Were the Star Wars Sequels That Bad? - The Force Awakens
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2021
- That0therGeorge reviews 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' to answer the question: Were The Star Wars Sequels That Bad?
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What I really don't like about the sequels is that out of nowhere dark side has literally infinite recources and by the 8th film it ends with only a ship of rebels. Like what happened between these films????
Exactly if the First Order are essentially just a terrorist faction how do they have access to resources the good guys don't?
Yep you guys are both right, it's staggering going from the supposed collapse of the Empire in "Return of the Jedi", to the First Order being at least 10x bigger and more powerful in "The Force Awakens"
@@Remix-pr4xd I need to rewatch the movies and closely read the scrolling text (I only remember a little from when I was in the movie theaters) cuz I swear the growth of the first order was so sudden. I like how he is going back to these films as a sort of retrospective, its intriguing to see how he will cover the trilogy!
@@jaydherb5793 somehow no-one questioned the fact that they have a death star planet that can kill solar systems
Ngl this was hard to watch because thinking about the sequel trilogy just takes me to an... unhappy place of mind... but good job, man. Great points!
Yeah man it was a sad reflection in a lot of ways. Compiling the clips of everyone getting hyped for the intro was especially disheartening in certain ways.
Thank you so much my man!
If the 0thergeorge is so good then why isnt there a 0thergeorge 2?
“JJ and Rian are perfect choices... in that regard”
Just don’t let them write
@@That0therGeorge Oh very good. I definitely agree that with a movie like the Force Awakens, where so much of it consists of setup, the next movie has to have a lot of payoff, or it makes both movies worse. Can't wait for the next analysis
@@Raleyg Thank you very much! And yeah absolutely, the thing is is that TFA isn't an outright terrible movie or anything, it's just extremely hollow and doesn't serve as a good follow-up to ROTJ
@@That0therGeorge Yeah it's pretty horrible; the whole first order thing undermines the OT, Han is totally assassinated, and the entire film is nonsensical... Not to mention all of the JJ mystery boxes. It is an unsalvageable movie
Great video, the editing was spot on and I could tell you put a lot of work into this. Your videos are getting better each time and it’s great to see.
Thank you! Yes I'm very particular about the editing, I like things to line up with what I'm saying as much as possible. I appreciate you for picking up on that, thanks again!
George!!! Long time no see!! So nice to see you back! This was another awesome video you’ve made! Honestly, I’ve had a very odd and frustrating relationship with the Star Wars sequels. Although I enjoyed the Force Awakens in my first viewing, it just didn’t click in again in multiple viewings. The film indeed have a lot of fun action, space battles, and lightsaber fights. What really made me upset was how unpolished the writing was for characters and sequences. I expected more concepts to be explained but there were several missed opportunities in the sequels. Your video really helped illustrate my frustrations with the story of the trilogy and the potential it could’ve had. At least the Original and Prequel trilogies had strong connections especially with the ending of Episode 3 linking Episode 4. Star Wars has now had a mixed relationship with me nowadays and your video has really helped me process my irritations with it haha 😅😂 But, thank you loads for sharing this!
Nah, thank you dude! Yeah the Sequels are quite strange to look at now. On my re-watch for this video I was expecting to be criticising a lot but still maintain some praise. But this video did mainly end up being criticism, TFA is a well made film, just not a very well written one
I missed the notification back when this came out. Really happy I checked in on your channel, damn good video. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Oh no worries at all, thank you for the kind words!
@@That0therGeorge Hey George! New to the channel, you're doing great stuff here. So, don't get this as complaining, but... Are you still planning to finish this series? Or scripting for TFA was so disheartening you gave it up?
@@Sekir80 Hey there, thank you very much for watching my projects and leaving comments, I do appreciate it.
I would never say never. I think what put me off is that I originally intended to review the Sequels as one project. Making this one a couple years back was a lot of work and fairly disheartening like you said haha. So the idea of doing this twice more didn't seem worth it. I don't regret this project, but I definitely preferred making the 'Andor' one.
