Hi Gen, I’m playing KGPA for the 1st time this afternoon. Thanks for posting the course layout. I struggled to watch because I was pissed at the gender discrimination. Even though you are a professional player, ANYONE should be able to play off of any tee in my opinion. Thanks for pressing this issue and changing the policy. You are a true pioneer.
"I know for a fact that this is something I can rely on - I know that I can hit that draw shot." - said none of the people complaining about you teeing off from the blues.
The person who complained is ridiculous. Probably some guy whose ego was hurt by the fact that you could play him off the blue tees and still destroy him by 20 strokes.
You should be able to play from any tee you like. I guess those who complained must be jealous of your game. Like you, I can’t believe these attitudes still exist. No wonder many are put off playing golf. Keep it up Gen, great video.
100%. I'm around there, I'll never play the longest tees and if it's wet, or I just fancy something different, I'm fine on the short ones. I get the odd comment. I feel for the casual golfers who don't even know they can play off the short tees and would have a much better experience if they did.
Don't forget about PGA TOUR Slow ass routines only to duff it 2-4 times... on a PAR 3! It's so frustrating these idiots going to the tips and barely carrying the forward tees, exactly the reason why we have 5-6 hours rounds now!
@@iLovettGolf You are a golf snob if you think people who can't play scratch golf should hit from the forward tees, the whole point of golf is that players with different handicaps can play together, it wouldn't be very sociable if I played with better players of the same gender and we all played from different tees
@@iLovettGolf It's funny, in one sense,how we are willing to give or take a shot in a hole without it bothering our pride, but would be insulted if someone offered us a shorter tee instead of a shot.
My 1st time watching your videos, and I can't believe someone complained about which tees you were hitting from. It's absurd! Great video. Your commentary is insightful and interesting. Keep up the great work.
I've seen some evidence of some older folks actually getting mad just because it's a female in front of them. They actually see it as a men's game and will mock women in a way that they would never address a man for fear of getting their chin cracked. That makes me really mad.
Bernard Shuford I actually was playing with a young college girl we kept pace with the group in front of us. Actually had to wait on them, some old man behind us came up to us screaming that we hadn’t tee off yet. He absolutely belligerent and hateful. It was awful.
Gen your videos on CZcams and insta are awesome. You have such an awesome swing and I love copying your training tips. But most of all your bubbly smiling personality keeps us coming back. Big fan from Australia, keep up the great work
Nice video. The "tee box fuss" is so illustrative of medieval mindsets in some golf clubs. I happen to play regularly with my pro for on-course training and she plays as well (makes the experience more friendly). Once we were playing with 2 guys who did not know she was a pro. I still laugh when I remember their expressions after she hit her first drive and a couple of irons.
Don't go back to that course, it's just ridiculous. I could understand if she was an amateur who hits drives like 170 yards, but she is a pro golfer...
@@UnknownMoses The point was that they assumed she didn't hit the ball far enough to be playing from the back tees. Also yes length matters because the farther you are from the whole after your tee shot the harder it is to make a par. That is why the better you are the farther back you tee from.
I’m glad you talked about the gender issue. I think there should be the option for women to play wherever the men’s tee is. In fact, if women want to compete against men then why dang not. Good on ya!
Gen, thank you for not letting that incident of ignorance not stop you from playing a good round & for speaking up for your rights & that of other lady pros. You made a difference for all of them. Congrats I believe the LPGA Pros are under paid & under estimated. You have a new fan.
I think some people were jealous that you were playing better than they were so they had nothing better to do but to report you. Love the content. Keep it coming thank you thank you
I love your positive attitude during the rounds. Most people would have let that get to them. So glad you used that to practice short pitch shots. That very same thing happen to me when I was told to play from the white tee. After 12 holes, one of the members came up to me and said “I have never seen anyone hit all the fairway and green in regulation before”. I laughed and used that to practice my short game as I told him, I usually play from the blue tee. It was a short course, but staying calm help. Love this video
Tempo, target, and commit great advise. I'm a 10 hcp, and if I saw your practice swing I would shut up and sit down. Glad you stood up for yourself. Come to Australia you would be very welcome to play off any tee
KGPA, a buddy brought her wife there for a round, wasn't allowed to tee off because wife wearing sleeveless. Had to go to the pro shop and buy a 'proper' shirt in order to be allowed to tee off. So ladies be warned..
Such a great message at the end there Gen. Don’t let those losers bother you. They’re probably jealous and not even half the player you are. Keep doing your thing. You’re an inspiration.... I like your trainers too!!😉🤙🏻
Nice videos! Glad you followed up and had them change their policy regarding women hitting from blues. If women need to show handicaps to hit from blues, so should men! Also, I’ve noticed that you prefer to hit a 50 yd 3rd shot vs. a full club on long par 5s. Can you comment on a future video about pros and cons for you on this strategy?
I like what you said on the 3rd hole - it's all about tempo - no more guiding, no more controlling. I find a free swing gives me best results also (when I can do it). Keep up the vlogs - thoroughly enjoying your channel!
Must play off the red tees? Absolute sexist BS. I"m embarrassed that I'm a man and some man told you that. Plus I've seen terrible male players try to hit off the back tees, holding others up for some egotistical reasons. You GO girl!
another nice vlog Gen! good they make the decision that from now on you can play from every tee box you want, but that should not only be for lady pro golfers but for all lady golfers. it's 2020 not 1920
Loved it, Every Golf Course seems to have a busy body that has to complain about something. I’ve learnt to block it out especially when it’s aimed at beginners that need time to learn the etiquette of Golf as we all have to start somewhere
Thanks for that. Bring up this stupid rule with your club. Show then this video and do what needed to make a change. Now women with Pro cards can play any tee box it was told but there are amateur women that kick butts of these stupid machista members.
