DOC VS NURSE VS PA: How Dramatic Is The Difference Between Them?
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Adam, George, and Maddi figure out the differences between their healthcare careers.
Edit Disclaimer - PAs spend 6 years of schooling and not the 4 years that the graphic shows. Made a small editing oopsie!
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Thanks for watching! Let us know below who you think works the hardest. Is it the Doctors, PAs, or Nurses? Have a great day!
Hey Dr douchebag
@@mr_hairymeatball LMAO
The dumbest videos on the planet and disrespectful.
Why don’t you do one for commercial airline pilot vs flight attendant vs baggage handler?
For the answer - simply spend an hour following the junior doctor on trauma at the nearest big hospital.
3 yrs as an RN/NP we all see our role as the most difficult as they are the same but different. It's not a pyramid or a position on a ladder. We're all in this together. The hospital Pharmacist is also an important member.
Sorry, typo..... I meant 23 yrs as an RN/7 yrs as an Nurse Practitioner
Nurses are not only wiping patient’s asses and turning patients prevent pressure ulcer. They are educating, advocating, monitoring and reporting changes, and etc. very thankful to bedside nurses
cnas yeah but nurses are lazy most are
Ya Bedside nurses are tough!!!
Many nurses choose to quit bedside.
Those are cna
YES! Lets not forget about CNAs!@@LLansnnslsmsk
The first sentence of what you described are nurse assistants, not nurses - LVN/LPN's or RN's
Idk why tf ppl are arguing who works harder like each position isn’t fundamental
My dad was a surgeon of urology and my mom an internist. I'm in an accelerated bachelors of science nursing program. I got into this because I have a bachelors degree in psychology. This allowed me to join the faster 16 month BSN course. My dad told me he thinks its impossible to be a great surgeon husband and father all at the same time. Mom started out as an ob/gyn and shifted to internal medicine so she could have more time raising my sister and I. So she was able to balance work/life better than my dad by choosing an area that freed up her time. So two different perspectives from two M.D.'s I chose to pursue nursing because I like being a patient advocate and I hope to end up earning Nurse Practitioner.
Hi! I wanna take up psychology/bio as my undergrad but is it possible to be a Nurse Practitoner despite taking bs psych? Can u pls go more in depth with the schools or programs? Thank u! :>
@@maryanneteves8645 hello! Yes you can. The path no matter what you have or have not done is always having to complete a bachelors of science nursing. Then move to the masters program you can either go MSN which is more focused on leadership and admin and education or you can go for family nurse practitioner program. I’m in an accelerated bachelors of science nursing because I have previously earned my Bachelors of Arts for psych. It was only after realizing psych wasn’t leading me down a path as fulfilling as nursing that I took on the task of getting the nursing degrees. After getting your bachelors degree work as an RN for a year before starting the masters program. This is the suggested path by many.
Me too, idk if it was just an asian thing but my parents tries to push me to med scho when I want to be a nurse in the 1st place. Nurses is just so appealing to me, it's their humbleness and grace that struck me hopefully if i can get a job over seas I can escape my fate and continue my path as a nurse practioner.
How dd u accelerated?
@@cristinaamarante9852 I just graduated with my BSN last week!!!! Now waiting to schedule for taking the nclex.
Would love to see a video of
MD, PA, NP.
Nurses work harder physically and pay can be better.
But I agree all work hard.
Keep an Eye out for this. It’s a great idea and well add it to the list
Does anyone have experience with APs/assistant physicians who are medical doctors that did NOT get accepted to a residency program (not at all the same as PAs)?
Nurses don’t make more than PAs and definitely not doctors
@@Akame4514 Uhh nurses can make more than PAs; e.g. CRNAs or nurse anesthetists make more than PAs do. Just like what the nurse said in the video, it depends on the specialty in nursing. General RNs certainly do not make more than PAs.
@@Akame4514 in Canada PAs make the same as RNs - NPs make more than both ofc
The residents work the hardest.... I'de say nurses work harder than attendings maybe. :) The constant stress level of the residents at my hospital is phenomenal.
I'd say nursing could be more physically demanding but when you factor in mental stress/fatigue id say Doctors work by far the hardest.
@@billr5842 Nurses don’t have mental stress/fatigue as well??
Yes and when we go home, we have maybe 4 hours of additional study/day
@@billr5842 hmm, it’s both for nurses. we have to make sure we are doing everything so we don’t kill a patient or else it’s on us. So much responsibility as nurses. Not a lot of us carry malpractice insurance
Love the energy of the whole group and the matching scrubs
Full time RN and working Mom here.
