How to use the Line 6 HX Stomp with a pedalboard // 5 Tips for amazing tone
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In this video, Brian talks through 5 tips for using the Line 6 HX Stomp with a pedalboard. If you're new to Stomp or looking to integrate it into a board, this is a great starting point.
Gear used in this video:
Guitar: MJT Thinline Tele w/ Porter Vintage Tele pickups
BOARD:
Creation Elevation pedalboard
Korg Pitchblack Tuner
Empress Compressor Mk II
Analogman King of Tone
King Tone Duellist
Boss DD-500 Delay
Eventide H9
Eventide Blackhole
UA Golden Reverb
Strymon Ojai and Zuma power
Morningstar MC8 Midi Controller
Morningstar ML5 Midi Switcher (under the board to control the drives via midi)
Learn more about this board here: • Brian built a pedalboa...
HX STOMP: The Stomp was running just amps, IR's, and an EQ block. Using the WT AC/LNSTR patch.
HOW I HAVE GLOBAL SETTINGS CONFIGURED ON MY STOMP:
Ins/Outs:
Input level: Inst
Output level: Line (you might want to change this to Instrument if you are running the Stomp in front of other pedals. If the Stomp is last in your chain, leaving this to Line may work better for different mixing or recording devices)
Send/Return: Inst
Preferences:
Bypass Type: Analog
Tempo Pitch: Transpr (this will remove the weird sounds when you change delay times)
The rest of the Global Settings will really depend on how you want to interact with your Stomp and won't have an effect on the tone
Table of Contents:
00:00 - Intro playing sample
01:03 - Intro/Welcome, and how this video is organized
02:40 - TIP 1: Stereo or Mono - How to set up Stomp for either scenario
03:39 - Setting up Stomp patches for Stereo boards (HX Edit)
06:57 - How to take a single amp stomp patch and convert it to a dual amp stereo patch (HX Edit)
09:22 - How to run a single amp block in Stomp in front of your stereo wet effects)
10:51 - Setting up a single amp Stomp patch to run in front of wet fx (HX Edit)
13:26 - What this board sounds like with the Stomp sitting in front of the wet effects
15:56 - A quick note about delays and reverbs after the amp vs in front of the amp (more on this later)
17:42 - TIP 2 - Gain Staging (this is really important)
18:42 - Gain Staging pt1 - Set up any always on dry pedals (like compressors or always on drives)
20:40 - Gain staging pt2 - Set up your drive section
21:51 - TIP 3 - Dialing in wet effects (pre-amp, post-amp, and notes about gain)
25:38 - Avoid changing gain AFTER your wet effects (THIS IS IMPORTANT)
28:04 - TIP 4: Have a Stomp patch that is just effects - in case you run your board into an amp or other modeling device
30:43 - TIP 5 - Don't expect Stomp to sound like a tube amp in the room with you (its not designed to)
33:10 - Final Notes
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Who's running HX Stomp with a board? Let us know! I'm continually impressed with how good it sounds :)
I use my stomp with a mini board. Have a volume pedal and some overdrives in front of the stomp. I use the stomp for amp/cab models and wet effects mostly.
I know you can use the stomp with a kemper stage, i just want to learn how to do that
Helix LT ?
@Henry - what about Helix LT?
Ever since I got the HX Stomp it’s been an essential part of my board. I use a stereo effects block for all my wet effects.
I’ve been doing this for a year- drives up front and delay/ reverb in the loop. Love the flexibility it gives to run the whole board into an amp or go direct depending on the situation. The stereo options also make it an incredible solution for headphones practice
I run hx stomp with my board for amps, reverbs, and any modulation I need. Delays coming from a dd500 in the stomp fx loop. All drives before. Love it!!
