This interview should have been titled "Is Nonviolence Cool?" or something like that, because it didn't really grapple with the question of whether nonviolence could take down a fascist regime, outline any of the ways a nonviolent movement might go about doing that, and respond to any of the weaknesses a nonviolent movement would face when confronted with a fascist regime. IIRC, even Gandhi admitted that his strategy would not have worked against the Nazis. So, if you're a historical war-gamer waiting for the paint on your new set of Napoleonic figurines to dry, consider the following analysis for academic examination: One of the weaknesses of nonviolence, especially for something large-scale like "taking down a fascist regime" (as opposed to, say, winning a strike against a local department store) is that it requires very large-scale mass organization. If you're trying to organize something like mass blocking of streets or a general strike or a boycott, that won't have much effect unless your organization already has a very large chunk of the population on board. Getting there requires leadership, in particular charismatic leaders who can attract mass followings like Martin Luther King or Gandhi. As Corbin Rempel points out below, the Civil Rights movement was essentially stopped in its tracks by targeted assassinations and infiltration and disruption campaigns (e.g. COINTELPRO), which is why we're still fighting the same battles today. Just try getting a hundred million people to do the same thing on the same day in opposition to the class interests that control the mass media and the big internet companies. A guerrilla movement, in contrast, can operate in small cells that target vulnerable systempunkts ("4th Generation Warfare") and do damage to a regime well above its "weight class" as a force. This won't necessarily win it friends among the regime's controlled population, but it could still lead to the weakening or downfall of the regime. Consider 9/11: a small number of individuals with a few million dollars in funding were able to cause trillions of dollars of damage to the US Empire (if you count all the resources the Empire has squandered on pointless wars since), put it on a permanent war footing and state of security alert (still can't carry a regular tube of toothpaste on an airplane a generation later). Not only has the US not recovered from 9/11, it hasn't even begun to stop the bleeding. This is not to say that the 9/11 terrorists were morally "good" in any sense, but they achieved their war aims in spades. A mere 19 individuals with a few million dollars in funding would have achieved next to nothing with nonviolence. One of the characteristics of a fascist regime is that it is centered on an in-group/out-group dynamic, usually based on ethnicity or race. At its worst, the fascist regime wants to exterminate the out-group/targeted race. In this case, non-violence just makes the members of that group/race easy targets. There are plenty of people salivating at the prospect of getting to shoot them some "libtards" when "boogaloo" (the Second Civil War) starts. That they don't expect their targets to be shooting back only makes the prospect more exciting (and low-risk) for them. There are times and places where nonviolence is the best approach (or at least has significant advantages over violent resistance), but against a full-on fascist regime--especially one equipped with modern surveillance and data-mining technologies--it doesn't seem likely to be very effective. Unfortunately, this interview didn't really focus on the issues of how to use nonviolence effectively against a modern fascist regime, or even against a historical example like the Nazis.
I like what Judith Butler is saying, but I shake my head when she invokes 'the power of the civil rights movement' without any perceivable accounting for the assassinations that decapitated those movements.. This narrative is the equivalent of a fairy tale.. There is value in it, but I have doubts it provides or perceives the whole picture..
@@antediluvianatheist5262 Okay Professor. Show with hard facts how we're in a fascist regime? Then I want to hear about the corruption of the Obama Administration and the fact He was the first president not to peacefully hand over power. Him and Biden targeted Flynn, used intel agencies to spy on a rival political campaign seeking to undermine in every way possible with the " resistance ". A permanent bunch of unelected bureaucrats who think they know what's best for Americans.
@@floydiandreamscapes5145 Targeting the press, targeting political opponents, attacking the press, attacking immigrants (who are indigenous), blames countries problems on minorities, saying he will never leave office, some people die in camps. Both Hitler and Trump have dont these things. These are some of the earmarks of fascism. Got it?
Alone? No. But people forget alot of the time that nonviolent resistance worked, those who used nonviolence often had a less savory foil to push them to negotiate with the nonviolent one. MLK had malcolm x for example.
Why do discussions about immigration and crimmigration never center on the fact that it is the warring and colonizing countries that create immigration in the first place?
Fun fact arab and African countryes colonized other contryes too, or do you think islam grew by the power of love?😂 and white and black slaves voluntarily became slaves to M.uslims?😊
Are people enraged at those who are separating kids from the adult who brought them here until DNA relationship can be determined, or the human traffickers who make it necessary? Are they pro child or pro human traffickers?
This interview should have been titled "Is Nonviolence Cool?" or something like that, because it didn't really grapple with the question of whether nonviolence could take down a fascist regime, outline any of the ways a nonviolent movement might go about doing that, and respond to any of the weaknesses a nonviolent movement would face when confronted with a fascist regime. IIRC, even Gandhi admitted that his strategy would not have worked against the Nazis.
