demurred, noting he did not have a guitar. George handed him Lucy, which is what we hear on the record...John Sebastian's Goldtop in a different guise.
Page also had royalty checks from songs he wrote or co- wrote1965-1966. Page did sessions during YBs days when ever he could
This history is so cool! This channel deserves hundreds of thousands of subs ! Crazy how Jimmy used a telecaster so much behind the scenes
Many thanks for checking out Davy Boy, I appreciate very much!
Just about any good les paul player uses a tele in the studio. I don't know why.
@@flyingjeff1956 One reason is the tele,s versatility,you can play blues rock jazz country and get that amazing telecaster sound,check clapton using a custom tele in his blind faith days.
Clapton was so consumed with drugs and, even worse, alcohol in the 70s. He became a truly miserable and awful person. He admits it himself. His peaks though, Blind Faith/ early Dominos and later in the 90s. Those peaks are so high, he will always be a legend.
Spot on.
Wow that's so cool because that Midwest music festival without a doubt is the precursor or at least a major reason Milwaukee Summer Fest was so incredible and better than everything as far as summer music festivals went in the 70s and 80s besides the short lived Chicago Fest because the bands Summer Fest had all through the 80s were chart toppers!!!
I know the feeling about not wanting to watch others, though you admire them. I purposely avoid looking at other people’s designs for common tank models on my channel so I don’t end up just copying them.
This is great content. New subscriber from the UK
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I saw LZ in April 11, 1970 where he played White Summer. Need to check out this TV show.
Good video. I love Jimmy, he’s great and legendary player.
His playing from 70s and early 80s are underrated. You can find great concert bootlegs from that era. Also, you can check out Slowhand’s Super Deluxe Edition and Just One Night.
In my opinion, Clapton’s best period is from 88 to 96. His concerts from that period of time is amazing. I think everyone should check out some bootleg recordings from that era. I also love his playing in 2000s.
Let me suggest some studio recordings from Eric’s career that every music fan definitely should listen:
1) Eric Clapton(1970);
2) 461 Ocean Boulevard(1974);
3) Slowhand(1977);
4) Money and Cigarettes(1983);
5) Journeyman(1989);
6) From The Cradle(1994);
7) Pilgrim(1999);
8) Reptile(2001);
9) Me and Mr. Johnson(2004);
10) Clapton(2010);
11) The Breeze(2014);
12) I Still Do(2016);
I hope you all will enjoy.
They should first listen to the Beano album and all the Cream albums including Live and Live Volume 2. He was on fire when he was young and played Gibsons. Then contrast that with the Fender Stratocaster bullshit he did after his heroin addiction and during his alcohol problems in the 70's and 80's. His made best music and his reputation in the 1960's.
Thank you very much for sharing, awesome!
@@shobudski6776 I`ve got numerous underground recordings. Lots of Zep, (69 they were on fire, blew the roof off every where they played. Must haves, every date. Also, 71 was sooo hot too. Get any board (or close miked) you can lay your hands on from those two years.) and Cream too. Club dates early on 66 & 67, Eric just burns. But, of all my boots, my fave of any band has to be Cream at Detroit, October 15, 1967. Fine sound. There are times during that show, I feel I am listening to an orchestra playing. Had to end sooner or later. Just could`nt keep that intenscity up for long.
The only one you missed was Layla and Assorted Love Songs. Derek and the Domino's every song on that Album is a Gem 💎.
All of these guys are incredible guitar players. I do think that Clapton was a bit of an oddball and an elitist. He had said the The Beatles were wankers but of course that didn’t stop him from being friends with George Harrison. I believe that Clapton wasted a lot of time moving around believing he was too good for everyone. Then of course he did nothing but drink and do drugs for three years until he got his act together and got on track. He still didn’t see the commercial success that Zeppelin did until much later. This is my opinion. I think Jimmy Page was much more driven and productive in the early and mid seventies. It definitely seems like we are splitting hairs between these guys but for me Page was my favorite even though most of his best work was before my time. Clapton was great commercially later on. Beck was great but not my cup of tea. I am bad guitar player and enjoy trying to learn the songs.
