Electoral Court to rule on whether Zuma can be face of MK Party
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- The Electoral Court is today expected to hand down an order on whether Former president Jacob Zuma can be the face of the uMkhonto weSizwe Party come the 29 May general elections. The party took the Electoral Commission of South Africa to court, after it barred Zuma from participating in the elections over his July 2021 contempt of court prison sentence.
Legal expert Modidima Mannya and former IEC deputy chairperson, Terry Tselane unpack this from both the legal and IEC perspective.
Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.
Modidima is useless shame. Only those who can't reason are applauding him.
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Useless ANC buyers Modidima
You want him to praise Zuma??
Yes Mr Zuma is very very good man and he is intelligent ❤❤❤
Mr. Terry Tselane, sir thank you for always not taking any sides.
You are always FAIR.
SOBER judgments.
The IEC must choose if it wants to be a political party or not
Exactly 💯
Modidima hates Zuma with passion, to an extent of failing to reason beyond persecuting him. Even business people, Ramaphosa should had done, you stop engaging in businesses after the you've sawn in, it is not the IEC that says you're disqualified because you're running a business!
Chickens are coming home to roost for Modidima. His jealousy and hatred of Mpofu pops up at every turn.
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Thank you Terry for your Expert interpretation
That Modidima guys hate pres Zuma, he always anaylsis negetive about him. His career is fading shame.
Terry statement is legally sound than the legal expert
I'm not a fan of Mpofu but I have to give both men credit, yesterday we were really schooled from both advocates.
😂😂Modidima agree u are lost sir hard luck sir u can't know everything
Mr Tselane dealt with the guy, facts centred argument
🎉🎉😂ZUMA IS ON THE BALLOT BASHLAMA 🖤💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤
As a legal expert one need not to demonstrate a reasonable apprehension of biased against those they do not like. The analysis must be fair.
Terry Tselane knows his story. The "legal expert" doesn't know 😂😂
That's the problem with these so-called media experts, they don't know what they are talking about.
What does the word democracy means and why cant we leave democracy and ask the judiciary to choose the President good people stop abusing us
Mr Tselane is talking about something he knows he practised, not an opinion ❤
A slap in the face of a so called lawyer.
Terry told them and they didn't listen 😅
The issue is confused and requires attention from Parliament to correct and streamline it.
This is a judiciary matter not cabinet matters.
The law can't change today mainly because of Zuma
Law will not change but will be properly interpreted 😂😂😂
if people want to change the law because of ZUMA, they are entitled to, it is people power,
@@jameskillu9171 Maybe if you listen to arguments with some understanding than you learn a thing or 2 rather than listening with emotions and hatred
ANC must not use the law to fight against Zuma
They must learn law above all@@nkosingiphilegasa5564
Mr Terry Tselane is the best when its coming to the IEC code of Conduct not sure about this other gentle man ,he's mumbling .
Maybe the problem is how you comprehend
We better wait for the court decision, don't we?
Uke washo Musa
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Terry Tselane is a seasoned IEC expert, and he is very clear in redpeft if separation of powers in theee institutions National Assemnly, courts and IEC.
But he can’t differentiate between people in employ of the State and people in service of the state 😂
Modidima is correct 👌 and Terry just favor Zuma and ignore the law,the law will not change just to favor Zuma, noooooooo
The problem with many people they want everyone to hate Zuma like them to the extent of ignoring facts. Terry is looking at what the law says.
But any organ of state must have authority to implement sections of the law, Adv. Thembeka failed to prove that IEC was eligible to do that
Thatha Msholozi , thatha Umhlanganyelwa wat were usaying pls stop the hate against the ppls person
Sorry you lost today
Don't use hate emotions but be factual... Truth will not change to favour hatred ...
Terry Tselane you must be a Chairperson of the IEC not the present Chairperson shame on him for blundering 😂😂😂😂
Modidi Manya schooled again❤
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He must go home and play with his grand children
The guy is got followers leave him alone
Who tells you what to do with your own life?
Who told you Zuma's grand children are bored, like yours 😂😂
Tell all those grannies and grandpapas in parliament that too.
@@Dazzle-pf7ylhe is leading the blind
So Adv Mannya didn't read section 47 of the Electoral Act. Why would you ask him to come and give an opinion on an electoral act interpretation.
