Patrick Moore on Being Controversial and Cancelled | No Nonsense with Pamela Wallin
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- Concern over misinformation and disinformation are part of the climate debate. Longtime activist Patrick Moore on being controversial and cancelled... on No Nonsense.
An honest, curious and skeptical scientist…we need more like Dr. Patrick Moore or we’ll die in a sewer of our own folly and ignorance.
I have followed Patrick Moore for some time now and I think he is absolutely spot on.
Patrick Moore isn't a climate scientist. He used to be a forest ecologist with Greenpeace. But then he switched sides and became a PR spokesman for the very polluting industries he and Greenpeace used to fight, including the oil industry. See POLITIFACT's fact check on Moore. Also, FACT-CHECKING PATRICK MOORE, CLIMATE SKEPTIC. Not a single scientific institution on the planet agrees with Moore that more CO2 would be "good" for us. Just the opposite. Go to any of their public position statements on climate change and see for yourself.
Patrick Moore is my precious discovery today.
I truly respect Dr. Patrick Moore. He is so knowledgeable.
Patrick, you are one of my favorite people, along with David Bellamy, may he rest in peace. And others
Two books people should read :
The corruption of climate science. By tim ball phd.
The delinquent teenager. By donna laframboise.
Both are canadian . Well worth the read.
Here are also two very good books. "The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels" and "Fossil Future" both by Alex Epstein. Cheers.
@@anthonymorris5084 I'm not a fan of Epstein only because he buys into the idea that CO2 causes warming.
So many great Canadians almost no-one knows about.
@@thegeneralist7527 To invalidate Epstein over this is rather harsh and myopic. CO2 is a proven greenhouse gas. It's indisputable. The simple truth that everyone loves to ignore is that it is an incredibly insignificant greenhouse gas which is Epstein's position. Pretending this isn't true would just cause him to lose credibility and arm the alarmists. Epstein is the voice of reason in the climate discussion, and you are dismissing an incredibly important individual in the war against this draconian, anti human cult.
There's a new FREE documentary you need to check out called "Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth)" released just recently in 2024 Directed by Martin Durkin that answers a lot of your questions. Patrick Moore is in it along with a lot of Scientist.
The way she was getting impatient we Dr. Patrick was getting into the nitty-gritty of science and I was like "let him talk, this is so interesting!" 😂 I know Pamela was on a time crunch, but the engineer in me wanted to know every little scientific detail he wanted to say... I wish he were giving lectures on everything he knows, I would swallow that up.
Dr. Moore is a GEM. He has such a breadth of knowledge of climate, botany, geology- ALL the sciences and how they work together. Sit back and listen to a man with a PHD in Ecology.
Moore isn't a climate scientist, nor has he published any peer-reviewed climate papers. Once an admired forest ecologist, he switched sides years ago to go to work for the very industries he and Greenpeace used to fight: the mining industry, the plastics industry, the nuclear industry, and the oil industry.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481Bullshit! Refute anything he said with facts!
@@jezdye3615 Moore works on behalf of the very industries that he and Greenpeace used to fight. He is, for example, the former director of the CO2 Coalition, which has long been funded by energy industry executives and conservative climate denial groups to promote the use of more gas and oil. Check their website and see for yourself.
Moore has also worked on behalf of the Nuclear Energy Institute, Asia Pulp and Paper (a logging firm), the CASEnergy Coalition, the Canadian Mining Association, the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada, Westcoast Energy and B.C. Gas, PVC manufacturer IPEX, and BHP Minerals.
Moore isn't a climate scientist. His degree is in forest ecology, but he is not a forest ecologist, he's a paid greenwashing spokesman for industry.
Moore is famous for his assertion that "over the Earth's history there's no consistent correlation between CO2 and temperature." He then shows a graph which looks pretty damned convincing.
The crime here is that no lay person questions his graph's validity and provenance. Or anything else he presents as Gospel.
They should.
Coal mining engineer and climate denier Monte Heib took historical CO2 data and historical temperature data and slapped them together in a hand-drawn graph and assumed this was an accurate depiction of earth's climate history. It wasn’t. But deniers and skeptics have posted and re-posted his famous graph thousands of times across the internet. It has ZERO scientific validity, as you would expect from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.
The data he used was in time steps of ten million years, too long to determine correlations between CO2 and temps. (Climate scientists today use time steps of 500,000 years.) He also neglected to add the effects of a sun that increases its output as it evolves over hundreds of millions of years.
Climate scientists regard the Monte Heib graph the same way they would regard their kindergartner's first attempt at "art." Unlike a child's first efforts, there is nothing funny or endearing about an amateur's attempt at deception and it certainly won't ever end up taped to their refrigerators. ;)
Unfortunately, Moore uses a similar lie of omission with his wildfire graph, which appears to show far more wildfires in the 1920s and 30s than today. What he fails to share with viewers is that his graph includes millions of acres of INTENTIONAL BURNS. Today's wildfire graphs do not include intentional burns. Morever, according to fire data historians, burn acreage in the early 20th century was counted by multiple government agencies and sometimes counted TWICE.
Moore also neglects to add critical context: Many fires in the early 20th cenury were simply left to burn out on their own because there were no access roads to reach them. Does he mention the speed traveled by horse-drawn fire carts vs. today's diesel fire trucks? The efficiency of today's powered hoses over hand-pumped hoses?
The lack of early detection vs. today's super fast spotting by satellites?
