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This is a first reactions video whilst giving a brief overview of what is going on. For a look at the court case, some details have been posted on the lego reddit page which I'll link here - www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/1cr2koc/builder_gets_sued_by_lego/
The customer data thing is insane. What a world we live in.
what are gonna do with that data? sue every customer that bought these sets?
Bar these customers from collecting point?
I'm pretty sure that they can't demand that data. For what reason? What Lego want to do that data? And without purpose (and the approval of HA bricks's customer) Lego group can't even have the legal reason to handle personal data.
Unless Lego were to acquire HA Bricks, I believe that HA Bricks would be breaking data protection laws in the UK and Europe if they were to hand over such data. It will be interesting to see how this plays out legally. Caveat - I am not a lawyer, so I could be wrong, but the GDPR legislation is pretty tight regarding what companies are permitted to do with customer information.
In US law a company loses most rights to what is done with a product after it is sold to the first company. This is apart of resellers laws and why scalpers/ebay resellers are legal.
If the original product is not protected by a patent, you may freely sell your modified product as well as the original product (as long as you do not use any trademarks/copyrights associated with the original product with your product). Since LEGO has lost its patent in many countires this argument of the lawsuit will fall flat.
Lepin was sued not for just stealing the brick patent but also recreating modeld sets in the likeness of lego and selling them as if their own design. That infringed on Legos compyright of that set. That part of the lawsuit also falls flat.
In the set that you showed HA bricks did not list the model as a LEGO model. Nor did they label the technic bricks as actual lego bricks. LEGO has no grounds to sue in this case.
Moreover HA bricks would have a great case to counter sue LEGO under antitrust. Specifically prohibiting anticompetstive conduct if they could prove harm of market share. For example, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) prohibits a single company from unreasonably restraining competition by creating or maintaining monopoly power.
Agreed. This is a Danish company suing a Dutch company too so I don't know how the laws differ. But ultimately once I buy something, I can do whatever with it as I see fit
You got a couple of things wrong, legally speaking: selling improvised LEGO pieces does indeed give LEGO reason to sue. Also they actually say that their kits are made of LEGO, so even if I do not like it legally LEGO can sue here. The entire business plan of using a product from another company and painting it and selling it when the other company does not want you to do that is not a sound businesplan. People always comment without having a clue about international copyright laws. Funny enough copyright laws are even stronger in the US than the EU, the entire idea and method of what LEGO is doing here is standard practice in corporate America.
@@mogreen19
"selling improvised LEGO pieces does indeed give LEGO reason to sue"
Nope. Not at all. What WOULD give LEGO reason to sue is if the company modified LEGO pieces or made their own _and then tried to claim them as authentic LEGO elements._ Something that HA Bricks is definitely NOT doing.
@@TritonBrickRailway The same laws actually apply in the EU. And doesn't actually "modify" the bricks, he rather just jams in a ball bearing.
imo. its ALL bullshit. once LEGO sells their product they no longer OWN it the consumer does. protecting the IP is one thing. but going after re-selling of their product of ANY kind is nonsense.
It's not reselling, it's changing bricks and reseling as lego, you can't really do that.
@@randomnickify if I buy Minute Maid (tm) orange juice and make a cocktail out of it, can I not advertise that it is made using Minute Maid OJ?! This is basically the same thing.
"LEGO® technic bricks with ball bearings and washes." Really bad wording, it looks like they are describing the original product as produced by Lego. Now I understand that they are modified unofficially, but I know Lego. A non lego person would think that they are official from that wording, but would a non lego fan be buying from there anyway? Now the test would be to see if each and every customer understood the difference. If they offered to buy back on the basis that they were modified, and the customers all replied saying 'duh, we know, that's why we bought them dumbasses', and they also make the corrections on the website then I think it will solve the issues. Lawsuits like this I think will always ask for the maximum before coming to a compromise, it's the lawyers doing their thing.
@@almisami The issue is that using Minute Maid's brand to sell your cocktail would probably infringe on their trademark and, if you accidentally made your cocktail with methanol, people might go after Minute Maid, thinking they had endorsed it.
