The Doha Debates - Muslim Women's Freedom To Marry - Yasir Qadhi & Asra Nomani
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The Doha Debates session debating the House's belief that Muslim women should be free to marry anyone they choose.
For the motion are Asra Nomani from America and Muhammad Habash from Syria. Against the motion are Thuraya Al Arrayed from Saudi Arabia and Yasir Qadhi, American Muslim cleric and instructor for AlMaghrib Institute.
The debate was the fifth and final of the 2008-2009 year, filmed on May 25th, 2009 in Qatar.
May Allah bless Yasie Qadhi, he is a sheikh that argues with truth and intellectuals
I go with sheikh yasir in the debate!!!
Jazaka'Allah khair for posting. I was looking for this debate.
Yasir Qadhi, you are good. I like your speach man.
Lol, Yasir Qadhi was literally the only guy made sense. The rest of the three just kept jumping around from topic to topic, it was ridiculous. Agree or disagree with him (and I don't always agree with him), he was clearly the sharpest guy there.
100% agree
That's because he is a scholar of islam
He speaks with knowledge
Not ignorance
Pheromone true
@François Web can you be vegan and eat burgers?
Every time Asra was answering a difficult question, she turned to the audience, not the panelists, and started the same emotional guilt filled response, such as “I'm a mother…” “I don't want you to go through this…” just for an example. After all it seems that mothers always know best.
Good debate. Thank you for posting. May Allah bless you and your family.
Yasir Qadhi is a great scholar, he's always a pleasure to listen to
Never allow anyone or anything to control you.
It’s sad to hear that allegedly poetess say: take the Easy Way Out, which she translated into the “happy way out.” Which of course means doing what everyone else says and pleasing an irrational religion’s expectations. And it then goes on as irrational as to advise young girls not to even marry a Muslim from other country. It all comes down to stay close to your mom so she can control your marriage.
Jazaka'Allah bro i was waiting for this one
I've seriouly looked at almost all these doha debates! Love em
Just wasted 45 minutes of my life.... May Allah bless sheikh yasir qahdi. I feel bad for an extremely logical and rational man like yourself to have to bear sitting with all these idiotic humans.
Lol agree, this debate was an insult to Yasir Qadthi's intelligence mA.
Man, so true!
If something is prohibited then it must be explicit and the corresponding penalty also explicit. And there is nothing in the Koran that explicitly prohibit a muslim woman to marry whom she wants - muslim or not. Much less is there a penalty for her decision for marrying a non-muslim. You can have a thousand scholars saying a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim but it will still be the word of men and not of God.
@@edwinsubijano263 Why do you think in the time time of Messenger Sallahu Alayhi Wasalaam when people embrace the faith they divorced their spouse who didn't embrace the faith ?
WHY is this even an argument? Marry who you want to marry!!!!!
I know right! This is disgusting
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Astaghfirullah ladies, you don’t know Islam, don’t criticize it
The answer was at 8:08 thats the basis of the argument
Back in your cupboard woman! 😂
this made me write a blog. Very thought provoking.
Yasir Qadhi by far the sharpest one there, he did simply what any other Islamic scholar would say, and that is stating the official ruling.
To argue that 1400 years of Islamic scholarly tradition interpreted the verse wrong takes a lot of arrogance; if you don't like the ruling, feel free to leave the faith, but don't try changing what has been established for 1000+ years.
there is no Islamic law!! a law is for a country and all religions must follow the law of the land they chose to live in,,,, period!
What is prohibited, it is prohibited... if you are a Muslim you do not follow your desires and mind, you follow the rules and laws set by the One Who Made you i.e. God/Allah. Simple as that.
+Idris Ahmed Allah is not the one that has to have sex with muslim men. Eeeew!
Does Allah expressly prohibit muslim women from marrying non-muslim men?
What a great platform those debates are! It gets people to see, to distinguish, and to decide. The Qatar foundation deserves a medal for them.
