Commander Versus Series: Round 2 - Ob Nixilis v. Daretti v. Freyalise v. Teferi [MTG Multiplayer]
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- It's time for a rematch! The guys are bringing 4 Commanders from the 2014 product they played earlier this year and adding a little power! With a budget of $200, who will come out on top this time?
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After Oath comes out, we DEMAND WUBRG tribal decks! Slivers vs Allies vs Dragons vs Elementals!
Read the cards, guys!
"As the last ability resolves, you can tap untapped Myr you control even if Myr Battlesphere is no longer on the battlefield by then. If that has happened, Myr Battlesphere won't be able to get the +X/+0 bonus, but it will still deal X damage to the defending player."
Chris Broadfoot myr battle sphere deals the damage so since it is no longer in play it can't deal the damage, though you still way tap the myr for no effect.
john carmichael wrong. Read the gatherer page.
I hope you get around to trying a VS match with the Flipwalkers. None of them seems like they'd make that powerful of commanders, but it'd be interesting to see each of you try and build a deck around them. :)
ODCS (Choi) Soon, we promise! :)
ODCS yea they should deffo do tiny leaders with them that would be sick :P
NONE of them? What about Liliana and Nissa? I'm sure Liliana can't compete with the likes of Sheoldred and Chainer, but she's still quite good. And as for Nissa, she can most likely compete with the best mono Green generals and hold her own.
Aaron Bassow The main problem is that planeswalkers are generally weaker in EDH than most other formats. Dropping a strong planeswalker or one with a threatening ultimate immediately makes you a target, which is terrible from a political standpoint. Also, very few of those walkers have affects that are game-changing the same way the popular mono-colored generals are.
Liliana's abilities are very slow and it's difficult to get any significant value out of her before she's removed, and while Nissa's ult would be fairly strong if you could Doubling Season into it, she's still one loyalty short even with that, meaning she'd have to survive a turn of attacks.
I'd actually vote Gideon as one of the best, as he can attack for commander damage even as a planeswalker, turn your creatures indestructible through every opponent's turn, and has no ult, making him a relatively low-priority target. Might be good in some kind of aggro/voltron build.
Aaron Bassow The thing is, you really shouldn't even be considering the ultimate of a planeswalker when you are figure out if they are good, since a lot of the time, they will never get there. Nissa is fine being a Borderland Ranger that will eventually make a 4/4 and draw you cards, Chandra and Jace are pretty bad, Liliana is easy to flip but her planeswalker self is a bit meh since her loyalty is too low to reanimate big things as soon as she drops while Gideon is cool for being a low drop, his planewalker side doesn't Voltron super well, having to drop his gear again every turn.
Wow. Awesome ending. Well played by Parnell
I like Wes the most. He makes me happy and he has such joyful approach to the game. Not the "If you attack me with your 2/2 I will make you my primary enemy for every SCG magic game until infinity!!!!!110" Gentleman rules are nice!
I'm having so much fun watching this. You guys get better and better with each video. I loved McDarby, but these 4 player videos make so much more sense.
Sidenote: Stephen is hilarious but god damn dude learn some threat assessment. He always gets all antsy to kill the weakest player. Meanwhile Suarez assembles a murder machine. Just chill and recognize threats. Don't just swing in at the weakest player because you can.
Jesus! Justin turns around and does the same thing to Wes...
I am a huge fan of the series and this is a great way to show how you can take some money and change these pre-cons to be a bit more powerful. Also a great way to show case Star City Games inventory. Keep up the great work.
Would love to see you guys do an "all-time" favorite commander match. Do it like you would if you were playing at an open. But glad to see Justin P got to keep his "championship".
Lol was sitting here thinking "Man, I wish there was a new commander vs."
*Check CZcams*
Woot
Same here aha
I Loved the first one round 2 this is AWESOME!!!!
these guys are hilarious best commander videos on CZcams are made by you guys
I like how there was a budget restriction on improving the decks, it makes it easier to relate to compared to the ones with all the old (and pricy) stuff. I kinda wish there'd be like a mini-series or something of Commander Versus on a Budget, or something like that
49:20 The Battlesphere trigger still resolves, meaning that Jon can tap X myr to deal X damage even though the Battlesphere is no longer in play.