@@Divedown_25 Govt "masters" and ex-Govt "masters" running the club.. now worse with "ultra Islamics" in the mix.. if they can, they will bar ladies altogether... nevermind red Tees
Congratulations on making a difference! Discrimination in any form is wrong, and I am impressed with how well you handled it. Even more impressed you did not give up and helped pave the way for the next woman pro that plays there. Looking forward to the time when any person can play any tee they want. Only restriction on a tee box should be skill and time of play; certainly not sex. You have a new subscriber!
And Gen as to your play on the course, I really enjoyed watching as you are pretty close in distance to this older man, but way more accurate and yet not being a regular, you fell victim to the same challenges, most specifically on the hills course. Most of the holes are weirdly elevated in such a way that they are a half, full or even sometimes two clubs more than the yardage suggests for the approach shots to the greens or par threes. Perfect examples as you erred on the par 5 6th and the par 3 8th. Also most of the greens have a very strong grain, primarily running back to front of green, thus your chip shots coming up short. Can be a nightmare chipping from back of greens. So a lot of nuance to manage, and yet a great challenge always! Scoring 36 points + on Hills and lakes is a great score! Love your video's!
Hi gen...kgpas members loved to complaint. ....as usual.... government pensioners..... always thought that they are still on top of the world.....but thx gen....u guide me to better game....love you.....maybe we will have a game at bukit unggul someday
Watched your videos here and again when they would pop up in my feed. After the nonsense you had to go through I’m subscribed. Well wishes on your journey. Hope you make it big!
Admirable that you contined to play the level of golf most of us aspire to in the face of such small mindedness and outdated attitudes. Good luck to you
I’m glad to hear they changed that rule. Actually I think all people should play their skill level. When I started my son off at 3 years old, he played from 50 yards out. He’s now 11 and play from the lady tees. He’s been hitting since 9 months, but I wouldn’t let him on the course until he was able to control his ball. Some people egos are so big they complain about the stupidest things. Keep working hard.
Great to watch and good to listen to! If I may, you strike the ball beautifully. Many guys could learn a lot by watching girls hitting the ball well instead of watching Rory, Dustin et al where the swing speeds are just of another world. Thanks for sharing, and great save on the first hole! 🙂👍🙏⛳️🏌️♀️🥂
I'm Irish and 42. I've lived in Australia, Singapore, now in America and I have played golf for over 30yrs to a good level (currently off 5). While in Singapore I experienced a few outdated incidents that were people trying to flex some superiority complex that as a guest of the country I had to suck up. Please don't be dishearten; this doesn't exist in most places and as a man, I apologise and hope we as a gender improve our behavior ever day to match the level of grace of our ladies. What tees a person plays from is no one else's business and only semi-related to how far a person can hit the ball or how much punishment they want for that day. You are a fine player and I hope during a round you can block distractions out of your mind like the greats of this game but once the round is over don't be afraid to stand up for your opinions. Best of luck with your channel
I'm sorry to inform you this happens everywhere STILL. In the US, one of my friends that I play with constantly gets told to switch to Red tees even though she's better than me. You'd think having an official scratch handicap or better would make it obvious you could play from any tee and it's even worse for mid-handicappers like her. Most courses in my area only have handicap ratings for women from the red tees so you cant even properly post a score from non-red tees to get a handicap if you are a woman.
Sad but true. Fortunately when I was in the US, I never experienced this (but also probably because I carried a college golf bag so they knew I could at least play). I hope you and your friend keep fighting the good fight 💪🏼
The sad thing is that your dad or anyone else didn’t even tell the course you were a pga pro... just wait when they see you on your! Keep up the great work, you’re amazing!
Thanks for your transparencies in this video and for your positive attitude and comments about the complaint against you. Very mature of you to turn lemons into delicious lemonaide. Couple takes I’d like to mention. First, splitting the tee boxes in the foursome would, in my opinion, slow your group’s play more than if you all teed from the same tee box. So pace of play should not cause a person to complain about the tees you used. Second, it was good that the course amended their rules for carded pros. The course could do nothing but enforce their regulations that existed at the time and while absurd, they had to do what they did. Commending them for acting fast and fairly with the revised rule. Hopefully the complainer is happy too. Very nice course and thanks for the tips. ⛳️
Okay, I think I understand. The tempo is not only something confined to the few second before a shot, it is an attitude that you should carry throughout the round. I might dare to say even before you step onto the course.
Good that you can play from any tees at TPC :) keep up the good work with the videos. Youth is often confronted to antiquated thinking, more over for young women.
Gen, I have learned so much from your sessions! Talking thru the course is great, your swing is so very smooth, and your attitude perfect. Glad they course saw the light, you play from anywhere you want! :)
Living in San Antonio TX and walking on to any course you always have a chance to play with different people. The times I have had the best time is playing with women who are either building their knowledge of the game or better than me and killing it on the course. Total crap this course felt the need to keep you from playing blues because clearly you have the talent, but I have to assume it is a different culture you are dealing with there. Your attitude about it is admirable!
@@GenevieveLingGolf Our U.K. golf club has got men’s tees measured for ladies so they have their own slope index. Totally unrequired comment from that golf club! We want more people to play golf!
Your attitude and golf game couldn't be more wonderful! People should play within their own group not worry about what is occurring ahead or behind them. It sickens me that women are still treated as less-than when in truth your golf skill is more-than most! Me and my friends would welcome you in our group anytime and would appreciate you as the wonderful person and golfer that you are.
So glad I found your channel. I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks. I guess the mental toughness of a tour pro is just different than the average person if you can stay so calm after such an discriminatory situation. Love your videos.