I’ve been running my pedalboard into the HX for a couple years with a single amp and IR at the end of the board with a lot of success. For me, I run the amp (Matchstick is my go to as well as a Princeton or Bassman type) clean/edge of breakup at the end of the chain, and let my compressor (Diamond), Boost (RC Booster pre-OD’s and Vertex Boost post-OD), overdrive pedals (Nobels ODR-1, original JRockett Blue Note, Wampler Gearbox) do the work. My delay (Nemesis) and reverb (Specular Tempus) are external as well running thru the Stomp FX loop. Using modulation effects (chorus, trem, vibrato) from the HX and everything is routed to midi controller (Musicomlab) where I can change patches on the stomp, control my overdrives, and turn on/off modulation effects from the stomp. I also use an expression pedal plugged into the stomp that is controlling the Specular’s wet level via midi. Since my Stomp is at the end, I just use a balanced TRS to go straight into the house without a DI. The HX is brilliantly compact with a ton of firepower. The one thing left for me to experiment with is moving the effects block before the amp, as opposed to after the amp block. I’ve heard somebody like a David Giraldo say that he’s had a lot of success doing it this way which I’d prefer just like a real amp situation going into the front.
This is turning into my plan after a year playing my Headrush pedalboard. Use the pedalboard for the gain & amps, and pedals for modulation, delays, and reverbs. It's the best of both worlds!
I’m running morning star ml5 looper into the stomp. I have an merc 7 and a ua golden reverberator running in the stomps effects loop this is all controlled by an mc6. I have most of my patches set as either an stereo, wet/dry, mono. Or a just fx. I love the flexibility of the unit as a whole. Having the ability to quickly decide on what I’m going to use on a Sunday is huge. We are incredibly blessed to be living in this age of creative engineering
I run the HX Stomp with all preamps (Comp, Drives, etc) in the FX Loop, then the amps + IR and wet effects from the stomp to a Mako R1. Love the sounds
Thanks for doing this. I actually run a Zoom G1x Four, but I'm still planning to run my big board into it. I think this will still be helpful for giving me some ideas for an upcoming Youth conference gig where I need to use both together.
I use an hx stomp for amps and some effects. My signal path is tuner>drives>volume>left input of stomp> out of fx loop send with an EBS stereo TRS to dual TR cable with dd-500>jet revelation> stereo return to hx stomp. I primarily use your Cartographer patch to do this. Though I don't think the delay in the updated Cartographer is stereo so maybe I'll cut that since I have the dd-500 and save the DSP. Something I've done instead of turning up the mix of my pedals in the fx loop is cut the input gain by 3 or so db, then boost the output gain by 5db. Helps the fx in the loop remain clear and present.
Thanks for the video man, it was helpful. Just got a stomp today
Sounds amazing...great video
Appreciate it, this was very helpful!!
Long term follower here! First thank you for helping learn guitar! I lead and play for worship now in NH and you are by FAR the biggest contribution to that. Ive now bought a PRS and I feel like I'm starting from scratch haha! I'll be buying a POD GO this feb to start my pedal journey, ....or should I go stomp? Again. I have a PRS an amp and motivation, but thats it :) love your videos, best teacher out there by far.
Hey ! Blessings to you; glad to hear deciding to enter the realm of pedal effects sounds. My advice to you is to get the podgo - same sounds, and it's got an integrated volume/wah pedal. It's also slightly affordable, but that's bc there are some things that it doesnt have that the hx stomp does (such as less amount of effects you could use- less "dsp".
But it wont really matter to you if you only use a plug and play, directly into DI for your church. If that's all you do, and use headphones for practicing, try out the podgo. hx stomp is perfect for integrating other pedal sounds, interfacing, more small sized etc.
Hope this helps
@@moments_with_IH thanks for the pro tips!:)
that intro sounds huge - great work
It is like you read my mind. I am currently building a pedal board with the HX stomp and the UA Golden reverberator
Thank you soooo much! :) So very usefull and explained really good.
Brian’s board is so so good
Thanks! I do love it - and more so every time I play it.
I’m a bassist I use the hx stomp for many different ways. I use the stomp on one end as an amp only sometimes for an effect or two. I tend to use the loop a lot for guitar base effects for a mix for cleans for the low end to come out. I can use the hx stomp only if I have to with one effect. But I Mainly use the stomp for effects and eq for my live amp (Mesa walkabout 12) I use a two notes cab m on the Mesa for a cab sound does wonders and gives nice stage volume. I have a pretty large board with compression, dirt pedals, sans amp tuner pretty much everything a bassist uses and the stomp works great in every way
I just got an MC6. The most pain I've experienced with gear recently was figuring out how to change between banks and turn patches on in the DD-500 with the MC6. I wish I could figure out how to get the MC6 to stop flashing one preset let's say a delay in the boss, when I turn on another preset that changes banks and patches on the boss. Your pedalboard inspired my mc6 purchase though. Thanks!