@@That0therGeorge Yeah, from the title and your earlier project about the prequels I thought this will be a complete trilogy, as you said.
Well, I get what you say, not easy to move forward with a "Meh.." project, if you have something awesome instead. I loved your Andor video, it was worth making it!
@@Sekir80 Thank you very much! There will be more like the 'Andor' video in the new year.
Ayy the legend is back
Yoooo where you been?? What a delight to see you pop up. Great video as always
I did actually start the script for this video the day after my Anti-Heroes video released. Just took a while longer given the length of the video and wanting to improve on the editing. Thank you!
@@That0therGeorge paid off, sure everyone can see the quality always going up
@@ariasity I'm glad you think that, thank you again! What do you think of the Star Wars Sequels?
@@That0therGeorge so I know a lot of people really hate them and some would say it's a trend to hate them but it's one of the fan bases that has compelling reasons for hating them(at least where I'm from) I really dislike them but they actually make me appreciate the original trilogy more and to me they aren't part of the series, the Skywalker story ends with return of the Jedi
@@That0therGeorge don't get me wrong there are things that are really cool and stunning(the visuals) in them but as overall products, nahh
Somehow That0therGeorge has returned
"No one's ever really gone!"
I’ll be the one brave enough to say it: Rey has far more instances where she’s underpowered and weak af compared to when she’s actually good at anything. What am I saying you might ask? Well this might sound crazy, but she needs a serious buff if she hopes to be the literal grand master of the Jedi. All she can do is fly and lift rocks, both can be explained by her high m count.
Tom, could you provide an example of her being underpowered
Bruh she dueled a wannabe sith lord and won…
Bruh she dueled a wannabe sith lord and won…
Just a as point of fact, there is a 30 year difference between the end of ROTJ, and the beginning of TFA. The Mandalorian takes place 5 years after ROTJ, just for additional SW context.
Yeah I figured it was that way, cool to know that that's official though
Where is the one you made for the last Jedi and the other film
AYYYYYYYYY hes back!
Glad to be!
@@That0therGeorge indeed, missed you lad
God has returned.
Hahah thanks!
first video of your 20s?
The original trilogy is based off of Lucas's interpretations of religion or world religions, or fairy tales, as he calls it. Its abstract structure (especially TESB and ROTJ) are specifically constructed from this in mind. The original Star Wars has more of a Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers and Vietnam War commentary, even though this is still present in TESB and ROTJ.
TESB was better in some respects because Kershner WAS supposed better characterize the characters, which was a bit of a problem, and he DID help in some areas. Not all, because he envisioned C-3PO as Mary Poppins and Felix from The Odd Couple film for some reason, to be a nuisance, whereas in the original Star Wars C-3PO was more of a selfish character who learned to care for a cause and to be selfless (for R2-D2 and other characters). He wasn't really a nuisance, and even there are scenes like C-3PO telling Luke and co. to go on without him, and Luke shoots down the comment.
Also, it is unclear what impact certain editors had on the original Star Wars script, as opposed to later editors with TESB, etc. (Kasdan). I think that Kasdan did overall do a good job, but his impact is hit or miss at times (thought that Luke's plan should be multi-layered at Jabba's palace, (which created problems and made Luke appear arrogant by risking his friends' safety, especially with pacifism) as opposed to Lucas's more simple plan of: Luke wants to knock all the bad guys into the pit).
Neither the prequels, (aside from being a tragedy, which fits the mold of the tragic hero well enough), nor the sequels really follow the hero's journey, or abstract ideas (good son doesn't redeem the good-bad father AT ALL in the sequels- Rey does not redeem Palpatine, although he is destroyed with his own method of killing the protagonist, which is something George mentioned).
Another thing: the big bad, or the main guy, apparently, IS NOT the Emperor, but THE DARK SIDE, who is puppeteering its evil through Emperor to corrupt the galaxy. I think that this is another reason why the Emperor speaks so much, as if he were the literal embodiment of evil or the dark side in the series. Lucas also mentioned that if one kills/defeats the Emperor, then the whole conflict is over, which contradicts the freedom mentioned in the original Star Wars opening crawl (i.e. defeat of the Death Star), and also simplifies it (i.e. Darth Vader or generals could take over in the power vacuum, i.e. Kylo Ren with Snoke or even Thrawn in the Thrawn trilogy).
