Tame The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe! [Or Any Loud Clean Guitar Amp With An FX Loop]
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- Welcome to the show! Today’s video is about offering some solutions to a real-world issue faced by many people - taming volume in a loud clean amp, but retaining a little bit of feel and dynamics. We’re using the specific example of the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - an extremely popular and great sounding amp… but a goodly number of people have struggled with the somewhat all-or-nothing volume control.
It should also be said, however, that these approaches will work with any loud clean amp that has an effects loop.
I just want to make it clear - Mick here - that nobody is saying the Hot Rod deluxe sounds ‘bad’ or that this is a universal ‘problem’. It is simply to offer some approaches to a different tone and feel if you’re either: a) struggling with that, or b) just fancy trying something a little different.
We also know that the HRD IV (latest version as of July 2023) addresses this issue somewhat. Nevertheless, it’s still bloomin’ loud and attacking for a lot of people.
Would we rather crank it? Yes. Do we think it sounds better much louder? Yes. But this is for the times when that isn’t possible…
Can you mod it? Yes. Are there other ways to do it? Yes. These are just some relatively easy ideas to try.
Finally, you might be confused about the volume you’re hearing in your headphones / monitors, because the quiet sounds are relatively loud too. Ie, you won’t perceive the GIANT volume differences that Dan and I are experiencing in the room. That’s because if we’d kept the recorded levels the same, the quiet sounds would just sound rubbish and relatively inaudible. So in the recording, I make the quiet bits louder so you can hear the tone clearly. If you want to understand the relative volume differences, look at the DB meter when it’s in shot. Hope that explains it!
Enjoy the show!
Pedals & stuff used in today’s episode
• Nobel ODR-1
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• Strymon El Capistan V1 - no longer made, links to newest version
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• MXR 10 Band EQ
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• Origin Effects Cali 76 Compact Deluxe
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• Effectrode Blackbird
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• TheGigRig Underliner
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• Palmer PDI06 Attenuator
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Interesting bits & go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
2:30 Today’s task
3:35 The problem explained
5:30 The problem demo’d
7:35 Transient response?
8:37 Limit with an overdrive pedal
11:20 Limit with an EQ pedal
14:30 EQ & compressor in FX loop explained
16:10 EQ & compressor in FX loop demo’d
24:45 Separate preamp in the FX loop explained
26:14 Separate preamp in the FX loop demo’d
30:47 TheGigRig Underliner explained
31:45 TheGigRig Underliner demo’d
40:22 Speaker attenuator explained
41:50 Speaker attenuator demo’d
45:17 Closing thoughts and roundup
Guitars used in this video
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 - Mick’s video here: • Gibson Memphis 1958 ES...
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video here: • That Pedal Show - Our ...
Amps in this episode
• Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - links to latest version
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Oh thank you for using the El Cap. I know a lot of us do and it’s nice to hear what you can do with it. :) Also, I’m forever grateful that you guys do this show. Your friendship together, shared interest, entertainment and education you both give.. I’m not sure you could realise how much it means to some of us. The show really does make my world a better place, and I’m sure it does the same for many others too.
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The show definitely puts extra sunshine in my day!! I look forward to every video and the hour passes way too quickly.
Same here
this show has helped my music career immensely
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The Underliner provided the best demonstration of “amps sound better cranked” that I’ve ever heard. Thanks for what you do, gents.
Really love this episode for showing a lot of creative ways to solve a very common problem without it being constrained the way a gear demo can be. Mick's comment about this all boiling down to gain staging was very illuminating.
I was just looking at one of these at the local guitar gear shelter here, and was considering rescuing it, and seeing this video and reading all the great comments and tips about it have led me to conclude it will indeed be finding its way home to me later today. Thank you very much for making the division of my estate that much more difficult for my family. I may even rescue that D&M Drive they have.
Didn’t quite finish the episode yet but one thing that comes to mind on this one is how I feel like your guys are explaining things that I’ve been subconsciously trying to achieve for years
Hoooray! That is our hope!
Fantastic video guys, I have a Classic 30 and have been trying the EQ in the loop and your compression adds more to the sound. Enjoy the channel. Side note, I found myself trying Micks eye glass trick while watching. 😂🤓❤️
Fun show. I really look forward these every week! It’s my favorite show.
