An AIRPLANE CHECKOUT almost goes BAD when I make a common flying mistake - Avoid this in your flying
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- On a recent airplane checkout in a Cessna 172N I made a very common mistake. I ended up way too high on a simulated engine failure. Too high can be just as bad as too low and this was a very humbling experience. Learn to avoid the mistakes I made! Fly Your Best.
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Welcome to flying in the foothills! Not a lot of great options for forced landings.
Years ago an instructor and his student walked home after the aircraft 'refused to climb' out of that same general location following a forced landing exercise. (C-152- warm day).
It's always amazing how flat things look from above, and how much the terrain 'changes' when you get down low.
Note- I did nearly the exact same thing on a C-172 rental checkout years ago...but my 1st attempt came up short!
"You wouldn't have made it" is a chilling statement....
Juan - KGOO
Well it’s good I’m not the only one! 😳
appreciate you actually showing mistakes. I've done the exact same while training and it was definitely an eye opener.
I certainly learn more from mistakes than success videos.
Don´t you worry, I´ve got a few thousand landings sans engine, and still have to practice engine out landings in airplanes regularly in order to consistently nail them. Especially switching from Arrows to Cirruses to Cessnas to Katanas. The point is: you don´t have to nail them in real life. Just being in control all the way to touchdown in a reasonably flat place will usually let you live, even if the plane dies.
Watching this was a humbling lessons for myself and made me really think about how often I practice engine out procedures in my own plane. I doubt I’m as proficient as I think I am ... time to grab my CFI for a check out! You always hear pilots talking about the need to keep up those skills but this was a great reminder and I’m glad you shared this video!
Just do 180's every landing, what's to lose?
why do you need a CFI to practice proficiency? I practice simulated forced landings all the time without CFI simply becuase I actually enjoy it.
Hey man, good news. This is my first episode watching as a certified pilot! My check ride was in a 172N as well 😎
Congratulations MattHeaven!
@@benwaldeck741 thank you!!!
A good pilot is always learning and a great pilot always admits their mistakes. Great video. Fly safe and fly often!
Great to see a pro do the things we all do. Really appreciate you posting this, thank you.
Appreciate you sharing the bad moments as well as the good. Good to know that everyone has them.
Always love your discipline to checklists & situational awareness. Nice work.
I love your honesty and humbleness. Be sharing your mistakes, you help raise awareness for other pilots to keep those skills up, especially when transitioning to another aircraft. Excellent video!
I know how you feel. I went up with an instructor recently to practice a couple of things and he pulled an engine failure while on crosswind and downwind. First time I’d done any in over a year. I totally got them wrong, but after a couple more, I was proficient again.
Thanks for making this. A reminder to always keep learning.
Even with those faults, I appreciate the review. You brought up items I'd of missed. Thx.
Don't forget about slips. When you can't go around keep flying and never give up! Embry-Riddle's study found that our skill deteriorate much faster than we think. We think about avoiding everything however if you are playing for keeps don't be afraid of taking the wings off. The goal is to survive to fly another day. When you're committed make it the best you can with what is in front of you.
I did my insurance check out for my Mooney, having only flown Cessna's, out of Placerville. After awhile flying into all those airports that are on top of hills, especially Auburn where it felt like you were at tree level on final, I said to the instructor isn't there a "normal" runway anywhere around here! He took me to Lincoln to have me "settle down" a little. Everything about the Mooney was so different compounded by trying to land it on "carrier decks" airports really freaked me out in those first few hours!
You're just awesome Jason!! For someone of your experience level, skill and expertise in flying, you're so humble. I guess that is one of the MOST IMPORTANT attributes a great pilot needs to have! I've watched enough "air crash investigation" videos to know that a bad, arrogant attitude of infallibility, is what sealed the fate of everyone on board!
This is a hugely helpful video. You had me bust taking notes for my CPL flight test that will likely take place next week. The part about putting the seats back during the E of the forced approach is new to me. Smart to include that. So many small details like that which can add up to making a big difference in outcomes. Thanks for all you hard work!