I think that the Sequel trilogy would have been... less bad, if they were episodes 10, 11 and 12.
Because good fucking lord so much shit happens between episode 6 and 7 that you can actually make a whole trilogy out of it.
No matter what... TFA's Han characterization will always be unsatisfying, TLJ's luke characterization will never make sense, leia's Lobotomy will always be saddening, and the palpatines will have won the day with the last skywalker thrown down a pit.
@@timewarpdrive77 yeah, I never said it would be good.
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Were the sequels bad? Now that is a complicated question. Overall I would say yes. But I think the sequels had some very good ideas and those ideas were either done in the worst possible way or were way underdeveloped. I will bring up each example and explain the flaws I found in each and my take on how it should've been if I had an alternative. Be prepared. This got really really long and its a lot of reading.
The First Order: right off the bat, the first order is quite unoriginal. They are basically just a copy paste of the empire where they make a bigger version of the Death Star. I get that its supposed to be kind of a neo naz* thing, where the first order idolizes the philosophies of the empire despite the empire being generally bad (for all the flaws of the republic, at least they didn't have superweapons and practiced tort*re tactics against prisoners). For one it's just lazy writing, because all the stuff the first order did was all stuff the empire did. Now if the group was founded from the remnants of the empire, you know the Thrawn's and Gideon’s and previous officers and stormtroopers who survived the fall of the empire then make that more clear, but from what I can tell the first order was just made from a bunch of fan girls of the empire. Now let me make something clear. I understand that they are purposefully based on the empire's ideals. But did they really need to make a death star? Did they need to be as blatantly evil as the empire. And this also raises the question of how the Empire 2.0 returned as the controlling power of the galaxy in less than 30 years. I suppose you could argue that maybe the new republic wasn't that great or was a complete disaster because they tried to be everything the empire wasn't. But you're telling me the galaxy thought legalized slav*ry and planet destroyers and domestic terr*rism was better? Here are the couple options I would've had instead of just a basic Empire: the Sequel. One. If you still wanted the first order as the controlling government of the galaxy I wouldn't make them so evil. Now if they were still the villains they could still be somewhat evil but they shouldn't be destroying planets and committing genoc*de. They should've been more of a blend between the galactic empire and galactic republic where they are generally good and keep the order through something other than just fear but are also corrupt and have dangerous and unethical projects (so maybe more like the separatist alliance). And the overall goal of this idea is to portray a, at least, more understanding first order because it's important we understand how they were able to push out the new republic. Two. If you want the First Order to be blatantly evil then I would not make them the controlling interest of the galaxy. And instead the sequels would take place during the galactic war between the new republic and first order. Even if the new republic is weak and is losing the war quickly, I would rather see that. I would rather see that they can't break through political gridlock or have a poorly run military. I would want to see how the new republic was failing in the face of the overwhelming force, especially without the help of the Jedi order, if Luke Skywalker failed, or minimal help, if Luke was still kinda around (i'll talk about this later).