Moore has stated that the evidence doesn't show that human activity is causing climate change. That flies in the face of Cornell University's 2021 survey of over 88000 climate studies, which found a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving today's warming. So who's right? The thousands of PhD-level climate scientists who make up the consensus or a non-climate scientist who is regularly paid by big industry to make them look good?
See RESPONSE TO PATRICK MOORE'S 'WHAT THEY HAVEN'T TOLD YOU ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE' for a video rebuttal of his alternate facts.
Thank you Dr Patrick Moore. I would have loved to meet yourself. We owned land just outside Courtney for years with plans to build. Sadly my folks at the time were killed in a car crash and as a result we did not pursue the Island again. They resided in Qualicum. We now reside inPV MX and Kelowna BC. Alberta boy tho thru and thru. Ha.
And yes. Nuclear energy is perfectly safe and manageable. It is the future. LENR.
Atomic is the ONLY tech known NOW that can pull us out of this fucking mess.
You could not be more wrong.
Do some research on Yuka Mountain.
Nuclear energy is just like communism. Its great on paper, but equals 100's of millions dead. When implemented.
Because people and government (the few controling the many) ruin it.
Yuka Mountain is a total failure.
The "temporary Nuclear waste holding sights" all around the country can no longer be moved to yuka Mountain because they are leaking. Waiting to be moved ro yuka Mountain because after decades over budget and over due still is not finished. Because of mismanagement and government control. The temp holding sights are leaking and killing milions slowly.
And the governor and the people of Nevada have said that even if yuka Mountain is ever finished they dont want it used to house Nuclear waste.
At this point the current stTe of yuka Mountain and its construction is no longer certifable to contain waste because of government overruns waste and fraud.
Also think of the train derailment in ohio what if that had been a trainload of Nuclear waste, you can not trust the government to not screw that up and get millions of square miles toxic to all life.
@@mrunning10 Did you not listen to a word he said. This mess is natural and not the end of the world.
Yes, but we cannot have nuclear and also be 'woke'...
OMG!! Why can't she shut up, let him talk ..
exactly - her ignorance and unwillingness to listen to him just angered me all through this interview.
Because she hangs around politicians and stupid LIBERALS to he more exact.
Thank you for this👍
this is great Pamela, thank you.
More people need to listen to Patrick
Half of the French nuclear fleet of reactors were off line for maintenance last year and 12 with crack cooling pipes. What do you do with the pipes that are radio active??
Also most eroupean nuclear power station s lost the ability to cool themselves because the rivers and lakes were too hot last summer.
Yes you may recycle some of the spent fuel but not the parts that are made radio active
@@gingertom56 Physics is not your strong suit, is it? It appears, neither is listening and comprehending.
@@Mordalo what part of physics?
@@gingertom56 In your case, pretty much all of it. You can start with radiative absorption rates.
@@Mordalo are you say thr coolong water and pipes won't have aborb any radiation over its 60 yrs live span?
Why don't "they" ever talk about those who are doing Geoengineering ? i e screwing with the weather ? that has to be a factor in the changes some are discussing, but it is NEVER Mentioned as a weather factor.
Because it is not real. It is a silly stance on an issue that does not exist.
@@ClimateRealism lol bs do some research. Literally companies that specialize in it.
@@ClimateRealismummm what? Put in Colorado and Geoengineering we have been doing it since the 1970's. Cloud seeding blah blah it's not denied .., catch up..
you know recycling gets dumped in ocean
You know solar panels are filling up land fills
You know sales of small trash bags and dog poop bags have exploded, trash has increased due to paper bags and use of forest has increased all due to stopping plastic grocery bags ..
care more about the earth then what you believe
Thanks for all you do.
Moore does SHIT, and gets PAID by fossil fuel PACs to do it.
His remarks about human life and the amazing beauty of our planet are very striking.
How about the co2?
@@mrunning10its essential to organic life and currently we are still at some of the lowest levels the earth has endured. Do some educated reading!
Refreshing discussion. Thank you both, you are rational thinkers helping to combat the insanity. Cheers all.
Moore isn't a climate scientist and has been debunked by those who are.
Pamela Wallin reaching out to Patrick Moore for instruction. So, refreshing.
Great guest!
There's a third Nobel prize linked to the use of nitrogen fertilisers: Norman Borlaug, father of the Green Revolution. From Wikipedia: he "is credited with saving over a billion people worldwide from starvation." "Taller wheat grasses better compete for sunlight but tend to collapse under the weight of the extra grain-a trait called lodging-from the rapid growth spurts induced by nitrogen fertilizer Borlaug used in the poor soil. To prevent this, he bred wheat to favor shorter, stronger stalks that could better support larger seed heads."
The green revolution saved over a billion people. Yea? The driver of overpopulation and the collapse of life on Earth. Short term benefit with huge unintended consequences. Better to spend all those $$$ on educating women and providing contraceptives. Educated women have fewer babies. Fewer babies = a population that doesn’t exceed the carrying capacity of the Earth.
Racist and xenophobic and eugenic? Ask all those starving people in third world countries. Raise them out of poverty to become “better”consumers? Of course corporations would love that. The same corporations who can’t think beyond the next quarter. No thanks.
Recovery from the green revolution driven overpopulation will be painful, but one way or another we will need to (be forced to) come to reckon with that. Climate change is the most obvious force to force us. Loss of biodiversity is another.
Climate change is real. Wildfires, drought and all the rest are destroying all those plants the would benefit from the extra CO2 Moore says is needed.
Great talk and lots of interesting delails showing how glbal public has been manipulated.