As a former owner of a Hotrod DeVille, I always used the drive channel set fairly clean instead of the clean channel as it felt slightly warmer, quieter and more useable.
I do the same thing with my hotrod deluxe. Just sounds and feels better.
Yes that is true. Is warmer and with less bass but that channel does not react the same to pedals than the clean channel
This was the most useful and enlightening episode about music instruments ever for me. I first got a pre/power attenuator but never got the tones I knew were in the amp. Just now I went out and got a 10 band MXR and put it in the pre out/ power in output/inputs on my 410 65w Hot Rod deluxe from 2004 (or so). I now have a fabulous tone machine that makes all of my guitars - whoever the manufacturer - sound exponentially better (ie order of magnitude, power of 10, etc.). Thank you thank you thank you!
all kinds of great ideas in this -- had no idea the video would provide so many alternatives, thanks again!
The first thing I would do with a Hot Rod Deluxe IV is swap the first two preamp 12AX7s for 12AY7s, and the phase inverter 12AX7 for a 12AU7. If it's still too loud, stick a volume control in the effects loop, all you need is a passive voltage divider.
Exactly! 👍
This is what I did as well. Think there’s an old Phil McKnight video on it. It really tames that amp and spreads the volume across the vol lot better as well. I think the George benson comes with these tubes in stock.
Too overkill. That way the quietest drummer will drown all your sound
I find that a 12AT7 in the phase inverter (V3) solved the clean headroom problem for me. I don't much care for the drive channel so I use a StewMac EC Expander pedal into their Ghost Drive Klon clone for distortion and I never have to take it over 4 on the clean channel. It's an extremely bright amp so I have a Boss EQ7 pedal at the end of the signal chain to tame the midst. And instead of my regular guitar mics I use a LD condenser mic to record (doesn't work well on stage though).
@@madscientistdave have you tried changing the Mid cap (C6) from .022 uF to .015 uF?
Fantastic video, and thank you, as always, for all of the thorough work you put into this! I've always used an attenuator with my AC30-esque amp for home volume and have been consistently underwhelmed. I'll often use the overdrive-as-limiter approach, but feel that I lose a lot of the character of the amp itself. Just tried a 10-band eq in the FX loop, followed by a compressor with a touch of dry signal blended in, and I love it. I never would have thought to do so prior to the experimentation you gents are kind enough to share with all of us. Thank you again!
Great show lads! Very practical and informative. There was one other method which I’ve used on fender amps to tame volume jump; You zero all the channel eq, boost the volume up and then bring up the eq knobs to taste to kind of fine tune the volume while also sculpting the tone. Have a great weekend 🤘🏻
Thanks guys and greetings from Greece.
I have a HRD IV and do exactly these things with pedals to tame it.
This amp is fantastic!!!
“Underdrive” - very clever! I’ve known about using my EQ pedal as a clean boost, but hadn’t thought of it also being able to do the opposite with a more dynamic amp. Extra thanks for including info about the effects loop (still a bit confusing for some of us). Great topic, gents 😃 👍
" taming volume in a loud clean amp, but retaining a little bit of feel and dynamics."
Never clicked so fast on a TPS upload, or any other upload for that matter! This is perhaps the #1 problem I have to deal with as a hobbyist guitarist. I don't use a HRD but I do have a couple of fairly loud clean amps. Thank you Dan & Mick.
Legends, you are.
I often use the separate preamp into FX loop return and it's a great way to go.
Really interesting. I had a Laney VC15 watt amp that had the same issue, it was unplayable for my circumstances. Anything above 1.5 on the volume was too loud, but also sounded rubbish. I now have a modern Vox AC10 and I can play it at full volume (it is loud but, but struggles over a drummer) and I have never been happier with the dynamics of an amp. I am considering buying another and running them together. Love your channel! I always learn so much.
I just got an Audio Source Programmable EQ2 and I've had some time to experiment with it taming a Pro Reverb set to 8 on the volume. Suhweet! It really does the trick! I bought the pedal in anticipation of soon getting a 5e3 (loud!) amp. And thanks to your suggestions - especially focused on using the Overdrive and the EQ - I'm confident I'm ready to tame the 5e3. Thanks to you both! I think I'll be visiting your merch shop soon as another way of saying "Thank you."