This debate is just Yasir Qadhi surrounded by a bunch of dimwits. Time was too short for debating a vast topic like this. The only guy who sounded rational and logical was Yasir Qadhi.
can someone say I am a communist but would like to have the right to have private property because it is my human rights to do so....
or can someone say I am vegetarian but love to eat meat its my human rights
Mat Mos exactly
namani,one can tell she has been emotional all her life lol
@Daveissa87 I'm glad to hear it has worked. I also have inter-christian-muslim marriages in my family. May I ask how come you are christian? Did your father influence you more than your mother? How did you choose one religion over the other?
Peace
And where did you get that from ? I need your source please
The moment you overthink all of this stuff: culture, religion, family, position in society etc. just to varify your decision to marry that person, whoever it might be, is the moment where you should realise that such a relationship will go nowhere but south.
Yasir Qadhi won that debate fair and square , god bless him
No debate. He's just right :P
+Mademoiselle Sarah Of course he didn't. He argues for control of other people's lives, that is always wrong, no matter what.
+Mademoiselle Sarah Of course he didn't. He argues for control of other people's lives, that is always wrong, no matter what.
B. Wood Yeah, pesky things like laws and such shouldn't exist... (lol)
+Mademoiselle Sarah He's the only one who spoke on behalf of adhering to the principles of Islam... There is no sound argument against his position.
@lilartist10 I want to know the reason why you think she didn't say "I was told 'God forbid'". As for dress code, how you dress may be a part of religion, but it's not up to you to judge who is and who is not a muslim.
i find the fact that this show was cancelled very suspicious. can anyone tell me why they think or know the show was cancelled? i cant find an answer anywhere...
All of you forgot to mention that the penalty for apostasy is Death. You forgot to mention "honour killing" within the muslim world even between mariages of the same religion ! you forgot to mention many heavy deadly issues.
John Online Not islam then. There is only one deathpenalty in islam, thats murder! I dont know where you biggots get you information!
+Samir08 Taqiyya and you're really not very convincing.
ladyofperpetualmotion You know what taqiyya means right? That we can hide our religion/beliefs if we feel threatened? Nothing else, biggot!
+Samir08 When you feel threatened? You come to Western countries like bloodsucking leeches, turn decent neighborhoods into ghettos and try to force your shit law on us. Keep it to yourselves. If your countries are so superior than why do you come here!? I'm just stating the facts and that makes me a bigot? How many Christian churches do you allow in your country? Women can't marry a non Muslim and why is that? As for You, you judge western women calling them whores for showing the skin on their arms and legs and dress your woman in a tarp. Once again if our culture is so offensive to you then stay in your corner of the World. Your culture is an offence to the human race.
+Samir08 Why don't you speak out against radical Muslims then? Oh, that's right - Islam is Islam.
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Thank you so much, Greeko25. I honestly spoke from the heart and took a position that, to me, was just commonsense. Thank you so much for your expression of support. It's a cruel world out here :) Warmly, Asra
The motion was misleading... The motion SHOULD have been 'can a Muslim women marry a Non-Muslim'
Subhanallah!!!! Pls. guide us to the right path...
Its sad thats people life especially women is under laws written thousand years ago.. Its sad really sad.. And this happens in any religion not only islam
Ernie K look if they don’t want to follow the religion they can go and those you choose to obey should stay and be judged within the law
Incredible that this is even an issue to debate. Isn't it the most normal thing on earth that every human being should choose their own partner freely? Everyone has the right to be happy and to be with a person they love and trust.
Absolutely!
Being happy is awesome, but being responsible and happy is even better
Mir Ahsenullah being a slave of laws is awesome too to you I presume!
You should hear the basis of argument at 8:08
You are missing the point of what she said. She said society would feel that way.
can you that kind of debates in Syria please I would go ?
the first womans eyes are weird... it looks like they are gonna pop out of her head...
the way she talked is weird as well ... as if they were going to kill her after the debate and she was desperately trying to convince people not to do that ...
If u r Muslim u have to follow the law of Islam. So we have to love our creator. So your husband important or your creater ? Can u marry if u like a donkey ? If u say yes. Go get marry.
Why not? You screw your dead wives. You'd screw a hole in the wall. YOUR creator is SATAN.
Tim the moderator really made me LOL in this episode, along with his banter with Mehdi Hasan on the French niqab ban debate haha
@Daveissa87 How do you know most Muslim women would not have problem marrying Non-muslim man?