I thought he was crazy, but he became a hero to me. One of my favorite people Dr. Patrick Moore, I have loved you and your work since I first heard of your activity in the 70s. I also remember your departure of Greenpeace over Chlorine. Keep up your great work.
Moore quit his forest ecology gig to work for the very polluting industries he and Greenpeace used to fight. Much more money in industry than in environmentalism.
Moore is incredible patient with this "genius" woman. Talk about a sheep.
A smart scientist to listen to!!! The public needs to listen
Listen to conspiracy no-science HORSESHIT?
Dr. Patrick Moore, climatologist and Founder of Greenpeace is the greatest scientist of the modern world
'Fake catastrophes and threats of doom'!
Sea level has risen four inches since 1993 and its rate of rise has doubled, according to NASA and the World Meteorological Organization. Satellite altimeters and worldwide tide gauges agree on the numbers. Two different methodologies, same numbers. Pretty tough to discredit that, Claire.
According to NOAA, high tide flooding along the American south and Gulf coasts has risen an astonishing 400% and 1100% respectively since the year 2000. Maine, which is uplifting land from glacial rebound, suffered a record high tide in January that caused $100 million in damages. Meanwhile, the City Dock neighborhood of Annapolis is flooding out 60 times a year now, forcing the closures of streets and businesses. Queens, NY is also flooding on a reglar basis. New York and Louisiana, in fact, have a combined $100 billion in new flood mitigation projects in the works. Miami Beach has raised 105 miles of roads. Up and dwn the coastlines, cities and towns are emptying their coffers to find solutions to hold back the growing tide.
Science knows exactly where this is going. The last time CO2 reached 400ppm, sea level rose 29 feet, according to the University of South Hampton. The only reason we haven't seen 29 feet yet is time, as sea level greatly lags CO2. But we're on our way, with a rate of rise that's steadily accelerating and will only get worse as we continue to warm and melt the icecaps.
Patrick Moore is not a climate scientist. He is a PR spokesman for the energy industry and has served as a head of the CO2 Coalition, which has long been funded by the fossil fuel industry to increase the use of gas and oil. He has also been roundly debunked in the scientific literature, which is why I always urge people to seek rebuttals before believing anyone, especially someone who is not a climate scientist and has no climate science training.
Who was da guy with hokey stick f... sorry fame ...
@@FernandoWINSANTO Michael Mann. His hockey stick data has been confirmed by over 30 studies and is affirmed by the National Academy of Sciences.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 I am not a believer sorry. Have a nice evening Sir.
@@FernandoWINSANTO So you no longer believe in science?
Would love to see a conversation with Patrick Moore and Elon
Greenwashing, nut zero are sending us back at a rate of knots, we'll be peasants
For non-Canadian viewers, Pamela Wallin is a Senator in the Senate of Canada. She's formally retired from journalism now but during her journalist career was one of the very top journalists in Canada. It is wonderful to see Senator Wallin interviewing Dr. Moore. It is something of a watershed in my book.
She is not promoting general geological knowledge that you should learn in high school or college.
Wallin resigned from the Senate in 2013.
Dr Moore and people like him need to be listened and understand. We may loose them soon and who then will speak the Truth?
Moore is a spokesman for the energy industry, not a climate scientist.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 haha. You are so mislead.
@swiftlytiltingplanet8481
Facts matter, Patrick Moore has no affiliation with the oil and gas sector.
Tipical Liberal that just plugs your ears and screams conspiracy theories.
21:10
@@dianelowe7877 Yes indeed, facts matter, my friend. Moore is one of the former heads of the CO2 Coalition, which has long been funded by the fossil fuel industry to promote the use of more gas and oil. He has also worked on behalf of the mining industry, the plastics industry, and the nuclear industry. He is the quintessential greenwashing spokesman for these industries, which is why they pay him up to $25000 per speech and presentation.
Here's a fact-check of some of Moore's views: "RESPONSE TO PATRICK MOORE'S WHAT THEY HAVEN'T TOLD YOU ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE"
Moore is famous for his assertion that "over the Earth's history there's no consistent correlation between CO2 and temperature." He then shows a graph which looks pretty damned convincing.
The crime here is that no lay person questions his graph's validity and provenance. Or anything else he presents as Gospel.
They should.
Coal mining engineer and climate denier Monte Heib took historical CO2 data and historical temperature data and slapped them together in a hand-drawn graph and assumed this was an accurate depiction of earth's climate history. It wasn’t. But deniers and skeptics have posted and re-posted his famous graph thousands of times across the internet. It has ZERO scientific validity, as you would expect from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.
The data he used was in time steps of ten million years, too long to determine correlations between CO2 and temps. (Climate scientists today use time steps of 500,000 years.) He also neglected to add the effects of a sun that increases its output as it evolves over hundreds of millions of years.
Climate scientists regard the Monte Heib graph the same way they would regard their kindergartner's first attempt at "art." Unlike a child's first efforts, there is nothing funny or endearing about an amateur's attempt at deception and it certainly won't ever end up taped to their refrigerators. ;)
Unfortunately, Moore uses a similar lie of omission with his wildfire graph, which appears to show far more wildfires in the 1920s and 30s than today. What he fails to share with viewers is that his graph includes millions of acres of INTENTIONAL BURNS. Today's wildfire graphs do not include intentional burns. Morever, according to fire data historians, burn acreage in the early 20th century was counted by multiple government agencies and sometimes counted TWICE.