Interesting way of looking at it. That's why I like getting on here and seeing intelligent posts like yours, because they're rare at times. Clapton thought the Beatles were wankers but was friends with George and didn't mind effing Georges beautiful wife Patti. To your points. Of the 3, Beck might be the most talented, but with not nearly as much commercial success as the others. He's played so many styles on his solo stuff and it's not for everyone. I've never owned a Jeff Beck album. I'm just not really into fusion, etc. I appreciate his talent though. Clapton slowed down for slot of yrs. Even though he did play and tour, there weren't always hits. A few maybe. Drugs and alcohol ruined alot of his 70s decade. Of course he had that Unplugged stuff later and "Tears in Heaven", etc. Page is Page. Brilliant player and just as Brilliant in the studio. He didn't have as much notoriety maybe later on as Clapton did. He did the Firm. He did Coverdale/Page. The occasional stuff with Robert Plant. That "Un-ledded" stuff in 1994 was awesome. They put out one album. Don't know if you remember? Walking into Clarksdale, I think it was called. Zeppelin took the blues and exponentially pumped them up. Put them on steroids. All 3 were steeped in blues but it's 3 very different styles. All Brilliant
Clapton had various personal issues going back to his upbringing as a child. This was coupled with his massive ego during the Yardbirds and with the Bluesbreakers. Indeed, he noted that people still expect him to play as he did back then but he claims that during those times he was an angry, egotistical, arrogant and self-centred bastard (pretty much his words), and today he is not longer possessing those 'qualities'. Page was seemingly alway the professional, wanting music to be a career, not and ego fest (he also had a better upbringing). Beck was the insecure rebel out to show the world that he was better than the rest. Though he can be shy and socially awkward, once onstage he seems to assume a bigger, more confident attitude. Still, that is more a facade...a bit of protection. I spoke with him on a couple occasions at a gig - he obviously wasn't comfortable talking to a stranger.
Interesting that Beck isn't your 'cup of tea', as he has done a variety of things in his career, from the Yardbirds, the Jeff Beck Group (MK I and MK II), BB&A and various solo phases. Maybe you might want to go back to, say 'Happenings 10 Years Time ago by the Yardbirds, 'I Ain't Superstitious' or 'All Shook Up' by the Jeff Beck Group, 'You Know What I Mean' or 'Sophie' from 'Blow by Blow' and 'Wired' respectively, 'The Pump' or 'The Final Peace' from 'There & Back'...or others since then. There is so much diversity.
@@sdc7823 I think theres brilliance in writing. When it comes down to songwriting Page and Clapton are arguably close tho I would edge Page. But when it comes to riffs Page has got to take the crown there. Monster mammoth riffs the other two don't compare
Love your videos. There are several incorrect statements in this one...regarding the forming of Zeppelin, Jones called Page at the behest of his wife ("Jimmy Page is looking for a bass player. Call him!"); it wasn't Page and Grant calling Jones.
During Page's sessions days he made a lot of money. Matter of fact, he was considered wealthy among musicians. He was not broke or living at home.
It is said that he played on hundreds of records between 1962-1966.
Page said, “I was doing three sessions a day, fifteen sessions a week."
In 1993, he told Guitar World magazine: “My session work was invaluable… And I rarely ever knew in advance what I was going to be playing. But I learned things even on my worst sessions - and believe me, I played on some horrendous things. I finally called it quits after I started getting calls to do Muzak. I decided I couldn’t live that life anymore; it was getting too silly.”
And was it John Enthwistle or Keith Moon who came up with the name "Led Zeppelin"? Page says Moon. Richard Cole and John Enthwistle say Emtwistle. Hmmmmm...
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Here's how i think that one went down. Entwistle was the first one to say that out loud. (Sounds like his droll humor) But Keith was the one who had the balls to actually say it to Page.
Some additional insight: As with Clapton, Page produced tracks with Jeff Beck that ended up on the Immediate 'Blues Anytime' albums. These included a couple with the All Stars, a band that included Cliff Barton (bs), Carlo Little (dr), and Nicky Hopkins (pn). And Page produced Jeff Beck's 'Beck's Bolero' in May, 1966. This was at the behest of Yardbirds manager Simon Napier-Bell, who said Beck was bored. Page (rhy), Keith Moon (dr), John Paul Jones (bs), and Hopkins (pn) comprised the lineup. It was at that session John Entwistle (not Keith Moon; Entwistle was also supposed to play but backed out last-minute, thus Jones's involvement) mentioned that were they a group they would go down like a 'lead balloon' in America (i.e. they would fail miserably, though some journalists interpreted this as being quite the opposite).