Work life balance is a real struggle. Coming home from work feeling emotionally, mentally and physically drained and then switching into Mom mode takes its toll. You definitely need to set boundaries between home and work( work hard/play hard) and draw on your family resources.
I'm an MA finishing up nursing school. My advice to patients is if your procedure is an IV or a urinary catheter...have an MA or a nurse do it (nurse for Foleys). Do NOT ask for the doctor. A lot of patients seem to assume that doctors do everything better. Nothing makes the nurses cringe more and the Med Assistants giggle harder than a new resident trying to insert a Foley on a bariatric female patient. Also, nurses, don't be that new nurse who blows EVERY SINGLE VEIN in the patient's arm before you call the MA to do the IV. Thanks, a Med Assistant.
Patients in general need to realize that everyone in a hospital has a specialty and you want the specialist doing the procedure (not the guy/girl with the fanciest title).
Everyone needs/deserves a chance to practice, it’s called practicing medicine for a reason.
I’m a registered nurse and am beginning to take prerequisites for medical school!
how are things going?
I actually really enjoyed the video, I like seeing the differences and comparisons. I also did not really think PAs could be sued but I guess anyone could. New subscriber here!
Thanks so much for the support! Really glad you enjoyed the video, welcome to The Med Life family!
a Pa is not four years like labeled in the video. Like the PA said , a graduate program could is an additional 2-3 years. Total 6-7 years. Keep in mind you need FT working experience in healthcare before applying,~ 2000 hours, sometimes adding a gap year or two before applying
i think it was a typo
I am here for it! Love the channel so far, can't wait to see what content you guys share! Greetings from a student nurse here 🙋♀️.
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The nurses work the hardest by far! I think they deserve way better pay.
PA-S here, but to be honest it’s the nurses who are working the hardest BY FAR!
Maybe more than the PA, but they work a fraction of what residents work
You have no clue. Don’t like the work you’re doing, do the work you need to do to become a doctor. See how much less you work and how much more money you make... 🤦🏽♀️
In your hospital perhaps
@@charlia7695 wow you have no idea what you’re talking about
Lol. Not at all. The resident doctors are the ones busting their asses.
Bruh the burnouts and suicide rates for doctors are one of the highest which shows how much stress lies on them and how much responsibility they have to carry! DOCTORS SHOULD BE APPRECIATED THE MOST!
Wish you guys had a nurse practitioner on here too
In a lot of places it's the same as a pa
2:00 how they’re both watching him dig a hole for himself 😂 it’s ok we know you meant no harm
You forgot to mention that the salary of a nurse starts at $48k for new nurses for three shifts a week only. If you work 4 shifts a week then your salary goes up to $75k. And depending on the experience you can make more by just working 4 days a week. I know nurses who make 75k a year for working 3 days a week only. It all depends.
depends heavily on where you work. certain states it’s uncommon for a nurse to make more than 50k
it really just depends.. nurses on the west coast make about $75k starting, meanwhile nurses in the south make a lot less. but also cost of living highly differs so
48k?? Where do you live? Nurses where I live starts out @ $40/hr
@@Beignetboy DFW area. recently the pay increased but a new nurse salary starts at 50-53k for the first year for 3 shifts a week.
Like George said, PA’s have a little over 6 years of schooling (4 years of undergrad and 27 months, or a little over 2 years, of graduate school). I enjoyed the video overall, but you said that PA’s only have 4 years of schooling when you put the numbers up for each of you, which contradicts what George just said. But great video overall, just me being nit picky lol
Thank you for the feedback! We totally overlooked this during the edit, we are going to add a little edit disclaimer in the description. Thanks for watching and hope you stick around!
That's not true. You are not nitpicking. You don't have to insult yourself to point out a mistake.
I say this bc women do that all the time. You don't have to put yourself down. I'm sure that wasn't your intention but that's what you are doing.
I'm a nurse. 50 years. We are the eyes and ears of the doctors and PAs. We observe and report. We also integrate the whole patient, mental, physical and spiritual. We care for the families too. Heck yeah, we work the hardest!!!
Nobody sacrifices more or works harder than MD/DO residents. Full stop.
Bottom line, doctors have way more education, way more years of study and a lot more expense in their training. PA’s and NP’s are NOT the same as doctors. I hate the whole downgrading the doctor that seems to be the thing these days.
well said
Seriously. Everyone wants to throw shade at doctors these days.
