Zen 5's REVOLUTIONARY Architecture - HUGE Cache Changes & IPC Gains
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- Zen 5's REVOLUTIONARY Architecture - HUGE Cache Changes & IPC Gains
Some fresh details have leaked for AMD's Zen 5 / Ryzen 8000 CPUs, as new details on the hardware specs surface. We examine the Zen 5 specifications leaks, which includes info on the HUGE cache changes for both L2 and L3 cache incoming to the Zen 5 architecture, as well as the HUGE IPC gains we can expect. We also revisit some of our old leaks, and how the new Zen 5 architecure details and specs line up. With Intel back swinging with Raptor Lake, Ryzen 8000 processors will have to come out swinging with competitive core count, ipc gains and of course performance gains while maintaining a good MSRP pricing across the SKUs.
But will the HUGE cache changes, overall architecture improvements and IPC gains be enough for Zen 5 to DEFEAT Intel's Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake? We also revisit some of our Intel info on Meteor and Arrow Lake, and AMD has publicly addresses some of the issues hampering Zen 4 CPUS.
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Just got my 7800X3D rig two weeks ago, it was pre-loaded to BIOS 1410 for ASUS X670E-I from day 1. I tweaked the timings and voltages with Buildzoid's settings and it worked fine. As the BIOS was released, today I switched to 1413 BIOS and redid the voltages and timings and everything's fine as well. So far no real issue with the CPU.
I think one thing may explain the differences in rumors you’re hearing: Zen architecture is starting to diverge depending on the product we’re talking about. Ryzen will be on N4, Epyc will be on N4 or N3 depending on who you believe, Zen 5C will be on N3, mobile parts will by monolithic hybrid parts, and of course there’s vCache variants of many of these ski’s as well.
So will Zen 5 have unified L3 cache? Depends on the product. Monolithic laptop parts absolutely will have unified cache. 128 core Epyc parts probably not so much unless they take the cache off the compute chiplet. Ryzen? Who knows?!
Unless these leaks are specifying a specific product segment with the information, it’s best to take all of this with a giant grain of salt (drink!). What we see on one product may not make it into all products. And of course that context is absolutely critical when assessing IPC or performance claims. Without that context, such claims are absolutely worthless - kind of like Apple’s claims of being xx% faster without actually specifying what they’re comparing against.
Nice video, short and exact!
I skipped Zen 4 and just upgraded my 3700x CPU to a 5900x that was heavily discounted, because I did not want to splash out on a pricey new motherboard and DDR5 RAM yet. I'll get another year or so out of my AM4. When I do upgrade to Zen 5 it looks like the performance increase will be enormous compared to Zen 3 to Zen 4. There are lots of new standards rolling out, so my trusty B450 board will need to be upgraded eventually, e.g., PCI-E 4 or more, DDR5, new USB standards, and a bunch of other stuff.
P.S. Cooked CPUs. How many cases are there? I heard of four. Even one is bad enough, but it happens. I remember auto-overclock on ASUS boards frying Intel CPUs several years ago, because the BIOS was way too aggressive trying to win over reviewers, I guess. I wonder if this is a case of that, rather than the CPU design, but we'll see. How well they sort it out and see customers right is what matters. If it is caused by overly aggressive BIOS, do AMD prevent the motherboard makers doing it, or let them still push the limits and just live with the risks?
Okay, now it's time to watch my football club try not get spanked by Spurs. MUFC since 1979. We are a bit average again, like when I was a kid. Arsenal bottled winning the league, so now it's up to Real Madrid and MUFC to stop Man City financial doping their way to a treble.
5900x is for darn sure more than adequate for a few years…
good idea to skip zen 4 because it's an experimental, non tested platform, you are the beta testers for their cpu and guess what, a lot of people found out it destroys itself and their motherboard
@@imaginalex5850 If you don't fumble with oc your RAM around, you should be safe. I bought me 6.000 MHz RAM, no need to oc it anyway.
