Proctor has ancestors who were Salem Witches...I believe Jen McCabre is also a Witch & put a spell on Peggy & Paul O'Keefe family and jury! The Albert's are MASONS ‼️💥💣💣💣
@@MValleysMostWanted91 Ask the Alberts how that happened. The two ARCCA guys were clear ... John's injuries don't align with being hit by a vehicle. Tail lights are made of polycarbonate. That's not cheap plastic. Can they break? Sure. But more likely on a solid, immobile item- like a wall, or another car. But on a fleshy human being that MOVES with a hit? No way. So how in the heck ... does Karen hit John hard enough for the tail light to break? And in the arm of all places? Because if the tail light didn't hit his arm, then how did the shards supposedly slice up that arm? And funny enough ... the arm isn't bruised nor any bones broken. Does that makes sense to you? A car that's thousands of pounds of force ... hits him in the arm ... the plastic breaks to slice up the skin, but nothing gets bruised, nor broken within the arm? That is some miracle! And if you say the car didn't hit his arm ... then how in the heck did the tail light slice up that arm? Where did it hit him? Because there was no blunt force trauma below the neck. If she hit him ... and he fell backward causing the gash in the back of the head ... how did he get the cut above his eye? If the prosecution's made up story doesn't fit ... we must acquit!
Massachusetts needs to clean up the way that they conduct themselves from the judges to the prosecutors to the cops and investigators and frankly the district attorneys
@@Smarzie7769no not “just like every other country in the country”. This is injustice up and down. The “evidence” doesn’t matter in Texas, if the ME report says the Manner of Death is UNDETERMINED- no charges can be filed
They are under fbi investigation for several reasons and it is getting even deeper and wider!! Major corruption in canton!! Chis A is on the canton special council! Even after killing a man in 1994, leaving the scene, turned himself in the next day! He got 6 months in prison and I think 2 yrs probation! Yeah, if that wasn’t a mcalbert it would have been minimum 10 yrs!
Alan Jackson nor David Yanetti would put their names on those affidavits if it wasn’t beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100% factually true. Not a chance in hell.
What ever happened to getting it right. It looks as though they are bound and bent on putting an innocent person in jail. I would not want to live anywhere near that state 😅
If something is unconstitutional it overrides everything. It’s not too late to poll the jury to see if they unanimously voted 12-0 Not Guilty to Counts 1 & 3 bc the Judge dropped the ball and didn’t do it - bc of double jeopardy.
@@user-sd3hb2mw9dright!!!!! I took am sick of these "Govt Employees negligence due to their own corruption" - then walking with handsome retirements that people in the private sector DON'T EVEN GET THESE DAYS!! The entire premise of these RETIREMENT PACKAGES WERE MIRRORED 🪞 AFTER THE PRIVATE COMPANIES - So the govt could attract viable employees.... Well this is all OFF BALANCE NOW!!!! Govt. Employees retirements are going to sink America's economy it's not sustainable 🤬 Allegedly 21% OF BUDGET GOES TO RETIREMENTS - BUT ADMITS THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW 😳😳😳😳
Good question, we should all take note and begin to take our legal system more seriously. I have a hard time only bashing Canton for these issues. They are endemic throughout our US justice system.
My thoughts, exactly! This is what Jackson argued about. Judge Bev acted as if Jackson was being petty but she was just gas lighting him! Each charge should have a simple guilty AND not guilty check box. By omitting the not guilty check boxes and adding an all inclusive not guilty at the top (which would have been an easy check for me) the trial is more likely to end in a mistrial on all 3 charges and can be retried again on all charges. This is clearly done on purpose!
@@Magical-Unicornyes! And a side note that bothered me was when Judge Bev read out her curative instruction it was ridiculously wordy and complicated, I think she did that on purpose, it could have been stated much more simply. The jurors were apparently very confused about those forms as written in the motion by Jackson. I wonder if the forms and instructions were very clear would they have hung? It seems it is possible but I can’t for the life of me understand why.
I’m from Mass and followed as a juror. I didn’t see anything prior to trial. I found it absolutely bizarre she never asked if they had a verdict on any of the counts or if they were deadlocked on all 3. It was so weird to me.
Ya but how did you follow? Did you watch all the law tube lawyers with their commentary and recaps? Because that's not watching like a juror. Because they don't have professionals describing what meant what daily. Just saying.
I thought she was going to poll them but she only polled them on being hung , she didn’t break it down per charge , she didn’t give the defense an opportunity to talk
Judge Bev should have recused herself from the get go. Her father represented Chris Albert in a hit and run DUI case years ago. She did not recuse. So… she needs to be extremely transparent in all of the follow through on this… I think she will be. Her rep. Is on the line…
Karen read , which could be any one of us, is not just fighting the Charges, even more she is fighting Corruption and as we see.. the Judge is not excluding herself from it.
Yeah apparently it’s normal not to poll in MA. But I definitely would think she would have found out during their private discussion, that’s a bit odd to me, unless she didn’t ask about each charge and in that case that is also odd to me. Especially since it was clearly confusing for the jury.
No juror wants to go public without their identities being protected in that mess. Too much harassment. They should bring the jury in and ask them each in private. Not sure how it will end up mattering if the mistrial can't be undone though.
I went into the trial thinking she must be guilty- they must have the evidence to prove it. Within 2 weeks I was convinced she HADN’T done it. I don’t know what happened but that group of people in the house were determined to cover SOMETHING!