Love you guys. Thank you for taking the time to point out some not so obvious and needed to be clarified facts along the way.
Great stuff. Gives me fresh ideas for taming volume while shaping tone.
I've had my Hot Rod Deluxe for like 8 years now! I put a passive attenuator in the FX Loop and it's been a dream ever since
Same here. Works perfectly
Me too. Mine has a -24dB to -6dB Range and i have my HR volume at 4 and everything is great. I use -24dB for home, and -6dB for gigs, all other settings stay the same
Great show guys. Really enjoyed your perception of the use of the
FX loop using rack gear for so long the refresher truly helped. Thanks and Cheers!
Spectacular video! Scratched some deep itches. I've fought this for years, currently fighting it again. I made a passive "master" volume control for the effects loop. Simple solution with decent results. I've also played with a "underdrive" solution like yours. Got that idea from the Marcus King rig rundown in 2017 where he runs a Super Reverb really hot with a TS9 sitting on his amp ahead of the input to cut the guitar volume.
Love TPS, guys. Strong work.
I own a Blues DeVille 4x10 60W combo amp and I always had this kind of problem, until today. After watching your video, I had an idea to simply intall a Beringer 12AX7 MIC-100 tube preamp in the effects loop of the amp. This fixed the problem without losing tone. The configuration: Guitar -> Pedal Board -> Amp In. Than on the effects loop: Amp loop send (Preamp Out) -> MIC-100 -> Amp loop return (Power Amp In). Than I adjusted the volume knobs and now it sounds gorgeous and controllable. Thanks for the idea. MIC-100 has only Volume In and Volume Out controls, it does not have EQ controls. The valve in the MIC-100 Preamp is a sigle 12AX7. Try this, it works!
My favorite option while retaining the natural tone of the amp was the speaker attenuator. The other options sounded fantastic but also added their own thing. Attenuation felt purest, great video!
I’ve had a 60watt 2x12 Deville since ‘06 that I’ve always struggled with due to the volume. This episode has offered some really good tips I’ll be trying out for sure! Thanks guys 👍🏻
Wampler has a great episode on how to build a pedal to act as a master volume and another on how to use the eq on the deville from way back, helped me a ton
Very interesting and eye opening show today fellas. Thank you!
I have a '96 Deville. I just ordered a EQ. Thank you guys so much for this.
Hey Dan and mick Fred here from Brooklyn NY I love the show and keep up the gd work. I learned so much about dialing in tones and the use of gain and less gain to get a great tone. Right on guys awesome.
As a Hot Rod Deluxe owner for years, I've always struggled with this. Recently settled on putting a JHS Little Black Amp Box in the effect loop. I also changed one of the pre-amp tubes, but I may put the original back. Awesome to see and hear all of these options, and to have you guys go into so much depth! Appreciate the vid! :D
you should put the originals tubes back and get an eq pedal, i also have a hot rod and using my volume knobs on my od and fuzz plus my eq and jhs amp box i can use the amp comfortably at like 4-6 and when i wanna push it i can go up to 10 but i do sacrifice not having my actual tone because at that point im just gain staging all the pedals for max volume which is a nice sound ( this is the tone most people reach for ) but i actually feel like if you avoid simply gain staging for volume and you let the pedals show their colors more you get more unique tones
also a huge tip on overdrive and especially distortion, if you have a good clean base, you dont need to dirty the signal as much as you think if you use the amps natural loudness/gain to power the pedals so that your pedals dont have to go from 2 on the knobs to 8 for you to hear a difference in the tone
@@cheeseboy075 That's a great tip! Thanks for the reply!
I do have an EQ pedal on my board, but I run it in the front of my amp to remove a few harsh frequencies from my admittedly high gain pedals (I love scooping my mids... don't judge me!). I've been thinking about moving it to the effects loop recently though, so I'll probably do that on my next board edit. I'll certainly try cranking the amp though to see what kind of dirty tones I can get.
All that said, even with just the JHS amp box, I usually run my amp at 6 or 7 and it's pretty comfortable... albeit with tamer tubes.