High or No Handicap Tee, Mid Handicap Tee, Low Handicap Tee, then rate the handicap tee grouping for male and female separately. Then if a low handicapper wants to play on either of the other tees, its their choice. It would also give players with higher handicaps something to aim for. Gen your Vlogs are the best on youtube by a mile, always learn loads of info and nuggets which I can add to my game.
Hello Gen, I appreciate that you shared this with us. I believe this rule says more about poor organizational management than it is about gender bias. When rules are made, gross generalities are used to establish by-laws and protocols. My guess is that a board member complained and the staff had little choice over this tyrannical beast who was somehow vested in this stupid rule. As a management consultant, I have worked for over 15 years to convince leaders not to rely on exceptions to ensure fairness. While having management making regular exceptions to silly rules works most of the time, it puts organizational staff at great disadvantage; they can be fired or penalized for making the right decision at the wrong time. This approach is reckless and we see it in government too. They ask management/staff to make judgement calls that put them at risk of losing the very role they are placed in. In the end, it politicizes every single management decision. Crazy. So how could this be fixed, such that the impression of systemic bigotry, racism, etc. is not given, when in fact it was likely lazy short-sightedness that led to the rule. While your readers may feel I am making excuses for such obvious gender bias, I am speaking from experience. I have seen many inclusive organizations put in place similar rules ... not even realizing that gender based rules lead to gender bias. Similarly, age based rules lead to ageist bias. Still, you are unlikely to see performance-based metrics as handicap or pace of play require effort on their part to track; albeit the correct way to solve the problem. Everyone experiences bias. It is how we respond that matters. And you handled it perfectly. For my personal example, I offer the following. At 11 years old, I was playing to a single digit handicap. Still, club rules would not allow me to tee it up with my father's morning group because I was too young (not of driving age 16 years old). Probably a good generalization, but only one of the 16 guys cared about me joining them week after week. So once the complaint was filed, I could no longer play with this group of seniors whose average handicap was likely 28! No worries, more time with better players as the skilled players who waited for the 11am loll welcomed me into their group. Although I lost more money playing skins with them, I did learn a great deal. I write this to encourage persons not to see this as 'systemic bias', which of course it is .... superficially. Rather look at this as a weakness of 'rule-based authoritarianism'. 'Rule of Law' is clumsy at best and tyrannical at worst. Instead, guidelines and themes should be offered to management/staff and they provided the responsibility and authority to run things as they should be run. A focus on the individual and not the collective should be the norm, but we will not see this so long as lawyers are asked to compose the protocols by which organizations operate.
Yup - and at least all long holes (par 4 and 5) should have at least 5 or even 6 tee boxes in order to seperate the players (male OR female) according to the handicap classes (very high handicappers in the front and the single digits at the very back). Imagine how frustrating it must be for a woman with single digit handicap always playing from the same front one or two blocks... On the other hand, how frustrating it is for a male beginner having to tee off from the blocks further back and hitting it just 100m or 100y - doesn't help with the frustration level for the round...
@@gasty_vom_asty Isn't it odd, why don't men start off from the most forward tees too? Probably because they have been termed as "ladies tees" but golf would be so much more enjoyable if beginners (men or women) could start off from the front tees
i could not agree more i as a 23.7 handicap old golfer would not stand a chance in hell against a lady single figure golfer playing from the forward tees it should be me from the forward tees not the lady
Yes! Then it gives you another reason to be determined to get better as you could feel like you are being promoted by earning the right to play on the further back tees. I would be permanently on the reds :)
I can't believe they forced you to tee off from red. What terrible management. An embarrassment for the course. Keep being awesome Gen, you're amazing!
I learned so much from this video simply because I've played there so many times. I've wrote them down so that I'll remember to do them the next time I tee it up. Keep up the good work Gen!
Glad there was a positive ending to the out-of-date practices of limiting women to specific tees. Golf is hard, you love the game, you have great potential and you are a Tour player. Much respect for your abilities.
You are SOOO adorable and you sound and speak like my BFF - an ethnic Chinese from Indonesia. I watch and listen to you and am so envious of your course management and golf IQ. Keep up the good work, Gen! I’ll learning so much from you!...❤️👍👍
It's incredibly cute when you clean the wedge with the tips of your shoes before you hit it. But seriously: Thank you very much for your videos, from which I learn so much about tactics and technique!
You were playing right in front of my flight at that time. And it seemed that i know your flightmates quite well. We were so shocked to know that somebody was complaining on you which for us doesnt make any sense. It's good that you show it to the whole world how low mentality the person who made the complaint. It's been a pleasure even to play behind your flight anyway.
KGPA is a beautiful course - so many beautiful golf courses in Malaysia! Gen has a great swing - what a gift it is to have a swing that is so mechanically sound. Good to see that Gen was able to change the absurd rule that all women have to play the red tees, but she'll have to remember to bring her certified PGA card.
This may be the case at a country club. I would just talk with management before you play so they know your a tour player. That way if anyone complains they can tell them your better than they are and to mind their own business. I know at a public course, as long as pace of play is fine it shouldn't matter. My first time watching and loved the video. Thanks!
Sorry to hear that you have been told to play from the red. I always thought that tee-boxes should be played base on your handicap. Anyway, I loved to see you play, even a Gen from 2 years ago 😀💛
When I was a caddy in my teens at a club in Rhode Island, Thursday was Ladies Day. Plus on weekends, Ladies couldn't play until after 1 p.m. But then that was back in the '60's. I thought we had moved on.
Hey you played at my club! KGPA does have many uptight members. Sorry to hear of your bad experience. The greens indeed do not break as much there. Anyway nice to see how a pro would play the course. Keep up the good job!
This course should be hung out in the social media for this so the club realizes that what they did was embarrassing. And no-one should go and play there. No idea if they need the money from green fees.