No it’s tselani who doesn’t understand it
@@MfanafuthiMkhize-pe1mf do you still say Tselane was wrong in his assertion of Electotal Act and IEC overreach?
Zuma the master genius ngeke bamkhone no wonder bo Zondo came with laws that are not in the constitution to get to Zuma
Next time ...Please bring us a legal Expert who have done his Homework...
Terry is clear and precise madidima is taking a chance
WHO IS THIS MAN MODIDIMA MANIY? IS HE A LAWYER? ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT, FAIR, UNBIAS AND UNDERSTANDABLE ANALYSIS. I WOULD RATHER HIRE THIS MAN INSTEAD OF MPOFU AND OTHER INCOMPETENT
What's happening to Mpofu is a great example that you can never satisfy everybody. Just last week Mpofu won against the IEC on the trademark case and people were saying he was brilliant. Now people are saying he is a terrible lawyer. I can assure you that he wins most of his cases, many which don't involve political figures. But people who are narrow visionsed will take 4 or 5 cases that are in the media spotlight that he loses and they will say he is a terrible lawyer while ignoring the 20 cases dealing with ordinary men and women in the street that he wins. So, my advice is that you must develop a thick skin because you will never please everyone. You can win 50 cases and lose 5 but people will always complain about the 5😂..let us not be narrow minded
What does the bill of right says?
@@siphesihletom4933 Mpofu won by default. The ANC lost the case on technical issues. The MK Party registered with IEC. Time lapsed without any objection from the ANC.
Did we once had a prisoner for 27yrs who became a President in this country? Was he convicted on a criminal or civil case? Did the conviction qualify him to be a president? Somebody please school me on this!
@@siphesihletom4933I AM SURE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WON'T AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DO RESPECT YOUR VIEW. ALSO LOOK AT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CASES. FOR THE COMPLEX CASES HE NOT ONLY ALWAYS LOSE BUT COMES UP WITH NON-SENSES, QUESTIONABLE FOR A LAWYER. HE ALWAYS LACKS INTERPRETATION.
NEXT TIME NEWZROOM,PLEASE WRITE (LEGAL ANALYST ) NEXT TO SOME OF THESE GUESTS' NAMES ..COS CLEARLY SOME R NOT "EXPERTS"..PLEASE
Legend has it Mr Tselane has been crying for 2 hours now
This is an issue of law and should be treated as such. I think the legal analyst should have commented base on law and the effect of law to this matter. Emotions must be placed aside.
Some legal analysis ar questionable such a poor analysis
Both sides? Or which one of the 2
@@sthembisombuyane1440 there's one legal analyst on this video the other one is an IEC expert!
If you say a person was arrested then that person must be charged , go to court and have a charge sheet that will have a number?
Zuma won Mhlanganyelwa Baba Gedlehlikisa Msholozi u are born to be a leader the Nation.
Mdidi manya must stop this hatred
IEC must monitor votes register parties give results finish and klaar????
And less stress 😅
what is Zuma guilty for and what was he charged for? You seem to know all the judicial laws when it comes to Zuma why...anyways let's vote for change and change is any other party but not ANC
Parly cannot cancel sentence nor can president . He can pardon or reduce but cannot change what the court had concluded. The sentence stands but bcoz of pardon he served less sentence. The record will never say he was sentenced 3 months, never
Uyabheda hlala phansi
@@user-zc4zp7gi2x let's wait and see. Nank amehlo.
Shameful, a so called legal expert got schooled.
I am just very dissapointed to some Media houses who were all over the place before Court outcomes ( except SABC) but after ruling dololo with thier tons of Experts
FORMER IEC DOESNT UNDERSTAND ???
😂😂😂 doesn't understand what?
Court agrees with him 😂😂😂😂
Tselani doesn't know the law🚶➡️🚶➡️
Legal expert 😂🤣 his having chest pain.
Mr Terry Tselane you never showed us your taking sides
Appointed and employed is different now?English is improving.I thought deployment and employment are different .
good analysis from Modidima
Your very lost 😂😂😂
Terry tells the truth. This Modidima must stop hating Zuma and stick to his job
Anti Zuma legal expect
Zuma needs a rest, this move not good for him. Why keep on hurting himself emotionally.., TOO OLD NOW.