Finn: this was already mentioned in the video, but honestly Finn's character was just wasted. A stormtrooper who defected is a great idea. But Finn was never really developed beyond that point. We didn't see why he joined (if he went willingly) or was conscripted( if he was forced or sold) or even cloned (Finn did not have a name so the first order could have had an army of a couple variations for different roles within the empire rather than a one size fit all like the clone army, just a pitch. I know it's not the case but I think it's an interesting idea). And we never really saw his opinions of the first order, the good and bad, rather than just the bad. You'd think after being with the first order for some time, he might have more of a gray response to the first order rather than blatant black and white. But even worse, they made Finn a useless character. Now, also like said in the video, Rey is overpowered to the point where any action he takes is overshadowed, but if I recall they like made purposefully made him useless. Because he wasn't just some foot soldier, he was like a sanitation worker. That is terrible for his character (or at least it is for this particular character). Because now not only did Rey overshadow every action he took, but he had no redeeming actions he could possibly take. He could honestly probably not be in the entire trilogy and nothing would've changed. I guess he does advance the plot in places but to me they seem more like accidents rather then purposeful decisions he chose to take. Here is what I would've done with Finn. His backstory and how he joined the first order is irrelevant and all are compelling so long as they are properly explained (believed in the cause, he had no choice, it was what he was born for etc). But personally I would've made him a pilot within the first order. I know it feels kinda cliché to have a top notch pilot, but my idea to make Finn and Rey a better duo is to basically combine the characters of Luke and Anakin Skywalker plus minus some differences and then split those characteristics between Finn and Rey. Finn would be the ace pilot, calm and collected, but with deep conflict about his past, who is more of a strategist and less of a fighter now because of said past, maybe even to the point where he just doesn't want to hurt anyone else. Rey would be the novice force user (or at the start at least of movie 7 she's a newb and more powerful/skilled at movie 9), but would also be more hot headed and impulsive jumping to action who has self doubt about herself and desperately wants to prove herself.
Rey: I was just talking about this above and no one needs to point it out but Rey is way too overpowered. One of the biggest qualms I have about the force is that there is no real limit or downside to it. Every power needs a weakness to count it or some kind of limit. Now sure the force does have its limits but on the whole it's basically unbeatable. And the best way to make it beatable is to either make the force weaker within a person so their control is limited or to make the person wielding it a flawed person. This usually takes the form of some kind of mental block preventing them from using the force to their full capabilities. With Luke this was low self confidence as well as the desire to prove his father was still good and thus not fighting Vader at full strength for the most part because he didn't want to hurt his father. This might be mentioned in a book or comic but if I had to guess, Anakin's mental block was around self doubt and/or self fear because we see he is really at his strongest when he's protecting others (as seen in the clone wars (especially the mortis arc)) and he is also afraid of his own power and hurting others (as seen when he kills the Tusken and when turns to the dark side and gets rid of that fear/uses it to his advantage). But Rey is not very flawed. Maybe she has some grief in her about her past and some abandonment issues, but that doesn't affect her ability to use the force. In fact her past doesn't amount to anything other than a sob story. And speaking of using the force, it is my firm belief that all jedi should start off pretty weak. In order to combat mind probes and lift rocks and see visions one needs training, of they manage to pull it off, its completely by accident. Now if she knew she was force sensitive and she sorta trained herself on jakku, then maybe she could do some low level things. But under no circumstance should she be able to defeat Kylo Ren, who is clearly highly trained with the force, on her first try even if she's the most powerful jedi since Anakin Skywalker. I mean, would Anakin have been able to defeat Maul when he had no training? No. And also making her Palpatine's daughter/granddaughter is just cheap. I will get into the disaster called Palpatine later, but in this trilogy it would've been far more compelling if she had just been a no one born to no one important with no ties to anyone. The first two trilogies were circled around those who were related to force sensitive beings/people (with Anakin born from either plagueis experiments or just a manifestation of the force, pick your poison, and Luke who is son of said chosen one), and honestly I always find some of the best heroes are the ones who don't have born destinies but those who are forced into them or chose them.