Gen handled the situation like a champ! The management should be reminded of the evolution of membership at the most exclusive courses such as Augusta National. Progress and grow the game or get left behind and forgotten.
Hi Gen, just watched your back nine and listened to your comments, so positive and considerate to KGPA, honestly, they don't deserve. The fact that they will allow women with a pro card to play any teebox from now on is still pretty pathetic. What about top amateur women and above 24 handicap or even 36 handicap men. I feel you were still being nice with your comments on the distance difference women and mens teebox and as such don't agree with your comments about minimal differences between mens blue and womens red tee boxes. Difference is minimum 20 metres, maximum 110 metres, as in massive. Even between mens blue and mens white. Anyway, I get your consideration appreciate your closing comments about golf being about a loving and caring community. You are a wonderful ambassador for the game, thank you!
Some people are so rude and stupid,instead of complaining about somebody else they should mind their own business and concentrate on their own game. I’d tell them where to shove their outdated rules and their fancy golf club. Never let anyone tell you that you can’t just because you’re a girl. Golf is for everyone,would they be ok with somebody treating a woman in their family like that? Keep grinding girl you’re an awesome player👏
After hearing about gender discrimination, I would NEVER want to play there ever. This stuff needs to be voiced. And people need to be informed that this sort of discrimination still exists. If anything tee boxes should be based on handicap, not sex.
Great 👍 video Gen..love it 😀.(Thanks for sharing your story of what you went through, totally ridiculous but important to know what happens in the real world. )
First time watching your videos and I am shocked at what happened to you on this course. I would have had a tough time finishing my round there and definitely would not be returning. Good for you for sticking it out....absolutely ridiculous what you were subject to in my opinion
That’s insane on the tee thing. Mad how the complaint a) was filed and b) the fact they were able to get the message to you to formally ask to play off the reds. Your playing partners should have complained you now had an advantage 😂😂😂
Genevieve Ling my 7yr old daughter is called genevieve and likes to play golf (just range/pitch putts at the mo) but I’m going to use your channel with her name to try and inspire 😜👌👍
Gen, by playing from the tips, the only thing you were doing to anyone was bruising some egos. It's disgusting that you were treated that way, but hey, somebody else's problem shouldn't affect your game. Love these videos so keep it up. Thank you!!!
As a newcomer to golf thats so messed up they treated you like that. I'd step up in a second and let you tee off from the tips if you were playing with my group. You're a boss!
Hi Gen, I’m playing KGPA for the 1st time this afternoon. Thanks for posting the course layout. I struggled to watch because I was pissed at the gender discrimination. Even though you are a professional player, ANYONE should be able to play off of any tee in my opinion. Thanks for pressing this issue and changing the policy. You are a true pioneer.
Gen, I love that what happened didn’t adversely affect you. You continued to play, and play well. Keep up the great work👍
if you don't let them get to you..they have no power over you. Thanks for your support 😄
@@GenevieveLingGolf they were just upset that you were better than them and making them look bad from the same tee box
"I know for a fact that this is something I can rely on - I know that I can hit that draw shot." - said none of the people complaining about you teeing off from the blues.
Very funny.
The person who complained is ridiculous. Probably some guy whose ego was hurt by the fact that you could play him off the blue tees and still destroy him by 20 strokes.
Thank you. You nailed it.
Challenge them to a round for $5k. I bet they will sink quietly into the night.
make it 25k, i will back her.
You should be able to play from any tee you like. I guess those who complained must be jealous of your game. Like you, I can’t believe these attitudes still exist. No wonder many are put off playing golf. Keep it up Gen, great video.
I wish I could complain about all the men hacks with a 20 handicap hitting from the tips.
i feel ya.. best part is, those are probably the kind of people complaining (based on experience)
100%. I'm around there, I'll never play the longest tees and if it's wet, or I just fancy something different, I'm fine on the short ones. I get the odd comment. I feel for the casual golfers who don't even know they can play off the short tees and would have a much better experience if they did.
Don't forget about PGA TOUR Slow ass routines only to duff it 2-4 times... on a PAR 3! It's so frustrating these idiots going to the tips and barely carrying the forward tees, exactly the reason why we have 5-6 hours rounds now!
@@iLovettGolf You are a golf snob if you think people who can't play scratch golf should hit from the forward tees, the whole point of golf is that players with different handicaps can play together, it wouldn't be very sociable if I played with better players of the same gender and we all played from different tees
@@iLovettGolf It's funny, in one sense,how we are willing to give or take a shot in a hole without it bothering our pride, but would be insulted if someone offered us a shorter tee instead of a shot.
The positive vibes I get from you are so nice. Thanks for being like that!
thank YOU! 😄
Stupid rule Gen. Lots of guys I know SHOULD play the forward tees because they aren’t good. Great video! Keep doing your thing.
My 1st time watching your videos, and I can't believe someone complained about which tees you were hitting from. It's absurd! Great video. Your commentary is insightful and interesting. Keep up the great work.
Cancer of this game... Embittered entitled people. Keep with the good work gen!
Agreed playa
I've seen some evidence of some older folks actually getting mad just because it's a female in front of them. They actually see it as a men's game and will mock women in a way that they would never address a man for fear of getting their chin cracked. That makes me really mad.
Bernard Shuford I actually was playing with a young college girl we kept pace with the group in front of us. Actually had to wait on them, some old man behind us came up to us screaming that we hadn’t tee off yet. He absolutely belligerent and hateful. It was awful.
@@nards656 please go back to only fans and white knighting girls on twitch that you donate your paycheck to monthly redditor
@@box294
What in the blue fk are you babbling about?