Moore also neglects to add critical context: Many fires in the early 20th century were simply left to burn out on their own because there were no access roads to reach them. Does he mention the speed traveled by horse-drawn fire carts vs. today's diesel fire trucks? The efficiency of today's powered hoses over hand-pumped hoses?
The lack of early detection vs. today's super fast spotting by satellites?
Moore has stated that the evidence doesn't show that human activity is causing climate change. That flies in the face of Cornell University's 2021 survey of over 88000 climate studies, which found a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving today's warming.
No less than ELEVEN studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. So who's right? The thousands of PhD-level climate scientists who make up the consensus or a non-climate scientist who is regularly paid by big industry to make them look good?
Great informative interview.
There's a new FREE documentary you need to check out called "Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth)" released just recently in 2024 Directed by Martin Durkin that answers a lot of your questions. Patrick Moore is in it along with a lot of Scientist.
@@wandameadows5736 See 'CLIMATE: THE MOVIE; A HOT MESS", a debunking from beinning to end by Skeptical Science.
Why do i believe in the climate crisis? I feel like I am questioning everything now.
Yes we should do our own research. Provided the material we research is authentic and unbiased.
Why? Eleven separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. ELEVEN. Over 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's scientific institutions, from NASA to NOAA to the World Meteorological Organization, publicly endorse the consensus position, which is precisely why every nation on earth is a card-carrying member of the IPCC.
In 2021, Cornell University surveyed the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and tallied a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving today's climate change. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos have acknowledged that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet to a damaging degree.
By contrast, Patrick Moore is not a climate scientist but has made his living as a PR spokesman for the very industries that he and Greenpeace used to fight: the plastics industry, the mining industry, the nuclear industry. He's also a former head of the CO2 Coalition, which has long been funded by the fossil fuel industry to promote the use of more gas and oil.
He has also been roundly debunked in the scientific literature.
Moore believes climate change is natural and harmless and that more CO2 would be good for us. The American Physical Society, with its over 50,000 physicist members, vehemently disagrees, calling today's climate change "unequivocally human-caused" and "urges swift action" to mitigate the damage our emissions are causing.
0.1% of publishing climate scientists disagree with the 99.9% consensus. Moore isn't even part of the 0.1% because he isn't a climate scientist. If 99 bridge engineers warn me not to cross a irckety bridge for fear of imminent collapse, I'm not sure how much confidence I would have in the one lone dissenter assuring me of the bridge's safety and urging me to cross, especially when he'll be collecting a toll from me on the other side.
Because our "news" is reporting the propaganda that our "political scientists" are PAID to deliver. Unless a scientist produces what the govt wants, they are De-Funded. THIS IS A FACT.
Because all the media love a catastrophe story because people become interested and the actual scientists they put at 93% say it is a catastrophe has been manipulated for maximum effect on us. I believe Patrick and the world class scientists that oppose the disaster it is made out to be.
@@karollbrinton8317 And what does YOUR "research" forecast?
It is unfortunate that we, the taxpayers, have to employ pompus know-nothings that feel a need to tell us to hang our cloths on a cloths line.
Dr Moore. Thank you for your truth and I love it.
The truth? Hardly. Beware of Moore's cherry-picked data, fake climate graphs, verbal sleight of hand and little lies of omission, all of which he employs in his presentations. Moore is the former director of the CO2 Coalition, which has long been funded by the fossil fuel industry to promote the use of more gas and oil. He has also been a fellow at the Heartland Institute, also funded by the fossil fuel industry. Moore is not a climate scientist. Although his degree is in forest ecology, he's not a forest ecologist. He's a a long-time spokesman for the energy industry.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 sorry. I don’t equate what you are saying any Truth. I have been all over Canada and to the North Pole. You Climate extremists can think and do what you want but please do it on YOUR dime.
@@gordonmarr6463 It's a shame that fossil fuel industry propaganda has so egregiously shifted your perception. ELEVEN separate studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change, Gordon. ELEVEN. Over 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's scientific institutions, from NASA to NOAA to the World Meteorological Organization publicly endorse the consensus position, which is precisely why every nation on earth is a card-carrying member of the IPCC.
In 2021, Cornell University surveyed the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and tallied a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving today's climate change. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos have acknowledged that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet to a damaging degree.
By contrast, debunked scientists like Patrick Moore make up the 0.1% who reject the 99.9% consensus. If 99 bridge engineers warn me to stay off a rickety bridge for fear of collapse, I'm not sure how wise it is to listen to the one lone dissenter who just so happens to have a toll to collect from me on the other side of that bridge.
Paradigm shift in the Naradigm
I admire his patience with that woman who is so obviously not listening and constantly interrupting his talk.
He really seems tired at the end.
I've never heard anyone dispute any of Patrick Moore's claims. A great Canadian.
@Pamela Wallin There's a new FREE documentary you need to check out called "Climate: The Movie (The Cold Truth)" released just recently in 2024 Directed by Martin Durkin that answers a lot of your questions. Patrick Moore is in it along with a lot of Scientist.
Yes, Patrick Moore and all of the other usual deniers, most having been funded by the fossil fuel industry. See the movie completely debunked at the Skeptical Science website.
Pamela, I got so frustrated with you in this interview, you kept cutting Patrick off while he was explaining scientific fasts. Your ignorance and unwillingness to listen and learn is astounding. You need to modify your interviewing skills and start to listen to people like patrick. I wanna get mad at you but is just not worth it. I was going to subscribe to you but after this display I chose not to.