I felt really bad when people completely misunderstood Dr. yasir qadhi ... He was just saying, Islam doesn't diminish Women's right ... And still there are oppression against women in the name of Islam ... that's the problem of the society, not Islam ... and while looking at some of the questions asked by some people, i felt they have no brain to understand this simple point he was trying to make ...
Moinul Hossain , I'm a Muslim women and I testify that problem is with Islam, not society
Thank you Asra. You need to be given noble prize for your contribution.
It's good to get discussions and individual thoughts going on this topic to bring light to the subject and open eyes. I am 100% for womens rights.
The Truth on the issue is faith as for the believing men and women, they are not confused nor question what has already been clearly decreed or stated in the Qur-an and Ahadith...
The two ladies debating did a great job. especially the girl on the left.
+Nicholas Stafford
is it counincidence this is the top comment?
muslim marraiges happens normally with the close relatives sp all points of mushrik/muafique asra is wrong....if a women is muslim and having fear of allah cant go against parents and allah rule...this is not debatable matter
do u know the rules or believe the agendas.
Good comment tawfiq. I totally agree
Where is the actual quote in the Qur'an that forbids Muslim women from marrying men of the Book?
Yasir Qadhi, your always in the belly of the beast,may Allah grant you victory inshAllah.
Muslim/Arab men are so jealous of Muslim/Arab women, even if these women are not their wives, mother, sister, aunt, or cousin. Yet these Muslim/Arab men salivate over non-Muslim/Arab women.
+JCsTurn68 C pussified male spotted!!!!
+Trevis Blake • Unbelievable
Muslim men must protect muslim women
@hasancoool I don't support Asra, I am just clarifying the misconception that islam allows force marriage. This was also one of Asra red herring.
@lilartist10 What's your basis for thinking I'm wrong? It's very clear she said "I was told 'God forbid'", what do you base your opinion on?
You are in no position to consider or not consider people muslim, it's her own choice and no one else should make it any of their business how she is dressed. If she says "I am muslim" then who are you to say she's not?
I love Asra Nomani, but she´s got a very penetrating look in her eyes. Sometimes I find it funny, sometimes, deep, sometimes, scary. But I really admire her courage.
she speaks nonsense
She does not understand Islam. Or she does not have strong Inman.
wow how can u say she does not have strong Iman? do u see what's in her heart?
Nasra is one of those "Reformists" like Irshad Manji who think they know the religion better than the scholars like Yasir. Yasir is respected all around, and she is in no position to challenge him, people like her want the religion to be with how you feel it should be, not how it is suppose to be.
The Quran forbids any kind of reform: 2.11 وإذا قيل لهم لا تفسدوا في الأرض قالوا إنما نحن مصلحون (reform = corruption [fasad]). And you know the punishment for Fasad?
Syrian guy is none sc
Light Yagami he doesn’t know what his saying
is that a Rabbi 18:01 ???
"God is the judge, not individuals"
How stupid the arguments are! Yes a woman is FREE to choose. Just like she is free to be a Muslim or not. [La-Iqra-ha-fid-deen]. You cannot force a religion on anyone.
When a woman chooses (legally) forbidden boundaries for marriage, it simply means she is NOT YET A MUSLIM, TRULY SPEAKING. Just being born a Muslim and having Arabic names do not put her/him into the list of believers. So once again YES SHE IS FREE TO CHOOSE. So the issue is he/she should choose Islam by knowledge and conviction and then automatically she will make the right choice.
[Parents, society get shocked when daughters/sons choose one outside (legal) religion, but it should be an eye opener, that he/she was never a Muslim, that which would save them when the eyes will be overturned !!!!]
lol whatever a real muslim is anyone that submits to His Will.
that person could a jew or even a mexican.
you are just a racist
simple as that
Only education can beat religion.. Educate people.. Im going to marry whoever i love no matter the religion. This is not freedom, is slavery. I feel sorry for the girl from Golf. So young but so blind minded. And of course for the woman (blue scarf) that stands for her..
