Just had this with my 98 12v last week here in NY... it’s my welding rig truck, been sitting for 2 weeks and finally fired never plugged er in.... smoked like a mother !!! 😂😂🤙🤙
There is no point in deleting the grid heater unless you are running serious power. When I say serious power, I mean over 1,000 horses. the grid heater helps with the start to much and does not hinder air flow enough to be an issue for the delete to be warranted. your truck looks like a work truck, not a pull truck. might as well save yourself some frustration and reinstall the grid heater.
This truck had the grid heater deleted before I bought it, lol I would never take one off myself because you are right it helps way too much! Glad that I don't have this turd anymore haha.
@@tommyhayes3508 They are great trucks! I currently have a 2008 6.7 cummins 6 speed and love it. Best advice i have for buying one is get a manual or built auto transmission and if you get a second gen make sure its not a 53 block.
If you crank it too much the starter will overheat and burn up. That was my reason for not letting it go longer. I mean it started in the end haha that is the important the thing and the starter never gave me any issues up till when I sold it.
my old 99 the grid heater never worked I found that out after about 3 months of me sitting in the cab freezing my ass of waiting on the wait to start light but it never had this much trouble compression starting
Any chance of you trying it again soon and using throttle? Show us what you're doing too. I think holding it in or even pumping it when it almost catches may work.
No I can't because it won't be that cold again this year here. The truck starts pretty easily in 10 to 20 degree weather which is what is common here. Its actually warming up here.
@nunya business some mechanical pump ones do. There’s a reason even the official starting instructions of older Cummins say to push the pedal to the floor and hold it halfway open when cranking. I think even the older 6.2 and 6.5 GM’s said the same.
Outside of plugging it in I have no insight... I was just curious to watch you try to start it and see which technique worked best. I imagine giving it throttle may help but only as its firing on at least one cylinder.
I tried throttle and no throttle, throttle might have helped a tad. When it is this cold thought it being unplugged its just gonna be a bitch to start regardless.
yeah I was haha that is why in the beginning I cycled the key again not for the grid heater because it didn't have one but I figured might as well prime the pump again since I was pumping the pedal as I was trying to start it.
Dang haha. Yeah I have a Ford f800 work truck with the 12 valve and no grid heater. On some close to zero degree days the only way to get it going is with starting fluid. My 3500 is probably one of the best cold starting diesels I've seen around. Even if it's in the single digits I only cycle the heater once and it fires right up with a touch of the accelerator. No plug in at my apartment either 😣
Gavin The god wind chill means absolutely nothing for a vehicle sitting there that's already cold. It only cools it down to ambient temperature faster.
What does your Cummins start like on a REALLY COLD MORNING if you haven't used it for several days? How long do you find you have to crank it for if it wasn't plugged in?
seriously ha, I always see people trying to Start their truck but not let it actually turn over... if it's got compression them it just need fuel not gelled up and certain rpm.
etceteraEA I was replying to this comment saying "why don't you just keep hiding down the key" and I said if you we're to do that it would fry the starter
Not on diesels with glow plugs. Cummins uses a grid heater so its not as bad. If you spray ether into a Duramax or Powerstroke when the glow plugs are lit you are taking a serious risk of blowing a plug out of the head or bending a rod. Ether is extremely flammable (obviously) and the heat from the glow plugs can cause a violent explosion. So yes use something less combustable like WD-40 or brake clean.
@@randombk82894 On a old diesel its ok, the new diesels you cant use ether, its too harsh on the aluminum and other soft metals they use now adays. Some people say you can use brake clean
randombk82894 ether is no good for a diesel it works also by drying the oil offhh walls to create more friction in turn makes more heat all it takes to s one shot of the sh*t to make it a ether baby im a 20 year diesel mechanic and have seen my fair share of ether damage even saw one come in that was rebuilt and the liners we're galded from to much ether die to a weak injector pump
probably not the this was the first time I have ever started the truck in negative degrees without it being plugged in. I am assuming that you have helpful tip or trick for me so what might that advice be?
you can fry them or they can get stuck on which is what I was trying to avoid so I was being easy on it. I could have been a little harder on it for sure but I was just taking it easy.
etceteraEA I don't know if it's blocked off or not. I'm planning on checking it out when I get out there. So did you ever hear about what I did in the band parking lot?
Here is a thought. When you are parked at a dorm in college you don't have the option to plug it in usually. Before making a smart ass comment why don't you try and use a shred of logic. Thanks for the view!