I’m currently running a mono setup with wah & fuzz in front of my HX Stomp, my analogue drives in the loop so I can use the stomp for comp / eq or anything else I want in front of them, and Stomp for mod / delay etc
I personally think running one amp and one or two IR's is the best and sounds plenty big and leaves you with plenty of DSP. I love my setup and it sounds pretty good. not perfect, but good enough for my needs. I agree that this is the year of pedals and remember to use what you have and don't worry about having a ton of gear if you can't afford it. You don't need to go crazy with pedals to make a good sound!
Running the HX Stomp with the PBC 6x switcher and other pedals… allows you to move from the end of your chain (acting as an amp at church direct) or earlier in the chain for different effects and plug into an amp (at home)
I agree, I went all in into pedals again. But my final pedals before the board is a pair of Two notes torpedo CabM+
Damn am looking your 9 years ago vids now am hype
Do you ever run into any problems with input clipping from drives overpowering the Stomp's input stage? Or is the input pad enough for you?
Yes. Definitely yes. Im actually looking at this video in order to find a solution for this.
I currently use an all stomp box setup and am thinking about getting a stomp to lighten my board but keep my favorite pedals still.
I always use fx loop in the hx stomp for my wet pedals (reverb/delay/ mod) for a better and clean sound
I run my HX stomp on my board for reverbs, delays, eq compression and amps and I use an Ibanez TS9 and a JHS Morning Glory and a Ernie ball vp jr
Brian and Bradford - best place to insert stereo fx loop block? The Match Chief TM is tasty.
definitely gonna get one as a utility pedal for my next pedalboard (for use with my matchless). i have an H9 that does utility for my main bogner pedalboard.
A different board for each amp. This is the standard I need to aspire to 😅👌🏻
Would love a video like this but with the Fractal FM3 instead of the HX Stomp. Thanks!
Great video, very helpful!
Question - which amp model, in the hx stomp, sounds as good as or close to a Fender hot rod deluxe?
Hey Brian, very helpful video!! I’m new to the pedalboard world with HX Stomp, and I’ve been seeing things about buffers. Do you use a buffer before and after your pedalboard rig? And I know some pedals have them built in.
Thanks! Several of the pedals on my board have buffers in them. Check this video out for more info - it’s super helpful: czcams.com/video/eaZY4P_hsuU/video.html
A big thing for me was when I stopped putting things between my external drives and the amps. I used to run mod between them and the pedals sounded like garbage. Now I put modulation like vibrato or phaser between amp and IRs and the difference is huge.
Awesome great music song.
Do you guys use those FRFR cabs you mentioned or how else do you usually monitor the sound when you play/record? Great video as always.
We usually run whatever we’re playing through into the Apollo and then monitor through studio monitors (Dynaudio BM5’s). Thanks!
Would love to see a video on a HX Stomp + HX Effects only pedalboard, and or patches targeted toward such a setup.
We’ve had a few people ask about Stomp + HX Effects, but we always suggest getting a Helix in that situation. You get a lot more flexibility and integration that way.
@@worshiptutorials I definitely considered it, but I didn't think I would ever use it to it's full DSP potential, so for me, the ability to pack my entire rig up in any backpack was of more value.
Not to mention I already owned an HX Effects when I decided to buy the Stomp. It's hard to let go of a real amp...
super cool video thx! i run my drive pedals into effect loop of the helix. another effect loop i use a boss rc500 looper (including drums). drive pedals in the beginning of the chain and looper at the end. something wrong with this setup in your opinion?
POD Go user here. Great topic! I just got a big sky, and can confidently say, freeing up any block AT ALL is an “order of magnitude” change. Whether it’s drive, delay, or reverb in the effects loop, that extra block is a game changer.
Can you do this way Brian? I"m thinking about using hx stomp as stereo. Comp -> chase bliss mk ii --> L(mono) Hx stomp (have two amps, two IR --> fx loop (reverb) --> hx stomp stereo output
Thanks for the vid! Just curious about something. I'm planning on running my Stomp as AMPS + IR, and using the stereo send/return vto use a 2nd gain overdrive + specular tempus. Is it best to place the external pedals before OR after the amps? Many say it sounds best after, but it sounds just fine on this video, even though it's before.