Also you have to take the whole surah. Meaning look at nisa. Its literal word for word laws. The surah itself isnt metaphorical in that aspect so why would someone say that that the iyads are? Take the whole religion or none of it
As usual, SaqibSaab is your one-stop source for Shaykh Yasir Qadhi videos :)
Forget islam and live happily ever after..... I did.
Seen your comments few times Concerning islamic topics and you keep saying how u left islam and how happy you are if that's how you really feel why don't you get on with this happy life without islam or are you just trying your best to convince yourself.....
im learning Islam and im feeling happier....
MUNAWIRUL HADI Munawirul, good for you. Let's see how long this happiness will last! I met many people like you but they gave up after some times!
We aim for eternal happiness mate, not just wordly, but good for you! I found Islam and live happy
Iam aziz Good for you Iam. But please don't buy the fundamentalist word which they says; live miserable in this world and live happily in other world and eternity. They speak in a way as if they are tour guides who are visiting hell and paradise on daily basis! By the way, if other world is good why all of them hang on this world by stealing, cheating, killing and torturing others! as a sample look to Iranian regime! they are doing all above!
Proud to.be moslimah ;;;;I like really the way Mr Qadhi talks
u r a slave.
+zubeida mahdi Quite expected of you as a blind follower of Islam. He doesn't talk sense but follows scripts. Hence he is Muslim society friendly and accepted. He is the biggest hypocrite living in American soil.
Somak Kumar Chaudhuri - *Most hypocrites live in apartheid India*
@12:40 does Habash even understand what compulsion means or even what the derived aya "there is no compulsion in religion" means...?
@26:45 Thurraya sums it up beautifully.
Asra Nomani is a cry baby,
The rulings in the Quranic texts that curtails the freedom of women to marry is one of the many reasons many are leaving the religion..
I hope all of this ends up well
@MrTakeiteasy1 btw, i forgot to congratulate my brother Yasir Qadhi. may Allah grant him jannatul firdausil a'ala
oH Snap!! Yasir QaDhi tore up this debate!!!
A beautiful verse describes how we should be acting, "Allaah will not change the condition of a people, until they change their conditions themselves" [13:11]. Meaning, until we change our condition (i.e. being constant sinners, disobedience to Allaah, not gaining correct knowledge to benefit ourselves) to a state of being obedient to Allaah, following the Prophet in absolutely everything he came with etc. then Allaah will not change our condition for us. We have to look to ourselves first!
MrAutosale, Thank you for understanding me correctly. I think the thumbs up to an assumption of discrimination on my part is so very interesting, because many of those thumbs up might be from folks who actually believe in discrimination against non-Muslim men who want to marry Muslim women. Best, Asra
Maa shaa ALLAH Excellent job Yasir Qadhi, well said
Sh. Yasir Qadhi...baraka Allahu feek for your clear & straight to the point statements! May Allah guide us to see the truth as truth and follow it and see the falsehood as falsehood and avoid it AMEEN!!!
@desiboyh You've got a point, and that point is precisely that at one point the Islamic nations were quite culturally and intellectually advanced relative to the rest of the world. Whereas now... you do what you want about that.
As a Pantheist I found the debate a worthwhile contribution to my views on Islam, by the way the Koran does not prohibit drinking alcohol, only alcohol of the grape.
As for the lady called Asra Nomani, what is wrong with her eyes? Every few minutes she keeps opening them as wide as she could. I am not being sarcastic here, but I am just curious.
@Kenshi76 Your right,but from the point of what the sister said,she didnt actually said that she doesnt care about the piety of a man(i just dont think sister that it was right to call her ignorant because of what she said that we might didnt understand at all). I mean for example, two men is asking you for marriage,these two men are from different race,from your own and from other race.
Dr. Yasir Qadhi is the best Islamic theological expert in the world today. Allah Subhanahuatayla bless him with hayat-e-tayeba.
Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 1:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا عَدُوِّي وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِم بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَقَدْ كَفَرُوا بِمَا جَاءَكُم مِّنَ الْحَقِّ يُخْرِجُونَ الرَّسُولَ وَإِيَّاكُمْ أَن تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ رَبِّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ خَرَجْتُمْ جِهَادًا فِي سَبِيلِي وَابْتِغَاءَ مَرْضَاتِي تُسِرُّونَ إِلَيْهِم بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِمَا أَخْفَيْتُمْ وَمَا أَعْلَنتُمْ وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاءَ السَّبِيلِ
O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Apostle and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.