The 1st I tuned in, on the stand with prosecutions turn, was the guy she was basically luring to be her parachute in the demise of her existing relationship. I knew nothing about any of it and that's where I got pulled in. And like you, despite what a dispicable example of a woman she was with her behaviors, I'm glad she had the money and the ability to defend herself because the evidence sure adds up to support her allegations. I live out west and thr power peoples families have only been here 100 years at the most.
Its been said about Morrisey that he cant survive this “Its been an embarrassment for Da office, embarrassment for State Police , its an embarrassment for local Police across the board. - And now we have Judge Bev being deceitful about Jury findings.. Too much.. 2 out of 3 charges were Unanimously Not Guilty.
@@bethmccrae2714 AT least its been said on WCVB Channel 5 boston.. , but i get what you mean. They are acting like they certainly can survive any of the stuff infuriating the public. O hey where is fbi.
FBI has a 20 year investigation on Canton&Stoughton PD- They will indict The Alberts&Proctor with their 3,074 page report which includes Karen Read case, Brian Walsh case & Sandra Birchmore case‼️
FBI has a 20 year investigation on Canton&Stoughton PD- They will indict The Alberts&Proctor with their 3,074 page report which includes Karen Read, Brian Walsh & Sandra Birchmore cases‼️
At one point, Judge Beverly Cannone told the jurors, "I am giving you verbal instructions, and I am giving you written instructions. If there is a difference between my verbal instructions and the written instructions, you are to follow my verbal instructions." Wait, what?
Right?! How are they supposed to remember the verbal instructions? I would think the written instructions would be more correct but I guess not. So odd.
@terval52 disHonorable Beverley and Meatball, from their parents humble beginnings as school Cafeteria workers to their children corruptly manipulating the.judicial system in Norfolk County.
The science proved her vehicle was not the weapon. She has no strong fists or strong arms. She has no evil temper and remember she was his girlfriend. A man wanted her. That man was at the party. That man encouraged him to attend the house party. That man and the house owner had weird communications and both destroyed their phones the day before they each got a preservation order served on them. Someone told them it was coming. Someone therefore gave them that warning. The reason why? Yet people still think Karen somehow smashed in his head and cracked his skull in 3 places by cracking her taillight reversing into him. Go try reverse a Lexus LX570 for 65 feet and see how fast you can get it up to. Impossible in 65 feet. Zero to 65 feet around 17mph.
If it's proven, she doesn't get a choice to accept it or not. Sucks to be her. Hope she is held accountable AND appropriately punished. How many old cases need to be reopened in Canton?
Ya but the defense wanted a mistrial. They have never been shy going up against the judge, and didn't say anything except congratulate one another. I think the judge should have polled the jurors and should Not have given the lawyers only an hour to do closing arguments. I'm on Karen Read's side, so I think this is important, but I think he (AJ) missed the opportunity, but had to say this in this filing for the record.
@@calliew311Yeah totally agree. I also was thinking that since 3 jurors that were pretty obviously pro Karen were either dismissed or became an alternate the defence felt that they wouldn’t get their full acquittal and probably thought a mistrial would be the best outcome so they didn’t bother pushing any further. Either way he did miss an opportunity there and Judge Bev absolutely should have polled the jury. I could be wrong but surely she polled them in private or at least found out what the split was and for what charge.
@@calliew311I doubt they had any idea 2 of the 3 charges had been agreed on. That, by definition is NOT a mistrial. It was the judges job to be clear on instructions (which she wasnt) and make sure there actually was a mistrial.
Judge Bev needed to read and ask the jury for Guilty or No Guilty on Each Charge. as they were 3. How the heck did she Ommitt that 2 Out of 3 Charges were Unanimous Not Guilty? is this some Proctor level kind of Unethical Shenanigans? Dirty to the last drop ..
Every trial I have watched its the judge that asks counsel if they want the jury polled so this was strange as I got impression from Judge that jury deadlocked on every charge
Judge wants Karen in prison, she's been biased from beginning. She didn't poll the jury which covered up the 2 not guilty verdicts. Jury was very upset at judge because JUDGE REFUSED JURY'S REQUEST FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION OF VERDICT FORMS . JACKSON HAD OBJECTED TO THE FORMS FROM BEGINNING.
VP when it comes to analysis, clarity & reporting, etc. you are second to none! Sounds like there is great potential for proper justice to prevail in the Commonwealth of MA.
Yes except he didn't pick up on the fact that the judge did not ask to clarify what the jury meant in their letter. After all, its just about a murder, that's all, no big deal for her. LOL
Judge Bev’s instructions may have confused the jury and that could’ve been a factor with them having trouble agreeing. If they voted not guilty for charge 1 & 3 why wasn’t that said ? I hope they talk to the jurors and get to the bottom of this mess.
That' stupid document was confusing. Let's face it. I think the debate was spent on the lesser charges. But they obviously didn't know they could check more than 1 box, not guilty and then click the other boxes as Well, it wasn't made clear to them obviously And the judge really dropped the ball by not clarifying that , a d then I couldn't believe how quickly without taking a breath that she wanted to declare mistrial and Pencil in a date for the next hearing, just like that!
Can a higher power come in and correct Auntie Bev's behavior and get back to the jury verdict? She prematurely called a mistrial. Why can't that be retracted based on new information from the jury???
In Arizona jurors are allowed to question the one testifying. Also when the trial ended the judge asked us if we minded if both the defense and prosecutors could also ask us questions like what did we believe. One of the witnesses we actually told both that we thought one of the witnesses against the defense was not credible. So yes it is in AZ. Both trials I served on.