Hi thank you for the clip ! Your "lady" doesn't want to wake up by this cold ! It seems like an human crying or laughing about you ! Excuse me but I am a fetish of coldstart, I would like to be your neighbour …..
thats the most ignorant thing you could've said. this motor is 100x more reliable than any gas engine money can buy. if he'd have plugged it in, let the plugs warm up, OR just kept cranking, 12v will fire up. no matter what
Newer diesels fire right up in the cold. Ford does start testing of their Super Duty trucks in -40*F. The reason older trucks have a hard time starting is mainly due to the older fuel systems. Everything is common rail now and they start just as easily as a gas engine. The older engines will start fairly easy as well when properly maintained. And as far as longevity, diesels far surpass gas engines. Diesels (when properly maintained) will log half a million miles before a rebuild if not more. Sometimes they even hit a million. Not to mention semis. 500,000 miles ain't shit in a semi truck.
starting up easier isn't called reliability, it would be considered convenient. It isn't like the truck didn't start and broke down. Still perfectly reliable and had no damage from it being hard to start. These trucks don't normally start this hard in the cold but this truck didn't have a grid heater on it which was why it was so hard to start. My new truck, an 08 6.7 cummins, starts up with no issues at any temperature and is making 648 horse power. That would be considered reliability, being able to make that much power and not mess up on a regular basis. To get that power out of a gasser you would spend triple what I did if not more.
Thank you so much for not reving the snot out of it when it started.
Just had this with my 98 12v last week here in NY... it’s my welding rig truck, been sitting for 2 weeks and finally fired never plugged er in.... smoked like a mother !!! 😂😂🤙🤙
No grid heater? No block heater? Insanity I plead!
I'll be at work at 8 on the dot boss the job is only 1 mile away ....u gota leave at 7 to get it started lmao
There is no point in deleting the grid heater unless you are running serious power. When I say serious power, I mean over 1,000 horses. the grid heater helps with the start to much and does not hinder air flow enough to be an issue for the delete to be warranted. your truck looks like a work truck, not a pull truck. might as well save yourself some frustration and reinstall the grid heater.
This truck had the grid heater deleted before I bought it, lol I would never take one off myself because you are right it helps way too much! Glad that I don't have this turd anymore haha.
etceteraEA lol
I agree very rough on starter and rod bearings
@@davidbulich1254 why rod bearings
@@pauliecopez2683
Rpm from the starter is way too low for the oil pump to work properly, therefore no oil pressure.
Power stroke guy here. I love the sound of cummins
I appreciate it man
lol
That starter is a champ
It really is haha I owned this truck for another year or so after this video was recorded and starter never gave me any issues!
etceteraEA nice truck I want a Cummins one day 👍
@@tommyhayes3508 They are great trucks! I currently have a 2008 6.7 cummins 6 speed and love it. Best advice i have for buying one is get a manual or built auto transmission and if you get a second gen make sure its not a 53 block.
etceteraEA will do!
Ouch that's gotta be tough on the starter
it's a diesel crank it till the bitch starts lmao. I mean don't get carried away but you kept letting off the starter when it was about to fire.
driving me crazy
It could blow up the truck
False.
this comment is all that was in my head.. fucks sake man
If you crank it too much the starter will overheat and burn up. That was my reason for not letting it go longer. I mean it started in the end haha that is the important the thing and the starter never gave me any issues up till when I sold it.
Hope you keep several extra starters in your room.
Saw the building and knew it was TTU before seeing the banner!
Cummings are overall just a better engine.
Cummins**
Cummins power! lol
FWD to 3:54 because that’s when it finally starts.
my old 99 the grid heater never worked I found that out after about 3 months of me sitting in the cab freezing my ass of waiting on the wait to start light but it never had this much trouble compression starting
Gotta crank it longer next time. Give it a chance
Didn't want to fry the starter and be stuck there
Lol I remember doing this with my big brother and his 1999 24 can valve in Wyoming
Any chance of you trying it again soon and using throttle? Show us what you're doing too. I think holding it in or even pumping it when it almost catches may work.
No I can't because it won't be that cold again this year here. The truck starts pretty easily in 10 to 20 degree weather which is what is common here. Its actually warming up here.
@nunya business some mechanical pump ones do. There’s a reason even the official starting instructions of older Cummins say to push the pedal to the floor and hold it halfway open when cranking. I think even the older 6.2 and 6.5 GM’s said the same.
you need to plug it in when it is very cold outside
You should try a carb that's got empty fuel bowls when cold. Crank and crank and crank and crank.
