The REAL way to repair metal brake lines !
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Why not to use compression fittings and How to Fix metal brake lines the CORRECT way.
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you didnt show us how to flare the line on the car
Try this one
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@@SalemDoyle thanx!!
Thank you for being so conscientious and sharing your feeling about doing the job correctly for your safety's sake, Salem.
Thank you
Nice video. Diagnosed a recent (total) brake failure on my old Volvo as being a leak at line feeding the front DS caliper. This is a big help. Thanks man. 👍👍👍👍
I'm glad you covered the compression fitting bit right away. All good points!
I'm a fan of the nickel copper line, as it is much more resistant to corrosion and is easier to work with. You definitely pay for that, though! If I ever relocate my ABS pump on the GTO, I'll be doing a full NiCu line conversion.
Yes, i use that kind at work all the time.
Great video Salem. I loved how you explained the whole compression vs. flare attachment system. Especially the blow off vs. leak with the compression fitting system and front vs. rear brake. I'm doing flares for sure.
Thank you
Expert and professional video, thanks Salem!
Thank you for watching!
You just saved me from having to take apart half my engine bay to replace a brake like that I stripped a bolt off and had to cut the brake line. Thank you
Thank you so so much for being kind of you sharing your experience and videos to all of us ❤😊
Boy, I'm glad I decided to watch this one because I just got done watching one using compression fittings. Whew. I'll take the extra step. Thanks.
I think the way you added the coupler is a great idea. Currently trying to fix a brake line rf on my 88 f250
Thank you for showing the correct way I feel alot better now that I have a full understanding of how it all works 🖒🖒
Thank you for doing this video. I just called a part store and that is what the guy told me to get to fix my break line
Thankyou Salem for your informational content! I am repairing it on the rear end of my 2000 Chevy tracker that is rusted but am trying to find a budget helpful way of repairing just a bit of it where it is rusted
Thanks again. Love the content Love the steel brake lines too ! Lol have a nice day
Thanks for the info! I have a 2003 GP with the 3800, much like your car. Always warms my heart to see someone taking care of one these cars. Great vehicles.
Agreed. Thanks for watching
@@SalemDoyle You're welcome! What's your take on pulley swaps? I'm N/A, but I'm curious what you've done with your GP. BTW, I also have an '07 GXP with the 5.3. That thing hauls.
Nice car. I have a 3.5 pulley on my 99 with supporting mods
@@SalemDoyle Nice. I've actually seen a GTP (slightly) out-accelerate a GXP with the right mods. You just have to be careful with knock and not overwhelm the transmission from what I've read about the S/C cars. Heat buildup can be a problem too, with the already hot-running all-iron 3800 having a heat producing compressor on the top of it.
True
Thanks, SALEM!! really good video and thank you so much for the safety presentation!!
This video came just in time. As I had my brakes give out on the freeway last night 😱😱
Oh crap! Hope everything is ok
@@SalemDoyle Yeah everyone is fine except I can't drive at the moment. And it's cold in Jersey 😬😬
Well, thats good at least, hope you get it sorted out.
Good Info Salem! It make it look so easy! Heading up to O'Reilly's in a bit to get my brake lines and fittings. Thanks for sharing. Cheers from Motown.
Thanks for the help!! Great informative video and demonstration 💯💥💥
Thanks
I love it! Thanks bro!
Thank you for sharing the knowledge peace ✌️
Thank you for watching
Thanks brother will help me lot in future on my 05 z71
thank you for sharing ... 👍 You may save my life... can't imaging if I lost the brake in high way driving.
Been using compression lines for years without a problem. Many people say compression is better.
Some people say...
😂😂 love to see you get the feral fitting off the pipe it’s impossible it’s a crush fitting it will never blow off
I've seen compression fitting leaking and blown off. Never seen that when done properly.
Thank you sir. I am going to repair my 07 silverado brake line
Thanks for sharing this video!
My state (maine) specifically says you need a double flange on any brake line -
“This safety tubing must be double-lap flared at the ends in order to produce a strong leakproofjoint.”
Great video , thanks for sharing .
Can you unscrew a double flare connection (for some reason) then put it back together. Will the join be as good as the original ?
I never understood why compression fittings are advertised and sold as brake repair kits yet the packaging itself says not for use on brakes.
Is there a good flaring tool that you could recommend as all my flaring tools don't have the power to bubble it but pushes it out at the bottom AND yes I tighten all the way..
I've got breaklines on my 88 rx7 that are rusted together, thanks for the tutorial!
I used to have an 87 rx7. Cool cars. Thanks for watching
I like the example of compression fittings, although kind of long. I would recommend a video showing why not to use compression fittings on brake lines under 1,000-4,000 lbs of pressure. Start the engine with fittings in place and let power assist build up pressure and then slam on brake pedal to show force not holding pieces together.Thanks for the whole explanation.