The KR Defense did not file sworn affidavits of the “alleged” jurors attesting to those “alleged” assertions. Until those affidavits are filed and the jurors take the stand and attest to such and to be cross examined, the allegations are exactly that and by law are deemed “hearsay”. In any event, this matter (if true and proven) would indicate in the least, the jury believed KR hit JO with her SUV regardless - Vehicular Manslaughter (265-13, mandatory min 5 years - max 20 years and fines up to $25,000).
When do you ever sleep vinny!! You from jersey, you from jersey!! Great shows and my wife and i watch you all the time!! Keep up to the great reporting!! We are from massachusetts or taxachusetts as people here call it!! We dont know where the tax money goes because the roads are terrible and the schools are broke but state employees who get their jobs from nepotism and live very comfortable from their pensions!! Even when corrupt cops and state workers are busted for various criminal offensives they get to keep their pensions!! Most of our tax money in this state goes to these kinds of people, not food stamps and welfare, section 8 housing people! At least the karen read case has brought it to the nations eyes! Its not an election year so the new governor probably wont do anything until maybe her re election year but that might be too late for her!!
@@Kkaayy111 Not necessarily. This jury was obviously very confused. One of the lesser included charges was especially confusing. I would not be surprised to discover it was that one lesser included charge that they were hung on.
Once a mistrial was announced the case was over. Since, no verdict was reached and Karen was not found guilty or not guilty on any charges, she can be charged again! It is as if hit never happened. Double jeopardy does not apply.
@@SJG321 I know!! It will be so interesting to see what happens. I am guessing Bev will stick to her guns. There was a similar case "Bluebird vs. Arkansas" where the same thing happened. The judge ruled that since no verdict was reached double jeopardy did not apply.
@@denisesanders3983 I would not be surprised if that is what happens because the judge gets to do what she wants. But then, they'll appeal and eventually it will get in front of a fair and impartial judge and then we'll see what happens.
Blueford v. Arkansas, 566 U.S. 599 (2012), was a decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that clarified the limits of the Double Jeopardy Clause. The Supreme Court held that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not bar retrial of counts that a jury had previously unanimously voted to acquit on, when a mistrial is declared after the jury deadlocked on a lesser included offense.
The form is part of the court record, so it would be trivial for the defense to see if there was a signed "not guilty" form. More likely they didn't fill out the form and there was no prompt to the jury to document anything for charges where they had reached unanimity. Still possible the folks leaning guilty on charge 2 were only on board for not guilty with 1 and 3 if the others agreed to guilty on 2.
@MichaelOnines What part of the affidavit gave you the impression that they only all agreed to not guilty on the murder charge as a bargain? The quote from the juror and text message from the other juror seem to be stating they never believed the Commonwealth proved murder 2.
I looked up Bluford vs Arkansas and it basically says that in the case of a mistrial the charges that they agreed upon are not a formal verdict which means it does NOT constitute double jeopardy. In other words, they can retry her on all 3 charges again.
The defense current motion (if proven true) would indicate in the least, all the jurors did not believe the defense’s theory but did believe that KR hit JO with her SUV (unintentionally), drove away and left him to die. (Alleged) Juror quote: “None of us thought she hit him on purpose”. Count 2 - Vehicular Manslaughter (265-13, mandatory min 5 years to max 20 years. Fines > $25k).
The Defense did not file sworn affidavits of the “alleged” jurors attesting to those “alleged” assertions. Until those affidavits are filed and the jurors take the stand and attest to such and to be cross examined, the allegations are exactly that and by law are deemed “hearsay”. In any event, this matter (if true and proven) would indicate in the least, some of the jurors believed KR hit JO with her SUV regardless - Vehicular Manslaughter (265-13, mandatory min 5 years - max 20 years and fines up to $25,000).
No, it would show that "some" jurors believe that she may have hit him with her car, but there was still debate on that. All of the physical evidence is questionable at best.
I honestly believe that the jury was scared to say anything or write anything that might be “against the rules.” I know I would have been very careful responding to anything without someone asking me specific questions. Then they told them not to vote immediately then also told not to fill out the form until you have come to all conclusions, sounds confusing to me
I have seen a case where the jury empassed and agree to 2 counts the judge put into order both counts were found NG. So the CW only could retry on the 3rd count.
Did the jury really not know what to do? OR did the incredibly knowledgeable and articulate foreman know EXACTLY what he was doing and chose NOT to include the split was only on one count, in an attempt to cause KR to be retried on all counts. Would be really interesting to know which way the foreman was leaning... and also WHY he was selected BEFORE the alternate were chosen. Seemed dodgy from that point and like Bev hand picked a juror!
@BoxerClover The new move wordless McAlbert familiar. I kinda like it punchdrunk,.like when your buddy gave Beverley her forever name. Auntie Bev And to think this criminal cabal all started in the Quiny Public School cafeteria over a vat of Mac and cheese more than 40 years ago.
Hello Mr. Vinny, thank you for covering this case. Appreciate it. Judge Bev, knows exactly what she’s doing ….she sent the jury off to deliberate Without explaining a word and it would be confusing she knew that thanks again Kim🇬🇧
This KR Defense Motion contradicts the jury foreman’s note to the judge, including the jury was deadlocked (split - never be able to make a decision). Defense called for a mistrial. No one asked for a verdict on a count/s, and that they would take a verdict on that count/s, and on the count/s they were hung on a mistrial would be declared. It’s possibly a publicity stunt and buying time (delay, delay, delay) and putting pressure on the prosecution.
Some1 named Debbie said in the live chat "very unethical defence " seems like there are too many people who's heads are clamped up those McAlbs behinds....