pt 2 below (its the replies below, i don't think comments can be super long so i had to split it up)
Kylo Ren/Villains: honestly in terms of character design I don't have a lot of problems with Kylo Ren. Now he is kind of a baby but over all a sith, the grandson of Vader, who idolizes his grandfather when he was still dark and is swayed to the dark side after losing trust in his parents and uncle who failed him and eventually realizes his mistake and finds redemption by helping to take down his master. Nothing but thumbs up from me. I love complex characters and redemption. However (yes there is a however), his redemption arc was sloppy at best. This is character building 101 here. If a character redeems themselves (or betrays everyone (*Anakin*)) we need to see their actions leading up to that point and see what causes the change to find redemption or betray everyone. And this is especially the case with the most evil or most good characters. Now usually with the most black and white characters, this act is also usually their final act. The best case study of this is of course Darth Vader himself. One of the worst villains in history sacrificed himself to save his son and destroy his master there by redeeming himself and bringing balance to the force. But in order for this to be a true redemption it unfortunately had to be his final act. Do you really think darth vader, the man who helped order genoc*de against the jedi order among countless other worlds who brought about an era of fear and darkness would ever be trusted again or allowed to teach jedi or be around younglings. Now maybe if he was more gray this could work, but we never really see that Vader has doubt in his actions. And this leads me to my next point about more gray villains. Gray villains have more options when it comes to their redemptions (or betrayals if they are hero characters), because they have doubts. Here are two character redemptions examples. The first is a star wars character called Alexsandr Kallus, or Agent Kallus from Star Wars Rebels. For those who don't know him and are too lazy to look him up on wookieepedia, here's a quick summary. He was imperial captain who helped immorally keep order even helping commit genoc*de and condone tort*re methods who began to see the evil of the empire, going so far as to become an inside agent for the rebellion and eventually fully defecting when he was caught. He was originally a very dark villain and he could've been another Thrawn or Vader, but the important part that separates him from the worst of the worst villains is that he saw the errors of his way, and even better he acted on that doubt and began doing the right thing. And here's an example of the best redemption arc of all time, Zuko from Avatar the Last Airbender. You had the main villain who persistently tried to kill the hero to gain redemption from his father who later understood that he didn't need his fathers favor even joining the hero to help take down his father. A villian who, by all rights, should've been the final boss, understood the errors of his ways and changed. So keep this in mind as I go back to Kylo Ren: black and white villains can only redeem themselves through their last act, but villains with light or doubt in them can find long term redemption. The sequels portrayed Kylo Ren as a black and white villain who was able to redeem himself in the long term. I know now many of you are like “no kylo was good just misunderstood you're wrong and stupid and i hate you.” No dude. They portray Kylo as a whiny selfish drama queen, he was never good. “Oh but he killed Snoke.” He didn't kill Snoke to be a good person and do the right thing, he killed Snoke to take his place. “Oh but he had doubts and would've left it all behind for rey.” Well first off they should've never had a weird romance. It was toxic af to bonded through the force and is honestly kinda lame, and I think adding romance when it isn’t necessary just distracts from the film and can even change a characters personality creating contradiction (like trying to convince the audience he was secretly good though poor romance when really he was just manipulative jerk). And also Kylo didn't want to turn to the light; he wanted Rey to be his dark queen and rule with him. Kylo Ren had no doubts or guilt about his actions and yet they tried to give a long term redemption. “Oh but kylo died to save himself to save rey so she could defeat palpy.” Fine technically you're right, but you're also wrong. His entire weak moment where he goes to the light fully implies that he planned to live and do right after. Kylo Ren should've either never gone to the light, helping Palpatine to the end and being a villain (he doesn't exactly have a son he wants to save and sacrifice himself for) or he should've had his redemption much earlier (end of movie 8 or start of movie 9) and we should've seen the conflict in him from the start to make that redemption believable. And speaking of villains.