Also, Page didn't exactly invite Jones to join Zeppelin. Yardbirds' rhythm guitarist-turned-bassist Chris Dreja was to originally hold that spot though ultimately opted out in favour of photography (the Led Zep #1 album back cover his his work). JP Jones's wife suggested he offer his services. And the band was named the New Yardbirds only for already contracted dates on the Continent. Worth noting that it was the tremendous Terry Reid who having declined Page's offer pointed the guitarist to Robert Plant. Coincidentally, an organist in Reid's band around that time was Billy Bonham, a distant relative of John Bohnam.
Despite always coming across as a decent sort, Page seemingly has a bad reputation on a number of fronts, most notably ripping off the musical ideas of others. So it was interesting to hear he avoided the music of others so as not to be overly influenced. Nice to see mention of the John Owen Telecaster. When Beck joined the Yardbirds he didn't own a guitar, so used the red Tele belonging to the band (Clapton also used it). Beck said it was horrible, so borrowed Owen's. When the Yardbirds toured with the Walker Brothers, Beck purchased a maple neck, black plate Esquire from John Walker (nee Maus), thus relegating the Tele to standby. When Page turned out to be a 'horrible' bassist in the Yardbirds and 'graduated' to second lead position, Beck loaned him that Owen Tele. Owen never did get it back. Many years later Beck did give him a Beck Signature Strat as compensation. And Page gave Beck a plastic Macaferri guitar in lieu of the Tele. Beck felt insulted at first but has said he now loves that guitar.
And as others have commented, the suggestion that Page, with a Thames River-side house and jobs as a busy session player and record producer of some note didn't have enough money to afford a guitar is surely grossly inaccurate. He may not have been rich, but he was making £9 per session and often doing several sessions per day. By comparison, in 1974 I worked for a major upscale English gent's clothiers for £17 per week. What I made in a month Page was making in a day.
Also, and possibly I didn't hear it correctly in the video, Page was asked twice to join the Yardbirds. The first time he declined Keith Relf's offer due to not wanting to see Clapton ousted (and because studio work was good and meant he didn't need to travel, which was fine as he'd become ill during previous roadwork). The second time is when he recommended Beck. Also, Page was a producer as far back as the very early 60s, producing Little Joe Cook (Chris Farlowe), with 'Stormy Monday Blues' being a notable track. (In recent years Page remixed/remastered his Farlowe tracks as an album and made it available on his website. Farlowe still does 'Stormy Monday' with Colosseum.) Mention of Page on he Julie Felix show reminds me that drummer Cozy Powell, best known from the MkII Jeff Beck Group, Rainbow etc. was her drummer prior to joining Beck.
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If he turned it down twice how did he end up in the Yardbirds?
All good stuff, but here's your American error. When a Brit says, "Go down like a lead balloon", it means sink rapidly out of sight.That is FAIL MISERABLY. So, if and when Keith Moon applied that description to the New Yardbirds, he was saying that they were rubbish, and not saying the complete opposite , as implied here. Thanks be that Moonie was wrong and Led Zeppelin 'done good'.
@@ebutuoy4591 Americans use that phrase the same way, meaning disaster. The way I heard it in this connection was they would “go over like a lead zeppelin”.
@@a_missippian Definitely and originally 'balloon' cos we Brits can't spell zeppelin.
Blackmore also said he wrote Stargazer after hearing Kashmir.
Cool, I did not know that. I know that Blackmore has a lot of respect for Page.
I think Blackmore is very underrated. He's one of my most favorite guitarists
Solid
Fascinating he didn't like ,
or was embarassed by "",For yor Love""?
That is something fascinating to me.
It all comes from million plus hours of practice ,listening learning, the 98 percent of genius that is the sweat .
No sweat no genius.
I love the discretion .Eric Claptons fabic of his space .
Page is like him like that too ..
Your reporting is prodigious inspiring and astounding , by the way !!!
wowowiw!!!
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Jimmy had lightning in a bottle. As much as I hate he no longer plays, I’ve accepted he’s resting on his laurels. I saw Page and Plant several times in the 90’s. It was pure magic. I’ve seen Robert a few times in recent years. It’s a great show with mostly Zeppelin tunes. It’s hollow, good but hollow. Neither one of them can escape their legacy.