There is no chance this Judge will admit she screwed up.
AGREED
I think the defense is lying exaggerating like with it's unproven conspiracies
agreed.
@@sunshine22723why would they as they are going to have to prove it.
@@sunshine22723😂
If you don't know she's innocent by the science then it's just an old witch hunt.
Proctor has ancestors who were Salem Witches...I believe Jen McCabre is also a Witch & put a spell on Peggy & Paul O'Keefe family and jury! The Albert's are MASONS ‼️💥💣💣💣
Then what happened??
How did John O'Keefes body end up incompacitated on that front lawn?
@@MValleysMostWanted91he was offed..... In that house!
@@MValleysMostWanted91 Ask the Alberts how that happened.
The two ARCCA guys were clear ... John's injuries don't align with being hit by a vehicle.
Tail lights are made of polycarbonate. That's not cheap plastic. Can they break? Sure. But more likely on a solid, immobile item- like a wall, or another car. But on a fleshy human being that MOVES with a hit? No way. So how in the heck ... does Karen hit John hard enough for the tail light to break? And in the arm of all places? Because if the tail light didn't hit his arm, then how did the shards supposedly slice up that arm? And funny enough ... the arm isn't bruised nor any bones broken. Does that makes sense to you? A car that's thousands of pounds of force ... hits him in the arm ... the plastic breaks to slice up the skin, but nothing gets bruised, nor broken within the arm? That is some miracle!
And if you say the car didn't hit his arm ... then how in the heck did the tail light slice up that arm? Where did it hit him? Because there was no blunt force trauma below the neck. If she hit him ... and he fell backward causing the gash in the back of the head ... how did he get the cut above his eye?
If the prosecution's made up story doesn't fit ... we must acquit!
Massachusetts needs to clean up the way that they conduct themselves from the judges to the prosecutors to the cops and investigators and frankly the district attorneys
Just like every county in every state of this nation.
@@Smarzie7769no not “just like every other country in the country”. This is injustice up and down. The “evidence” doesn’t matter in Texas, if the ME report says the Manner of Death is UNDETERMINED- no charges can be filed
And then go state by state.
They are under fbi investigation
for several reasons and it is getting even deeper and wider!! Major corruption in canton!!
Chis A is on the canton special council! Even after killing a man in 1994, leaving the scene, turned himself in the next day! He got 6 months in prison and I think 2 yrs probation! Yeah, if that wasn’t a mcalbert it would have been minimum 10 yrs!
❗️💯❗️❗️❗️I HOPE OTHER JURORS SPEAK UP AND SAY IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT ❗️💯❗️❗️❗️
Alan Jackson nor David Yanetti would put their names on those affidavits if it wasn’t beyond a shadow of a doubt, 100% factually true. Not a chance in hell.
That s exactly what Mr Jackson was fighting with the judge: the jury form made is such format not to make things clear but to confuse the jurors
Yes!
They were very clear. That’s a cop out
I thought Mr. Jackson argued about that and got the ballot changed like he thought it should be?
@@jfk32975I think it was just count 2 that was confusing for them.
@@bethfromarkansas7190heck no. She came up with an alternative solution instead.
What ever happened to getting it right. It looks as though they are bound and bent on putting an innocent person in jail. I would not want to live anywhere near that state 😅
God Bless Texas
@@LovetheLed I live in TX & I just have to say that we have more than our share of problems here! Every state had it's own issues. 🤷🏼♀️
They are doing it to protect the real culprits.
@@TrendyTopiques I LIVE IN ILLIOIS ITS EVERY WHERE!
Taxechusettes is a terrible place to live no doubt. I live 20 minutes from the MA border and I stay on my side for a reason.
Very sneaky judge and DA
Sneaky cops & witnesses too!
I heard auntie Bev’s mom use to work with Moresi’s wife.. and she has other connections to the McAlberts..
@@AR-dm7ud It seems to just go on and on. If there was a “Most Corrupt Small Town,” would Canton win?
They need to ask the Jury and end all of this mess
No shit sherlock.
To late. They already submitted their paperwork
This jury did not sign or fill in the slip. The judge called it a miss trial.
@@Homengineer-artist No kidding
If something is unconstitutional it overrides everything. It’s not too late to poll the jury to see if they unanimously voted 12-0 Not Guilty to Counts 1 & 3 bc the Judge dropped the ball and didn’t do it - bc of double jeopardy.
Bev needs to resign before she embarrasses herself further than she already has!
If she did commit this act, she shouldn't be allowed to resign and keep any form of a pension. She should be removed and fired!
@@user-sd3hb2mw9dright!!!!! I took am sick of these "Govt Employees negligence due to their own corruption" - then walking with handsome retirements that people in the private sector DON'T EVEN GET THESE DAYS!! The entire premise of these RETIREMENT PACKAGES WERE MIRRORED 🪞 AFTER THE PRIVATE COMPANIES - So the govt could attract viable employees.... Well this is all OFF BALANCE NOW!!!!
Govt. Employees retirements are going to sink America's economy it's not sustainable 🤬 Allegedly 21% OF BUDGET GOES TO RETIREMENTS - BUT ADMITS THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW 😳😳😳😳
Embarrassing herself is an understatement, she soiled herself and the bench with it. Sorry but not sorry.
Aunt Bev may be a witness now. She may have to recuse herself as the judge 🤔
From what I understand an Apealate judge can rule on this issue but Aunt Bec will still be judge on next trial unfortunately
Well, I hope the defense attorneys continue to file motions to have her removed‼️🙏
Get off the bench🎉
How may innocent people have been railroaded in Canton? OUTRAGEOUS
Good question, we should all take note and begin to take our legal system more seriously. I have a hard time only bashing Canton for these issues. They are endemic throughout our US justice system.