It's truly humbling and inspiring to let pilots of all ranks, especially student and private pilots remember that there is no "perfect pilot or pilotage" in aviation. Anyone can find something with any model that one is not proficient at. For that, thank you for sharing not just your strengths and weaknesses, but for also encouraging redundancy and practice while doing so. I'm a big fan of your humility first and your skills second. Like life, aviation will humble everyone sooner or later.
I love the honesty man. Thank you for sharing this
It helps instructors understand how students feel when you fly airplanes that you don't teach in every day. Excellent video and shows no matter what our experience is, we can misjudge our emergency landings. Even more, it shows you learn better when you don't try to make an excuse for the mistake.... you figure out what to do differently next time. Thanks for sharing!
What a great surprise for me towards the end when you flew over Scott’s Flat Reservoir. I grew up on that lake and I have so many great memories there.
You're awesome for posting a video of you making a mistake. It's a great learning opportunity for everyone. Thanks!
Took a year off from flying to pay for a ton of dentistry. Received my review expiration notice for the end of the month this morning. This video was just what I needed to start things off again. Guess I need to get cracking. Great video again. Thanks!
That's the nice thing about check outs like this...they keep you honest. Loved this video Jason...thanks!
My hat off for you Jason, very educational and humble. Love your videos.
Glad you like them! Thank you.
It's good to see I'm not the only one. I learned my 180's in an N model, and now I have to adjust to the R model. The R model just floats FOREVER!
I learned my pre takeoff briefing from you after watching your videos. It definitely impressed the DPE during the checkride. Thanks.
I got my PPL many years ago. Considering trying for it again. Loving watching your vids and this is the most powerful and important by far. No one is perfect (people watching these should not feel bad or intimidated if they're getting things wrong), always strive for better (proficiency fades and it's not just beginners, but hugely experienced pro's that are assessed, measured and who need to keep striving) and mistakes happen. You practice so that hopefully mistakes happen in controlled circumstances like this (you have power still) and they don't happen if a real emergency comes up.
Showing how you are "human" is probably the most important lesson for anyone new or experienced.
Well ... it resonates with me, a bit of a perfectionist who's very hard when I make mistakes and I avoid showing others flaws, which means I probably don't learn as much as I could sometimes.
I’m a new student pilot had my first flight just last week 😎, trying to better prepare myself… I love your content videos - super helpful! Makes me feel more normal/confident seeing flights and a talk through like this! Thank you!
samee :)
Mad respect for you showing we are always learning
Good stuff - I've been practising lots of forced landings on ms flight sim in VR just to work on approaches and have found it helpful - hopefully the practise will transfer to real life!
It’s amazingly humbling learning or re-learning an aircraft!
I appreciate your videos! Thank you for sharing the fact that we are all humans and we all make mistakes from time to time!
Been there... done that!
Love your videos.
I fly power and being an ex-glider pilot instructor with dozens of off-field landings I'm expected to get it right on every check ride but it doesn't always happen, every off-field landing is different.
The basic problem is around the initial field selection, a snap decision isn't always the best option, look at the field on the port side at 7 min 45 seconds, it's slightly up hill, a clear approach, quite long, 90 degrees to the low sun, next to a road and close to habitation if all goes wrong. I make it a habit of picking fields every few minutes (old gliding habits die hard!) when on a cross-country flight.
My initial training was in South Africa and now fly in the U.K., both countries teach that while doing a PFL the engine is warmed up for a short while to avoid carb ice etc. I didn't notice that on your video or was it edited out?
Another AWESOME video. THANK YOU for sharing your expertise, love for Aviation and keeping all of us BETTER pilots. 👍😊👍
I'm with you. North up works for me.
We have the opposite problem in Central Texas. There are so many wide open fields they all look good. Of course until you get low and see the giant ruts LOL
And cows
Great video. Every flight is a learning experience. With my 29,000 hours I can speak from experience. I really enjoy your channel. I’m always learning.