Well said, how do they match what led zep did; I saw Robert Plant , about 1990, he opened the show with ' nobody's fault but mine'
I hate when people say that. Page's catalog goes back before Zeppelin, even before the Yardbirds. Its incomparable. Would it be nice to see something new.... of course. But good lord why? Hes done it all and at the highest level. He deserves to do whatever the hell he wants. Resting on his laurels..... I think not.
Jimmy plays still, it may not be as relevant as it was back then but he still picks up a guitar
I wish Jimmy could pinch out one more album, and call it, "BIOLOGICAL RESEARCH", with Jeff guesting on a few tracks.
Yeah, I seriously doubt Jimmy will ever do another album. He's talked about doing one but I think it's all talk.
I have a timeline challange. The narrator of this videio says that in 1966, Jimmy Page couldn't afford a good guitar. Yet, when asked to play bass for the Yardbirds, he (Jimmy Page) left his Gibson Les Paul black beauty at home. WTF!
Yes he had that Gibson Les Paul black beauty but he used it for his studio work and kept it at home. He did not want to lose the guitar while touring. But instead of buying a good guitar, he played on Jeff Beck's tele. So I figure he couldn't afford one, he wanted to save his money
Led Wallet in the making
Did`nt that Les Paul Black Beauty (with a wammy bar), get stolen at a Canadian airport? Toronto I think. That`s why they stopped playing Canada.
@@karsguitarchannel6088, dude, idk where you're getting your info from, but it's wrong.
This stuff is easily researchable. Page WAS GIVEN that guitar from BECK himself.
@@alanosterman7130 No, Page's black Les Paul was stolen in Minneapolis Airport in 1970. It was tracked down some years ago - someone had modified it but a guitar repair person recognised it for what it was - and is now back with Page.
Jimmy Page has outlasted all of them.
Jimmy has maintained his credibility.
Jimmy has maintained his artistry.
Jimmy has been a gentleman this entire time.
I always thought he would pass away early because of drug abuse but...
He still has all of his mental faculties, and he now has a very young and beautiful girlfriend.
I went down to Greenlake a couple of years ago to watch him from afar surveying the southwest corner of Greenlake where they did one of their first gigs in the United States in 1969.
The Greenlake Amphitheater.
It is no longer there.
My girlfriend was at that show.
Jimmy was walking around like a young man, peering out over the lake, appearing to be reminiscing his past.
His girlfriend was in town to do some business at a local bookstore having to do with her poetry.
Security was keeping everyone away from him.
I play only Gibson Les Paul's because of Jimmy Page.
They're the Holy Grail of all guitars.
James Patrick Page...
THE BEST!
Jimmy Page practiced statutory rape for years with his underage girlfriend. He's lucky he didn't go to prison because he should have.
Compare Clapton's output to Page's in the last 40 years. Yes, Clapton has put out some mediocre stuff--you would too over such a long timeline-- but in the 90's until around 2010 he was indeed God, at least when playing live. Page? Um... er... yah.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh... except stealing the intro to Stairway from Randy Wolf, aka randy California. That must stick in Page's crawl that he didn't eve write his most iconic song.
You forgot the one who without his output there would have been no Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck.
Jeff has always been the most artistically adventurous of all, no Page, no Clapton have not been as creative as he was.
@@ari1234a Last time I heard beck it was all modern jazz noodling. There's a place for that but his take on it never appealed (for me)
I was never a big fan of Led Zeppelin because I was more into punk and they were more of a hippie band, but I respect them for their contributions to rock n roll and they did have a couple of tunes that I sort of like.
Communication Breakdown is proto punk. It inspired Johnny Ramone.
Check out their covers of C'mon Everybody and Something Else at the Royal Albert Hall in January 1970. They sound like punk before punk sounded like punk.
Glad to be at the debut of Cream at the Mansion House Pub in London ( a surprise gig put together in 24 hours ) Magical ❤️
Keith Moon was not talking about Zeppelin when he mad the joke about a lead balloon. he was talking about the players at the Beck's Bolero session. And Page did not seek out JPJ to invite him to join led Zeppelin. Jones called Page and ask if he needed a bass player for his new band.