It would be scary to live there. 🤔
Scarry! I even called family members in MA to ask how far do they live from Canton.
Terrifying. Canton is markedly Corrupt
More like how many crimes have the Mass Hill Billys gotten away with.
Bev knew what she was doing instructions should have been clear on each charge
My thoughts, exactly! This is what Jackson argued about. Judge Bev acted as if Jackson was being petty but she was just gas lighting him! Each charge should have a simple guilty AND not guilty check box. By omitting the not guilty check boxes and adding an all inclusive not guilty at the top (which would have been an easy check for me) the trial is more likely to end in a mistrial on all 3 charges and can be retried again on all charges. This is clearly done on purpose!
@@Magical-Unicornyes! And a side note that bothered me was when Judge Bev read out her curative instruction it was ridiculously wordy and complicated, I think she did that on purpose, it could have been stated much more simply. The jurors were apparently very confused about those forms as written in the motion by Jackson. I wonder if the forms and instructions were very clear would they have hung? It seems it is possible but I can’t for the life of me understand why.
I’m from Mass and followed as a juror. I didn’t see anything prior to trial. I found it absolutely bizarre she never asked if they had a verdict on any of the counts or if they were deadlocked on all 3. It was so weird to me.
Ya but how did you follow? Did you watch all the law tube lawyers with their commentary and recaps? Because that's not watching like a juror. Because they don't have professionals describing what meant what daily. Just saying.
Apparently the judge doesn't ask the jurors that in Mass.
@@calliew311I actually watched the trial and 90% of the witness testimony.
@@calliew311 court tv and law and crime streamed it
@@calliew311the jurors get to talk and discuss too
I thought she was going to poll them but she only polled them on being hung , she didn’t break it down per charge , she didn’t give the defense an opportunity to talk
Judge Bev should have recused herself from the get go. Her father represented Chris Albert in a hit and run DUI case years ago. She did not recuse. So… she needs to be extremely transparent in all of the follow through on this… I think she will be. Her rep. Is on the line…
I don't think she will be. Alot of judges have a God complex and Bias Bev comes across as one that does.
Auntie Bev is sooooo corrupt.
Karen read , which could be any one of us, is not just fighting the Charges, even more she is fighting Corruption and as we see.. the Judge is not excluding herself from it.
Absurd
Bev was rushing thru the whole trial, and she rushed to declaring a hung trial for this reason
at the least she is compromised
Jurors are regular people like all of us. Not lawyers these should be broken down to layman’s terms.
💯‼️regular people do not speak legalese…
Only a corrupt judge would not poll or after her personal discussion not disclose the jury's not guilty verdicts
they don't poll in MA
Yeah apparently it’s normal not to poll in MA. But I definitely would think she would have found out during their private discussion, that’s a bit odd to me, unless she didn’t ask about each charge and in that case that is also odd to me. Especially since it was clearly confusing for the jury.
Look up MA law. You most certainly can
I seem to remember the Judge asking prosecution and defense if they wanted the jury polled. Both declined. Am I wrong?
@@didee86 The judge never asked that.
Vinnie, you have the best personality!
I wonder how the Governor is feeling about appointing Bev.
I wonder how she would feel about removing her, unless she used to date her.
Jurors should go public.
No juror wants to go public without their identities being protected in that mess. Too much harassment. They should bring the jury in and ask them each in private. Not sure how it will end up mattering if the mistrial can't be undone though.
I went into the trial thinking she must be guilty- they must have the evidence to prove it. Within 2 weeks I was convinced she HADN’T done it. I don’t know what happened but that group of people in the house were determined to cover SOMETHING!
Me too.
The 1st I tuned in, on the stand with prosecutions turn, was the guy she was basically luring to be her parachute in the demise of her existing relationship. I knew nothing about any of it and that's where I got pulled in.
And like you, despite what a dispicable example of a woman she was with her behaviors, I'm glad she had the money and the ability to defend herself because the evidence sure adds up to support her allegations. I live out west and thr power peoples families have only been here 100 years at the most.
They were really confused…must of been Bevs juror sheet and instructions
Its been said about Morrisey that he cant survive this “Its been an embarrassment for Da office, embarrassment for State Police , its an embarrassment for local Police across the board. - And now we have Judge Bev being deceitful about Jury findings.. Too much.. 2 out of 3 charges were Unanimously Not Guilty.
Embarassment for MA residents not to mention Canton Ma - terrible
You are too gullible
@@bethmccrae2714 AT least its been said on WCVB Channel 5 boston.. , but i get what you mean. They are acting like they certainly can survive any of the stuff infuriating the public. O hey where is fbi.
@@bethmccrae2714😂
@@josephkain6213good ole Beth is trolling all the channels today 😂😂
There have been wayyy too many strange things in this trial.. its way past just coincidences.. WTAF is going on !!??
FBI has a 20 year investigation on Canton&Stoughton PD- They will indict The Alberts&Proctor with their 3,074 page report which includes Karen Read case, Brian Walsh case & Sandra Birchmore case‼️
FBI has a 20 year investigation on Canton&Stoughton PD- They will indict The Alberts&Proctor with their 3,074 page report which includes Karen Read, Brian Walsh & Sandra Birchmore cases‼️
Cop cover up from detectives to cops to DA to judge to witnesses
Everyone should go watch the video MicroDots just dropped a bit Auntie Bevs connection to Morrisey!! It will answer a few of your questions chat!!!