Gen your videos on CZcams and insta are awesome. You have such an awesome swing and I love copying your training tips. But most of all your bubbly smiling personality keeps us coming back. Big fan from Australia, keep up the great work
Nice video. The "tee box fuss" is so illustrative of medieval mindsets in some golf clubs. I happen to play regularly with my pro for on-course training and she plays as well (makes the experience more friendly). Once we were playing with 2 guys who did not know she was a pro. I still laugh when I remember their expressions after she hit her first drive and a couple of irons.
watching this year-old video makes it easy to see how much your game has improved in the last twelve months, well done
Shameful practice requiring women to hit only from the red tees. Wow! Time to join the 21st century.
Don't go back to that course, it's just ridiculous. I could understand if she was an amateur who hits drives like 170 yards, but she is a pro golfer...
@@cobra7282 How far you hit a drive should not matter if you are near par
@@UnknownMoses The point was that they assumed she didn't hit the ball far enough to be playing from the back tees. Also yes length matters because the farther you are from the whole after your tee shot the harder it is to make a par. That is why the better you are the farther back you tee from.
I’m glad you talked about the gender issue. I think there should be the option for women to play wherever the men’s tee is. In fact, if women want to compete against men then why dang not. Good on ya!
Gen, thank you for not letting that incident of ignorance not stop you from playing a good round & for speaking up for your rights & that of other lady pros. You made a difference for all of them. Congrats
I believe the LPGA Pros are under paid & under estimated.
You have a new fan.
Thank you!! 🙌🏼
Baffling is right...country clubs members can feel so entitled sometimes. love the way you handled the situation though, touch of class
Wow, that's crazy how that's still happening in 2020. Did any of your playing partners speak up and say "She's better than all of us!" Lol
Thyey wouldn't... very typical of mousy malaysians who scream and shout at "people below them" but bow heads when faced with any form of "authority"
@@hclau218
How incredibly racist.
Nice job.
@@TheBatugan77 Racist? Really? Counter my statement instead of screaming a label.
I think some people were jealous that you were playing better than they were so they had nothing better to do but to report you. Love the content. Keep it coming thank you thank you
I love your positive attitude during the rounds. Most people would have let that get to them. So glad you used that to practice short pitch shots. That very same thing happen to me when I was told to play from the white tee. After 12 holes, one of the members came up to me and said “I have never seen anyone hit all the fairway and green in regulation before”. I laughed and used that to practice my short game as I told him, I usually play from the blue tee. It was a short course, but staying calm help. Love this video
Tempo, target, and commit great advise. I'm a 10 hcp, and if I saw your practice swing I would shut up and sit down. Glad you stood up for yourself. Come to Australia you would be very welcome to play off any tee
KGPA, a buddy brought her wife there for a round, wasn't allowed to tee off because wife wearing sleeveless. Had to go to the pro shop and buy a 'proper' shirt in order to be allowed to tee off. So ladies be warned..
Such a great message at the end there Gen. Don’t let those losers bother you. They’re probably jealous and not even half the player you are. Keep doing your thing. You’re an inspiration.... I like your trainers too!!😉🤙🏻
Nice videos! Glad you followed up and had them change their policy regarding women hitting from blues. If women need to show handicaps to hit from blues, so should men! Also, I’ve noticed that you prefer to hit a 50 yd 3rd shot vs. a full club on long par 5s. Can you comment on a future video about pros and cons for you on this strategy?
great idea for a future video. Thanks!
I like what you said on the 3rd hole - it's all about tempo - no more guiding, no more controlling. I find a free swing gives me best results also (when I can do it). Keep up the vlogs - thoroughly enjoying your channel!
Give up control to get control = better golf = lower handicap 🙏🏻⛳️👍🏻
Great round! Glad to hear the club has updated its rule-book
That's awesome that you got them to change their minds on making lady pro's have to use the red tees! 👍
Must play off the red tees? Absolute sexist BS. I"m embarrassed that I'm a man and some man told you that. Plus I've seen terrible male players try to hit off the back tees, holding others up for some egotistical reasons. You GO girl!
its crazy play what tess u like u payed ur fucking money
another nice vlog Gen! good they make the decision that from now on you can play from every tee box you want, but that should not only be for lady pro golfers but for all lady golfers. it's 2020 not 1920
Well said!! ✊🏻
preach 🙌🏼
Loved it, Every Golf Course seems to have a busy body that has to complain about something. I’ve learnt to block it out especially when it’s aimed at beginners that need time to learn the etiquette of Golf as we all have to start somewhere
yeah it's best to let them complain and get the frustration of their round out of their heads 🤣
Love your video. Great swing. Great personality. Great golfer. As a KGPA member I would like to apologise to you. Keep it up. Good luck 👍 💓
Thanks for that. Bring up this stupid rule with your club. Show then this video and do what needed to make a change. Now women with Pro cards can play any tee box it was told but there are amateur women that kick butts of these stupid machista members.
@@Divedown_25 Govt "masters" and ex-Govt "masters" running the club.. now worse with "ultra Islamics" in the mix.. if they can, they will bar ladies altogether... nevermind red Tees
You should’ve hit into the group in front of you and then blame it on hitting from the red tees.😀
Hahaha that's hilarious!
@@GenevieveLingGolf i would of been so mad if i was u and not played off of red
Love to do that to make this type of people feel small and shit
Congratulations on making a difference! Discrimination in any form is wrong, and I am impressed with how well you handled it. Even more impressed you did not give up and helped pave the way for the next woman pro that plays there. Looking forward to the time when any person can play any tee they want. Only restriction on a tee box should be skill and time of play; certainly not sex. You have a new subscriber!
There are many GUYS who should be playing from the red tees! You have tons of ability Gen.