@@mdd1963 I have a 5950X and a 7950X and I'm wondering why I got the 7950X - 5950X is still super-impressive (B550 Unify mobo)
@@0Turbox XMP/EXPO is actually overclocking memory from the JEDEC standard which is the base MT/s transfer rate your memory comes with.
Still rocking Zen+. Still very much adequate for my needs. Maybe I'll end up with Zen 8 by the time I get the upgrade itch.
My son has a new computer with a 7950x3d and an ASUS Crosshair x670E motherboard. He did the bios update last night on his board. I have been very concerned about it….
i'm excited for the strix point apu. if rumors are accurate, i'll have to upgrade from my 5600g 😁
Sounds interesting. I'll wait and see how the next gen. of hardware performs after it's release.
It's gonna perform like the same just because it's new doesn't mean its a must have.
intriguing until problems arise ;)
X3D chips are aimed at enthusiasts who know to update their bios first thing when building/upgrading, especially before turning the system to 11 in said bios. Its good practice to test and monitor new configs for symptoms after they boot. Degradation, rookie issue.
Great reaction from AMD on the 7800X3D issue. Clearly they've been learning from the RDNA 3 stock cooler issue and have these processes in place.
I cant wait to see where AMD APU's are at in 5 years. Handhelds will have the power of a series x.
20 years ago, they said, that 5 nm chips would be the limit. Now we got below it in size, but one day we will hit a physical barrier and, I believe, we aren't that far away.
ASRock recommends the new BIOS update for "7000x3D" processors. Now I'm confused: As an owner of the 7600x, should I make the BIOS update?
I think u should because some Zen 4 processors burnt the motherboard
can't be too safe
AMD is preparing for higher core counts with the cache redesign BCS ring bus got a limitation core count
Sorry my brother but AM5 and DDR5 are way too expensive for me 😅
I'm still rocking a 3950X, X570 motherboard and DDR4 3600 RAM and honestly i don't think i will upgrade anytime soon unless mothetboards and RAM prices come back to reality lol
Some of the motherboards are complete in line with previous gen prices. The X670E I just got is actually less than what my X570 was, with equivalent/better features.
At least where I live, 32gb of DDR5 6000 is only $40 more than DDR4....
I would welcome rather revolutionary pricing than architecture.
If value for gamers is bad, it is mostly limited market segment where it makes difference.
AMD should try compete Intel on budget as it did in the past too.
I bought a 7950X3D on the 13th April.
And have been using it only on BIOS defaults with no RAM OC, all stock.
And just recently bought an RX 7900 XTX and a GIGABYTE X670E Aorus Master mobo.
And i'm truly hoping for there to be no issues at all. Knowing that i've not touched EXPO or anything to do with OC on the 7950X3D.
I was thinking of tweaking just before the news hit about the dead CPUs, and now i'm glad i've not touched anything. But i still wonder if i should tweak something or just leave it all at defaults?
Definitely use expo... Memory speeds play a big factor.
@Jimster480 Yes you are right.
And i think i'll give it a shot at the RAM OC.
I've got a 64GB RAM 2x32 G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo non RGB 6000MHz CL32-38-38-96 1.40v profile EXPO kit. And also wonder if i should turn on EXPO or put in some custom timings, like the ones given by the guy from the " Actually hardcore overclocking " YT channel.
Leave it alone until more information comes from this, expo makes soc voltage go from 1v to 1.3 at 6000. With the extra v cache, expo is not as good as it is on standard chips. I’m waiting this out and everything in default on my 7800x3d
@Nathan McCormack I'll take your wise word brother. And i'll leave it all at defaults.
I already updated my mobo's BIOS twice on a GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER.
And the only single thing i've changed in the new BIOS was in the AMD CBS -> SMU common options the " Dynamic Preferred Cores " from Auto to Cache. That's the only thing and i've set the Date and Time of the BIOS.