(English - Shakir)
via iQuran
People confuse their cultures with Islam. The fact that some Arabs behave in some ways do not necessarily mean that it is the teachings of Islam. The Quran and Sunnah should be the reference point.
The title of the motion itself is misleading to non-Muslims. When Islaam was revealed by God, the first chapters that came down all dealt with topics such as the existence of God, paradise and hell, and the Hereafter and THEN, topics such as what is allowed or forbidden were revealed. This demonstrates that in order to follow such commandments, it is crucial to understand WHO is telling us this and WHY, it is crucial to build one's imaan, or faith before actually "practicing" one's religion.
Education doesn't necessarily equal good sense. Case and point.
Exactly, Why ask a question and then not let them answer the question u asked.
Asra is not a sheep like most of the muslims and can think for herself.. Religion divides humanity.
The public voted in favour of the title , not for the speakers !
Choices are great, make them and take responsibility for the results of your decision whether good or bad. I don’t agree with those who want the freedom to do as they like & also decide what others can and can’t do. You want to tell people to get lost until you want something from them I will tell you there’s the door.
and the host is actually really smart...yasir qadhi gave a very good answer and was able keep his composure
@malikidmc You make a good point, but what the parents want best is 99.99% about money and maybe social status. Surely a parent has a great influence on a childs decisions but the point is is that a non-muslim woman can disagree to marry rather then a muslim woman who cannot, unless disagreed by her parents. Its kind of like ''Who wants to be a millionaire''; the muslim woman can think of answering the question but she cannot say ''Final answer''. That is for the parents to say.
Yes, any woman who gets married without her Wali, the marriage is invalid. There is also an hadith that says, the Wali gets give a woman away without her permission. A woman came to the prophet and complaint about her father giving her away without her permission. The Prophet offered to dissolve the marriage right away but she stopped hime and said that she just want women to know that they can't just be given away without their permission. Therefore, women have the right to choose!
Dear Nadia Marchant, The Quran in fact does not explicitly state that a Muslim woman can't marry a non-Muslim man. It states that a Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim man and the absence of mention of Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men has been interpreted as a denial of permission, but that is an an assumption in the minds of interpreters. Granted, they may be scholars you respect, but your statement is incorrect in terms of where you assert the Quran "states" such a denial. Warmly, Asra
Dear Ooverloaded0, We are indeed a community that is settling some issues that other religious communities settled long ago. I would just caution that speaking of any women with such language isn't a good direction to go, I'm sure you might agree. There is just no good to be gotten from hurting others, I think. Thank you for watching the video. Asra Nomani
Often when it comes to debate about women's rights you would see men in the comment section praising whatever is going against women
Great Asra! very nice spoken.
The true faithful never admit to any thing negative in Islam
A counter argument is howabout if your interpretation of X is wrong? that totally kills your argument, now there is no real answer to the interpretation...
i think the speakers, including the chair is all great speakers but i do agree that the topic is too broad. There are 3 issues that should be discussed individually:
1. whether muslim women should be allowed to choose her own husband who is muslim.This is actually clear in Islam, they are allowed, but of course in some cultures, especially in cultures that are more traditional and close knit compared to the western cultures, it is not an easy thing. but this is the more to do with culture not Islam.
2. Whether muslim women should have the freedom to marry non muslim men
3. Whether muslim women should have the freedom to marry other women.
there is no debate for no 1 because ultimately Islam allows women to have a say in whoever they marry.
The debate would be more interesting and fruitful if they debated about issue 2 & 3 in depth but they keep coming back to issue no.1.
@Tippersnore exactly, its like are we even having this debate???
The host interrupted one side a lot more than the other. I wonder why???
I totally agree with you, if we want to follow our own choices(against the rules set by a religion) wats the need for that religion?
@cherylwens
It's not. I meant for one who do have religion. It's a must for those to intergrate logic, science, with it. Science is real. It's kind of like saying since the Quran/Bible/Torah/ etc. does not mention cars we cannot drive them. That would be irrational logic.