I've heard that You can use a second hand ecc83 that now has a lower power rating in v1- Being between an ecc83 and ecc81
I put a 5751 in V1 on my blues deluxe, works much better and tames it a lot as it has 70% of the 12ax7 tube@@user-qe4rs4gy9i
Great show guys! Always is! I've learned a few interesting things, and now I'm interested in purchasing the GigRig Underliner in the near future. Thank you!
I have similar troubles with my little Vox practice amp. Will definitely try this out. Essential channel, keep up the excellent work guys!
Very interesting video guys, I learned a lot today! Thank you!
Nice episode. I have a 60 watt Deville and use a volume pot in the effects loop to act as a master volume on the clean channel. Works well for me.
This is so informitiv, thanks a lot guys I learned a lot.
The back door attenuator. Nice. Never thought about it that way. Excellent work.
Man you guys are helpful. Thank you for this episode
Such an interesting show. The observation about why loud can sound so spiky and lacking in sustain through loud, high headroom amps hits it on the head. My own favorite amp tone is the Magnatone Twilighter stereo, which is two complete amps in one cab, has no effects loop and stays just a wee bit over 2 on the volume as a daily level. It sounds so glorious and I rarely use anything more than a Cali76 with it. Sometimes a Jester. And ARDX20. I just love that amp. But I treat it with respect, much like a lion which is said to be domesticated. Keep an eye on it. Don't do something silly, like hitting it with boost. Start any new pedal at low output and sneak up toward unity. I've learned the harsh way.
dang, how did I never think of running the overdrive into a volume-lowered eq pedal? Such an obvious idea, and works great, as you demonstrate. Thank you!
Lovely stuff, gents. Thanks for this - lots of strategies to explore. 👍
I'm glad you guys did a show on this. I've been using a JHS Black Box (FX loop attenuator) in my Blues Deluxe Reissue's FX loop for years so I can get a little overdrive from the amp, and it sounds fantastic.
Great way to do it!
He nailed it. Use the Little Black Box. Hence, giving the Fender a Mesa like control.
They take about ten minutes to make your own JHS black box..there’s a few videos on here on how to make one ..👍👍
Great show guys. Lots to chew on here. Thank you.
Thanks gentlemen. How fitting for me. I use a pair of Hot Rod Deluxe Mk IV amps for wet and a reissue 59 Bassman for dry in my TPS design wet/dry/wet rig. I want to keep the HRD4s clean but don’t want them to be overpoweringly loud or turned down so much that they are tinny. Much thought and experimentation to come. Thanks so much and my best to you both as always
Great show!!!! Tried a couple of these methods with my marshall origin 50 and my hiwatt heads .It's just so nice to know why it works and how. Cheers boys
Thank you so much guys for your videos, I've learnt so much about effects and how best to use them from hours in front of my screen. This subject is particularly interesting for me, as the amp I Prefer to use live is a Fender Blues Deluxe, not quite the same as the hotrod, but very similar, and with same issue on volume. I've tried a few things out in the past to try and tame it, without much success. I even tried putting a 12AT7 tube in place of the 12AX7 (1st position preamp valve) and to my ears had no effect on the volume, but changed the tone slightly. So now I will try a few of your ideas out.
Great show boys. And Dan sneaking in a bit of Mondo Rock there 🙌
Underdrive!! That's brilliant!! Love this show I've learned so much from you two!! Both gentleman are knowledgeable and likeable and your playing is awesome everyone should buy your merch for ALL the stuff you teach us!!
Cheers Jimmy, you’re most welcome 🙏
I love having a volume and/or EQ pedal in the effects loop (along with a compressor, but with really mild settings), and use the *volume/EQ* after the preamp for the master volume. I like to let the preamp live in its ‘character’ territory (3-5, depending on the amp) while maintaining ‘bedroom’ levels.
Thanks, as always, for the sage advise and brilliant playing. Cheers!
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the fx loop return tip was a life saver! thanks!
“Noel’s Knobs” is absolutely my most favorite new thing you have come up with in a while😂
A good EQ pedal is a must on my board, helps with so many things, compensating for different pick ups in guitars so my tone is consistent without having to adjust "Noel's knobs" , the way D & M show it here, using EQ to adjust the character of a backline amp, adjust your overall sound to compensate for a bad room. EQ is just a Swiss Arrmy knife of pedals, even can be used as a boost or drive depending on the brand EQ you have. I like Boss and MXR EQ pedals, sturdy, feature rich and affordable. Tried Compressors and Attenuation but could never get the sounds I wanted with those. D & M are great because they always show us there is more than one solution to our tone problems, no judgement on which is "better", just here are your options, go pick your favorite and apply it.