Look forward to the responce!
I run all three of my OD's into the FX loop so I can move them around in my patches. More often than not, I run my volume+wah pedals into the HX, compressor in the stomp, FX loop ODs, and then my amp/wet fx. I also have a delay and verb after the HX output in stereo and I love the setup!
Love my stomp, I use your patches and usually just bring one of my own over drives and it’s a perfect little Sunday board………What was that about July and a Kemper that runs two profiles lol
That is what I do too, I love how simple and practical it has become for me. I have an overdrive and delay in the fx loop, and use the stomp for reverb and amp. Leaves plenty of blocks available for any other specialty effects.
How would you run this if you have pod go, external pedals and the stomp for dual amps? I’m trying to work it all out and make it stay stereo ☺️
What would you suggest for us peasants that have to run mono at church?
mono is just fine
I'm thinking about grabbing one of these. How well does it handle being a stand alone
I need help/input:
I use a external preamp pedal as my amp. I use an IR for my cab.
So my pedal has to either be pre stomp or in the effects loop. I love th sound when it’s in the loop at the end of the chain with the IR. I usually run it with a wet dry dual path.
BUT I want to add a stereo reverb pedal (jet revelation) in the loop. The obvious problem is that the preamp is already taking up one return.
Should I just run the revelation as mono? Should I run the preamp before thr stomp leaving the revelation as stereo?
Or run the preamp in the fx loop into the revelation into the hx as both stereo and into two IRs which wouldn’t be wet dry.
Basically it’s a decision of wet dry vs stereo wet.
Hey brother. No matter how I connect my vox wah to my HX stomp a loud hum happens when I engage it. I have tried everything!
I would love to see a video using a FM3 with a Big Sky.
I have almost this same setup and sound utterly different. I run an ampless board with a signal chain: Guitar -> Duelist -> Cali 76 -> LightKeeper -> HX Stomp -> effects loop -> H9 -> Hx Return -> Phones/Out. It's all controlled with a Morningstar Mc6. I run York Audio IRs.
The main thing with a board this absurdly versatile is that the thinking of how you design the control scheme (like say, the switch layout across HX / H9 morning star) is at least as interesting as the sounds you can get out of the board. I've spent a ton of time trying to figure out a way to navigate things such that I can hit a single button and get a specific sound very quickly without getting lost.
@WorshipTutorials. How about a video describing the control flow on the MC?
Thanks Matthew! I actually filmed a video today going over how I program the MC8 to make a song patch that essentially works like snapshot mode on a Helix
@@worshiptutorials Nice! A more versatile approach than a song specific patch is an artist specific patch. I (am about to) organize my MC6 around a series of "sound like [famous guy here]". An EJ page has two different EJ modes, a gilmour landing page, etc. Ex: I have a Knoplfer landing page with two different gain levels on tap (clean early sound and furry overdrive sound), a long delay, a slapback delay, a pitch shift chorus. The idea is to teleport the rig into a mode that's centered around a single amp model with two or three gain levels plus one or two effects. For church, lots of time is spent on the Tom Petty page (AC30 -> tape delay + chorus + an octave shifter) with all the effects off.
The huge advantage is you can dial up a sound for a new song quickly and have some options without getting paralyzed or constantly rejiggering your patch set. One button is always mute/tuner, one is tap tempo, one button is go back to artist browse mode.
I was on a vineyard team for ten odd years and found that the amount of effects I liked was roughly an order of magnitude more than my worship leader did, so dialing in more subtlety was better. Univibe that sounded great in my bedroom simply did not work at 9am. Even if you setup for snapshots, you want to be able to kill things that are a distraction fast.
@@worshiptutorials Fantastic rig, BTW. Not sure if you ran into this problem but I found I clip the H9 when I put it in the HX loop unless I back the Effects loop block send WAY off.
I’m thinking about doing exactly this with my rig. I currently have a Boss MS-3 that I use for compression, modulation, delay, and reverb with three drives in the loops. I love the functionality of building a patch per song so I’ll keep that basic setup. I’ve run different pedals after the MS-3, mostly a second reverb and a looper, and I’m looking for an amp/cab sim for running direct. HX Stomp does all of that and more and it’s all in one box.