Palpatine/Cloning: we all know that "somehow palpatine returned" might be one of the worst ideas Disney had. Now before I get into the bad I would like to start with the only good idea from this. As a general concept I think a theoretically immortal villain is a really interesting concept. How do you defeat someone who can just die and start up a new clone and keep powering through. By the skin of your teeth and a lot of luck, which is what a lot of star wars is based on. But the execution of this idea was just terrible. Assuming Kylo Ren redeemed himself and is not the main villain, then this idea would have needed to be introduced in movie 7 where the villain dies and is reborn again so we can see the again once or twice episode 8 and episode 9 is about finding all the clones and facilities and destroying them insuring the sith is really gone while everyone else strikes the final blow/damaging blow to the first order ensuring their downfall. But this was introduced in the dumpster fire called the rise of skywalker. And not only was it introduced late with no room to develop but they picked the worst villain. And worst of all, I know exactly why they picked Palpatine. The executives sat down to write the plot and they said “oh no we've just killed two out of three of our most beloved characters with the intention of killing the last, how are we going to rake in the money and nostalgia. Omg Ian McDiarmid is still alive,” and I'm sure you can figure out the rest from there. This is just so bad. You know what this means. This means Vader died for nothing. His sacrifice in stopping the empire was for nothing. He didn't beat Palpy, he just delayed him for like 30 years. Sure he still saved Luke but he didn't stop his master. It's just like the stupidest idea and it was so sloppy. I know The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch are fixing this right now, but still. It shouldn't have been Palpatine. It should've been Snoke. Maybe he was a force sensitive child who grew up in a era without the order (empire) and eventually found the unfinished plans to make force sensitive clones from an ancient sith (palpatine is actually fine here) and finished them, becoming a sith lord following the siths works and even disfiguring himself in a sith experiment eventually grooming and taking in kylo ren and attempting to create an empire with himself as the immortal force sensitive leader. Did we get that? No. We just got call backs and money.
pt 3 below below
Luke Skywalker/failed Jedi order: SIgh. I'm not against the idea of the new jedi order failing, but they didn't do it correctly. Honestly the thing I hate most about this idea is how they change Luke's character. Like am I really to believe that Luke Skywalker really tried to kill his nephew because of a feeling? That's not really in character. Now I do like that he's secluded himself and abandoned the force and is full of doubt once again (much like in episode 5), but I just feel like the execution of his self-inflicted reclusion wasn't very well done. Luke does not strike me as the type to attack a child under any circumstance. “Oh but he had doubts and was scared, it was the darkside talking, a moment of weakness, stupid.” Oh really. You're telling me Luke was irrational to the point where he tried to kill his nephew. Boo. If Luke did seclude himself, it should've been for a different reason. Maybe Kylo did turn on everyone after being seduced by the darkside and Luke feels like he failed to save his students and Kylo (much like how kenobi probably felt after order 66). Maybe there was a tragedy resulting in Luke being unable to save the order he was creating (maybe from Boba taking some revenge teeheehee). But as long as it doesn't really conflict with Luke's character as much then it doesn't really matter. And then there’s the idea of the origins of the jedi order. Now don’t get me wrong, I love pointless worldbuilding and I like seeing the entirety of the history and complicated layout even if it contributes absolutely nothing to the plot or world. And while on the whole having the whole origins of the jedi order wasn’t a bad idea, they didn’t really use it properly. If Luke had maybe retreated and became like a monk and devoted himself to the origins of the jedi philosophy and teachings, or maybe gathering intel on how to create a new jedi order from scratch then the first temple, or whatever it was called, would fit in really well. But Luke wasn’t. He was just like a bitter old man camping out in some ruins. And sure Luke being a bitter old man is fine but why would he go back to what is basically the equivalent of Jerusalem when he renounced his religion (im agnostic I have literally no clue if that is the correct analogy). If he’s going to be a bitter old man who hides from the world, as cliché as it is, I’d rather see him hiding out on Tatooine being a hermit or moisture farmer. In the movies there isn’t like a huge point to him really being there except for being like a cool setting. And even though it's a cool spot and some neat worldbuilding, it just doesn’t work and just contradicts Lukes character and reasons for being there, especially since he’s not a jedi anymore to the point where he cut himself off from the force. So yeah, Ahch-to (bless you (we didn't even get that joke in the movie and its such delicious low-hanging fruit)) is a good and pretty interesting place but was overall just kinda wasted in the movie. And if they really wanted to add it then maybe Rey and/or Finn and/or Leia pick up Luke from his little hermit shack on Tatooine (if you really want the nostalgia then it could be Obi-Wan’s old place) and he takes them there to test Rey and tell her about the failings of the jedi order and/or himself. But otherwise if he is there, then it would make more sense for him to be a super religious monk, maybe even to the point where he’s trying to become just like the prime jedi, or he’s desperately searching for a way to make a jedi order that won’t fail again.