And Gen as to your play on the course, I really enjoyed watching as you are pretty close in distance to this older man, but way more accurate and yet not being a regular, you fell victim to the same challenges, most specifically on the hills course. Most of the holes are weirdly elevated in such a way that they are a half, full or even sometimes two clubs more than the yardage suggests for the approach shots to the greens or par threes. Perfect examples as you erred on the par 5 6th and the par 3 8th. Also most of the greens have a very strong grain, primarily running back to front of green, thus your chip shots coming up short. Can be a nightmare chipping from back of greens. So a lot of nuance to manage, and yet a great challenge always! Scoring 36 points + on Hills and lakes is a great score! Love your video's!
Hi gen...kgpas members loved to complaint. ....as usual.... government pensioners..... always thought that they are still on top of the world.....but thx gen....u guide me to better game....love you.....maybe we will have a game at bukit unggul someday
Watched your videos here and again when they would pop up in my feed. After the nonsense you had to go through I’m subscribed. Well wishes on your journey. Hope you make it big!
Thanks, Gen for taking us along. Very impressive.
Man those members that complained are going to be real embarrassed when they realize the complained on a touring professional
If they were miserable enough to complain, they wouldn't care if I was Michelle Wie (i'm still a GIRL) 🤣
@@GenevieveLingGolf - true, but could you not show some sort of tour badge or tour id card to identify yourself when the marshals appeared?
@@gasty_vom_asty Which part of "They don't care" don't you understand... You must be non-malaysian
Admirable that you contined to play the level of golf most of us aspire to in the face of such small mindedness and outdated attitudes. Good luck to you
I’m glad to hear they changed that rule. Actually I think all people should play their skill level. When I started my son off at 3 years old, he played from 50 yards out. He’s now 11 and play from the lady tees. He’s been hitting since 9 months, but I wouldn’t let him on the course until he was able to control his ball. Some people egos are so big they complain about the stupidest things. Keep working hard.
Great to watch and good to listen to! If I may, you strike the ball beautifully. Many guys could learn a lot by watching girls hitting the ball well instead of watching Rory, Dustin et al where the swing speeds are just of another world. Thanks for sharing, and great save on the first hole! 🙂👍🙏⛳️🏌️♀️🥂
Thanks! I agree, I think it’s just more relatable distance wise. Not everyone can hit the ball 350yards!
I'm Irish and 42. I've lived in Australia, Singapore, now in America and I have played golf for over 30yrs to a good level (currently off 5). While in Singapore I experienced a few outdated incidents that were people trying to flex some superiority complex that as a guest of the country I had to suck up. Please don't be dishearten; this doesn't exist in most places and as a man, I apologise and hope we as a gender improve our behavior ever day to match the level of grace of our ladies. What tees a person plays from is no one else's business and only semi-related to how far a person can hit the ball or how much punishment they want for that day. You are a fine player and I hope during a round you can block distractions out of your mind like the greats of this game but once the round is over don't be afraid to stand up for your opinions. Best of luck with your channel
My gosh, you are a fantastic putter. Watch out Mickelson, Gen's on the prowl!
I'm sorry to inform you this happens everywhere STILL. In the US, one of my friends that I play with constantly gets told to switch to Red tees even though she's better than me. You'd think having an official scratch handicap or better would make it obvious you could play from any tee and it's even worse for mid-handicappers like her. Most courses in my area only have handicap ratings for women from the red tees so you cant even properly post a score from non-red tees to get a handicap if you are a woman.
I think they saw the camera and that made them complain...Just folks being miserable
Sad but true. Fortunately when I was in the US, I never experienced this (but also probably because I carried a college golf bag so they knew I could at least play). I hope you and your friend keep fighting the good fight 💪🏼
The sad thing is that your dad or anyone else didn’t even tell the course you were a pga pro... just wait when they see you on your! Keep up the great work, you’re amazing!
Thanks for your transparencies in this video and for your positive attitude and comments about the complaint against you. Very mature of you to turn lemons into delicious lemonaide. Couple takes I’d like to mention. First, splitting the tee boxes in the foursome would, in my opinion, slow your group’s play more than if you all teed from the same tee box. So pace of play should not cause a person to complain about the tees you used. Second, it was good that the course amended their rules for carded pros. The course could do nothing but enforce their regulations that existed at the time and while absurd, they had to do what they did. Commending them for acting fast and fairly with the revised rule. Hopefully the complainer is happy too. Very nice course and thanks for the tips. ⛳️
The men couldn’t stand a girl hitting from blues because you hit it further and better than they can ever dream of hitting the ball. Keep kickin butt!
Thanks for sharing a great video of KGPA. Refreshing insight from a tour Pro. Played there several times. Ignore the haters!
The tempo of this video is as smooth as your Tempo! Thanks for the very comfortable attitude and play!😀
Okay, I think I understand. The tempo is not only something confined to the few second before a shot, it is an attitude that you should carry throughout the round. I might dare to say even before you step onto the course.
Good that you can play from any tees at TPC :) keep up the good work with the videos. Youth is often confronted to antiquated thinking, more over for young women.
Gen, I have learned so much from your sessions! Talking thru the course is great, your swing is so very smooth, and your attitude perfect. Glad they course saw the light, you play from anywhere you want! :)
Living in San Antonio TX and walking on to any course you always have a chance to play with different people. The times I have had the best time is playing with women who are either building their knowledge of the game or better than me and killing it on the course. Total crap this course felt the need to keep you from playing blues because clearly you have the talent, but I have to assume it is a different culture you are dealing with there. Your attitude about it is admirable!
Wow! Crazy accuracy with your irons! Amazing!
Thank you! 😄
Just tell them you identify as blue tees next time.
😂😂 hilarious
@@GenevieveLingGolf Our U.K. golf club has got men’s tees measured for ladies so they have their own slope index. Totally unrequired comment from that golf club! We want more people to play golf!