Jeff Beck claimed that his band 'Beck's Bolero' was actually Led Zeppelin. He said that Jimmy Page saw his band and wanted it for himself. Yes, thank you for mentioning that John Paul Jones called Jimmy. I didn't want to go into details there. Because the story is about Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton
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Lucky for Page he did. JPJ is most likely the greatest instrumental musician of the 20th century. Mandolin, dobro, banjo, bass, organ, piano. If not for Page, guitar.
Clapton, Beck, and Page are great English guitarist but in my humble opinion my money goes on a young Peter Green. Man he could burn that fret board up !
Rory Gallagher The Best!!
Greens talent was his “feel” for a song, and the spaces between the notes, something Page never really had, and which Clapton lost in the heroin years. Nobody has ever mastered JB’s style, or ability to play such a variety of styles. Green was not a “burn up the fretboard type, unlike Page, but was the most melodic of them all.
@@neilgordon8145 I recommend the two CDs 'Live in London 1967' which John Mayall put together from some great live bootlegs. John McVie is on bass, Mick Fleetwood on drums. Peter Green proves he too could rip it up on tunes like 'The Stumble'. And what about Mick Taylor? Listen to this live track (recorded by Mayall) with Mayall on rhythm, Jon Hiseman drumming and Tony Reeves no bass. Taylor with the more interesting player of the Bluesbreakers' triumverate. czcams.com/video/H344QYJM18c/video.html
I kick myself for not attending that Midwest Rock Festival at State Fair Park West Allis. I was only 2 blocks away :(
These videos are like tabloids. Features about guitar stars bickering and backbiting. I know, I don't have to watch them. But how can I resist? Your bait has already lured me in!
Pedants comment. The manager’s name Oldham is not pronounced Old-ham but Old-um the ‘h’ is silent and the am is pronounced um.
As in the name of the northern English city which suggests it is from the Northern Lancashire accent. Apologies if already mentioned.
Good video and I was a teenager back then.
Pity I missed Jimi Hendrix cutting Eric when they first met at Regent St Polytechnic, where I went to college 2 years later.
Many thanks
In 1968 when I started at Regent Street Polytechnic I joined the ‘Ents Committee ‘ short for entertainment, which booked the bands and ran the ‘Hops’ as the gigs were called. I pushed to get Jimi Hendrix but he was supposedly out of our league by then at £1000 whereas the average rate was around £350. I say average but we still booked Pink Floyd, The Who, Jethrow Tull, John Mayall Bluebreakers with Mick Taylor and Fleetwood Mack with Peter Green to name a few. I recall asking Peter Green as he was going on stage if they could play Supernatural from when he was with John Mayall. He replied ‘I don’t think the band know it man’.
@@hagishag Always a Peter fan. Thanks for that last comment. RIP.
Yes I considered him the most tasteful of the Chicago Blues copyists. Indeed RIP. A sad tale.
Yes they all took it further in their own way.
That’s right!……I’m fact it’s a little bit like the led zeppelin drummers name It’s spelled……..J O H N….but its actually pronounced JE-SUS.
I happen to live in England with my parents at the time when all this british blues movement was in it's infant stages and all the future big names were jockeying for their positions so to speak. I often could kick my self for not getting involved as I have loved the blues since day one and came to England with an already fairly good knowledge of Americas black blues artists thanks to my 2 older sisters boyfriends blues records etc. I always thought I could have been a great producer, manager, writer or something of that nature. However I just don't know how seriously Clapton, Mayall, Beck, Page and all those guys would have taken an 8 yr old boy at the time lol
I got one of claptons plectrums from a gig he done in Guilford years ago ....
Page was absolutely right to avoid listening to other rock guitarists. Roy Harper was another big one for Page and I’m pretty sure the Incredible string band lived in Wales with the Led Zep Guys? He looked shockingly thin in 83 from heroin and alcohol use I’m guessing.
The only Clapton work I've liked is the Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking album. The whole album is a master piece. I've never heard a bad thing about Page and I've never heard him say a bad thing. I don't think I've ever even heard Page say a curse word.
Clapton's entire discography, and you only enjoy his work on a Roger Waters solo album?
@@danielmcdermott138 I don't deny he's one of the greatest. For some reason his solo work just doesn't hit me like other guitarists. I do like Cream a lot. I tend to like less traditional guitarists like Neil Young, Les Claypool, Tom Morello, Hendrix, Gilmour, Page, Iommi, Van Halen, Hillel Slovak, John Frusciante. I'm not mentioning them all to save you the read. I love guitar, my fav.