Starkiller Base: It’s just a version of the Death Star and we’ve already seen that. I honestly don’t have a super great idea on what an alternative could be. Maybe something more suns were rather than a weapon, starkiller works by strip mining and consuming suns to turn it into raw materials or fuel or something for the first order. It is a destructive way to destroy an entire system because any populated planet kinda needs a sun to survive, but I don’t know. I just don’t have a good one off the top of my head.
pt 4. below below below
Movie 9: Everyone knows this move was a mess. It was a burning dumpster fire filled with ideas for a trilogy shoved into a single movie. If you ask me, much of this came from changing the villain at the last moment (see above where I talk about villains and Palpatine). I don’t really know how to save it and I’ll just give a quick thing about different concepts I liked and didn’t like. And don't get me wrong, all the movies had their flaws, but this in peticular was just a mess because of the timing and the surplus of ideas that were just thrown in with no development.
-The first is Exegol. The planet vibe was pretty cool with the black obelisks and random bursts of lightning. But it’s also pretty unnecessary in terms of a location. We already have Korriban/Moraband and if they wanted to do a whole sith empire and seeing dead sith lords thing, then Korriban is a much better location to go to because it has all of that and I like connecting legends to canon whenever I can.
-Hux. I don’t have any really strong opinions about him because he was the non force sensitive version of Kylo, and just like Kylo, his turn to the light side is completely unbelievable (see above where I talk about villains and redemption especially with Kallus).
-Pasaana. The idea that they just stumble onto the festival that happens every 42 years is bad and lazy writing. Maybe once a year is more believable but still. There's not really a way to fix this unless the characters are prepared or knew about it ahead of time and did little side missions (like finding Luke or finding a code breaker or whatever it was in movie 8) with a defined ok we'll all be at this location on this date.
-Force healing. I actually think force healing could be a thing, but I do not think it should work to the extreme that Rey uses. If force healing is a thing it’s more like a jedi uses it on themself to keep from dying or to recover faster from injuries and is a pretty passive skill to the point where it's usually one of the first things younglings are taught. So for example, let's say a jedi got stabbed in the leg and the bone broke as well. Force heal would be used to keep the jedi from bleeding to death (it wouldn’t be infinite, but they could stay alive longer than a normal person and it's so they can get help faster) and let's say it takes them 5 weeks for a regular dude to heal the broken bone, but a jedi would do it in like 3 weeks (of course this is without bacta). Maybe like the most powerful or the most skilled jedi in the halls of healing could heal someone else, but its not to the degree we see in this movie, and it would be more like scratch or helping them stay alive a little longer for help to arrive, but that would have to be pretty advanced skill, and the only character that might pull it off in this trilogy is Luke and that’s it.
-Force lightning. Yeah we already know disney messed canon and how the force works but I’m still going to say it anyways. You can’t use force lightning unless you’re a sith and your alignment is firmly dark, which Rey isn’t so even if maybe some skills are more hereditary (which it isn't but you could also say luke's intuitions while flying is similar to anakins), force lightning is firmly off her skillset unless she changed sides.
-The dagger. Yeah, once again we all know this wasn’t really a good idea. But I’ll talk about the death star part later and I want to talk about c3p0 and the sith language. Overall it's not a great idea but I have work around I’ve been tinkering with and I finally have a reason to share it. So the reason c3p0 has to reboot after speaking sith is because there’s a ban on it. Let me explain. So a long time ago the sith empire and jedi had this war. It ended with the Jedi winning and the old republic reforming into the galactic republic. But afterwards there was this huge fear of the sith coming back to the point where the galactic republic put a ban on the sith language so people going to the planets in the sith empire couldn’t translate the writings and potentially use their philosophies and attempt to remake the sith empire. And they did this in two ways. They basically destroyed all records of translations and dictionaries and they stopped putting the sith language in translator droids. But obviously there were a lot of translator droids made before then with sith written into them. And to counter this all translator droids were legally required to get an update where if their master wanted them to speak sith, the droid's memory would reset and would force the droid to turn themselves in and report their master for wanting to hear the banned language. C3p0 was one of those droids and was destroyed at some point before Anakin Skywalker found his translator that still had sith written into it and put him back together. And since at the time there was no republic he just rebooted with a memory wipe. That’s it. Just another work around I made.