Hey man I just found your channel tonight and I just want you to know I really appreciate your videos and your hard work you really helping guys like me out I just bought a 2002 Pontiac Bonneville SSEI and even though it’s not a W body I’m sure a lot of this information is still applicable to my vehicle. Actually I’d like to ask you if your window regulator video on your 1997 GTP would be applicable to my rear window regulators on my 2002 SSEI because of course I have the same exact issue. Thank you for all of your help And I will continue to promote your channel from a friend and viewer from the greater north aka rust belt aka Michigan.
Thank you, that means a lot to me. The window reg. Should be pretty similar, there may be a few small differences, but should be really close.
I have yet to find a compression fitting that I could take off the lie and slip the ferrule off. That said, I always thought that brakes needed to be flared which sucks because now I need to go get a small flaring tool…lol
Thanks I will try this.
Thank you for the lesson clear as mud
Dont worry i will give you your money back
I own a flare tool but I have never I repeat while knocking on wood never have had a compression fitting fail and I have used about 20 and I usually torque them hard enough that you can not pull the copper ring off once installed i usually only use the copper ring over the old line after cleaning it well and connect it to the new factory flaired line
Chris fix had some rough early videos too. Thanks for the information.
You're absolutely right. You don't half ass your brakes in any way.
Thank you so much brother, you solve my problem and some 💰 great video.
Glad it helped
The brake line flaring kits they loan at Autozone, O'Reilly's, and NAPA (same as the one in this vid) are not for steel lines, so if your car has steel lines, you will have to use a different flaring tool.
Great video Salem!
Question. I need to repair rear brake lines and of course I'm going to use flare/union fittings. They will be a patches in the middle of the 2 rear brake circuits. 3/16 inch lines. I'm using the copper alloy line. Why would I use bubble flares vs. double inverted vs whatever else. Also, many of the couplers (union) fitting seem to reduce the size. In other words, the passage way in the union is a smaller circumference that the circumference of the brake line itself. How much will this matter?
Any advice would help. thanks!
The type of flare doesnt matter, just match it to your unions. And that small diameter diff. Wont hurt anything
I say if your going to go threw all that what you have shown its best just to replace the entire line from front to back
So a connector like you showed is better than using compression fittings like gator grabbers right?
If you can take the ferrule ring off of a piece of pipe that it was attached to, the compression fitting wasn't used properly. If tightened properly the ferrule will indent itself into the pipe and be impossible to remove... or slip. The reason that they are illegal is that most people don't know how to properly attach them. And I agree with that.
Thank you!
What is the best brake line material for brakes?
Do you prefer steel or copper or?
The metal lines? Steel is strongest.
Although I understand you're talking about brass compression fittings they do in fact make stainless steel with a higher pressure rating than brass that will hold up. 👌
Great video!
Thanks
Have you ever has a metal brake line have play in it causing a front end clicking noise. And if so what can you do to repair it or do you have to replace?
A metal line with "play"? How do you mean?
So i bought a new brake line for my 2000 chevy blazer but the brake line flare is too big for the new line attachment... Did i just get the wrong part which it doesn't look like I did or do I need to refare it with a new attachment for the new brake line?
If its a factory part i would expect it to fit. Maybe re check to make sure its right
love the shirt bro lol
Thanks!
Ty for the education!
Thank you for watching
Salem... Have a question about a 2000 Buick Regal that has antilock and traction control issues. Is there an easy way to replace the abs module and get it bled so that everything works as it should.... The only other videos I see all require a high end scan tool. Thanks for all your videos..
You need the tool to do an abs bleed after replaceing the module.. not really a way around that
Your car? Flare that end.
Wife's car? Compression is your friend.
Lol
My understanding all along has been that using a compression union for brake lines is unacceptable, dangerous, and even illegal in many states. Hence, using a doubled flared brake line is the best method to use. Nonetheless, would a high pressure compression union rated for 5,000 psi (Dorman part # 800-202) be perfectly safe and acceptable to use? Thank you!
As far as being legal or not I have no idea and I assume that he is 100% correct about that but almost every else he said about compression fitting is NOT correct. I worked for a testing company for 41 years and we tested compression verses flare fitting. Installed correctly there just as good as flare. These tests were performed with the same pressure on both types of fittings while exposing them to vibration testing. The problem is compression fitting can be under tightened and even worse over tightened. So proper tightening is absolutely critical. An under tightened flare will leak and its hard to over tighten without breaking it.
If you heat a steel line with a torch would that help in not splitting the flare? Seems like it should?
Maybe. But you would want to be really carefull doing that. Would be easy to overheat it
What about the steel D.O.T approved compression fittings?