I absolutely LOVE your videos but here is some of my "input" and it is not my intent to be offensive. I was NOT trained NOR do I believe in hierarchy in healthcare. I believe that every healthcare professional is "equal" with different scopes of practice to care for the patient; therefore, the patient is the chief. The physician/advance provider(s) is the diagnostic expert and the nurse is the patient care/implementation expert. It is the role of the nurse is too safely implement the order/prescription; therefore, a nurse DOES NOT have to implement an order if it is unsafe. This is a concept "many" physician/advance providers do not understand nor do nurses without adequate training and/or education. Nurses are licensed professional and can be held accountable if they implement an unsafe order. I hope my insight helps and is NOT offensive. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing your input! We always appreciate additional viewpoints! Thanks for following along with our videos too 😎
The nurse can be held accountable but so will the doctor … if a patient decides to sue they can go after both. Doctors have to put malpractice insurance for this reason also.
@@charlia7695 nurses have malpractice insurance too, hell some nursing school require you have student malpractice insurance its crazy!! :o
Keep up the good work with the videos they are awesome
Thanks for your continuous support Megan!!
PA school is 6+ years not 4 years as shown on the screen. Plus 1000 additional patient care hours are required before applying.
Interesting to hear about how work in these fields differ in the US :) apart from the $$$ side of it, it's good to see there are many similarities to how we work in the NHS. To answer your question, I think we all work equally as hard! 😉
Tarvala We agree!
Wow lover this video so informative
Wait! Typo? at about 1:35 you have that nurse is 4 and so is PA..but PA is 6 right? 4 yrs undergrad plus 2 years (27 -33 months) graduate studies??
You needed a NP to be more accurate on this. This lady must new nurse!
Yessssiiirrrr, I want to be a HARD WORKING DO or MD, but I would love to work with my team and not be arrogant!.
I’d say doctors depending on the specialty. Neuro surgeon literally can have more then 24 hours of call on top of their regular shifts that they’re required to do. But not saying PA’s and nurse don’t work hard
PA school in the states (USA) is 4 year degree and 2 to 3 years in PA school.
Does a PA have a lot of patient care time or is it kind of similar to the time a doctor has with a patient?
Similar to that of a doctor
Speaking for the Nurses! 🥰🥰 ( but obviously everyone works hard! ) 🤭😏
$45-75 as a nurse? Oh Hellll nah not in NY. NY is 85k starting. Lets not even talk about travel nurses that could bring home 200-250k a year. Starting an accelerated nursing program this Feb for 11 months. Can't wait to become a nurse!
I've been an RN for 12 years and now changing to go to Medical school
There is an easy way to tell who works the hardest. Who gets paid the lowest?
Right lol. But also nurses goes to school for less time so it make sense
So an unemployed person works the hardest?
@@OrganicDolphin unemployed in the eyes of IRS means you work hard at avoiding taxes by only taking cash under the table.
Also- is she an RN or an NP? bc that is also different as well, correct?
I think you should make a video talking about the educational preparation of each. I'm an NP and i feel nowhere near as prepared as a PA was....I'm truthfully saying this...as I attended a prestigious school, getting all A's A+'s, completed the boards, 7-8 years ER experience...PA's learn from the medical model and they come out like smooth well oiled machines...but they lack the patho and scientific background of disease processes....nurses are more trained in the nursing model, with deeper understanding of humanistic and holistic approaches to diseases....i mean theres DEFinitely an overlap as we are both prescribing mid level clinicans...but i feel masters was NOT enough...i do plan to go for doctorates , as my peers with doctorates training ARE MUUUUUCH more knowledgeable...I just feel coming from a nurse perspective who wasted nearly 10 years to get where I am today, I feel the nursing education has a VERY VERY VERYYYY weak foundation in "medical" practice. If you are curious, just check any Bachelors' and masters program. half of it is theory...and most theories are common sense to me...-_-;; whats more important is KNOWING what the disease is, knowing who is vulnerable, what the risk factors are, and what evidence based treatments there are and most importantly WHAT CAN YOU DO when those evidence based treatments fail....come on 1, 2, 3,.... i bet if you go up to a nurse and ask them about aortic stenosis, only 10-20% will be able to tell you what it is, who is affected, what the screening tests are, and what are the treatments are available.. as a experiment, i urge you to go ask your nurses and np's today lol
RNs can make great money especially if you travel. And if not you can work contracts and overtime and make really good money.
All medical Frontliner work hard but nurses work harder. They're like all around!