Your attitude and golf game couldn't be more wonderful! People should play within their own group not worry about what is occurring ahead or behind them. It sickens me that women are still treated as less-than when in truth your golf skill is more-than most! Me and my friends would welcome you in our group anytime and would appreciate you as the wonderful person and golfer that you are.
Whoever complained is definitely lame
I just want to comment how much I am enjoying your videos and how much your skill and attitude has helped my game. Keep making videos, love them!
So glad I found your channel. I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks. I guess the mental toughness of a tour pro is just different than the average person if you can stay so calm after such an discriminatory situation. Love your videos.
Thank goodness you filmed it haha. Evidence.
perks of doing youtube. catching things on film 😛
Remember Teaski, only hit off the front tees! 🤪
Whadda-dumb-rule!
@@GP-yc2it Waddadouchebagcomplaining
@@GP-yc2it Teaski gonna just dance The Waka Waka Yea Yea at Them.
High or No Handicap Tee, Mid Handicap Tee, Low Handicap Tee, then rate the handicap tee grouping for male and female separately. Then if a low handicapper wants to play on either of the other tees, its their choice. It would also give players with higher handicaps something to aim for.
Gen your Vlogs are the best on youtube by a mile, always learn loads of info and nuggets which I can add to my game.
Young lady you are an awesome ball-striker keep up the good work totally awesome👍👍👍
Hello Gen, I appreciate that you shared this with us. I believe this rule says more about poor organizational management than it is about gender bias. When rules are made, gross generalities are used to establish by-laws and protocols. My guess is that a board member complained and the staff had little choice over this tyrannical beast who was somehow vested in this stupid rule.
As a management consultant, I have worked for over 15 years to convince leaders not to rely on exceptions to ensure fairness. While having management making regular exceptions to silly rules works most of the time, it puts organizational staff at great disadvantage; they can be fired or penalized for making the right decision at the wrong time. This approach is reckless and we see it in government too. They ask management/staff to make judgement calls that put them at risk of losing the very role they are placed in. In the end, it politicizes every single management decision. Crazy.
So how could this be fixed, such that the impression of systemic bigotry, racism, etc. is not given, when in fact it was likely lazy short-sightedness that led to the rule. While your readers may feel I am making excuses for such obvious gender bias, I am speaking from experience. I have seen many inclusive organizations put in place similar rules ... not even realizing that gender based rules lead to gender bias. Similarly, age based rules lead to ageist bias. Still, you are unlikely to see performance-based metrics as handicap or pace of play require effort on their part to track; albeit the correct way to solve the problem.
Everyone experiences bias. It is how we respond that matters. And you handled it perfectly.
For my personal example, I offer the following. At 11 years old, I was playing to a single digit handicap. Still, club rules would not allow me to tee it up with my father's morning group because I was too young (not of driving age 16 years old). Probably a good generalization, but only one of the 16 guys cared about me joining them week after week. So once the complaint was filed, I could no longer play with this group of seniors whose average handicap was likely 28! No worries, more time with better players as the skilled players who waited for the 11am loll welcomed me into their group. Although I lost more money playing skins with them, I did learn a great deal.
I write this to encourage persons not to see this as 'systemic bias', which of course it is .... superficially. Rather look at this as a weakness of 'rule-based authoritarianism'. 'Rule of Law' is clumsy at best and tyrannical at worst. Instead, guidelines and themes should be offered to management/staff and they provided the responsibility and authority to run things as they should be run. A focus on the individual and not the collective should be the norm, but we will not see this so long as lawyers are asked to compose the protocols by which organizations operate.
Nice vlog! Tee box selection is always a choice by the golfer, based off skill level and driving distance.
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The tee box a person uses should be based on their handicap, not the ignorant prejudice of some halfwit hacker. Keep kicking butt Gen!
Yup - and at least all long holes (par 4 and 5) should have at least 5 or even 6 tee boxes in order to seperate the players (male OR female) according to the handicap classes (very high handicappers in the front and the single digits at the very back). Imagine how frustrating it must be for a woman with single digit handicap always playing from the same front one or two blocks... On the other hand, how frustrating it is for a male beginner having to tee off from the blocks further back and hitting it just 100m or 100y - doesn't help with the frustration level for the round...
@@gasty_vom_asty Isn't it odd, why don't men start off from the most forward tees too? Probably because they have been termed as "ladies tees" but golf would be so much more enjoyable if beginners (men or women) could start off from the front tees
@@GenevieveLingGolf yup, that's the only reason, just the naming.
i could not agree more i as a 23.7 handicap old golfer would not stand a chance in hell against a lady single figure golfer playing from the forward tees it should be me from the forward tees not the lady
Yes! Then it gives you another reason to be determined to get better as you could feel like you are being promoted by earning the right to play on the further back tees. I would be permanently on the reds :)
I can't believe they forced you to tee off from red. What terrible management. An embarrassment for the course. Keep being awesome Gen, you're amazing!
I learned so much from this video simply because I've played there so many times. I've wrote them down so that I'll remember to do them the next time I tee it up. Keep up the good work Gen!
Glad there was a positive ending to the out-of-date practices of limiting women to specific tees. Golf is hard, you love the game, you have great potential and you are a Tour player. Much respect for your abilities.
You are SOOO adorable and you sound and speak like my BFF - an ethnic Chinese from Indonesia. I watch and listen to you and am so envious of your course management and golf IQ. Keep up the good work, Gen! I’ll learning so much from you!...❤️👍👍
If they tell you not to play off xyz tees it’s just jealousy,,,, your game is amazing Gen!