I havent seen dot aproved ones. But if they are then i suppose you could use them. But flareing and creating a removable union is still,in my opinion, just as easy and better in the long run.
You rock dude
I’d love to buy hoodie and a couple shirts off yours too But I see you have it for regal GS. Can you get one for Bonneville SSEi??
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Dorman - OE Solutions High Pressure Steel Compression Union Rated For 5000 PSI
Hey that's good to know, have you ever seen them in local parts stores?
@@megaman4201 Dorman instructions says DO Not use on braking systems
Steel compression holds just as good as the flares. The tubing will snap apart before the steel compression coupling will ever give away. One person has dimenstrated that and proved that the steel compression couplings are stronger then the tubing itself so your facts are totally wrong unless you're talking about the brass compression fittings in particular, the brass is a softer metal and not as strong. You can get the steel ones on Amazon
where do you guys get the new tube
Any parts store
Thank you.
of the subject. im curious to know.. whats the name of the metal band you have playing in the background? id like to know. sounds pretty sick. thanks
It was all just free youtube music
@@SalemDoyle thats cool. thanks for replying
access for good tools for this have gotten cheap and readily available. A great choice (better choice) is available at amazon as the "Titan double flaring tool" cant recall exactly but I thingk about 35.00 dollars. I don't know if its available in all sizeds but it was available in 3/16 for my toyota tacoma.. Beats THE HELL out of the double wing nut style, not expensive, and can function in very confined areas. I've used both, I have no vested interest but in trying to help out.Take it for what its worth, but the amazon reviews will back me iup.
Of Houston pressure fittings on brake lines before never had a problem get them good and tight it does deformed the metal and you cannot remove the feral if you take it apart if you can remove the feral you haven't tightened it enough. That being said if you don't have experience with compression fittings you probably shouldn't try to use it on a brake line. I've been doing it for 30+ years and never had a problem
i had this done 3 times bro ... not sure if im using compression fittings but i do know i bought new lines but did fittings based on how much the mechanic had in his mind he needed to cut
+Lebron James since it was a shop, it should be ok. They should k ow how to do it with the correct fittings
@@SalemDoyle ok thank u got worried I can always take pics all around so u can see what I been doing
100% agree!
OUTSTANDING delivery, just get better lighting and a new camera-man . Thanks for stopping me from using a rubber hose and hose clamps, especially with a full size chevy express 3500 which weighs about a million pounds 😮
Compression fittings were meant for copper lines. never steel brake lines. That's why the lil barrels won't bite into the line. Good video and good info.
Thanks
When I worked at Parker hydraulic fluid division..we had conducted a pressure test....steel line with a copper compression fitting.......250000 psi the line bursted....the compression fitting was like new
@@mikesecondo2254 regular copper compression fittings on a steel line?
@@bstceltics4 yep...works up to 5k p.s.i
@@mikesecondo2254 Let me know where I can find a 'copper' Parker compression fitting, ha ha.
Well I definitely wasn't confident doing break lines but now it doesn't seem to bad
Its not. Just take your time
I have a question about the master cylinder i have a 2008 grand Prix for what a i see most have two brake lines the one i have has 4
Yours must not have abs
@@SalemDoyle ooo so thats why thanks
Don't you prefer to dip your tool in brake fluid to get a smother flare?
I dont personally, and my flares tern out great. I also hate brake fluid so i prefure to keep it off my tools
Excuse me I have some issues with my ABS module in my 95 buick riviera supercharged and I need some advice about repair or replacement ABS module? Thank you in advance sir
What info do you need?
@@SalemDoyle How can I test the old one or where I can find one for replacement?
The. Ar tests it, you should have a abs light on if its bad with codes pointing to it.
I got 4 codes in it and I want to know if the part needs to be reprogrammed or just has to be the part number if I can find one?
@@homeroaguilar6163 what codes did you get?
good info
Thanks
My question though it’s easier to do the full line because how am I going to do all this under a car?with only 2,3 ft of space?
You can pull the line down some usually to get more space
Your right DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME!!!!!!!!
use copper bi metal lines. makes bending and flaring 10x easier
True. I like that stuff
How do you manage to do all that while under the drivers side rear door?
Pull the line down some. It will be tight, but doable.
Salem how can I get air out of my abs pump . I disconnected the lines to replace AC hoses. Now my brake pedal is on the floor.
If you cant get it out doing a bleed of the whole system, you may need an abs bleed wich requires an oem scan tool
@@SalemDoyle uuuuggh I was afraid of this that. Which I need one anyway. Thanks for all the help when I have questions. Did you ever decide which route to take on your coilovers situation?
Not yet
Where can I find the union and related parts?
Auto parts stores carry them, also lots of places online
I've used compression fittings to fix my brakes multiple times and it hasn't failed me yet. You'll only loose either front or rear not all. Simply put brakes are overrated
10:13 I have been searching far and wide to see just these 30 seconds that shows how the connectors work!