With the Myr Battlesphere thing going on around 48:00, I'm pretty sure he could have still tapped the Myr to have the direct damage part of it still happen. Otherwise it would have had to have been bounced before attackers were declared and then the tokens could have attacked.
you guys already did an all creatue commander multiplayer, you should also do an all non-creature commander multilayer, only the commanders can be creatures. that opens the possibility of voltron decks for you guys since you guys dont use them an other sneaky things. it also open more possibilities and a different way f thinking during the actual game
Are they ever going to not kill Wes first? It seems like every one of these 4 vs games Wes is just immediately beat to death by everyone else. It makes me so sad.
at 48:30 the gatherer rulings state: As the last ability resolves, you can tap untapped Myr you control even if Myr Battlesphere is no longer on the battlefield by then. If that has happened, Myr Battlesphere won't be able to get the +X/+0 bonus, but it will still deal X damage to the defending player.
The Myr could have been tapped to deal X if he had so wished.
That was incredible :D
1/1/2011: As the last ability resolves, you can tap untapped Myr you control even if Myr Battlesphere is no longer on the battlefield by then. If that has happened, Myr Battlesphere won't be able to get the +X/+0 bonus, but it will still deal X damage to the defending player.
When John fetched Caged Sun I would have fetched Voltaic Construct and produced infinite colorless mana with the Karn in hand hand and the Thran Dynamo on board
I wasn't thinking of this happening I love you guys when you out smart me
I always enjoy a win with an Ob Nixilis and a bomb.
Yes! Black is victorious again! The universe is saved. Thank you, Justin, thank you Ob Nixilis :)
Have to get Flesh Carver altered to Barry the Chopper from FMA!
4 person commander with your own personal decks
For the next video...
Can we see a 4 player match with hyper competitive lists. Each deck built to the absolute best that it can be? Since SCG will likely provide any cards that are needed for the duration of the episode, it would be good to show the community that a hyper competitive version of EDH can be just as fun and dynamic as the 50-75% level decks. Each deck wouldn't even need to run blue either, and the builds can each represent a pillar of the format. The decks could built off of the duel commander banned list, the traditional banned list, or a combination of the ban lists.
For example:
Arcum Dagsson - Combo / Lockdown Stax (The only truly-viable mono-colour deck)
Brago King Eternal - Mana Denial Stax
Derevi Empyrial Tactician - Lockdown Stax
Edric - Tiny Aggro+Hard Control with alternative combo finish
Ghave Guru of Spores - Graveyard/+1 counter Combo
GAAIV - Lockdown Stax+Control
Karador Ghost Chieftain - Super Value (See Boonweaver Giant Combo Primer)
Maelstrom Wanderer - Aggro+Armageddons
Nin the Pain Artist - Dedicated Control
Selvala Explorer Returned - Hate Bears/Creature Combo
Sliver Queen - 5 colour dedicated combo.
Tasigur the Golden Fang - Infinite Mana+Tas with BUG Good stuff support/control
Zur the Enchanter - Helm+RIP with Voltron/ Backup
It would be really nice to see a well-made, multiplayer video, featuring the very highest power levels that decks can be pushed to.
The examples I gave are some of the highest power commanders in competitive lists. All are considered potentially tier 1 or 1.5 and outclass commanders that most people think are the best (Azami, Narset, Jhoira etc), but fall short due to requirements of deck construction (Narset, Kaalia, Jhoira, etc.) or the lack of ability to deal with different permanent types (Azami, Azusa, Omnath & other mono colored decks).
Bonus points if we get to see super pimped out decks, but it would just be an awesome experience to see a few games at the height of power in EDH.
I am LEGIT upset with Wes. Sorry man I was hardcore rooting for you, but Dang!
gninamah5 Same! Teferi is my main commander and is super powerful but we only got to see him do two things. whomp whomp.
gninamah5 Blue is just too hard for him to play ):
He doesn't really know how to play a blue deck lmao...
Like others, I think you guys should do the new origin planes walkers as your commanders. Also, I think you guys should do the 2013 commander decks again and have a $200 budget to make them better.
how about 4 Gods as commanders? That would be pretty bad ass. I'm just now getting into commander and these videos are what is feeding my addiction!
we need a return of this kind of match up
Man I can't wait to see the Next commander versus series! Im super excited! I Literally check everyday Lol! Also Id love to see a 4 player versus series with wes wise playing Vendilion Clique, Jon Suarez Playing Merieke Ri Berit , Stephen Green playing animar , and justin parnell playing Nin the pain artist I Put a LOT of thought into how awesome this game might turn out! I really really Hope you consider It in the near future as a video !!!!!!