It's incredibly cute when you clean the wedge with the tips of your shoes before you hit it. But seriously: Thank you very much for your videos, from which I learn so much about tactics and technique!
people like that put people off golf. There are still too many small minded people out there.
this is sad but true
You were playing right in front of my flight at that time. And it seemed that i know your flightmates quite well. We were so shocked to know that somebody was complaining on you which for us doesnt make any sense. It's good that you show it to the whole world how low mentality the person who made the complaint. It's been a pleasure even to play behind your flight anyway.
Them forcing you to play from a certain tee box pissed me off. I’m impressed you kept your composure. I wouldn’t have done as well as you did.
KGPA is a beautiful course - so many beautiful golf courses in Malaysia! Gen has a great swing - what a gift it is to have a swing that is so mechanically sound. Good to see that Gen was able to change the absurd rule that all women have to play the red tees, but she'll have to remember to bring her certified PGA card.
Great video Gen! I am glad you were able to get the rules changed.
This may be the case at a country club. I would just talk with management before you play so they know your a tour player. That way if anyone complains they can tell them your better than they are and to mind their own business. I know at a public course, as long as pace of play is fine it shouldn't matter. My first time watching and loved the video. Thanks!
Sorry to hear that you have been told to play from the red. I always thought that tee-boxes should be played base on your handicap. Anyway, I loved to see you play, even a Gen from 2 years ago 😀💛
Wow. Time flies!
Send these guys video of you playing from the tips in Texas, Gen!
When I was a caddy in my teens at a club in Rhode Island, Thursday was Ladies Day. Plus on weekends, Ladies couldn't play until after 1 p.m. But then that was back in the '60's. I thought we had moved on.
Hey you played at my club! KGPA does have many uptight members. Sorry to hear of your bad experience. The greens indeed do not break as much there. Anyway nice to see how a pro would play the course. Keep up the good job!
definitely need some practice to read those greens well!
Your club needs to change its rules. Forcing Gen to play the reds is stupid. Absolutely stupid.
This course should be hung out in the social media for this so the club realizes that what they did was embarrassing. And no-one should go and play there. No idea if they need the money from green fees.
@@Divedown_25 Govt "servants" club.... they don't need the money.. plenty available if needed..
You're a pleasure to watch, Gen. From any tee. I'd be humbled and honored to buy you an ice cold GREEN tea afterwards. Keep hitting them!
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Gen handled the situation like a champ! The management should be reminded of the evolution of membership at the most exclusive courses such as Augusta National. Progress and grow the game or get left behind and forgotten.
Hi Gen, just watched your back nine and listened to your comments, so positive and considerate to KGPA, honestly, they don't deserve. The fact that they will allow women with a pro card to play any teebox from now on is still pretty pathetic. What about top amateur women and above 24 handicap or even 36 handicap men. I feel you were still being nice with your comments on the distance difference women and mens teebox and as such don't agree with your comments about minimal differences between mens blue and womens red tee boxes. Difference is minimum 20 metres, maximum 110 metres, as in massive. Even between mens blue and mens white. Anyway, I get your consideration appreciate your closing comments about golf being about a loving and caring community. You are a wonderful ambassador for the game, thank you!
Some people are so rude and stupid,instead of complaining about somebody else they should mind their own business and concentrate on their own game. I’d tell them where to shove their outdated rules and their fancy golf club. Never let anyone tell you that you can’t just because you’re a girl. Golf is for everyone,would they be ok with somebody treating a woman in their family like that? Keep grinding girl you’re an awesome player👏
THANK YOU 🙌🏼
I'm really glad the course made that decision and I'm glad you included the info at the end of the video. Keep grinding Gen.
After hearing about gender discrimination, I would NEVER want to play there ever. This stuff needs to be voiced. And people need to be informed that this sort of discrimination still exists. If anything tee boxes should be based on handicap, not sex.
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All golf courses & driving ranges are closed. It is so nice to see you play & so smooth. Wonder how to improve so that I can enjoy the game more.
Imagine telling an LPGA caliber player that she has to hit from the Red tees...good lord. I don't think I could even get those words out of my mouth.
Great 👍 video Gen..love it 😀.(Thanks for sharing your story of what you went through, totally ridiculous but important to know what happens in the real world. )
First time watching your videos and I am shocked at what happened to you on this course. I would have had a tough time finishing my round there and definitely would not be returning. Good for you for sticking it out....absolutely ridiculous what you were subject to in my opinion
Never heard of this, but I definitely can think of a few gentlemen at the local club I would love to make this complaint on.
you and me both 😋
yes the 25hcp guys that drive up in a Porsche and $1200 clubs and can't hit the fairway or pitch from 100yds.
@@theoakhills I'm feeling targeted by everything after "and..." ;)
Never complain, never explain. You are a phenomenal golfer, why wonder why.... people suck sometimes.
Great shots.... Ladies should play wherever box's they comfortably
WhataPlayyyaa..I love your smooth swing. You and Golfsidekicks are my favorite golf channels. Keep up the great work.
That’s insane on the tee thing. Mad how the complaint a) was filed and b) the fact they were able to get the message to you to formally ask to play off the reds. Your playing partners should have complained you now had an advantage 😂😂😂
Hahaha they were definitely having a laugh about it cause I was chipping into almost every green 😅
Genevieve Ling my 7yr old daughter is called genevieve and likes to play golf (just range/pitch putts at the mo) but I’m going to use your channel with her name to try and inspire 😜👌👍
Gen, by playing from the tips, the only thing you were doing to anyone was bruising some egos. It's disgusting that you were treated that way, but hey, somebody else's problem shouldn't affect your game. Love these videos so keep it up. Thank you!!!
As a newcomer to golf thats so messed up they treated you like that. I'd step up in a second and let you tee off from the tips if you were playing with my group. You're a boss!
Thanks for such great content. I'm learning a lot about the game. Your fairway irons are phenomenal!