Aunt Bev’s Mom worked with Morrissey’s wife as a lunch lady at Quincy High School for many years.
@@Adrinaps10 Thank you!
Judge Bev an her condescending attitude and her bias and a player in the corruptness from he start to the finish
🐢🧃
I can’t believe that the judge still has the power even though she screwed up??
At one point, Judge Beverly Cannone told the jurors, "I am giving you verbal instructions, and I am giving you written instructions. If there is a difference between my verbal instructions and the written instructions, you are to follow my verbal instructions." Wait, what?
Right?! How are they supposed to remember the verbal instructions? I would think the written instructions would be more correct but I guess not. So odd.
When and on what day did she allegedly say that?
@@user-ji5gz5fu3gAfter closing, in her juryinstructions. Rewatch and you will hear if you are open for it..
Wow. I missed that.
@@evelynmahoney3569 We haven’t got proof it’s true as yet, so may be you didn’t miss it because it didn’t happen. I don’t recall it at all either.
She is not going to accept she did wrong.
How f do I’d she go wrong, hondo? There no proof! No photos , no investigation of the house.
Yes, the almighty judge cannot be questioned.
@terval52 disHonorable Beverley and Meatball, from their parents humble beginnings as school Cafeteria workers to their children corruptly manipulating the.judicial system in Norfolk County.
The science proved her vehicle was not the weapon. She has no strong fists or strong arms. She has no evil temper and remember she was his girlfriend. A man wanted her. That man was at the party. That man encouraged him to attend the house party. That man and the house owner had weird communications and both destroyed their phones the day before they each got a preservation order served on them. Someone told them it was coming. Someone therefore gave them that warning. The reason why? Yet people still think Karen somehow smashed in his head and cracked his skull in 3 places by cracking her taillight reversing into him. Go try reverse a Lexus LX570 for 65 feet and see how fast you can get it up to. Impossible in 65 feet. Zero to 65 feet around 17mph.
If it's proven, she doesn't get a choice to accept it or not. Sucks to be her. Hope she is held accountable AND appropriately punished.
How many old cases need to be reopened in Canton?
They NEED to cirrect this. Bev just blurted out 'mistrial'... bam its over, no opportunity for anyone to say or rebutt anything. BOGUS!!
Ya but the defense wanted a mistrial. They have never been shy going up against the judge, and didn't say anything except congratulate one another. I think the judge should have polled the jurors and should Not have given the lawyers only an hour to do closing arguments. I'm on Karen Read's side, so I think this is important, but I think he (AJ) missed the opportunity, but had to say this in this filing for the record.
@@calliew311Yeah totally agree. I also was thinking that since 3 jurors that were pretty obviously pro Karen were either dismissed or became an alternate the defence felt that they wouldn’t get their full acquittal and probably thought a mistrial would be the best outcome so they didn’t bother pushing any further. Either way he did miss an opportunity there and Judge Bev absolutely should have polled the jury. I could be wrong but surely she polled them in private or at least found out what the split was and for what charge.
@@calliew311I doubt they had any idea 2 of the 3 charges had been agreed on. That, by definition is NOT a mistrial. It was the judges job to be clear on instructions (which she wasnt) and make sure there actually was a mistrial.
@@LaLaLonna I'm confused -how is it not a mistrial if the jury didn't agree unanimously?
Judge Bev needed to read and ask the jury for Guilty or No Guilty on Each Charge. as they were 3. How the heck did she Ommitt that 2 Out of 3 Charges were Unanimous Not Guilty? is this some Proctor level kind of Unethical Shenanigans? Dirty to the last drop ..
I was wondering why she didn’t do that at the time, was suspect
She can’t admit her “mistake” no way
Can the jury come forward publicly?
@@coopmilieu7188 i think they can..
Definitely Proctor level fuckery.
Every trial I have watched its the judge that asks counsel if they want the jury polled so this was strange as I got impression from Judge that jury deadlocked on every charge
Yes, when there is a verdict. There wasn't one here.
See I told you from the beginning something shady Jackson was right in regard to verdict slips Bev got snippy with him
Judge wants Karen in prison, she's been biased from beginning. She didn't poll the jury which covered up the 2 not guilty verdicts. Jury was very upset at judge because JUDGE REFUSED JURY'S REQUEST FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION OF VERDICT FORMS . JACKSON HAD OBJECTED TO THE FORMS FROM BEGINNING.
Albert was in surveillance , yet had none at home.
I know right and not ONE NEIGHBOR on that street had ring camera?!?!
Has anyone asked about ring camera along her drive home… you know video that corrupt officers can’t get to and erase and/or manipulate?
@@izmac9146yep library video mysteriously disappeared
Please jurors if you’re listening please speak up 🆙 don’t let this go on again. This is a big deal! Don’t hid behind text messages call def. Attorney.
Your justice system fails miserably in actually delivering justice.
Auntie Bev tried to pull a fast one on the Defense.
VP when it comes to analysis, clarity & reporting, etc. you are second to none! Sounds like there is great potential for proper justice to prevail in the Commonwealth of MA.
Yes except he didn't pick up on the fact that the judge did not ask to clarify what the jury meant in their letter. After all, its just about a murder, that's all, no big deal for her. LOL
That's not what I heard. Happy and open to hear other's opinions.
@@dineencasilli9743 Not what I "heard", I viewed from a Dean of a Boston Legal College. It was his qualified legal opinion. LOL
The judge seems crooked, frankly.