A villain's battle would be pretty cool (phyrexian vs demons vs eldrazi vs nicol bolas or something like that)
Im pretty sure Wes is new to magic, at least I hope he is...never seen a non-overloaded cyclonic rift in EDH. Vesuvan shapeshifter as a chump blocker?! Also have yet to see a cryptic command sit in someones hand and waste away for so long.
Well to be fair didn’t need overload because he had something else to get rid of board
progenitus vs child of alara vs reaper king vs horde of notions. If you guys do see this and decide to do it just a suggestion is to run fist of the suns in each.
This was a great idea
lol this was recorded before mm15 came out that was awhile ago
You guys should do a match between the mythic legends from alara. Sedris the traitor king, mayael, etc. that fight could be pretty awesome. We've seen the wedges now let's see the shards!
I am starting to see a pattern here, Wes and Stephen starts out as best buds as Jonathan gets an explosive start with a terrifying board early on, teaming up against Jonathan to take him out first, meanwhile Justin has a bad start and are largely ignored, Jonathan stabilizes due to some lucky draws and good creatures and effects and as a result Wes stabs Stephen in the back when he realizes that Stephen are likely to be an even bigger threat than Jonathan if this keeps up.
This results in all out war between the two until Wes dies because Stephens stompy critters are more stompy than Wes' since Wes favors blue, who HAS stompies, but not very good ones, sometimes Stephen get a bit of help from Justin and Jonathan, just enough to keep Stephen from focusing too much on them, at that point, Justin, who has silently been biding his time, pull the trigger on some insane combo play and just end Jonathan and Stephen in just one single turn or takes such a commanding board lead the other two has no chance to win even IF they work together.
This has happened with frightening regularity to be honest, to the point where I go into these videos expecting this pattern to emerge sooner or later.
the new flip planeswalkers would be fun
Really interesting game to watch, lots of interesting plays - Kept my interest through-out. Was rooting for Daretti! ....Biased probably but meh :P I can't however can't help but wonder if daretti opted to include a vandalblast over a shatter spree in the deck construction which potentially limited him from what could have been a forge-mastered Lattice overload vandalblast combo. All hypothetical though, great game! :D
I want David mcdarby back
He moved and no longer works for SCG :,(
tyler murphy I do not he was to cocky and not very funny
tyler murphy Justin Parnell is our new Mcdarby.
Paul Zemaitis That's great i'm here for entertainment and he wasn't very entertaining the new group is much funnier and casual not so competitive
+Paul Zemaitis I agree immensely. Watching these guys is more trouble than its worth. McDarby and West had the synergy and casual banter that everyone wants from a long drawn out game like commander. With these new guys, everything they say seems scripted to me, and they lack basic entertainment skills. It saddens me to no end to witness the death of a great series like commander vs :(. He's dead, Jim. Just let the series end, guys.
And to the people asking for Danny and David, of course they were great, but they stopped doing these, so understand that for the time they are not coming back
I for one really enjoy the whole gang and think everyone here has great chemistry and are really entertaining on their own right
Would love to see the new magic duels origins creature/planeswalkers as commanders for the next video. Pweeeeeeeeeeez :D
I wonder if they will do a cube draft of these four guys I think that would be fun
Yo. It's seriously been a while since you guys have done a commander versus series video. Get back to doing it. I looked forward to it every two weeks but we haven't gotten didly squat since this one
+cj rauenbuehler (Choi) Have you seen our latest video that came out on Weds? czcams.com/video/_oze3hbkW8g/video.html You can also check the homepage/playlist for updates!
Hey guys!! So don't you think it'd be fun to run 4 of the new legendary creature flip planeswalkers as new commanders like someone could run a battalion type build with kytheon/Gideon could be cool!!
They should do a video with the origins walkers and make decks centralized to each walker.
Are you guys going to do a commander video with the planewalker legends? I'm dying to see it 😩
Ob Nixilis is my favorite deck but I run his plainswalker version in the deck and run with the his landfall version as my commander.
I really hope Magic Origins Commanders is next.
Here is a list I've been working on for a while. (I chose not to add sole ring because of tournaments at my local store). The deck is mono green, but my goal was to make it funny and competitive. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/31-07-15-mono-green-commander/ I'm always taking suggestions!