Thumbs up for him thumbs down for her😅
Google propaganda note at the top , a seal of authenticity , congratulations
One has to wonder why Orcas have not started using the East Coast seal population as a food source.
I recommend to everyone, interested in why Attenborough and his ilk are doing what they're doing, to check out his book/movie "Life on Our Planet: My Witness Statement".
And if the Big guys stop the Weather terror with the HAARP system and some more drivers , we would have even more pleasant weather without earthquake and fake storms , and so on , all my respect for you Patrick Moore 🥰🤪👍
Not a theory Pam. Politicians have been doing this for decades. Look at statement from McKinnon on tape is a bar saying “if we say it long enough and enough times they will believe it”. Environment minister at the time for J Castro.
Data proves that humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history, by almost any measurement you care to examine. Life flourishes under warming.
We are indeed safer and healthier than ever before. So why would we want to allow climate change to reverse that by increasing sea levels, storm surges and high tide flooding? Or by intensifying hurricanes and expanding wildfire seasons? Or by increasing heatwaves, marine heatwaves, ocean acidification, extreme precipitation events, droughts, and tick-and-mosquito-borne diseases?
Phoenix suffered through 31 straight days of temperatures above 110 degrees last summer. You can't grow crops at that temperature because photosynthesis literally stops at 104 degrees, and many seeds won't even germinate.
Canada last year suffered the largest wildfire burn acreage in its history. So did Texas. Canadian burn acreage has doubled in forty years. Ditto the U.S. Greece last summer suffered the largest wildfire in European history.
In 2015, the record drought in the Amazon killed an estimated 2.5 billion plants and trees. To everyone's shock, that record was broken just 8 years later, with an even worse drought accompanied by wildfires. Because of the humidity levels in rain forests, nobody expects them to burn up. Yet they are.
Two years ago a marine heatwave off Washington state killed billions of clams, mussels and starfish and millions of seabirds. A marine heatwave off Alaska killed an estimated 10 billion snow crabs. Due to rapidly warming waters, the cod and shrimp fishery off Maine has collapsed.
Contrary to popular belief, fish don't simply move further north to colder water. They first suffer a massive die-off, and when the remaining schools move they may move to waters too distant for fishermen to profitably harvest.
We have made tremendous progress as a species, but giving credit to warming ignores the much larger contributions by
science and innovation and cultural and government organization while overlooking the damage that too much of a good thing (warming) can cause.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 Arguing with you is painful.
Sea levels have been rising for 10,000 years, unabated. There is nothing anybody can do to stop this. If you think we can, you're delusional.
There is no evidence of intensifying hurricanes. You are blatantly lying.
Your wildfire comment has no logic. If summers start earlier so do wildfires. Are you against summer? Should we shorten summer to snuff out wildfires? Guess how many benefits come with an earlier summer? The ministry of natural resources Canada clearly shows that fires have been in decline for 44 years. Before humans existed who put out the fires? Nobody.
Not any of the other events you proselytize about have come true.
Ah, so all the wildlife is going to perish, but the tics will all thrive. Right because all the cute and fluffy life with die, but all of the evil harmful life will thrive. This is your twisted logic. All bad, all scary, all the time.
That's just your first paragraph. The rest isn't even worth replying to. No doubt you'll continue to cite the exact same lies as you continue to incessantly post them to me
@@anthonymorris5084 I make up nothing . Ever. And yes, cognitive dissonance when confronted with information opposite from one's dogmatic beliefs is painful isn't it? Here you can look up everything I posted and verify them for yourself. If everything I post is made up explain to me why insurers from Allstate to State Farm are ending coverage in flood and fire-prone states.
See ATLANTIC HURRICANES GETTING STRONGER FASTER, STUDY FINDS, NY Times, Oct 10, 2023.
EVEN WEAK HURRICANES ARE GETTING STRONGER AS THE CLIMATE CHANGES, Scientific American, Nov 17, 2022
HURRICANES BECOMING SO STRONG THAT NEW CATEGORY IS NEEDED, the Guardian,Feb 5, 2024
CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAKING HURRICANES STRONGER, STUDY SAYS, The Weather Channel, Feb 24, 2024
TYPHOONS GETTING STRONGER, MAKING LANDFALL MORE OFTEN, Eos.org, Aug 2, 2020
ASIAN TYPHOONS GROWING MORE INTENSE, STUDY FINDS, the Guardian, Sep 5, 2016
ARCTIC CYLONES HAVE BECOME MORE INTENSE AND LONGER-LIVED, Nature, Oct. 2, 2023
Yes, summers start earlier, and yes that's increasing wildfire burn acreage, costing the world billions of dollars. The increase in damage has made some insurance companies stop coverage.
Average sea level rise throughout the 20th century was 1.2 mm per year. Today it's 5mm per year. See RATE OF SEA LEVEL RISE HAS DOUBLED IN A DECADE, from the World Meteorological Org. The sea level rise you referred to was from changes in earth's axial tilt, which increased solar insolation in the northern atmosphere, and melted ice and permafrost, allowing the release of CO2 and methane. Axial tilt reached its maximum 10,700 years ago and has been receding ever since, now at 23.4 degrees.