I guess this just shows that you can learn more from mistakes than from success. :-)
Great video!
Love the folks at Mach 5. Great group. Got my ticket there and even a few hours in 08F and also a checkout with Andrew. And as for all the trees and hills around; I opted for the streets first, if possible, for the examples you highlighted here.
What an awesome video. I love all of your videos and appreciate everything you and your team do for the aviation community! Aloha
Thanks Nobi 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙌🏻
Thanks for keeping it real, Jason.
And "The Good Human Award" goes to......... Jason! Love your honesty man - super refreshing, a ton of useful info as always.
All your drills are still pretty sharp tho Jason. Well done and thanks for sharing. Happy new year and be safe.
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This reminds me of two similar training flights I had with opposite results. My 2018 BFR included some tailwheel recurrency in a Citabria. When we simulated engine failure and I looked for a landing spot, I realized the instructor had placed us right over a grass strip. I was able to take the simulation all the way to a perfect touchdown; it was such a thrilling and validating experience. A month later I got my first training in the CH2A Chipmunk with Dave Carrick, following the usual checkout procedure. When it came to the simulated engine failure, I couldn't do anything right. Dave gave me two chances and had to save me from both of them. The debrief was humbling, to say the least, but I definitely learned from the experience.
Mate it’s great that you showed this one. Every machine is different and operates in its own way. You can put 3 planes, cars, boats, bikes all exactly the same models and they will all have their own subtle quirks.
Fly safe brother.
When in the test mode it seems like we just can't come up with that "natural at ease confidence"!!! The myriad of variables that the aviator must anticipate on every flight is Endless. Hopefully our training and our experience will rise to the occasion. When the altitude is spent and the clock has run out, it's time to Land!! No "do-overs"!! 🛬!!! Keeps me humble! Good job keep the videos coming.
I am a newish private pilot (110hrs all in C-172) IFR student. I wanted to check out in a C162 to build my PIC Xc 40 hours requirement cheaper. I did 3 different flights wit a CFI and still was not able to land it safely. It was a humbly moment to recognize that being a pilot already I was not able to land that smaller plane safely. I thought the transition was going to be faster, but reality show me different. This also shows the fact that I am current, but not proficient. I am giving a break to that C-162, and focus on my IFR training. I noticed that I am bringing that lost of confidence into the C-172 when landing. I will be doing some laps in the patter like back when I was a student pilot to get that confidence back.
Your video is a perfect example that we are all a work in progress. Thanks for your transparency in your videos. At some point I would like fly with you to gain confidence and perhaps unlearn bad flying habits. Where is your home airport?
Great to see the mistakes as well as all the success!
Wow!
Coming from you. Makes me even more humble.
Makes me want to practice more and be even more serious.
Your point of this video was driven home to me recently when the first time my instructor demonstrated an emergency landing at an airfield he put flaps down a bit to early and would have ended up touching down about 10 yards before the end of the runway.
Awesome!. A good pilot is always learning. Thank you!. bro.
It's nice that you show us that mistake of yours... Although was not that bad, in my opinion... That hill is hard to see from above, and surrounded by trees I don't know (images don't show) if there was a better spot to go... sometimes a bad spot to land is better than no place at all and going down in the trees. Still a great lesson to learn. After PPL and CPL we rarely practice emergencies in general aviation. We should do that more often.
I have a bunch of time in 80F. Mach 5 is awesome. And Andrew is a cool dude!
After watching many of your videos I'd say tou were a little nervous because you are a stellar pilot.
North up is how I roll as well. 👍🏼
Every day is a school day! .... loving your vids matey👍🏻
Thanks for sharing this:) I wish more CFI‘s would be Frank and humble like you! I’m still trying to nail my forced approaches and upset recovery under the hood. That’s what is stopping my CFI signing me off for the flight test.
I can use some of your tips for glider flying and then later when ill do my PPL. Thank you for sharing those vid!