Yes I understand Jimmy is a really nice person
@@juliemanarin4127 When he isn't sleeping with underage girls.
Good video but i believe Jimmy was influenced by lots of guitar players for sure. Zep was sued how many times for ripping off blues musicians i believe. Also its funny how the blues purist Clapton quits the the Yardbirds but years later he sells out anyways for commercial stardom. Out of the 3 players the only one who really dug in and never wavered to any niche or flavor of the month was Jeff Beck. Listen to any of his work in the last 20 years its crazy how great of a player he is, he never looks back its full speed ahead. They all are very accomplished players and their work in Yardbirds, Zep, Cream and Becks work is incredible if you go through the catalogs of recordings of all 3.
Jeff Beck's Wired is still one of my favs. Also I like him, he just doesn't put up with any BS & is good friends with Rod
Big thanks for checking out, much appreciated! I don't believe that Zeppelin can be accused of ripping off guitar parts or music. Yes they borrowed some ideas but that's it. As Jimmy Page explained, blues men always borrow ideas from each other. Jimmy says that he's a product of the music that influenced him.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 I am not knocking Page or the band on that but they were taken to court on a couple of early songs. I believe back in the early 60's how could you not be influenced by someone else's playing though! Everyone was picking up things from everyone, you had to be with all the genfes of rock that were flourishing at that time, very experimental time.
Genres
Plant will straight out tell you they "borrowed" All good
Could you please do a video on my favorite player, and one criminally-unknown by most non-pickers, Roy Buchanan? He, Steve Cropper, and Curtis Mayfield are my holy Trinity of players, w/ "Greeny" and the immortal Pops Staples interchanging, according to mood or wild hair.
July 25-27 1969 Midwest Rock Festival. God Damn look at that lineup.
Page and caption new each other before either were famous . They jammed together all the time when they were teenagers at Jimmy's parents house along with jeff beck
Page and Clapton were friends and used to jam. I think Clapton's jamming was a one-off, though Page recorded it and 'somehow' it (and similar living room recordings with Beck) ended up on an album from Immediate Records...which just happened to be the label to which Page was signed as a producer. Hmmmm....
“ i think their characters have become very clear, they have become compounded “ someone please tell me what that means?
The video ends before the narrator finishes the quote.
I'm s rock guy from the 60's,70's, Eric was slowhand.
Thanks for another interesting video
Hi Charlie Ryan, great to see you! Thank you, much appreciated!
Not really sure how this narrative figures with the accepted story of Pagey doing all those well-paid sessions with JPJ and Clem Cattini etc in the mid & late 60's.
As pointed out by another poster, when he was bankrolling Led Zep. in 1968 he already owned a river-side house in upmarket Henley-On Thames.
Yes but by 1968, he already worked with Peter Grant and started his own project - Led Zeppelin
Maybe those sessions were well paid, but I don't believe he could buy a house or expensive car with that kind of work
As Ritchie Blackmore explained, it’s very hard to start without financial backing. And for Led Zeppelin that backer was Peter Grant, I figure.
That's true, I remember Jimmy mentioning that he'd been making some good money from session work and that by the time he was joining The Yardbirds he did not care if he would be making money as the session work just had become boring for him.
Page was extremely savvy from his session work. He produced the bands work so no production fees / royalty grab ( a lot of producers changing arrangements etc demand royalties or % future sales ) Also because he paid for the album to be recorded in full Atlantic didn’t advance them any money ( this is again typically done for a slice of future royalties) . They fulfilled an obligation in Sweden from the Yardbirds late 68 Did a small US tour early 69 (whisky etc) when no one had heard of them ,started snowballing in US by the second US tour of 69 ,second album released after writing it on the road ,UK press panned them but they filled the Albert Hall in January 1970 and the “kids” loved them.Rest is history .Jimmy paid the rest of the band a flat rate for Zep 1 whilst they waited for royalties. Peter Grant realised by working with the band rather than screwing them over ( he used to work for Don Arden!) it was win/ win . The amount of money they accrued must be staggering as they still sell consistently well year on year.They hit upon the perfect model for the time. , compared to say the Bay City Rollers who sold 120 million records in UK and US and didn’t earn a penny .Stones earned a pittance from royalties for everything before Sticky Fingers ( started their own label and got rid of Klein ) which is why they perfected mega tours as a lot of the back catalogue they didn’t earn enough off. If you don’t like their music you have to admire their business nous which was a combination of Page/ Grant .