PACE OF RISE IN SEA LEVEL HAS DOUBLED, UN CLIMATE REPORT SAYS
You're also confusing the number of Canadian fires with the stats on burn acreage. MORE land is burning today. That's because dried-out lands from higher temperatures burn and spread faster
See: CLIMATE CHANGE DROVE DROUGHT IN THE AMAZON
RECORD TEMPERATURES AND HEATWAVES BRING UNPRECDENTED DROUGHT TO THE AMAZON BASIN,
EVERYTHING IS DEAD: HOW RECORD DROUGHT IS WREAKING HAVOC IN THE AMAZON
THE AMAZON'S RECORD-BREAKING DROUGHT
See NOAA HIGH TIDE FLOODING
BILLIONS OF SNOW CRAB DEATHS OFF ALASKA LINKED TO MARINE HEATWAVE
INSURERS SUCH AS STATE FARM AND ALL STATE ARE LEAVING FIRE AND FLOOD-PRONE AREAS
WINTER TICKS WIPED OUT NEARLY 90% OF MOOSE CALVES
NASA LINKS SEVERE STORM INCREASES, GLOBAL WARMING
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 You cite and follow media, not data. You follow media embellishment, hyperbole and sensationalism and then parrot their nonsense. The Guardian? New York Times? Seriously? All data shows no change in hurricane ferocity or frequency - Our World in Data, and every single hurricane graph you choose to google proves this.
Here's how your logic works - Summers are starting earlier so forest fires start earlier. You're literally arguing against summer. Egad more summer. If summer starts earlier then we will experience *more of* every single positive and every single negative aspect of summer. While simultaneously we will experience *Less of* every single positive and every single negative aspect of winter. This you incessantly refer to as a catastrophe, because with you, everything is all bad, all the time, always. You just willfully ignore all the positives because they ruin your apocalyptic nonsense.
Same with your nonsense about pine beetles and tics. You whine incessantly about how warming is going to kill everything, then you cite all of the terrible life forms that will thrive. You argue both sides of the coin incessantly always supporting - all bad, all the time, always.
Both Canadian data (44 years) and American data (75 years) and Our World in Data show a precipitous decline in both burn acreage and fires. Please enlighten me, were there forest fires when there were no humans? Who put out the fires? Nobody. How did the world survive? A hundred years ago we used bucket brigades, today we use jet aircraft and numerous other technological advances. Your user name should be Chicken Little. And writing in all caps just proves your demand for submission.
UNITED NATIONS OR CZcams FIDDLING ?
The text at the head of this page, under the sub-heading of United Nations seems to have been altered somewhere along the way.
This heading, as shown on various and numerous pages of CZcams, has for a long time now comprised a total of 22 words, in two sentences with roughly 11 words in each sentence.. This has included counting the hyphenated 'long-term' as one word.
What has now happened is that the original first sentence (11 words) has remained the same.......BUT........the second sentence, has been expanded from 11 words to 23 words.
This has clearly been done to give the impression of more certainty to the reasons for climate change, and is much at variance with the 11 words contained in the original second sentence.
Who is responsible for making this change....?
Has this been done by CZcams of its own volition...?
Or has it been done under UN influence...?
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
Another comment on an unused type of energy. You can use hydride, which is hydrogen stored as hydride in tanks (like the ones that fill up balloons). You need a particle accelerator and a banned element that is used in nuclear weapons, then you can make this fuel for cars. The tanks do not explode if impacted or even from bullets....very safe. Only issue is to design a well-functioning device to alert of any hydrogen leaking in car, linked to an alarm. ITs an unlikely danger and the driver would be alerted so quickly they could turn off the vehicle and leave it with windows open till the alarm shut off. A tank would take you hundreds of KM or Miles, and without using any of the fossil fuels. You can also create a hybrid car where you can switch over between fuels. Not difficult.
Genius! Maybe you should pass this to the Government as a solution as you seemingly have solved the issue?
@59:40 ...were it not for the Food, the Shelter and Clothing and furry little outfits for the Ladies, I really don't know what we would have done 'till now!
nope, I don't think it could've been done without those things.
We would have still been in Africa
Exactly. How can fossil fuels be so bad when we are simply refining and replenishing earth with what it has always had.
How can fossil fuels be so bad? Sea level rise, expanded wildfire seasons, intensified hurricanes, reduced farm productivity, and increased heatwaves, marine heatwaves, ocean acidification, extreme precipitation events, droughts, and tick-and-mosquito-borne diseases. Sea level rise alone has forced New York and Louisiana to begin to erect a combined $100 billion in new flood mitigation projects. High tide flooding along the American south and Gulf coasts is up 400% and 1100% respectively since the year 2000, according to NOAA. Maine is uplifting land from glacial rebound yet in January suffered a record high tide that caused $100 million in damages. And we're just getting started.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 and yet Obama builds an oceanfront mansion on the water. All lies. Left Lunatics.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481 You forgot to mention the 15% increase in vegetation worldwide caused by increased CO2 levels , leading to the greening of the edges of deserts and reduced requirements for fertilizers. This also fortunately allows Africans to chop and burn more wood for cooking and warming because they not allowed to burn fossil fuels for energy.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481zero EVIDENCE for any of what you mentioned being caused by CO2 liberation by man, ZERO. Correlation is not causation. You would probably believe me if I told you that using sun lotion increases the risk of shark attack too. Climate measures will be the death or enslavement of us long before climate change, which is something we have successfully adapted for millions of years and is what we should concentrate on now.
@@swiftlytiltingplanet8481co2 in atmosphere 0.04% and of THAT just 3% is due to human activity. Of that 3% my country UK contributes less than 1%. Let's ignore completely over 90% of the atmosphere being water vapour, live in constant panic, fear and send ourselves back to the dark ages, which ironically enough were WARMER than now!😂
Moore is exactly correct. Nuclear waste can be used over again and again. It may not be as efficient in delivering initial output but it is very efficient.