I managed to listen to this video with the sound of my speakers turned way down, only using my right ear (because of my sudden hearing loss that I mentioned in the comments in the previous video).
I want to congratulate Dan with the Underliner. This might be the solution for me to still play guitar. It sounds like the amp, while most attenuators do change the sound (like my Two-Notes Torpedo).
Thanks Dan.
Thanks so much, but so sorry to learn of your hearing loss. Hoping things get better for you soon 🤓🙏
I've never tried a comp in the loop. Your video has teached me that it's time to try some experiment with it 😉
I’ve owned my series 1 Hot Rod Deluxe since brand new. Bought it when they first hit Perth WA and virtually lived under a rock with it and thought “that’s what this amp is supposed to be”. Until I started to watch a few videos about these gems I didn’t realise that this is an inherent problem. Anyhoo, could never find another amp that I liked. The Carr Superbee would be the choice however $$$.
Great video gents!
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micks initial face at the db meter 😂
*also fantastic playing intro. cheers from nashville !
Great video so helpful thanks guys. I’m a novice to the insides of an amp and have changed to the AY7 the pre amp input 1. For the first time ever I’ve got past volume 2 at home. That’s a start. Haven’t gigged it yet but very confident there’s enough there. Agree that out of the box the pre installed tube just sounds too harsh and too loud too quickly.
Mick, you're dragging some nigh-Dave Edmunds-y rubber-band tones outta the thing with the 335 and the compressor. Very cool!
Great video with a lot of the usefull tips. To me the discovery of the show is the Cali76. Also the preamp on 10 with the fxloop attenuator sounds so great !!
I had a Bad Cat attenuator when I had my Fender Bandmaster. Absolutely loved having it, let me tame the power of the bandmaster to get some wicked overdrive! Always kept the volume up but definitely made it bearable.
I had a U.S.A. made one years ago, was a nice amp but not for me. I think the funny thing with this amp is it’s 40 watts, that’s pretty loud, it’s not a bedroom amp, that’s for small gigs for sure. There are other options for a similar sound if that’s what you’re going for, my buddy has a blues junior and while it’s el84s instead of 6L6s they’re still very similar in tone. I went to lower wattage amps, my biggest is my vox night train head and I love it! Sounds great with my tele and LP and pretty much anything I’ve run into it! My other is a Fender Vibro Champ XD and it’s great too! Now if only the small Marshall heads weren’t as much as they are I’d have that too! I’d rather just mic it when I need more.
This video was influential in my decision to buy a second hand Deluxe. Great amp, great video!
I gig a Landau HR Deville weekly. Use input 1, Tumnus and Xotic BB in front with a SP comp, Timeline and Flint in the loop. I use a sound barrier around the amp with volume around 2.5-3. Sounds phenomenal. I’ve tried speaker attenuators but this gives me the best sonic result.
Thanks guys, very helpful!!
Trank you for those usefull inspirations!!! Greetings from Germany!!😊🙋🏼♂️
Love the Monty Python reference! Went to Scotland in 2016 saw all the castles they used in the movie. England would not let MP film in any castle there.
I have modified a couple of Fender and Vox amps to lower the volume level.
Great show, thanks so much!
Great episode guys 👍
All very cool ideas, vastly easier is to pick up an Orange Crush 12 amplifier and you can get great tones at low volume and plays well with pedals. People may complain about lack of headroom. But it’s perfect for the home when you don’t want to piss off family (it can still piss off family) and it has exceptional bottom end despite its small 6” speaker. Keep the tube amplifiers for gigs and rehearsals. Too much work to get loud tube amplifiers to be quiet in a practice room. And some of these solutions still put mileage on the tubes, like the attenuator.
That MXY EQ is one of the most genius pieces of kit almost any guitar player could afford> Putting that gain control on their was a chef's kiss thing to do...and I barely have hd the opportunity to really play wit mine.