Judge Bev’s instructions may have confused the jury and that could’ve been a factor with them having trouble agreeing. If they voted not guilty for charge 1 & 3 why wasn’t that said ? I hope they talk to the jurors and get to the bottom of this mess.
This is BEV’s LEGACY- in a VERY VERY BAD WAY. Such a SHAME to the CANONE CLAN. Boooo
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Possible surveillance on juries
, Bev knew verdict and pulled a fast one by mot polling each count
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She's a foul old bint
I thought it was a dead lock. Mistral . Not a not guilty
I absolutely love this channel Vinny it’s my favourite out of everything one in the whole world. Thank you for being you
That' stupid document was confusing. Let's face it. I think the debate was spent on the lesser charges. But they obviously didn't know they could check more than 1 box, not guilty and then click the other boxes as Well, it wasn't made clear to them obviously And the judge really dropped the ball by not clarifying that , a d then I couldn't believe how quickly without taking a breath that she wanted to declare mistrial and Pencil in a date for the next hearing, just like that!
Remember the group chat with McCabe and Albert’s make sure you say to them that the “GUY” Never went into the House !!!
That message is so weird because if you already knew he wasn’t in the house why would you need to confirm it??🫣
But they forgot to add Higgins to that group, and he said a tall, dark-haired guy came in during his testimony... so... reasonable doubt exists
Do you think Auntie Bev knows the impact of her decisions in regards to the public opinion and outrage?
Can a higher power come in and correct Auntie Bev's behavior and get back to the jury verdict? She prematurely called a mistrial. Why can't that be retracted based on new information from the jury???
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We don't know that they didn't check the boxes. No one has seen the verdict slip except for the judge and her clerk.
Initially Bev said they didn't have to. It would be obvious/assumed.
The jurors should be questioned in the presence of the defense and the defense should be allowed to ask questions.
That never happens! Lawyers cannot examine jurors. Only the judge could inquire privately
They didn’t want to they wanted the mistrial
in what world?! 😂
In Arizona jurors are allowed to question the one testifying. Also when the trial ended the judge asked us if we minded if both the defense and prosecutors could also ask us questions like what did we believe. One of the witnesses we actually told both that we thought one of the witnesses against the defense was not credible. So yes it is in AZ. Both trials I served on.
Technologies and timeline exposes cover-up
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The KR Defense did not file sworn affidavits of the “alleged” jurors attesting to those “alleged” assertions. Until those affidavits are filed and the jurors take the stand and attest to such and to be cross examined, the allegations are exactly that and by law are deemed “hearsay”. In any event, this matter (if true and proven) would indicate in the least, the jury believed KR hit JO with her SUV regardless - Vehicular Manslaughter (265-13, mandatory min 5 years - max 20 years and fines up to $25,000).
There were 3 lesser included charges, one of which was extremely vague and easily misinterpreted.
Morrisey is the ring leader he needs to go now
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When do you ever sleep vinny!! You from jersey, you from jersey!! Great shows and my wife and i watch you all the time!! Keep up to the great reporting!! We are from massachusetts or taxachusetts as people here call it!! We dont know where the tax money goes because the roads are terrible and the schools are broke but state employees who get their jobs from nepotism and live very comfortable from their pensions!! Even when corrupt cops and state workers are busted for various criminal offensives they get to keep their pensions!! Most of our tax money in this state goes to these kinds of people, not food stamps and welfare, section 8 housing people! At least the karen read case has brought it to the nations eyes! Its not an election year so the new governor probably wont do anything until maybe her re election year but that might be too late for her!!
Evidence proved JO wasn’t hit by a vehicle!!!
8 of 12 jurors disagree
@@Kkaayy111 Not necessarily. This jury was obviously very confused. One of the lesser included charges was especially confusing. I would not be surprised to discover it was that one lesser included charge that they were hung on.
One question is what did she say to the jury behind closed doors after they were dismissed. Should not be allowed to say anything off the record.
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So true Vinnie we all thought the notes were so well written
"The divergence in our views..." rigorous etc....
Once a mistrial was announced the case was over. Since, no verdict was reached and Karen was not found guilty or not guilty on any charges, she can be charged again! It is as if hit never happened. Double jeopardy does not apply.
Except that we now have 2 jurors directly telling Alan Jackson that there were 2 Not Guilty verdicts reached.
@@SJG321 I know!! It will be so interesting to see what happens. I am guessing Bev will stick to her guns. There was a similar case "Bluebird vs. Arkansas" where the same thing happened. The judge ruled that since no verdict was reached double jeopardy did not apply.
@@denisesanders3983 I would not be surprised if that is what happens because the judge gets to do what she wants. But then, they'll appeal and eventually it will get in front of a fair and impartial judge and then we'll see what happens.
Blueford v. Arkansas, 566 U.S. 599 (2012), was a decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that clarified the limits of the Double Jeopardy Clause. The Supreme Court held that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not bar retrial of counts that a jury had previously unanimously voted to acquit on, when a mistrial is declared after the jury deadlocked on a lesser included offense.
I said this Judge is sneaky
Also that judge should have recused, she’s freinds with some of the dirty people she’s protecting
Auntie Bev is a disgraceful
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Aunt Bev covered it up.
😮 why didnt the foreman tell that to the judge in the note?
Isn't the judge supposed to ask the attorneys before dismissing the jury... would u like the jury to be polled?
Really appreciate your get to the point approach! Thanks from 🇨🇦😊
The foreman should have recorded the NG on 1.
Who's to say they didn't and judge decided not to accept.