Outside of plugging it in I have no insight... I was just curious to watch you try to start it and see which technique worked best. I imagine giving it throttle may help but only as its firing on at least one cylinder.
I tried throttle and no throttle, throttle might have helped a tad. When it is this cold thought it being unplugged its just gonna be a bitch to start regardless.
this truck is a vp truck and pumping it won't do anything because the pump won't really give any extra fuel till it actually fires.
i have Maxxforce's at work that start about this hard all winter !
Yeah, best thing to do at this point is just give it some throttle as you crank.
yeah I was haha that is why in the beginning I cycled the key again not for the grid heater because it didn't have one but I figured might as well prime the pump again since I was pumping the pedal as I was trying to start it.
Dang haha. Yeah I have a Ford f800 work truck with the 12 valve and no grid heater. On some close to zero degree days the only way to get it going is with starting fluid. My 3500 is probably one of the best cold starting diesels I've seen around. Even if it's in the single digits I only cycle the heater once and it fires right up with a touch of the accelerator. No plug in at my apartment either 😣
What kind of tires are those
These were some 35” or 37” nitto mud grapplers on a set 20x14 fuel hostages 🤘🏼
lots of cold start wear on the cylinders rings and ring lands not to mention the starter and batteries and wires
Only -6 fuck man here in Alberta it's -51 with the windchill
-6 is -21 celcius and it rarely gets that cold lol
damn dude that's freezing man! This truck would never start in that temp! My new truck might but definitely not this one.
Gavin The god wind chill means absolutely nothing for a vehicle sitting there that's already cold. It only cools it down to ambient temperature faster.
Is that a 12v?
What does your Cummins start like on a REALLY COLD MORNING if you haven't used it for several days? How long do you find you have to crank it for if it wasn't plugged in?
define really cold lol in the 10 degree range probably a minute or two of cranking.
Show us what he's doing inside when trying to start it. Is he giving it throttle?
Man I tried it all, it was just bitterly cold and with no grid heater and being unplugged all week it was gonna be rough either way.
+etceteraEA haha -15 is bitterly cold
Gearhead There is no throttle
Goodbye starter
surprisingly I had this truck for almost 2 more years after this video and never had a starter issue haha
you have to crank it for more than 5 seconds at a time
seriously ha, I always see people trying to Start their truck but not let it actually turn over... if it's got compression them it just need fuel not gelled up and certain rpm.
He probably didn’t want all the “RIP starter” comments.
I’ve put my hand on my starter after 30 seconds of cranking here in Montana and it’s as cold as a frosted door knob
No grid heater but your pausing in between starts to let the grid heater warm up
that's not good on any diesel I plug all mine in and keep the grid heater or glow plugs in working order. why unhook your grid heater?
more airflow to the intake horn they claim. not worth it for the little gain Imo
A fraction of power for all that engine abuse
Jon Ruger he said in another comment the grid heater was removed before he’d bought it
I gotta ask. Why doesnt he hold it ? Why does he keep restarting ?
Mickxal he'll fry the starter
I didn't want to fry the starter, I am sure that I could have gone for longer on each attempt but I was just being cautious.
etceteraEA I was replying to this comment saying "why don't you just keep hiding down the key" and I said if you we're to do that it would fry the starter
My brother said next time this happens go shoot a lil bit of WD40 it works ALOT better then Ether and better on the diesel
Either is fine on a diesel dude.
I didn't think of that, thanks for the tip!
Not on diesels with glow plugs. Cummins uses a grid heater so its not as bad. If you spray ether into a Duramax or Powerstroke when the glow plugs are lit you are taking a serious risk of blowing a plug out of the head or bending a rod. Ether is extremely flammable (obviously) and the heat from the glow plugs can cause a violent explosion. So yes use something less combustable like WD-40 or brake clean.
@@randombk82894 On a old diesel its ok, the new diesels you cant use ether, its too harsh on the aluminum and other soft metals they use now adays. Some people say you can use brake clean
randombk82894 ether is no good for a diesel it works also by drying the oil offhh walls to create more friction in turn makes more heat all it takes to s one shot of the sh*t to make it a ether baby im a 20 year diesel mechanic and have seen my fair share of ether damage even saw one come in that was rebuilt and the liners we're galded from to much ether die to a weak injector pump
Can you make another cold start like this and show us what you're doing inside the truck? Would be interesting
probably not the this was the first time I have ever started the truck in negative degrees without it being plugged in. I am assuming that you have helpful tip or trick for me so what might that advice be?
etceteraEA next time you go to start is try holding the pedal to the floor until it started to rev up
diesels are fuel injected pumping the pedal does nothing till the engine is running. that's for old cars running a carburetor
Or 12v cummins engines which use a mechanical p-pump. And anything else mechanical for that matter.