Wait, when john attacked with the myr battlesphere and redirected to the walkers that was illegal right? I understand if you have something that does damage to target player you can redirect but since it says "defending player" doesn't it just hit their face no matter what?
+ernest newberry No, that's legal. It's an effect that does damage to the player.
The only negative interaction Battlesphere has with walkers is that it can't attack them and use the X damage half of the ability; it can self-pump but that's it.
3 things wrong here 1: emblems can not be messed with so not getting them is a waste of an ultimate ability 2: ob nix doesnt play like liliana he plays like a demon syphoning off souls untill he can preform the ultimate rituals 3: daretti's emblem makes ALL ARTIFACTS return if they entered the graveyard FROM THE BATTLEFIELD at the next END STEP
Can you guys make a Sygg, River Guide Commander deck? Love the vids
1:19:45 Stephen makes an elf token, and someone says they want to respond. Then suddenly they are in combat and Justin plays Wake the Dead. They never let Stephen's equip trigger resolve. He should have been able to draw two cards from the Skullclamp. Doesn't effect the outcome though.
Davesghola Not quite. What actually happened was, he was in his turn, and he was going to equip the elf token with the skullclamp. Suarez counteracts this by turning Skullclamp into a creature. Stack resolves. Skullclamp gets turned into a creature, Equip tries to equip it to the Elf, and nothing happens because it's an illegal target. Green obviously wasn't going to actually say "enter combat" with his lone 1/1 Elf, so Parnell, realizing this says "Hey wait a minute, during that Combat Step you're not going to use..." and casts Wake the Dead.
CmdrSloth Oh, I missed the part where he turned it to a creature. Thanks.
If Wes cyclonic rifth(no overload) the battlesphere on combat phase..suarez still gets to atack with the myr tokens , and if wes cyclonic rifht the battlesphere when suarez declares atackers , battlesphere triggers ....why didnt suarez get to atack with tokens or put the attack trigger on the stack when wes cycllonic right tha battlespehere (no oveload) ..??
Ivan Escobar Rojas here is what happens. Suarez declares the attack with myr battlesphere. Once all attackers have been declared triggers go on the stack. Battlesphere triggers after attackers have been declared, and wes responds to that trigger with cyclonic rift. As the attackers have already been declared suarez cannot declare anymore attackers.
Ivan Escobar Rojas Without battlesphere in play half the trigger fizzles, countering the trigger I think.
***** yeah you're right they got that bit wrong. but Ivan Escobar Rojas was asking why he couldnt attack with his other creatures after the sphere was rifted
@@tercoil because he tap them for battle spear not as attackers
I thought itd be a really cool idea for season two is if each of you devotes to a respective god of theros more specifically wes devotes to thassa Stephen devotes to nylea justin devotes to erebos and Johnathan devotes to purphorous maybe it's bland because mono decks have been done before but I thought itd be cool for season two
Must.do.praetors! Mirridon themed
U guys should do commanders from the 2012 product with newer cards that would be awesome
"Modern masters 15 is gonna come out next week" Well, that dates well the recording date pretty well
I really like the themed decks you guys have been doing for a while now but i kinda miss when you'd just play a deck, no theme, no deck building rules, just running a commander you guys like.
at 50:40 could Jonathon just tutored for mycosynth latice then shattered all the opponents permanents?
No deck lists? i would have loved a list.
John needed ensnaring bridge
Could we maybe see a yisan deck in 1v1 or 4 player plz?
Just sayin, Wes Wise for the fail. All the mana in a blue deck and no counters or anything. Teferi saw no action. That hurt to watch
16:03 proceeds to cover up pontiff of blight, and reveal hand like he has nothing... mmmhmmm i see what u did there
Hey guys, my LGS has a EDH league. We have a "points system", that you earn points by doing stuff in. If I could manage to send you the list of the achievements that earn points, think you could implement it into a video?
daretti's +2 said discard up to two so can that be 2,1,or 0 cards? if not a friend of mine cheated.
I really want yall to play a Trostani deck she is my favorite commander.
is it Jonathan doing the heavy breathing or the camera guy? the heavy breathing is causing the vibration to be tense and obnoxious.. but overall I enjoy this series particularly because all my friends play the same decks the same style and from this I learn alot of how I can take advantage. Wes could of had that game since round 1.