Hawu, guys who gave you the right to tell what other people should do with their lives...??😅
@@senzomemela1311 But it's a fact I'm afraid. A health issue can't be taken lightly. Not so long ago he had to be paroled due to ill health. Zuma is taking a big risk with his health unfortunately.
Zuma is correcting the bias in the system.
@@matobakomotsoahole8215 it is non of your business , this is politics don't bother yourself too much with it...All these politicians don't even hate each other, the way we hate... it's just an act...to all of them it's just business/ money, ...focus on loving God, yourself and your family, soon you'll start to love and respect everyone...then you'll be happy....all politicians do not care about you...
@@senzomemela1311 You're completely way off the mark, no element of hatred given what I've written. It is my business to express myself politically in a midst of current affairs and whether a politician loves or anyhow is mindful of me or not is immaterial, I am entitled to a political opinion whether you like it or not. After all not everyone is impressed about the legacy Zuma left behind after nine years of being a head of state. Some politician have been uncovered to be corrupt liars anyway.
20 years of experience
MAYBE ZUMA WILL WIN TO AVOID LOOTING AND CHAOS 😂
Truth HURTS,truth akways play a backline,not front line.
In short,LIES will attract those who hate the TRUTH.
Peoples shall govern not the the courts viva mk
Mr. Terry Tselane always has FAIRNESS.
No pliz court should rule zuma out we are scared with him pliz help us siyacela.
Which section of the constitution did Mr Mannya read? He is exposing himself for his ignorance in this debate
"Legal expert". Im happy because he is not my legal advicer. IEC and Parliament rules are not the same.
Justice is not justice if it favors the ones with big pockets. The average man would have spent the full fifteen months in prison, and he would certainly be denied even employment, even if that means he would have to resort to even worst than just contempt of court. But am happy that Zuma has won, this will certainly keep the peace in KZN and parts of Gauteng
The score is currently 3 MK & 0 ANC 😅😅😅😅😅
Modidima Mannya kade ngamubona lobaba ukuthi udla insangu kakhulu ingakho ephithana ekhanda
I agree with Terry, Modidima’s interpretation is fundamentally flawed.
I said I'm shaking already sebebulalana bebanga izikhundla nama tender
Its clear, the court has set aside IEC's de decision Simply as that. If we trusted our courts before simpy means the same now- accept results and move on. Both IEC and MK were given a chance to argue fairly.
FOR ME, AS MODIDIMA SAYS, EVEN WITHOUT THE NEED TO READ THE PART OF THE LAW, IT IS CLEAR THAT MOST OF RIGHTS AND OBLIGATION IN THE CONSTITUITION OR SPECIFIC LAWS, ARE TO BE IMPLEMENTED BY ANY PART THAT DEALS WIT A PARTICULAR MATTER. THUS, IF THE LAW SETS A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT OR PROHIBITS SOMETHING, THIS HAS TO BE VERIFIED UPON WITHOUT NEED TO GO TO A COURT.
I've never ever liked his law analyst ever, I really don't know how he become being a law analyst this mr Modidima.
This guy was an advocate now an attorney. Lol
I agree with Terry on one aspect of Section 47. Anyone who is appointed by, or is in service of the state and receives remuneration for that is not eligible (47(1)(a)). But my question is who takes that decision on eligibility because the right to elect rests with the voter, and such should be left to the voter, within the limitations set by the constitution, and not second-guessed by the National Assembly. So, it follows that some structure should take that decision on eligibility based on whether the person is in compliance with the constitutional prescripts in the first place before it gets to the voters. I think that body is the IEC -- unless another structure has been designated to do so by law. I still think that eligibility must be adjudged by the IEC. The Constitutional Court must give a ruling on this so that Parliament can develop legislation to give effect to Section 47, in the same way it has provided PAJA, for example, to give effect to the Bill of Rights in the Constitution.
Since when Advocates base the intepretation of law on a "bottom line". I mean an interpretative bottom line, on a matter that requires definitive standing. Then whose's bottom line is indeed a societal bottom line. This guy is far from being a legal expert, not even a legal practitioner.
The IEC has got nothing to do with court matters???
The argument Of MK was, The IEC job is to lookout after elections to make sure they are free and fair and to deliver results "NOT" to select and decide on who should or not be a party leader and who must be a member of paliment, they say that is the job of the national assembly on the first day of paliment sitting.