@@randomnickify i have bought many lego custom prints on torsos and bricks and they say in the description its reall lego. So im verry confused on lego's policy
"Buy back all existing sets and have them destroyed"
This is a red flag that makes me question the validity of this whole situation. You legally can't do that with physical goods, once something is sold it's out of your hands. The only times it's ever actually been successfully done is when it involves software. Plus, due to the nature of the product, how do you even differentiate between a set made by that company and a model that just happens to use the parts? If LEGO really is demanding that, there's not much I can say other than TLG's execs and entire legal team should be institutionalized.
Unfortunately, knowing the global political climate and how governments favor corporations at the expense of everyone else, I can see even EU courts ALLOWING TLG to make these demands and upholding them despite their lack of legality. This is a symptom of a larger problem beyond the scope of LEGO or model trains.
Still, there's so many problems here that I'm questioning whether this is actually happening. I've seen some ridiculous lawsuits. The RC hobby, for example, is full of them, all originating from one brand trying to shut down everyone else and nearly succeeding in some cases. But this beats out ANY I've seen.
For what it's worth, my parents had a Kodak instant camera years ago that Polaroid sued over with a similar result. What happened is that they got a letter from Kodak saying "Here is your refund, please destroy the camera." Which they then stuck with the camera in a box that I found in the basement decades later. Based on that, my impression is that while you can't _require_ the customer to send the items back to the manufacturer, you can require the manufacturer to offer to buy them back and destroy the ones they buy back, or to send the customers refunds and ask them to destroy the items.
Whether Lego would be successful in this particular case in getting such a judgement is a different matter, of course.
@@BrooksMoses
And that's the most LEGO would be able to do. They wouldn't be able to actually force the customer to actually give the set back in response. That's probably why LEGO _wants_ customer info, so they can try and bully them into compliance, but that turns into a GDPR violation and would put the entirety of TLG at risk since they're based out of the EU where the GDPR is in full effect. And I'd be surprised if TLG is stupid enough to risk their very existence as a company over a dispute with a company catering to a niche within a niche.
I seriously hope they successfully counter-sue for antitrust, specifically anti-competitive conduct, and get a huge settlement from Lego. Not only would it save HA Bricks, but it would let them invest in their company to make it even better, and it would also make Lego back off from future lawsuits. Plus, under GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation), the whole "handing over customer data" bit is straight up illegal. EDIT: I'm pretty sure they tried something similar in the past and lost because they've lost their patent in most countries, so I have no idea why they're trying it again.
100% agree with you on this, be interesting to follow as this develops...
"Hand over customer data to Lego".
That absolutely is against EU data protection laws, no way this is legal. If some illegal activities are suspected, then the authorities may access certain data with a court order. But definitely not another private company.
They can't have customer data, I think that breaks some kind of EU law. And if I bought something, I own it and the company that made it can talk to someone else.
That entire list of demands is saber rattling.
Yeah, GDPR: General Data Protection Regulation.
Exactly! If I buy it, it's mine!
To counter your point: Volkswagen just seized 22 SUVs imported from China, these are original VW vehicles with Chinese specs, and VW is literally destroying dealers by seizing 2 Million Euro worth of cars just to keep the Chinese VW off the EU streets because it is cheaper. If you buy on the grey market it can very well still be seized.
So are we in the future going to see official LEGO sets with a warning label: 'Bricks included in this set can only be utilized in building the actual model depicted on the box' ...?
If they don't want people doing custom train parts, then MAKE NEW PARTS.
Top comment right here
@@rhuman8672 they make new molds for single sets all the time, I don't know why they hate doing any kind of Loco that isn't Diesel or Electric and can reuse the bogies. They used to make awesome steam engines like the Emerald Night or any of those 70s(?) ones based on German designs. What happened to steamers in Lego? 🤷♂️
@@totallytidmouth good question, I’m guessing that they are currently more interested in fiction eg Star Wars, Harry Potter, Disney etc. franchises are something people really latch on to
Lego ignores far to many requests. Better train sets should be made every year. Get a Disney exclusive for monorail sets, better sets for historic trains. This is why fans are archiving instruction manuals digitially because we know eventually Lego will just abandon it and we will not have those set designs anymore anywhere.