Good point!
Before this trial, I would've been skeptical of that happening. Now, I think it's very much a possibility.
The form is part of the court record, so it would be trivial for the defense to see if there was a signed "not guilty" form. More likely they didn't fill out the form and there was no prompt to the jury to document anything for charges where they had reached unanimity. Still possible the folks leaning guilty on charge 2 were only on board for not guilty with 1 and 3 if the others agreed to guilty on 2.
@@MichaelOninesthat’s definitely a possibility.
@MichaelOnines What part of the affidavit gave you the impression that they only all agreed to not guilty on the murder charge as a bargain?
The quote from the juror and text message from the other juror seem to be stating they never believed the Commonwealth proved murder 2.
I looked up Bluford vs Arkansas and it basically says that in the case of a mistrial the charges that they agreed upon are not a formal verdict which means it does NOT constitute double jeopardy. In other words, they can retry her on all 3 charges again.
nicely done! 👏
Yes.
Massachusetts’ legal system is a shit show
The defense current motion (if proven true) would indicate in the least, all the jurors did not believe the defense’s theory but did believe that KR hit JO with her SUV (unintentionally), drove away and left him to die. (Alleged) Juror quote: “None of us thought she hit him on purpose”. Count 2 - Vehicular Manslaughter (265-13, mandatory min 5 years to max 20 years. Fines > $25k).
I agree.
The Defense did not file sworn affidavits of the “alleged” jurors attesting to those “alleged” assertions. Until those affidavits are filed and the jurors take the stand and attest to such and to be cross examined, the allegations are exactly that and by law are deemed “hearsay”. In any event, this matter (if true and proven) would indicate in the least, some of the jurors believed KR hit JO with her SUV regardless - Vehicular Manslaughter (265-13, mandatory min 5 years - max 20 years and fines up to $25,000).
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No, it would show that "some" jurors believe that she may have hit him with her car, but there was still debate on that. All of the physical evidence is questionable at best.
@@nicolemahoney5584 In your opinion not everyone else’s obviously
8 of 12 think she hit him.
Hi Vinnie. Hello from Ireland 🇮🇪, buddy. Love your Show Vinnie. 😅
I wouldn’t be surprised if Aunt Bev just flat out didn’t read the entire note from the jury.
I honestly believe that the jury was scared to say anything or write anything that might be “against the rules.” I know I would have been very careful responding to anything without someone asking me specific questions. Then they told them not to vote immediately then also told not to fill out the form until you have come to all conclusions, sounds confusing to me
Yes can hear you. Missed you reporting
Can't wait to hear from the crash Daddys again in the next trial. Defense will have a chance to actually talk to them before trial. 🎉
I have seen a case where the jury empassed and agree to 2 counts the judge put into order both counts were found NG. So the CW only could retry on the 3rd count.
I've always thought professional jurors is the way to go than just regular uneducated people in the legal process.
No.
omg- i almost can't believe i just read that. 🤦🏻♂️
Jurors are already tainted now
Why didn't they have a not guilty box?
They did. Hello
You do an amazing job!!
Did the jury really not know what to do? OR did the incredibly knowledgeable and articulate foreman know EXACTLY what he was doing and chose NOT to include the split was only on one count, in an attempt to cause KR to be retried on all counts. Would be really interesting to know which way the foreman was leaning... and also WHY he was selected BEFORE the alternate were chosen. Seemed dodgy from that point and like Bev hand picked a juror!
Why didnt the defense pull the Jury at the end of deliberation???
they don't poll jurors in MA.
@@BoxerCloverthey don't do anything 😂 dirty lot
Dirty judge
Exactly! She cant even come clean in a speed queen.
disHonorable Beverley
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@BoxerClover The new move wordless McAlbert familiar. I kinda like it punchdrunk,.like when your buddy gave Beverley her forever name.
Auntie Bev
And to think this criminal cabal all started in the Quiny Public School cafeteria over a vat of Mac and cheese more than 40 years ago.
Why didn’t they poll the jury?
Dad Read will be also in…as aiding and abetting a crime of hit and run ❤️Mr Read
You crank
Judges have way too much power
Loud and clear!!!
Good to go Vinnie!!!
U KNOW HOW BRAVE IT IS TO ADMIT THAT IM SORRY I WAS WRONG HOW CAN I MAKE IT RIGHT?
Hello Mr. Vinny, thank you for covering this case. Appreciate it.
Judge Bev, knows exactly what she’s doing ….she sent the jury off to deliberate Without explaining a word and it would be confusing she knew that thanks again
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BEV CHOOSES DISHONESTY
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This KR Defense Motion contradicts the jury foreman’s note to the judge, including the jury was deadlocked (split - never be able to make a decision). Defense called for a mistrial. No one asked for a verdict on a count/s, and that they would take a verdict on that count/s, and on the count/s they were hung on a mistrial would be declared. It’s possibly a publicity stunt and buying time (delay, delay, delay) and putting pressure on the prosecution.
It must be. The case they are talking about also was a terrible one. It's not double jeopardy.
Some1 named Debbie said in the live chat "very unethical defence " seems like there are too many people who's heads are clamped up those McAlbs behinds....
Or they are McAlberts
GÒOD EVENING VIÑNIE Canada I here you!
I think the defense was like F Yeah filing motion to dismiss Monday!!! 🤘
Tough on Vinny exposing this corruption
Falling for Karen..who hasn’t been brought in by Karen? Yukk
You that's why you are bitter and jealous obviously or a dirty mcAlbert
Judge made a mistake but won't say it hers I don't think she change anything