Remember, Page produce some with Clapton while he was with Mayall when he was only 19.
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And Eric was 18!
@@jcruisioso5975 -And I was one
So many a cool cat were in the Yardbirds !!
Very cool story , even if i knew a lot , i still learned things , lot of details , like the recording issues ...
Didn't know about those songs that went for sale without clapton knowing !!
Very cool that you tell all those names that were part of hose labels by then !! Small Faces were cool too !!
Happy week , Rock on : )
Hi Christophe, big thanks! Rock on
Jimmys aprenticeship was the best of all them players but he could be quiet scrappy on electric but a fine acoustic player ,, the "Rain song"
Telephone blues is Eric’s best ever track IMO
Page is #1 in my opinion.
A big Clapton fan and honestly pretty much ANYBODY that is ANYBODY in the guitar world has pretty much shared a stage with Clapton. Clapton has his musical genius has shown all across different times for the last 55+ years while really the only thing Page is really known for musically is the years of Led Zeppelins success.
Clapton has also played with and is respected by most all of the big Blues legends as well and has put together some of the best compilations of stars together with his Crossroads festivals.
Clapton is at the top of the heap when you add it all together.
Can you please expand on the final line? 'Compounded? What did Clapton mean by this comment?
When EC left Mayall found a guy just as good in Peter Green.
Awesome!
And when Peter Green left, Mick Taylor takes his place.
I actually like Peter a little more, but Slowhand is still great.
@@beatmet2355 hard to beat Beano
@@chrisrobertson9264 Greenie??
That saying"Clapton is God" annoys me.
I mean,the guys good,in fact he's very very good but he's no Eric Clapton! 😁
It sounds great "Clapton is God" actually. I guess it was the first time someone called a guitar player "God". So Clapton was the first guitar god. This is really cool!
Two cool facts worth mentioning
A interviewer once asked
Bob Dylan
Some people refer to you as god
What he thought about that
Dylan smiled and said
Yeah, they called Clapton god to
The interviewer acted like he didn't get it
He was saying
A dog can piss on that too
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2nd fact
Eric Clapton indirectly
Was responsible for Ritchie blackmore owning his first strat
Clapton gave one of his strats to one of his roadies
Who didn't want it
Happened to be friends with blackmore
Who then gave the guitar to blackmore
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Yeah he's over hyped and over rated. He seems to do his best as a sideman, like at his Crossroads extravaganzas.
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Very over hyped
His best songs
Cocaine
After midnight etc.
Are j.j. cale songs
And
Dwyane almond wrote the famous Layla riff
Of course I'm speaking his solo work
cream is a whole other story
Jack bruce was a main driving force
I still have my original '69 edition of Led Zeppelin, and for credits it says for Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You : Traditional, Anne Bredon. Anne did not write the song. It was a traditional adapted by Anne, who then added her name to it. Joan Baez then recorded it with no real success, and then Voila! Zeppelin did it and here we are: THE END. Now for some more facts: LZ performed for a good part of '69 as New Yardbirds and or played Yardbird tunes live. From 1-9-70 onward, every show was sold out, of which LZ received 90% of the "gate" monies, something no other band even came close to, and their record label, Atlantic Records, the greatest on the planet, paid ALL production & promo costs(again, not duplicated by any other band), and got MUCH larger cut of the sales pie than any one else. I have heard recently that their LP sales have surpassed the Beatles for Units sold world wide. And all that, along with their killer live performances make them the BEST ROCK BAND IN THE WORLD!!!!!!! BAR none!!!!!!! LedHed Steven. P.S. I read someone blabbering on that if Page was so good, why hasn't he done anything in the past 40+ years? I'll posit that A: Unlike a lot of others, Page & Zeppelin put out their best work on the first 7 LPs; the Stones, for instance put out LPs into the 2000s, but I say the Last good one was 1971s Sticky Fingers. Also, Mr. Page alone is reported to be worth somewhere between 200 & 400 million dollars today. I liked Hendrix, but he carried the feedback and wander bar tricks way to far. When I first heard Page play the first guitar solo in Good Times, Bad Times I said that's how I wanna play the guitar. It was quite a while before those Hendrix LPs were played again. LedHed Steven, Ret. 🎸 P.S.P.S. I made a mistake about the time frame of when they toured as the New Yardbirds & then as LedZeppelin, late '68 to about April '69, and sold out concerts in '69, such as San Bernardino's Swing Auditorium ❤️. At the Bath Festival at Bath, UK in early '70, over 250,000 were in attendance for Led Zeppelin. LHS
Also worth including that Clapton mentions the similarity between Stairway to Heaven and his song Let It Grow in his autobiography.