Beware, Moore is a PR spokesman for the energy industry, and has worked on behalf of both the nuclear industry and the oil industry. He's not a climate scientist and has been debunked by those who are.
I love sharing educated truth !
too bad he became a monsantos shill ..
'Fighting climate change is akin to trying to alter gravitational forces!' Ned Nikolov(a really interesting scientist to perhaps invite)!
He doesn't share at all Patrick Moore's belief that Co2(96% from oceans) can magically alter earthly temperatures or adversely modify the weather(in other interviews)....he says he REALLY understands ATMOSPHERIC PHYSICS and that for Co2 to be able to change anything, both the 1st & 2nd LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS have to be ignored.
Concerning what Mr Moore said about human capacities to change or control the weather, Zbigniew Brzezinski stated in the 1970's that the United States already possessed this capacity. No doubt a few other developed nations too.
In the 1980's in Moscow an INTERNATIONAL TREATY was signed to prevent governments from using WEATHER WARFARE.
In 1997, the US defense secretary, William S. Cohen, also stated that the possession of weather-altering capabilities was indeed real.
Weather is not Climate
This is great stuff! When I tried to bring these arguments to the Australian FB Skeptics group, they kicked me out!!
Can anyone tell me where I can find the counterarguments to what he is saying? I am not saying they are right but I just want to see what they are.
Counter arguments? Sure, it's called SCIENCE and PHYSICS and MATH and MEASUREMENT and DATA. And it's easy to tell the difference between Dr. Patrick Paid-for Horseshitter Moore, PhD and the TRUTH.
Was there ANY mention of the 2,400 GIGATONS of co2 HUMANS have released into the atmosphere? No? Then you're hearing a conspiracy denialist.
See? Even a 5th Grader can know.
When you go for a drive at night in Canada, your windshield is no longer covered in bugs. All gone. Climate change is real. For God's sake.
Excellent piece of scientific work. was the trial you conducted double blind.
Maybe spend some time looking up in the sky
Where are you driving?
One more video.
Because the south pole is solid land while the north pole is water. The ice build up on Greenland is off center from the ice build up on Antarctica.
When the ice builds up enough about every 110,000 yerars or so. The earth reacts the way off balance things in space react.
Without even considering any effect from other planets like Jupiter.
czcams.com/video/1x5UiwEEvpQ/video.html
A sane voice in a crazy world. Thank you Patrick Moore.
HORSESHIT.
Pamela, I you shut up a bit, we would learn more
This lady will not let the man finish a sentence! Let the man finish his point! You continue to interrupt him under the contention that - because you don’t understand, you assume we all don’t understand.
Interrupt horseshit? How is that possible?
@@mrunning10 How is that possible you ask? Dr Moore disproves the horseshit that you apparently believe in, without interrupting people. He knows more in his little finger then what you’ve amassed your entire lifetime. And besides, she only interrupts him out of nervous compulsion, but she agrees with him. So go on believing your mentor in chief Greta Thunberg.
@@mrunning10 Horseshit? So you believe gasbag non-scientist politicians like Al Gore, emotionally disturbed teenage robots like Greta Thunberg, the IPCC made up of global politicians, and the parameterized computerized climate models devised by bought and paid for scientists, models that have never been correct???? If you want talk about horseshit, it’s the lies you follow-- genius
@@mrunning10 Horseshit? So you believe fat ass politicians like Al Gore, emotionally disturbed teenage robots like Greta Thunberg, the IPCC made up of global politicians, and the parameterized computerized climate models devised by bought and paid for scientists, models that have never been correct???? If you want talk about horseshit, it’s the lies you follow-- genius
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He says "the idea that we have the power to change the climate is idiocy". He's in total denial. Zero credibility.
If we can just invent a device to tilt the earths axis back to where it was 150 years ago , and then keep it there.
He is correct. We can lessen pollution yes. Not climate on a global scale. We do have the power to adapt and that's where we should concentrate.
Beware of Moore's cherry-picked data, fake climate graphs, verbal sleight of hand and little lies of omission, all of which he employs in his presentations. Moore is the former director of the CO2 Coalition, which has long been funded by the fossil fuel industry to promote the use of more gas and oil. He has also been a fellow at the Heartland Institute, also funded by the fossil fuel industry. Moore is not a climate scientist. Although his degree is in forest ecology, he's not a forest ecologist. He's a a long-time spokesman for the energy industry.
Beware of people who do not believe in the Bronze Age warm period, the Roman warm period or the Little Ice Age. - all of which are denied by the Hockey Stick Crowd.
@@iancormie9916 Nobody in climate science denies the Roman or Medieval Warm Periods. They've been much discussed in the scientific literature. But neither of these were global or globally synchronous in extent. They were largely confined to the North Atlantic and Europe. See NO EVIDENCE FOR GLOBALLY COHERENT WARM AND COLD PERIODS OVER THE PREINDUSTRUAL COMMON ERA, Neukom et al, Nature, July 24, 2019. The study found that the warmest period over the last 2000 years ocurred during the 20th century for 98% of the globe.
The hockey stick, by the way, is confirmed by over 30 studies and is affirmed by the National Academy of Sciences.
@@iancormie9916 Moore is famous for his assertion that "over the Earth's history there's no consistent correlation between CO2 and temperature." He then shows a graph which looks pretty damned convincing.