DIY fx loop attennuator is really easy to build. Cut a patch cable i two. Both ground cables on pole 3. Tip 1 on pole 1, tip 2 on pole 2 on a 100k pot. The amp start to hit the compression between 3 and 4 on the input volume. (There are drawings on this if you seach the net)
Another hack is to change the 6L6 tubes with 6V6 tubes. 6V6 has less output. (Not possible from 6v6 to 6L6)
This seems like a continuation of Micks unexpectedly fantastic Kingsley pre amp/Mesa Boogie power amp setup. I would love to see a comparison of that rig vs other effect loop enabled amps you have. Especially a Vox style, Tweed and Cali Tweed. Even the Fryette and a Jazz Chorus!
A good friend of mine, and a professional guitar player in Nashville, used this amp. It was always on the drive channel. The drive channel was on 11 and the rest of the amp was adjusted for a clean sound. Played through it many times and was never disappointed.
Great way to do it!
I built one of those volume boxes that Brian Wampler did a video on. Works like a charm
Thanks for this video, i have a Hot Rod deluxe IV and all these advices are very useful, best regards from Mexico 🇲🇽
I don’t watch TPS for normal budget content but it’s bloody brilliant when it comes along! (as a normal budget player!)
Great show guys, winning!!!
I have an old Deville 410. I may try the fx loop stuff. It's a great amp. Thanks dudes, as always!
Also, Deville dirt channel, pre down to almost nothing is a very usable sound and takes pedals very well.
This is a perfect example of what I always say. Nice, high end gear (yes I know that’s relative to everyone) is not necessary to get good sounds. What nice high end gear really does is save time and gets you to what you want to hear immediately.
Fantastic Video! This is excactly the problem i have with my HRDX .
I've used devilles for 20 years now and love them. Especially the very underrated drive channel (which I know some of you probably cringe at). My main amps now are a combination of a Magnatone Stereo Twilighter and JC-120 but man do I miss how simple the Deville was.
Not at all - we like the drive channel!
While it may be obvious to many, this answers the question I’ve had about how to attenuate my little 5F1 with no effects loop. Just use a pedal! Thank you!
Thank you! This is the only amp I have owned, this really helps me understand it as I never was able to use it at home, and thought the way it sounds was something to do with my guitar or the way I played. Until recently I did not own any pedals and have practiced most of the time without plugging in. I just got a tone master pro in an attempt to play more through headphones as I had given up using this amp at home.
I'm just remembering that I used to have a Hughes and Kettner Tube Factor which worked well via input 2, which is no longer made.
So much great information in this video. Thanks D+M
Thanks Leg Ends, Another great informative fun show. Learnt a lot and a great way to spend an hour in my warm bed while it lashed down outside. PEACE and LOVE to EVERYONE.
Nice take on what can be done to make this amp “bedroom friendly” and customizable. Love the hot rod… it’s a fender standard on its own. It’s a sweet gigger for sure. Last thing always: find your sound that works for you and the band; have a blast!
I’ve used a BOSS GE-7 in the loop for years as I had it already and didn’t care for attenuators as a whole. I never thought to include compressor too, but that makes sense.
Good episode guys, for a live stage with good monitors or for home some thing like a simple two notes Captor is great as you can crank things and control them via sound desk. also with out needing to mic sound guys will love you
Great video lads.. I’ve a mk2 model. Got it really cheap. I put a Creamback 75 speaker in and a tech sorted the volume pot to taper properly through the range. 5 is now where 2 was.
Nice!
Excellent choice
First real amp I ever bought, and my apartment building hated me. Thanks for doing this!
My dad is in his 80's and told me his amp stopped working, I brought it home figured I'd try some experiments, clean it etc. I plug in my Randall 4x12 Cab completely caught off guard, OMG the volume is tremendous. That Randall I own is a 120 Watt and made to Chug Metal and this little Fender with the Sovtek groove tubes blows it out of the water in sheer volume. My Dad doesn't have an amp problem he just pluged his speaker into the wrong jack, lol. Now I don't want to give back his Amp (I will but I don't want to), I could totally Gig with this amp and just bring my pedal board for the gain and tones I need.
I know you guys like to be ultra modest about GigRig stuff in the name of objectivity (which is admirable!), but I'm super excited to see the Underliner in context!