-Poe’s backstory thing. Yeah this wasn’t a bad idea, but overly squashed and grossly underdeveloped.
-Kef Bir. If the ruins of the death star were on any planet, they should’ve been on Endor, but you know how it is by now, we need that cool flashy visual and nostalgia and the idea of an ancient dagger fighting perfectly with like 30 year old ruins is silly. The best thing they could've done was maybe have Luke dig through the ruins because he knew where the emperor's room had been but even that's bad so, thumbs down.
And pretty much everything else is mentioned somewhere else on this huge muliti part note.
And those are kind of the biggest ones I can think of off the top of my head. Now obviously there are a lot of problems, but many of the other ones can be worked around or edited without changing too much, assuming the idea was developed more thoroughly in the movies or could fit into any of the numerous ideas I have listed. And sorry for the censorship, youtube apparently doesn't like people saying bad words and i don't know which word it was that pissed them off when i wrote this a few days ago, so I just did all the bad ones and it took so much editing :(
yo fr how did this get so long. im legitimately sorry for anyone who read this whole thing. i didnt mean this i swear. i got lost in the sauce
Yes
Big Lebowsky is a bad example, everyone is equally incompetent in this flic.
The sequels did nothing wrong, or little to nothing. Honestly, the more I've read about Star Wars's history (i.e. how it was written and for what demographic), they've done little-to nothing wrong.
Star Wars was broken from the start:
Mixing a liberal-mindset with a Vietnam War commentary with Flash Gordon and questionable morality (The Empire Strikes Back was supposed to be a horror film at one point, which clashes with the idea of creating a happy ending in ROTJ or assuring young viewers of their place in society) and a view on Buddhist/Hinduistic philosophy= disaster. It's been this way, since probably the beginning or the fourth draft of the original Star Wars.
Not many fans would like to admit this. Because this is Star Wars's foundation, plus abstract concepts that the creator thought were relevant to the hero's journey (good son-redeeming the evil-good father in Return of the Jedi), despite the concepts being contradicted with character development and reactions (Luke is angry and afraid (basically horrified) at Vader at the end of The Empire Strikes Back- there is little of that anger and fear in the next film, aside from slicing off of Vader's hand and being afraid of Vader at certain points (Luke sensing Vader's presence), which creates an inconsistency, or a possible one, with TESB Luke. This also undermines ROTJ Luke's heroic nature that a lot of fans argue for and is also Lucas's intent with the character (building the new lightsaber is a rite of passage; Luke and Vader are now equals).
What? How does that have anything to do with the sequels being poorly written?
If you think it cant or shouldnt contain dichotomies maybe you should trying looking beyond paradox
You say it was a disaster, except for it being one of the biggest franchises and trend setters for the past 40 years. You're wrong and should feel bad
How are you going to spend that much time complaining about Rey thinking Luke was a myth (not the Battle of Endor, the magic man) but ignore how everyone in the original trilogy thought the Jedi/Sith were either a myth or tricksters when the prequels go out of their way to establish them as a serious political power who everyone knew was real? The sheer number of moments where the prequels make something that is said or happens in the originals nonsense is insane.
The reality is that, outside of the Rise of Skywalker, the sequels were generally well written. No, not everything was perfect, but the story told between the first two and the Colin Trevorrow script make for a coherent and satisfying story.
No, the sequels weren't that bad.
Now the prequels,...they were bad!
I think the presentation is better in the Sequels, but I feel like the Prequels are much more effective as stories
@@That0therGeorge Story wise neither was all that well done. The prequels though are cleaner and prettier looking, while the sequels look more,..real.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot This ain't 2012 anymore. You're irrelevant.
@@LogicalSkeptic I may be irrelevant,...
,...but the prequels are still a steaming pile of bantha crap!
The DT doesn't look like SW at all.