The crime here is that no lay person questions his graph's validity and provenance. Or anything else he presents as Gospel.
They should.
Coal mining engineer and climate denier Monte Heib took historical CO2 data and historical temperature data and slapped them together in a hand-drawn graph and assumed this was an accurate depiction of earth's climate history. It wasn’t. But deniers and skeptics have posted and re-posted his famous graph thousands of times across the internet. It has ZERO scientific validity, as you would expect from someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.
The data he used was in time steps of ten million years, too long to determine correlations between CO2 and temps. (Climate scientists today use time steps of 500,000 years.) He also neglected to add the effects of a sun that increases its output as it evolves over hundreds of millions of years.
Climate scientists regard the Monte Heib graph the same way they would regard their kindergartner's first attempt at "art." Unlike a child's first efforts, there is nothing funny or endearing about an amateur's attempt at deception and it certainly won't ever end up taped to their refrigerators. ;)
Unfortunately, Moore uses a similar lie of omission with his wildfire graph, which appears to show far more wildfires in the 1920s and 30s than today. What he fails to share with viewers is that his graph includes millions of acres of INTENTIONAL BURNS. Today's wildfire graphs do not include intentional burns. Morever, according to fire data historians, burn acreage in the early 20th century was counted by multiple government agencies and sometimes counted TWICE.
Moore also neglects to add critical context: Many fires in the early 20th cenury were simply left to burn out on their own because there were no access roads to reach them. Does he mention the speed traveled by horse-drawn fire carts vs. today's diesel fire trucks? The efficiency of today's powered hoses over hand-pumped hoses?
The lack of early detection vs. today's super fast spotting by satellites?
Moore has stated that the evidence doesn't show that human activity is causing climate change. That flies in the face of Cornell University's 2021 survey of over 88000 climate studies, which found a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving today's warming. So who's right? The thousands of PhD-level climate scientists who make up the consensus or a non-climate scientist who is regularly paid by big industry to make them look good?
See more of his fact-checks here:
thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/06/04/Fact-Checking-Patrick-Moore-Climate-Skeptic/
See also RESPONSE TO PATRICK MOORE'S 'WHAT THEY HAVEN'T TOLD YOU ABOUT CLIMAE CHANGE"
haha debate him. Your probably going to choose cherry picked data yourself even if you don't know it.
@@tkskates I'd be happy to debate him. See FACT-CHECKING PATRICK MOORE, CLIMATE SKEPTIC. Not a single scientific institution anywhere on earth agrees with his view that more CO2 would be "good for us." None. Nada. Zilch. Not NASA. Not NOAA. Not the World Meteorological Organization. Not the over 50,000 physicists of the American Physical Society. Go to the public position statements on climate change of any scientific institution on the planet and you'll see how egregiously Moore is out of touch with the science. The reason? Money. Moore abandoned his role as an environmental warrior decades ago to collect fatter paychecks from the very industries he used to fight. Over the years he has worked as a PR spokesman for the mining industry, the plastics industry, the nuclear industry and yes, the oil industry.
ELEVEN studies confirm the scientific consensus on climate change. ELEVEN. Over 80 academies of science and ALL of the world's scientific institutions publicly endorse the consensus position on climate, which is precisely why every nation on earth is a card-carrying member of the IPCC.
In 2021, Cornell University surveyed the over 88000 climate studies published from 2012-2020 and tallied a 99.9% consensus that human activity, not nature, is driving today's climate change. Even Exxon's own scientists in leaked memos have acknowledged that combusted fossil fuels are warming the planet to a damaging degree. Their assessments of future warming, in fact, have matched those of academic scientists.
Moore is notorious for using debunked graphs in his presentations. One is by coal mining engineer Monte Hieb who, in amateur fashion, took historical temperature data and historical CO2 data and slapped them together in a home-made graphic that he assumed would be an accurate rendering of earth's climate histosry. It wasn't. Not even close. However, he succeeded in convincing thousands of naive viewers across the internet that there is "no correlation between CO2 and temperature throughout history."
Hieb went wrong by presenting his graphic in time steps of ten million years. Climate scientists use time steps of 500,000 years. Hieb also neglected to add in the effect of a sun that strengthens as it evolves.
Why would anyone expect anything different from someone who was never trained as a climate scientist and who also had an axe to grind? (Hieb's climate science denial was well known) It doesn't matter because thousands of untrained viewers continue to believe his graphic. Moore surely knows the provenance of the work, yet he continues to employ it in his presentations anyway. Give that some thought.
Sadly, Moore stoops to an equally low level when he presents his wildfire graphic, which appears to show far more fires back in the early 20th century than today. Fire experts warn viewers not to take his graph seriously because millions of acres of INTENTIONAL BURNS were included in it, whereas today's graphs only include actual wildfires, not prescribed burns. His graph also includes millions of acres of burn acreage inadvertently counted TWICE. Moore never tells his audience this. Give that some thought too.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Would you like to see more?
You're not "cancelled" Patrick, Mr. Paid by Fossil Fuels Canadian Pipeline Moore. You're just simply wrong. (And a LIAR because you're smart and you KNOW you're bullshitting the public and that MAKES you a LIAR)
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Source?
@@tkskates Source of the Science: 2,400 GIGATONS OF CO2
Source of the MONEY: WikiLeaks and Moore's own admittance (much more difficult for sure to find.)
Wake the fuck UP.
Ooooo... well that convinced me😂.... but just for fun.... what specifically has he lied about?