It goes like this, after election there are 0 parliament members no speaker or anyone , then the Chief justice gets to chair a meeting where he gets to swear in all party members then after it is those members who gets to elect a national assembly speaker. Then it is the speaker who then looks into the members of who qualifies to be there and who must be kicked out , "Not " the IEC
Lmao!🤣🤣🤣 Mr Terry Tselane dealing decisively with Modidimi Manya🤣🤣🤣. Modidimi is just making an argument maybe because he does not like Zuma, but the law is straight forward. lol just loving Iman's face right there🤣🤣🤣
Once you reach a certain age, you should present like it, even in your attack against your enemy. Lotata uyarhuda
Surely u dealt with the section for 20 yrs and that is why we had such irregularities during your term , and anyway were removed because of incompetence and corruption
ANC FACTIONS trying hard to be against Zuma.
IEC doesn't do due diligence. One must first object then they do due diligence. Imagine if every candidate qualifies for national assembly only to find out that national assembly disqualifies them. Do we go back to the ballot or the current national assembly continues😅🤷🏾♂️
Modidima: JZ never appeared in court for this. So, what crime did he commit? A commission is not a court. Shame, modidima. Go back to law school.
The former IEC talking by complesant , and he must be corrupts
But the law is so unfare if you are civil sarvent they find that you have a cfiminal record they disquilify you for the positin that you qualify for
Who would employ you with a criminal record - no matter how qualified you are - when you commit a crime you DISQUALIFY YOURSELF - from taking any position involving people, money, or any personal documentation that involves the privacy of any person whose information can be used in the commission of a crime. Once a judgement has been recorded against you it’s for life, no passport, no overseas travel, no nothing. Go learn a trade.
Zuma has won I was with terry stelane all the way his analysis is straight forward
This Terry guy has a lot of violence 😂😂😂😂modidimi has to avoid television 😅
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Modidima is completely out of depth. He is being lectured here for free by Ntate Tselane. You can’t argue with people who are emotional like Khampempe.
Modidima is lost
Lawyers distort the law and want to be all over, which is abuse of power conferred to them in respect of interpretation of statutes.
Who start this war ANC now we are trying like a baby this Rubbish ANC
😂 Where are those hu were supporting this analysis saying Zuma will fail this bid ....Umhlanganyelwa has won mk❤
Teri objections are a jurisdictional factor to whether section 47 should be applied or not. Once objections are raised IEC is obliged to look at them and decide. Teri has just revealed how ignorant and incompetent individuals like him have run IEC for three decades.
Terry is sticking to the law nothing personal and as a result a lot of you will be disappointed... But it's okay you will be strong
😂😂😂😂 president Zuma is teaching
@@makhanyikubheka2207 yes u are right if u mean jungle law.
@@isintu1044 no joke his flamboyant ignorance on steroids has stretched our jurisprudence. We know now that statements like "take a shower to wash HIV" are not imperical evidence in rape matters. May Kwezi's soul rest in peace.
Mr Modidima was not prepared for this interview. He must really hate Zuma or someone is paying him to oppose anything Zuma😂
Мистер Зума победил, и забавно, что эти злые люди старались изо всех сил, но потерпели неудачу... 29 мая Южная Африка уже никогда не будет прежней.
Zuma u mast come back on president ❤❤❤❤
These are what they educated people 😏
Shem mdidi thought he is a law master mind
Mannya is no expert in legal matters
Terry is right your other guest is questionable
When law becomes science
Modidima is using common sense. He speaks what he wants to see happening. He is not even making reference to law.
Amend the constitution in this case so certain peoples can be happy. If that's is ok for everyone. We risk becoming a banana republic, if we are not already are.
Chest pains are killing Mannya
Madidimane when you talk of people that are insolvent, is your father Cyril Lephalaphala Ramanyusa an honest leader to you....ngazokhuluma ukunya wena....that man dug graves during covid showing he doesn't care about muntu omnyama, we loved ANC but isehlule ngobuxoki..its time for change and yith esizozikhulula..if DEMOCRACY exist svumeleni sizikhethele umholi ofunwa ithina ay lo othengwa abo Rubert
VIVA Zuma VIVA. VIVA Dali Mpofu VIVA.. . Wish you always the best to look for your Rights.