Hey I hope you reply, when Im turning the little Aframe its so hard, should it b?, (a chick) here.
If you are crimping steel line it will be a nit hard, yes. You could take a small socket and extension to fit over the arm for more leverage if you need to.
Salem, back ground music a distraction; camera was out of focus the first part of Flare kit demonstration. Enjoyed the content.
Thanks. This is an older video. I like to think the newer ones are better. May re do this one at some point.
the evil flare tool ;) Everytime I use one I split the line
Go slower
i have a honda odysessy with a hole in the power steering line,but it's a pain to get too.
That line should be available as a whole piece
68 chevy rear brakeline under front window ( drain) pitted leak for sure replaced a length with double flair I HIGHLY HIGHLY RECOMEND NICKEL COPPER LINE OTHERWISE JUST TO HARD TO FLAIR DAMN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A GOOD FIT STAINLESS IS JUST NOT WORKABLE I'M 72 BEEN THERE DONE THAT CHOW& GOOD MOTORING
I bought a hydraulic clutch line And it doesn't look the same size inside as what came in from the factory and of course it leaks and then it scratched the end of my hard line
Yeah, sounds like it wasnt the right part.
I honestly cant say that I've ever been able to pull (slide) a ferrule (copper ball) off of any type of line that I've ever put one on.without either cutting the ferrule or the tube or pipe it was imbeded itno (not a friction fit) to get it off. A friction fitting could not be pulled apart by hand. Also a ferrule on a compression fitting would generaly be brass, not copper. A brass compresion fitting is capable of as much as 3000 psi. Brake pressure test guages only read as high as 1500-2000 psi. Its more of a vibration issue leading to a fractured line do to lack of support at the compression repair. An unsupported flair fitting could do the same thing over time. Hence the double flair and so on. Thats why all brake line connection points are solid mounts. Let me put a brass compression fitting on a steel line and lets see you slide the nut and ferrule off with your hands.
great details and info. However for such a serious project I would use better video equipment and lighting to show the flare inside the coupler etc. Thank you though!!
At the time when I made the video I only had access to what equipment I had access to, unfortunately that was the best I could do at the time
My dash indicators brake light is still going off, but I'm no longer losing fluid. Whats going on??
Could be fluid level, parking brake switch or the level switch at the mastercylinder could be stuck
@@SalemDoyle fluid level is good, emergency brake hasn't worked in years. I'm taking it to the shop, hoping it's just a sensor. My fingers are crossed. Thank you for the tips!
No problem. Good luck
Great video Doyle. Very very professional presentation and production. If I didn't know better you got a team of professionals helping you from the local TV station. So great job.
Lol.. thats kindov funny. Nope its just me.
Slow down ther is no rush someone that never did this before will screw it up you should have told them to look for cracks usually a guy is not going to get it his first attempt he should or she practice with some spare line practice makes perfect you have to explain about cracks you have to inspect the flare for cracks
Good point, i am used to working fast. Pinned this comment as a note on the cracks.
Thank you
And we need to do this up under the truck I assume
Do you want need to bleed the breaks after ? I’m assuming that’s a 10-4
While practicing my own flaring I went through about a dozen and a half tries before I got it down- primarily the ISO flares. The double flares were pretty straight-forward. Also, it helps to own the right flaring tool! I first tried ISO flaring with a Harbor Freight flaring kit, and it produced the (pretty much) entirety of my first flares' failed attempts at any successful, confident flares. I then ordered one from online and it was the correct one. So again, it helps to have to right tool. I think I was also concerned about crushing the tubing while tightening the tubing holder down enough to where the tube wouldn't creep backwards out of the holder when bringing in the flaring adapter onto the tube end.
Thanks for the video, you explained to every details, but please change music back ground if you can, very annoying. Thank you.
Thers stores that won’t sell to you if they know your using on brake lines I think Napa is one of them
Yes the compression fittings say on the package no brake lines. Some stores wont sell them for that reason.
Obviously you have never used them for water line when you use a compression fitting it actually compresses the feral down and it reforms the pipe and you cannot get it off. So if you have installed a compression fitting on the thr feral can come off when you take it apart then it was not installed correctly
Sorry but they do not hold up to the massive pressure of brake hydraulic lines which is why you should not use them and will not pass inspection. Enough pressure and Poof, this can't happen on double flare do to it being captured under the nut. Use if you like but I wouldn't nor would I want my family in a vehicle with them.
I'm assuming this isn't possible to patch the line, finding to good pieces of line?
All the flairing tools won't fit in tight spots
You usually have to pull the line down some to make space
I have to use the vice... otherwise I can't tighten the tool. 🤔