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*@**6:43** ~ Questions: You said doctors are always there supporting nurses, but what about on call? I’ve heard some doctors are rude to nurses that call them at night. They want the nurse to make ANY changes needed and the doctor will back date the order when they get in. I know small things don’t need to call the doctor, but a nurse isn’t a doctor.*
*QUESTIONS:* •Has anyone had this experience or not had it? •What do you think about doctors backdating orders that have already been decided by a nurse (is that just for liability to make it seem like the doctor made the decision)? •What are you opinions on NP vs PA’s education and ability (b/c I recently found out some people have mixed feelings)? •Does anyone have experience with APs/assistant physicians who are medical doctors that did NOT get accepted to a residency program (not the same as PAs)?
These doctors are the bane of the medical profession. Here one day, thanks to these attitudes, the medical profession will die. An NP costs less than a doctor. These are the absurd fashions that come from the Anglo-Saxon world, UK, USA, Australia, etc.
nurse
What do PAs do after the 4 year undergrad??
They do a program the ranges from 24 - 33 months
I'm an RN. Doctor's work hard but nurses do the most physical work hands down. In 6 months I made 65,000 as a new grad at a nursing home so any salary is possible if you work OT
How do you address a PA? Ms, Mister, Dr?
You will typically address them by however they introduce themselves. Almost always it is their first name. Great question!
Doctors work the hardest in school but Nurses work harder in jobs
EXACTLY
Uhh doctors also work harder on jobs if you don’t know
that's not true at all. Doctors work much harder than nurses. There is no comparison
Really? You should have seen a resident.
@@liv0003 u said no comparison n there u go saying doctor works harder
Nurses the real MVP
My boi
what about NP or DNP
As a ROI - doctor is generally not great as far the salary vs time of education and effort. NP or PA seems like the ideal spot
Schooling for doctors & pa’s is harder, but on the actual job, nurses definitely work the hardest. Love to all of you though 💕
Not true at all. Doctors work a lot harder than nurses. Doctors work a lot more hours, doctors have a lot less free time, a lot more patients to take care for, and a lot more responsibilities than nurses or middle levels.
@@liv0003 I agree with user-ki8. He/ She's right. Nurses definitely work the hardest, and deserve similar remuneration to attending physicians. The best physicians are only that way because they have an excellent nursing team helping them out and being the patient's advocate. Whatever the residents are making, it's only logical that the nurses should make triple.
It would be the Doctor I wouldn't say nurse because once yall shift is over yall can just give the report back to the new shift and leave.But for Doctors they would have to round on patients and can work 24 hour shifts and even more.But Doctors make the orders.But for nurses they do most of the procedures.I think doctor since they are always on call.
The working hours for doctors can be crazy long! Either way between all three professions you gotta really be passionate about it. Thanks for checking us out Ahmad!!
i would agree doctors work harder in general but doctors arent always on call. It depends on what type of doctor you are. For example, a dermatologist doesnt work any call but an OBGYN is on call a lot. ER doctors usually arent on call and just do shift work like a nurse, except obviously what they do on each shit is different from a nurse. And their shifts tend to be between 8 and 12 hours. Most doctors are not working 24+ hour shifts. There are also call shifts that certain doctors share with each other so they don't have to be on call 24/7.
Nurses
That nurse doesn't know much. Nurses can make WAAY more than that. She didn't even mention travel nursing. Plus you don't need a 4year degree to be a nurse. It's 2 year degree minimum and you can even get that in 1 year if your a paramedic or a LPN.
Exactly
nurses because they have to take all the crap from angry families
I’d still be a doctor. It’s legit.
Sorry but the RN work the hardest by far
Most RN's have a tech doing the majority of the actual work though........
In NY as a starting RN you are making 90k so 45k kind of sucks
DEFINITELY nurses they are powerhouses
Does the pa work hard? I wanted to hear his response too
We PAs are chillin', don't mind us
Nurses by FAR work the hardest out of the 3!!
Depends on the area the nurse is working in, and the area the physicians/ PAs are working in. You can't generalize like that-- and there's no denying the physician works the hardest in their educational period from med school through residency.
All of it can be a war zone
Come on Adam, let’s be real man. We know how it is. Just going to be honest. It’s politically correct to say ‘nurses and mid levels’ all work harder. Residents barely get noticed let alone attendings. Instagram is filled with Happy Nurses Week and Happy PA week and all wonderful colors and fun. If you’re a resident, there’s just an alarm clock and a cup of coffee. We always go unnoticed, but residents and attendings - hidden secret - just move on and work on. We all know it, there’s no time for recognition when you have to think of your differential for 14 patients and plan. But thanks Madi for recognizing that. But yes nurses by all means are great but it’s politically correct to say so because of mass salary difference. If doctors say “doctors” it’s arrogant. Lol. Anyway, whoever has done any bit of residency or fellowship - knows this. Med students have no idea - to have any valuable contrition to this discussion, they’re still learning about Lesch Nyhan syndrome lololo. Lol. Regards, J, MD. Anyway, good video as usual!