Thanks Stu 🤓🙏
Love the added "Noel's Knobs" feature!
Just want to say thank you for all the amazing videos over the years. You guys have made me more knowledgeable in both guitar amps and pedals. Which is great because I live in a small town in New Mexico USA and the nearest music store is 4 hours away lol. So thank you guys both for the hard work that you do I’ll be sure to purchase something from your site in the future to help you guys out as well as you’ve helped me out. Cheers.
Ah, cheers James, you’re most welcome 🙏
@@ThatPedalShow no problem at all keep up the great work.
I feel ya, I used to live in Alamogordo, and then I moved to the East Coast to Lake Placid. I solved that problem though, I bought a Voodoo amp switcher, using a Marshall 50 watt, a Vox style TopHat supreme 16 W and a Fender vibra champ 6 w , one at a time 2 @ time or all three .
@@BicycleJoeTomasello awesome we used to live nearby each other I live in Artesia lol. That’s cool I will have to try that out. Thanks for the reply.
I think this is a good start to a "real world" series, and I wasn't going to watch it but I did and recognised situations I've found myself in, adapting what I like to hear to what I have to work with, not that I'm gigging anymore but I have passed the gene on to my son who plays in three bands at the moment and here in Melbourne often a three band bill will see them sharing amps and drums, so typically only the last band has a quick sound check, and you have to think on your feet plugging in your pedalboard that's geared to your 50 watt vintaqe Australian made Eminar tube amp, into a Roland Cube... a true real world story.
Long time watcher and patreoner. Just wanted to give you guys a shout and say thanks for everything you guys do. I bought a KoT and a Two Rock because of you guys (should i send you an invoice? lol) but once again im pleasantly surprised on a video about a tone concept i almost exclusively never use. You guys are doing more for the guitar community than basically any other guitar player and for that myself and all 357k subscribers are all grateful for it. Cheers!
This was a really important show!
My HRD is such a trooper. played it everywhere from back yards to arenas and its never let me down. I actually prefer it over my twin anywhere, even places where I can turn my twin up.
Dan’s performance with Red tonight was superb!
Hi there chaps, Love your work.
I had a Hot Rod IV with a very efficient cannabis-rex speaker (101+dB). I think it trained me to be a better player, but I also think it crippled my playing in secondary ways. All spike and no sustain, all headroom and no compression. All mid range barking, and little else for tone.
Once I got a princeton clone with a 12", I could hear the amp respond in a way the HRDX did not.
I did not know what I was missing, why I sounded shite, until I realised the HRDX is not a home amp.
No, it doesn't fix the problem with a volume pot in the fx loop, not with a compressor, not with an underdrive.
(ed: I even tried lower gain tubes in V1, V2 to change the sound, for clean and drive, 5751, 12ay7, etc, and in the end the amp just still mostly does what it does.)
With all that considered, we may as well be using a PA speaker and an amp sim.
I even tried using a strymon iridium into the fx loop return (cab sim turned off). Yeah okay, but, that's not really what this amp is for.
The amp is a dud until you can turn it up. No little fix can help it.
Then, when it's loud, you change all your settings and hear how it becomes a different beast.
If you can't do over 103dB or so all the time, do not buy this amp. It is the wrong product. There are many others in the same price range. Stick a mic in front of a smaller amp, and you will have a nicer time.
Love from a schwanger who learned a lesson.
Seriously everyone needs to stop trying to love this amp which requires extra products to make it practical. (ed I spent money on pedals I didn't need, to try to save this amp, before I knew better)
The price of the amp, plus the extra products you want to help it, add up to the price of a better amp.
There are lots of other amps out there.
If you have a hot rod, because it looked nice on paper and was affordable, and you can't be disgustingly loud, just accept this is the wrong amp for you.
That'll save you time and money.
Buy something else, choose life! (a blues jr has similar problems at a smaller scale, so don't do that either, goddam farty spikey shit..)
Hey guys! been a fan of this channel forever... I practically learned all I know about pedals from you haha... I was wondering if you've ever done a video on amps that take pedals well and others not so much and why that happens, maybe how to work your way around that issue (I think it's kinda interesting... sometimes you can buy an amp before trying pedals and get a real bad surprise when you take it home)