There is a ve pump and a p pump 12 valve but pumping the pedal with the truck off does nothing for those either
what kind of damage can be done on the starter like this....???
The way he's doing it there should be no starter damage its when you hold it for a long period of time and keep holding it
you can fry them or they can get stuck on which is what I was trying to avoid so I was being easy on it. I could have been a little harder on it for sure but I was just taking it easy.
So bad for your cylinder walls
Truck ran great till I got rid of it with no blow by and great compression. Can you explain why you feel this is bad for the cylinder walls?
Ya that sucks bro
Hey Erik! Compensating for something? lol. I'm making a new exhaust video soon. Any good offloading near Tech?
Always compensating, you already know. Not really lol
Have you been to s*** creek?
Chuck Chuckles no
etceteraEA I don't know if it's blocked off or not. I'm planning on checking it out when I get out there. So did you ever hear about what I did in the band parking lot?
Chuck Chuckles no
Quit letting off the starter....it'll fire. Grid heater delete....bad Idea up north.
Tennessee Tech?
yeah
etceteraEA Played there for state championship back in 2014
what lightbar mounts are those?
they are soflo diesel mounts
Heres a thought. If it gets cold in your state... plug it in... its not rocket science guy.
Here is a thought. When you are parked at a dorm in college you don't have the option to plug it in usually. Before making a smart ass comment why don't you try and use a shred of logic. Thanks for the view!
Why take off the grid heaters?
The guy that had it before me took it off because it can help air flow but I would not recommend it lol
Let it turn for more than 5 seconds
Hi thank you for the clip ! Your "lady" doesn't want to wake up by this cold ! It seems like an human crying or laughing about you ! Excuse me but I am a fetish of coldstart, I would like to be your neighbour …..
This is why I will NEVER have a diesel vehicle
thats the most ignorant thing you could've said. this motor is 100x more reliable than any gas engine money can buy. if he'd have plugged it in, let the plugs warm up, OR just kept cranking, 12v will fire up. no matter what
Oh and you forgot to mention Mercedes and Volvos, legendary for their longevity.
And I still stand by my comment that gasoline engines fare far better in extreme cold, no plugging in required. That fact you can't disprove.
I will guarantee that the truck I have now, a diesel, will start just as good as your gasser in any environment.
Newer diesels fire right up in the cold. Ford does start testing of their Super Duty trucks in -40*F. The reason older trucks have a hard time starting is mainly due to the older fuel systems. Everything is common rail now and they start just as easily as a gas engine. The older engines will start fairly easy as well when properly maintained. And as far as longevity, diesels far surpass gas engines. Diesels (when properly maintained) will log half a million miles before a rebuild if not more. Sometimes they even hit a million. Not to mention semis. 500,000 miles ain't shit in a semi truck.
What size is that stack?
dude you nailed it perfect sizing chart
it is an 8" aussie cut stack
where you from?
Tennessee
this virginia tech?
TN tech
Ever heard of a block heater ?
yeah I use one all the time but in the dorms there was no place to plug it in
etceteraEA
Got ya.
Все каминсы так хреново заводятся ?
My gasoline engine would have been running after the first try regardless of how cold it was. No plugging in needed. That's what I call reliability.
starting up easier isn't called reliability, it would be considered convenient. It isn't like the truck didn't start and broke down. Still perfectly reliable and had no damage from it being hard to start. These trucks don't normally start this hard in the cold but this truck didn't have a grid heater on it which was why it was so hard to start. My new truck, an 08 6.7 cummins, starts up with no issues at any temperature and is making 648 horse power. That would be considered reliability, being able to make that much power and not mess up on a regular basis. To get that power out of a gasser you would spend triple what I did if not more.
its how diesels are when its cold, diesel fuel thickens in low temp's this engine is waaaaay more reliable and longer lasting than a gas engine.
grantg98 so would any common rail diesel.
Of course I know how gas engines work. I might point out too that any engine will fail prematurely if not maintained proplerly. Even diesels.
a well maintained diesel will outlive a well maintained car easy
ha ha
was just painful to watch
thanks for watching!
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I had used it all up the day before and stores were all closed cause of the ice
This video isn’t worth the time
You’re right
@ERA_motorsports It might be worth yours but I'm talking about other people watching it
@@tannerdamico9895 I’m agreeing with you, it’s a waste of time lol just a silly video I filmed when I was 19 years old in college