If you wanna use this set up live, can you only go through FOH? There is no input for your own monitors also. What can you do?
Is there any difference using the fx loops vs coming out through the stereo effects???
Would love to see something similar with the axe3
What about when you are required to run through the sound board with no amp?
I realize this is an old video, but it's quite helpful. I have a question though. I pretty much always play mono because it's just simpler for the sound guy. On the helix is it possible to run 2 amps and IRs in parallel and blend them in a mono signal?
Yes! You can mix them where the patches merge back together OR just run them into one IR/cab and adjust ch. volume of each amp to taste.
@worshiptutorials I wish they'd release something like the HX One with all of the amp models. I don't really need all of the effects, so just having an amp sim/IR loader would be great...I know the POD Go Express is a thing, but I want to try some other amps. The the POD GO Express amps are pretty well the same as the Line 6 Catalyst
Drives up front into an Iridium, straight into the stomp, volume pedal in the loop. Profit. Taking the amp/cab load off the stomp lets you run pretty much any standard set of effects without running out of dsp. I've never hit the dsp limit when making patches in this configuration.
Yeah that's a great way to go. People mostly assume that Stomp is meant to replace amps (at least I think they do), but it does so, so much more. And one of the things Stomp/Line 6 does particularly well is the overdrive models. We've compared them to the actual pedals quite a bit, and they're crazy close.
@@worshiptutorials at one point I had the Iridium in the loop so I could use the HX drives, that's a great way to incorporate another modeler too
I know you've done the video with Brad's board and the AxeFX, any plans to revisit the AxeFX with pedals again? In a more informative style like this?
Sure! We could do that. The same principles would apply, but we can show off how awesome it sounds.
Fractal’s routing options are different (actually a lot more powerful and flexible), so it would be worth talking about that too.
@@worshiptutorials yeah I was thinking about how much power the AxeFX has and how much you can do with complex signal routing, even the FM units are really powerful, but you could do some special things with the big AxeFX
Can someone Help me.Basically I am doing the exact thing Bryan is doing.Have One Amp and IR on top and another amp and IR on bottom have A panned left and B panned right on both The In signal and Out Signal but I still only here an amp sound in my Left ear.I could rly use some help
what if i have a stereo effects setup in front of the hx stomp.. and in the stomp i have one amp and one IR in the end of the signal chain.. does it still count as Stereo or sum to mono?
If you have a single IR block, it will sum. If you use the stereo IR block and load the same IR in both sides, you’ll retain the stereo image.
Summing stereo to mono is a compromise and in many opinions a lot worse than just mono. Vertex Effects has done videos on this, worth listening to before choosing to go summed-mono over regular mono. Once you hear an A/B comparison of summed mono vs regular mono, I personally don't know how you could ever choose that, but to each their own.
Do ALL of your blocks have to be stereo to remain stereo or can use use mono blocks into stereo blocks? Thx
Once you start stereo you need to keep it stereo or it will sum.
yes this.
at 8:07, why would you need to duplicate the amp? you didn't change the amp settings for path B. So, couldn't you just use 1 amp block and have the split AFTER it with the 2 different IR block on each path? that would save a block, or am I missing something.
If you have a stereo signal going into Stomp, using a single amp block will sum it to mono. So you have to use two amp blocks to retain the stereo image from your effects.
Does this work as well with the FM3?
Yes for sure. FM3 cannot run two amp blocks, so you can’t run a stereo board into it and retain stereo imaging. So you’d have to run FM3 so that the amp block is in front of any stereo effects.
what is your volume pedal??
HX Stomp is saying make space for me!!!
serious question: why the emphasis on 'worship', in "worship tutorials"? is that such a specific music style that it sets itself apart from other styles, in a guitar tone way?
Yes
I realized while watching this that if I close my eyes, you sound a lot like Chris Pratt!
Uh oh Kemper secrets coming out 🤪
Will we finally see a new Kemper?
"edge of breakup"
Meanwhile: full on distortion
Lol
Nice try. So. I thank you. But the video is Disjointed and without a map. As such, I can't follow.
Hi! Do you have a....beginners guide on how to record videos like this....gear, set up, etc..that'd be a cool tutorial...thanks!!!! @worshiptutorials..