Greatest band ever
That's just like... your opinion man.
Jeff Beck had a much better relationship with Jimmy Page than Eric Clapton. Beck and Page were "city boys" from neighboring suburbs with similar backgrounds. Clapton was a "country bumpkin" who had a harder time fitting in with the other two. That's probably why he gravitated more toward people like Duane Allman and Delaney Bramlett
Where in the city were both of them from in london i lived and worked there for 5 yrs and lived in putney and worked in knightsbridge and chancery lane just outside the city of london that is hilarious u said country bumpkin as in English nobody i think knew that term but I know what u mean as if I didn't live and work in london in heart of everything and lived outside london or the other cities England i would go out of my mind of boredrem i used to go 2 Oxford every weekend where my boyfriend has a house and loved golf country side garden and other pubs and restuarants in actual Oxford but I could never live there full time I thought eric clapton lived in surrey or i know at least he is born there i know that but clapton when he was living in Miami where I live now eric clapton had a beautiful huge mansion on the beach on golden beach/sunny isles beach 33160 and claptons album ocean drive is where his manager sent him to get off herion and he was able 2 and also patty boyd left George harrison when clapton called her telling her where he was and she left Harrison Immediately and got on a plane to Miami and never went back bell bottom blues and layla r about her and bell bottom blues was about patti boyd dying for a pair of bell bottom and begged him 2 send her a pair from Miami as nowhere else has them and I know why she was enamoured as I loved london but now I'm 45 and don't have to work and Miami but only where clapton lived i have the same zipcode but in sunny isles beach on the beach and is just so insanely beautiful fun safe and u see just insane things all the time out your door with amazing restuarant ls shopping bars hotel and beach there is pure blue i have been many beaches and this particular on collins avenue is the cleanest pure clear blue i love shopping in london and Miami but Miami has way better jewelry and that part of Miami is like dubai now for instance there r hotel residencses like Armani porshe design tower 6 Trump buildings and many other beautiful hotels and buildings
All you young kids listen to this history, if I had had access to this information when I was young I would have been in the rock biz!
Music, royalties and control. An age-old battle that has been played out over and over again. This is why managers and contractual attorneys are extremely important.
Yeah. Important in terms of being robbed blind by the small hats.
@@j.g.junior9835 the artists does not have to sign any contract. Until all conditions are satisfactory to all parties involved.
Plus, if Led Zeppelin copied or had stolen other artists music. Then why wasn't there litigation? I'm not being facetious I'm just trying to understand why wasn't there more or any litigation?
Absolutely superb historic video ' so many bits of the jigsaw filled in, thank you ' ...my Father was at school with John Mayall when he lived in Cheadle Hulme, England, when my Father knew him, John was actually living in a tree house in his parents back garden'
I live in Cheadle hulme Stockport, remember hearing the story about John mayall living in a tree house, hard to believe but totally true!
Thank you Ralph for checking out, much appreciated!
@@ricklee3654 He used to live on Acre Lane, the house is still there close to Malmesbury Road, he went to school at Woods Lane, with my Father'
@@ralphwest8156 I'm on gillbent Road, Malmesbury Road is just round the corner from me, that's the junction with copperfield Road and acre lane, know it well 👍
Great story. The difference between Jimmy and Eric is Eric is a great guitarist but Jimmy Page is not only the best guitarist ever but is also a musical genius.
Page is also a plagiarist.
@@beatmet2355 is he? I think he just adapts and vastly improves. He is also a great person whereas Eric is arrogant and rude. I know this from personal experience.
"Plagerism" has always been and it is a compliment.
Spot-on!
@@beatmet2355 stop...and go back to mommy's basement and eat your cheetoes...
What about Johnny Winter, Roy Buchanan and brother Duane Allman??
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