WHERE is david mcdarby?? D:
halifacs He moved so he hasn't been doing these for a while.
He no longer works for SCG.
halifacs He works for wizards now!
I miss mcdarby DX
Did stephen have that much top deck manipulation in his pile of cards? did he need that terramorphic expanse?
Can you do vorel of the hull clade vs teysa orzhov scion? Please?
Always wondered whats the song for the intro?
Is there no Commander VS this week?
what were the other 3 cards wise played
DECK LISTS PLEASE
It's time for a rematch! The guys are bringing 4 Commanders from the 2014 product they played earlier this year and adding a little power! With a budget of $200, who will come out on top this time?
***** Love it!
***** I wanna see you over there try a commander game with Elder High Dragons~
Have you guys considered a lord of the rings themed battle? Goblins, elves, humans, wizards and all that. Sounds pretty sweet to me.
I'm really annoyed that Wes always left all that mana up and yet did nothing with it. Either you cast things on your turn, or you cast instants. But you don't just leave mana up for nothing.
Justice Adair Wouldn't it be Orcs, elves, humans and wizards?
No deck list?
I'm a huge advocate of these videos, great to see more 4 player versus!
But Stephen's Thunderfoot Baloth at czcams.com/video/mE3NrAdgfic/video.html is only a 7/6. The +2/+2 is a Lieutenant ability and only applicable when Freyalise, his general, is on the board when she wasn't. His whole board doesn't get +2/+2 either.
Small gripe from a green beastie player, great videos though!
James Willett You didn't keep watching after that, Wes actually pointed out that the ability doesn't apply
Ooohhh you're right! I did watch the whole thing but I must have missed it, my thanks! I love these videos even if some mistakes are made anyways.
Isn't Metalworker banned in EDH?
at 1:19:41 when Stephen tries to Skullclamp the 1/1 john making it a creature doesn't negate the equip. Karn reads "still retains it's abilities" which means Stephen can still equip, the creature still gets +1/-1, and if it dies he gets 2 cards.
I feel like Stephen forgot that Freyalise has a -2...like the time wes played the steel hellkite, stephen could/should have just killed it, especially since the hellkite can easily destroy the token he got with the +2 (and also kill freyalise)
They should totally gang up on Justin the next game xD
And now gaeas cradle is $600-$1800 depending on which printing you get
Decklist?
Deck list please
Hi, I was wondering if there was any chance of 4 player mono color madness?
I mean like one color 4 races, and one player can only play the cards limited by their races. I think it would be cool. :)
Mono green slivers, not a fan.
Or any other tribe, i mean theme set around the deck itself. Regardless the efficiency, or level of strength.
But that's like booring, i mean like tribes never seen play before. Like shamans, elementals and such.
I know this is really late but in the budget did they include buying the deck precon? lol
+gein831 Based on what Parnell said in the beginning it doesn't seem like it. "We took the Commander 2014 decks, we added $200..."So figure a total budget of $235 or so.
I'm around min 48 and I've come to the conclusion that Wes Wise doesn't know how to play magic. I don't know what will happen next. Maybe he'll win (probably not), maybe he's a secret genius who had a master plan all along (doubt it), but based on what I see so far he should stay away from blue FOREVER. He let his artifact that gave him limitless mana die, he cast cyclonic rift without overload, and he chumpblocked with an extremely powerful shapeshifter.
Can we get Tasigur in here
lol they need to stop going after wes first everytime
rick grimes First rule of edh, kill the blue player first.
ZeroNovember Second rule of EDH: beg the blue player to counter a game ending spell after bashing on him all day. I actually let a match end on purpose in a tourney because the rest of the table would constantly assess threats very badly.
That cheese being impaled by all four spikes does not make sense
It took two months to edit this video?
droidtaken (Jeremy) We usually film the videos in groups due to the schedules of the players.
It's why they're always wearing the same clothes
Never watched two videos close enough to notice the clothes but recording multiple videos is a good plan.
Hilarious!
i would enjoy this if cvm and bbd were in it....
Wes stop being a nice player you always get wrecked... have no mercy cause they obviously don't!
Wait this is a commander game I thought you couldn’t have more than one of the same card in a deck how could Justin Parnell have more than one grave pact
Lol these guys played enough to know not to let Justin win.
So in 2015 Gaea’s Cradle was as low as $160... uh... lol he exceeded his $200 easy!!