So, if you're a historical war-gamer waiting for the paint on your new set of Napoleonic figurines to dry, consider the following analysis for academic examination:
One of the weaknesses of nonviolence, especially for something large-scale like "taking down a fascist regime" (as opposed to, say, winning a strike against a local department store) is that it requires very large-scale mass organization. If you're trying to organize something like mass blocking of streets or a general strike or a boycott, that won't have much effect unless your organization already has a very large chunk of the population on board.
Getting there requires leadership, in particular charismatic leaders who can attract mass followings like Martin Luther King or Gandhi. As Corbin Rempel points out below, the Civil Rights movement was essentially stopped in its tracks by targeted assassinations and infiltration and disruption campaigns (e.g. COINTELPRO), which is why we're still fighting the same battles today. Just try getting a hundred million people to do the same thing on the same day in opposition to the class interests that control the mass media and the big internet companies.
A guerrilla movement, in contrast, can operate in small cells that target vulnerable systempunkts ("4th Generation Warfare") and do damage to a regime well above its "weight class" as a force. This won't necessarily win it friends among the regime's controlled population, but it could still lead to the weakening or downfall of the regime. Consider 9/11: a small number of individuals with a few million dollars in funding were able to cause trillions of dollars of damage to the US Empire (if you count all the resources the Empire has squandered on pointless wars since), put it on a permanent war footing and state of security alert (still can't carry a regular tube of toothpaste on an airplane a generation later). Not only has the US not recovered from 9/11, it hasn't even begun to stop the bleeding.
This is not to say that the 9/11 terrorists were morally "good" in any sense, but they achieved their war aims in spades. A mere 19 individuals with a few million dollars in funding would have achieved next to nothing with nonviolence.
One of the characteristics of a fascist regime is that it is centered on an in-group/out-group dynamic, usually based on ethnicity or race. At its worst, the fascist regime wants to exterminate the out-group/targeted race. In this case, non-violence just makes the members of that group/race easy targets. There are plenty of people salivating at the prospect of getting to shoot them some "libtards" when "boogaloo" (the Second Civil War) starts. That they don't expect their targets to be shooting back only makes the prospect more exciting (and low-risk) for them.
There are times and places where nonviolence is the best approach (or at least has significant advantages over violent resistance), but against a full-on fascist regime--especially one equipped with modern surveillance and data-mining technologies--it doesn't seem likely to be very effective. Unfortunately, this interview didn't really focus on the issues of how to use nonviolence effectively against a modern fascist regime, or even against a historical example like the Nazis.
I like what Judith Butler is saying, but I shake my head when she invokes 'the power of the civil rights movement' without any perceivable accounting for the assassinations that decapitated those movements.. This narrative is the equivalent of a fairy tale.. There is value in it, but I have doubts it provides or perceives the whole picture..
No you cannot beat power with songs and sit ins. You will be dominated every time . If we go full fascism the streets will burn
@Will Williams Yeah, you're politically illiterate.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 Okay Professor. Show with hard facts how we're in a fascist regime? Then I want to hear about the corruption of the Obama Administration and the fact He was the first president not to peacefully hand over power. Him and Biden targeted Flynn, used intel agencies to spy on a rival political campaign seeking to undermine in every way possible with the " resistance ". A permanent bunch of unelected bureaucrats who think they know what's best for Americans.
@@floydiandreamscapes5145 Targeting the press, targeting political opponents, attacking the press, attacking immigrants (who are indigenous), blames countries problems on minorities, saying he will never leave office, some people die in camps. Both Hitler and Trump have dont these things. These are some of the earmarks of fascism. Got it?
There is a correlation between the threat of violence and the annoyance of non-violence. Good show!
This was a good one !
Alone? No. But people forget alot of the time that nonviolent resistance worked, those who used nonviolence often had a less savory foil to push them to negotiate with the nonviolent one. MLK had malcolm x for example.
(A lot. The word alot does not exist. You're welcome.)
Short answer: NO
End qualified immunity!
Hi j love the show
If the indigenous peoples of all the Americas would have United and fought back we wouldn't have been colonized
That was a dilemma that has happened across the planet for 1000;s of years!
I agree
@@692ALBANNACH it's time it stops
@Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster Facts and history can be cruel at times!
@Jordan B. Peterson's Pet Communist Lobster You people that is funny!
Extinction Rebellion is a powerful climate change movement. Some of their non-violent actions include theater, costumes.
Cutting lasers cure stupidity
Good interview!
No
Why do discussions about immigration and crimmigration never center on the fact that it is the warring and colonizing countries that create immigration in the first place?
Fun fact arab and African countryes colonized other contryes too, or do you think islam grew by the power of love?😂 and white and black slaves voluntarily became slaves to M.uslims?😊
Are people enraged at those who are separating kids from the adult who brought them here until DNA relationship can be determined, or the human traffickers who make it necessary?
Are they pro child or pro human traffickers?
Bloody hell. What absolute garbage.
Save the rainforest... stop buying useless books!!