Though i still wonder how much of a performance gain there could be just from the Default DDR5 4800MHz @ 40 timings to 6000MHz @ 30 timings.
Will it be a big gain?
Cause for example currently in Resident Evil 4 Remake with a Stock 7900 XTX GPU. At 1080p Max Graphics no RT no FSR. The FPS is between 200 - 300 and at times it goes over 400FPS mostly in cutscenes. So i simply wonder if the FPS could go even higher just from RAM OC?
If you have a better idea, i'd be curious to hear :)
@@Gielderst fps would go higher when running the proper ram speeds.
XMP is not OC. You are not over clocking the ram, just running the ram chips at their designed speeds. 6000mhz ram is in the spec for the Zen4 Cpus. It wouldn't be "overclocking" unless you went above 6000mhz...
Aah shiiit, here we go again🤣
I just want my motherboard to overclock RAM stably and boot quickly! Quit focusing on pushing voltages to win the .1% better performance war!
Zen 5 better be good as jedi survivor is totally bottlenecked by the 7800x3d
Jedi Survior looks like another very bad port like TLOU1
It looks like this specific game is the issue rather than the processor.
More like bottlenecked by inept development.
L2 cash should not affect multithread unless it is somehow shared.
its shared between hyperthreads on P cores and between groups of efficiency cores on raptor lake, for example. On AMDs its probably only shared during hyperthreading.
At this point we will settle for non-melting architecture.
IKR? Intel CPUs are so hot
Lame comment
It's why I didn't trust that 95C thermal limit of the chips. I was arguing with someone on reddit that after the warranty period, AMD doesn't care if it lasts or not.
@@christophermullins7163 Arguing about Raptor Lake vs Zen 4 is like arguing which FX Piledriver/Bulldozer chip is the least bad of the bunch.
I have a Core i7-12700K and a friend has a Ryzen 9 5900X, Zen 4 and 13th gen Core are bad.
My 7700X has been overclocked on EXPO for 5 months with DDR5 6000 on an ASUS ROG X670E Crosshair Hero. No problems yet so 🤷
If we get 2-3MB L2 per core on Zen 5, then all L3 will be 3d-stacked by default. That'll keep the die size nice and small, giving more space for architectural changes, mainly a wider core.
:) good bye low end gpus.
Rip
Lol yada yada bla bla, amd has yet to deliver something so revolutionary that it absolutely outstrips intel in ipc, has never happened and probably never will
Arrow Lake has 45% IPC increase over Alder Lake? Suuure...
So does Zen5 vs Zen3
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@@craighutchinson1087 yay
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I feel AMD is repeating Intel's mistake of core stagnation. How many times did Intel say there was no reason for more than 4 cores... then Ryzen happened. So AMD is trying to let Intel gain on them, Intel will capitalize on this failure to push further!
No. With 3nm and Zen6 in 2025 mainstream will go to 16 big cores instead of 8. Or with little cores even more.
@@a.thales7641 With 16 big cores and some little cores it wouldn't be stagnation, I agree.
@@a.thales7641 little cores are only for low-power applications, not desktops
Intel stayed there for 11 years. We're at 4 for 16 cores. Intel also had higher core count CPUs in the Xeon class that shared the same socket as the consumer line. These 2 situations aren't the same.
I'm sure AMD, Nvidia, Intel knows all the issues a certain product has but releases them anyway because they have to. Just like the auto industry and gaming industry. Launch the buggy product and deal with issues later. That's the norm for everything now because customers allow it.
AMD hype train again 😂😂
People never learn their lesson, at this point people just wanna have something new, even if it doesn't make any since.
"multi-threaded" IPC makes no sense.
IPC means isofrequency *single-threaded* performance.
It means instructions per clockspeed
Just fire the old lying woman along with team worked on 7900xtx everything will be fine again
This request comes from a man who has a smaller brain than the old woman 😅