Residency is obviously extremely hard and terrible but it lasts for a few years and then you're making 4-10x the amount of money
The secret is they all work extremely hard and it’s not going to be some grey anatomy romantic shit everyone is burnt out regardless of position in the health care field right now.
The nurses of course.
nurse practitioners
Nurses for sure
Nurses work the hardest and they also work for a long period of time
Nurses definitely!
I’m going to be a FNP
Nurses workers hard
Residents are too busy working to post on CZcams comments
Doctors have the ultimate responsibility. But nurses work the hardest. And in an outpatient setting often there are no nurses or only one. And then the PAs do a majority of the work
May i know what PAs mean or stands for what ?! 🙂❤️😂😂
I think it's physician assistant
It stands for Physician Assistant / Physician Associate (UK)
Average pay for nurses in California, where I live, is $110,000. Average pay for nurse practitioners is $138,000. Average PA pay is $127,000. Average ER physician pay is $325,000. I don’t know what state they are in where nurses make $40,000 to $75,000. That’s obscenely low.
California has a higher cost of living compared to other states. So salaries in california are often high to accommodate the high cost of living.
You literally live in one of the most if not the most expensive state in the US. Higher cost of living = more pay.
In Oklahoma that's the nurse salary
Nurses!!
Nurses cuz they have to deal with the patients needs one in one and follow all the orders of the doctors too plus the nurses have to deal with the families and let’s be honest there are some crazies out there!!!
He should let each profession talk about themselves instead of the other’s profession.
but you need to compare a PA to an NP more than and RN
Nurses def work the hardest. Mostly labor but a lot of thought too. MD/DO and PA/NP use a ton of brain power and little labor.
Nurses by far !
NURSES.. Hands down😀😀
It's annoying to me that the doctor included his total schooling and the nurses total schooling but stated the pa went to school for 4 years....wtf.
Noticed that too.
He stated that he went to school for 4 years undergraduate and anywhere from 26-33 months of grad school.
@@KjDeiij I understand the PA stated that but if you look again at the total amount of time the doc put on the screen it states 4 years only. This is while the doc includes residency in his training time. That was also right after the PA talked about the length of his training.
@@Jess-cw9gi I personally wouldn’t take offense to it, he may not have seen it during editing. I’m glad the PA did state the time frame though.
@@KjDeiij Agreed 😄
I love your video
I think the nurse work harder I can see every night they really do everything for patients
Nurses work the hardest for sure
Do we really need a video for this? Physician training is leagues beyond the other two in terms of difficulty, length of training, board examination, selectivity, financial cost, etc.
My dude why even come to this video if you don’t think it’s necessary 🤡
Nurses obviously
Nurses for sure !!!!!!! okay , MOST nurses.
sorry but as a nurse i' always seem to get ineffective orders from PA's. MD's tend to be more aggressive but very effective in their orders.
nurses work the hardest
Definitely nurses work the hardest
The way I see it - dr's are the decision makers and nurses the implementers. Dr's cant work without nurses and vice versa. From where i am from there is no such thing as a PA or even CNA's - the dr and the nurse performs these duties- period.. I think it would be great to have more expertise in the medical field and additions to the multi- disciplinary team. In all, each one is a specialist in their field together with the lab personell that actually diagnose the patient for the dr using lab results cultures etc. In the end it is senseless to compare anyone in these fields because one cannot work without the other. This mind set is the reason why there is soooo much arrogance and abuse among personel within the medical field. The patient is the reason why we or they are there. I think if everyone can adopt the patient centred mindset - these types of comparisons would become obsolete.
I think nurses
Nurses work the hardest
Hardest workers aren’t even in the video
I work in healthcare and yesterday a nurse asked me about a lab result that was “>1100” she asked me what that meant…
Nurses are 100% the back bone of health care. Get delegated jobs by PA and Dr's because they're too "busy" documenting. Despite nurses not having time to document because they're doing the jobs of the MDT. Plus being the eyes, ears and voice of there patients. No wonder they're leaving... paid the least. Do the most
I think the nurses work the hardest 😃
I disagree, when I was in the hospital I mostly seen nurse assistants, only time I seen RN nurse is give me my medicine. Everyone forgetting that RN nurse has help from nurse assistants.
The nurses DUHH