Thank you for sharing this, humbling and I definitely learned something
No slip at the end? Love the channel and the stellar videos.
Hey, iam a low time warrior pilot,,always learning..
To see that a professional can may be 2nd guess his choice..oddly takes pressure off of me..
Nice job on all your videos!!
Very good lesson here Jason
I learnt a lot. As always. Thank you!
Second time, I was thinking, it's time to start the slip ;) but you did super, as always!
All and all you are a great source to us as aviators!!! Would love to fly with you someday!!
Man I learn something everytime I watch you vids Thanks for putting out there I haven't done my ppl...yet but the wealth of knowledge available from so many different sources really allows those who take the time to take in as much as possible to be that much more prepared when the day comes that, at least speaking for myself will bring down any sort of stress that much more and allow you to take in all you can if I wasn't a broke ass truck driver I'd gladly support your patreon but we each work with the hand we're delt, so thanks very much for the information you do share with us! Its absolutely incredible, your making the world of aviation that much better a place for everyone, Nothing but the Best to you Jason and your family and to the rest of you out these may 2021 bring you all nothing but safe flights and endless fun...and maybe a few bucks wouldn't hurt either! Lol
With Respect,
Jon Spencer
Alberta, Canada
Loved this 'real life' check ride video-there's a different feel to something not simulated.
That was awesome. As an aside, one thing I was taught was to tell my passenger to remove their sunglasses and anything sharp from their pockets. Oh and North up.
Wow.. my respect for you just skyrocketed ! 🙏🏻
I’ve not heard the suggestion to passengers to slide the seat back before. That’s a good thought, it might also stop them from reflexively grabbing the yoke.
You tell it like it is, excellent vid.
Well done, great communication
Great video Jason! I have awhile before my first BFR unless I get a chance to do it early-- Maybe at the 2021 ACCA. You have some great ideas. I think I will adopt some if you don't mind.
True pro Jason! I typically just blame any mistakes on ForeFlight. 😂🤣 keep up the great work
Did my first solo in 80F. The people at Mach 5 are really nice.
Give me 3 (three) good reasons why we should use the “North up” display. Give me those reasons, and I MIGHT stop talking trash about it 😂!!! Other than that, thank you for bringing us along to learn with you!!
Track up on the GPS, North Up on Foreflight. That's the correct way ;)
Thank you so much for your honesty - to see that even experienced aviators like yourself struggle (and also Juan), it makes be feel slightly better and validates how difficult they can be hence the need to practise. I found that PFLs were the most difficult part of flight training and continue to be during club check outs. I still practise them on a flight sim most days. The best advice I got regarding the emergency drills after setting glide sped and selecting a field was to use an acronym for the aircraft I fly (PA28) in this case CHIMPSWEM77FISH. Sounds crazy but not that difficult to remember - Carb Heat, Ignition, Mixture, Primer, Switch tanks (and try to restart), Warm Engine (for a drill), Mayday, 7700 squawk.
The last piece of the puzzle is that it’s not always the case of starting from downwind so really ficus on the 1000 feet spot that will lead you into the field. Practising on the Sim, I pull power at random heights and locations and make it about 80-90% of the time. It’s not the real world I know but having an auto response which you practise regularly gives me a bit more confidence.
Thanks again
I forgot the FISH -> Fuel off, Ignition and battery master off, Straps secure, Hatch cracked open
It’s funny that you guys mentioned the north up/track up debate. Odd as it may seem, I’ve always been a track up person on a GNS unit, but on a G3X or G1000, I am north up only.Probably mostly because I prefer to fly with the sectional chart as the base map on those units. Obviously they’re easier to read in a north of configuration, but it does not seem abnormal to me at all.
When your performing a simulated engine failure, advance the throttle occasionally during descent just to make sure it isn't real.
North up??? Ok, you do you. You are a phenomenal instructor!!! But after 23,000 hours of my own ... "track up". North up occasionally for a quick peak to aid in SA. Please keep up the great work! You are serving the GA community in immeasurable ways. Much appreciated & thank you.
Worth watching more than once.
Great video! However, I could be wrong, but you didn't mention the Wind direction, except in runup bay? Landing "into the wind" would help a lot. My bad experiences with simulated engine failures were noticing power lines at the very last moment. Regardless, we can only practice and hope for the best. Thanks for sharing!
In the event of an actual situation I anticipate this scenario. If all is not going very well my focus while I still have something to work with is the wings are speed brakes and fuselage alignment between solid objects is paramount.
Good info. I probably take my 40 degree flaps for granted! When I fly alone I try to add at least 1 proficiency practice every other flight. I may do soft or short field landings and take offs or engine out landing. I should probably do it more!
Loved this video. Emergency procedure was great... minus the landing spot
Haha thx. Yeah - that one SMALL detail 🤦♂️
Best video of yours I've seen :)
Totally agree on the glide. But after gliding different aircraft in real and in a simulation, there are always clues and skills that do translate. I talked a friend down for a real forced approach in Microsoft Flight Sim and he didn't think we'd make it. It was a plane I had 20 hours in 15 years ago.
Great video, being an instructor doesn't guarantee you'll get it right every single time. Some locations don't have good options just a least worst. Had the engine actually stopped you'd have been lower and slower so it would have looked better. It does everyone good to see bad examples, if their all great we don't learn as much.
Sir I am a cadet Pilot from Pakistan and really love your videos and learn a lot from them. Stay blessed Sir ❤️
That one comment hit me, as I experienced myself, “ don’t assume your skills carry over from one aircraft to the other “ I did my training mostly in pipers, got better and better, then did lots of taildragger, then now, in a Diamond, day and night,,, still not satisfied..., great video.
This is so cool. So great to learn from you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm also a track-up kind of guy. That's how I learned to do it with paper charts. That, and checklists, disconcerted a few passengers. I guess they thought they were doomed when I had to keep reading the instructions and was holding the map upside down.
That plane is super hard to land for engine out/short field! I did my check ride in 80F after training in a different 172 and it took a few hours to figure out the glide characteristics. Fun plane to fly though.
I regularly fly a 172M that floats for days..
super professional. i always forget the primer haha.
I spent most of my early time flying High DA in Robinsons and C172/C182/C150 at the edge of their performance at times. Moved back to the Midwest and struggled for a Long time with the extra glide performance and horsepower out there. Took me way too long to adapt to how slowly the aircraft sink, how well they glide, and all the "excess" horsepower I suddenly had.
That said, one technique I never see from airplane pilots, that is taught regularly to helicopter pilots, is S-turns. Another trick to lose excess altitude to hit your spot. (flaps, fly slower, slips, S-turns, prop pitch, power, brakes/spoilers... all as appropriate)
I've recently started flying the 172M and there's a very big difference going from plane to plane even within that particular model. It seems like some planes just seem to glide better than others regardless of the model. Of the two 172M's I've flown, there's about a 100fpm climb difference and about a 150fpm glide difference. I can account some of that to the BEW but that's still something that requires time in the plane to get a handle on.
Forward slips would have been useful in steepening the glidepath in those power-off approaches. They seem to have gone out of favor, buy I use them frequently. Some people think the 172 doesn't slip well, but it does, at any flap setting.
My engine out landing on my CFI checkride may have happened just a little past that point :) but power did come off just at the 45 to downwind turn.
Jason... you are awesome and I love your channe. One thing though, change you stowage of your pens. A rapid vertical load is going to put those into your neck. Just a thought... I investigated accidents, worked as a paramedic /er nurse, was a USCG helo pilot and I understand trauma... the pens on your harness are a risk. Fly your best and as I like to say, safety does not happen by accident, it is an overt and deliberate action.
I experienced the same issue renewing my flight instructor rating this week in the DA20. I did my PPL/CPL in a DA20, but I teach in a 172M, and during the simulated forced landing I forgot just how much a DA20 likes to glide