Lego as every corporation is run by statistical data. If train sets would sell well, Lego would produce more train sets. If they "ignore requests" that means they simply do not sell.
@@randomnickifyLego is too invested in Disney. Not invested in customer demand so much. Railway is very popular and a feature of most Lego city set ups. But most people are having to build their own trains. HA has been been going for some years now, which it certainly wouldn't have without a good customer base.
If only Lego cared this much about the quality control & printing quality of their OWN products. Absolutely insane - I get that they'd be upset if the logos on the parts were from some other company not partnered with Lego (as that risks them getting sued, this has been known for a while now) but custom prints in general are fine
Lego is an absolute joke of a company at this point; amazing product, but terrible company
The thing I think is going on here is Lego definitely knows that there is a demand for the Lego train line but they are probably now going to try and take down these 3rd party sellers so then when they release a new set for $500 Lego train buyers would end up purchasing several of there are no 3rd party sellers on the market. If you want more wheels and have to go through Lego they take the profit weather it is brick link or new sets sold at the store. And the customer data I think is a sign they want to do that. To see if the buyers of HA bricks are buying Lego train sets to or afterwards. It is just a guess at the end of the day but I do want to see where this ends up going at this rate. I hopefully HA bricks is successful but only time will tell.
Aleast we still have Cobi. Considering that they made amazing BR 52.
@@gamerfan8445 true but they aren’t as well known they need to get their name out there a bit more
I don't think they're going to release a train set. What they're probably doing is trying to kill off any business who's very existence disproves LEGO's claims that "it wouldn't sell".
@legotech7268 Cobi already showed how good they are already. Considering that British tank museums is a customer.
@@gamerfan8445
The downside with Cobi is their limited product selection. A vast majority of their products are WWI/WWII era tanks and aircraft, which is great if you like that but not if you're looking for something a bit more fanciful. Beyond that it's mostly licensed sets of modern or iconic vehicles.
Also, their figures are ugly. A lot of detail, which you would think would be good, except its semi-realistic detail on minifigure proportions which really doesn't work.
Thanks for talking about this, Luke, very much of the same opinion, this is so frustrating.
Are Lego also going to go after others with similar roller bearing products, Brick Train Depot and Brick Model Railroader, for example?!
I doubt Lego will go after the American based ones due to the US laws in place, yet any European ones have clearly been put on notice by this... Associated with the US point, by looking at the mess Formula One is getting into with Andretti Global regarding anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws within the US has spiralled from legal to political levels, I do have to wonder about the direction of certain corporate law decisions, that seem to do nothing positive for brand image and shoot themselves in the foot... Happened multiple times this year alone already...
It raises questions on decision making regarding what/who is worthwhile going after without causing more self inflicted brand image damage via legal decisions which do effectively little to no real benefit and take barely any account of the negative connotations for brand opinion by driving a greater wedge between Lego and fans (who are often well off enough to spend at least couple of thousand all told EACH on Lego per year, as custom trains aren't cheap)...
Personally, I'm especially frustrated because HA Bricks has been working on injection moulded train wheels for quite some time and due to this happening, the wheels will have much less chance of seeing the light of day!
Well done on upsetting Lego train builders and buyers even further than you already have, Lego! 😕👍
The passion was real in this video. Thanks for the update!
Honestly I’m not happy with Lego with the train sets they’ve done lately. Or ones that aren’t in my interests. I found some great trains on Amazon and even though they aren’t cheap, I’ll buy those because they’re in what I’m interested in. Example is Union Pacific Big Boy, 4014, like that locomotive will worked with Lego’s stupid curves they have . But they won’t do it because it could bankrupt them. Uhh… what? How can you said that when you have released sets that are over $300-$700 for sets that are Adult-only? When you can make smaller sets for ppl to purchased them without burning a hole in their wallet.
Also they’re being stupid on suing this company. Why would it worked to their favor? They did it once and lost because of patent laws, so what’s the point for them to do so again! It’s so ridiculous.
Here is my point, as someone who knows very little about law. Does LEGO really have a case? Considering people can resell items or even slightly modify them as long as they had bought them in the first place. In my eyes what HA is doing, is just like me buying a LEGO set adding an extra brick that wasn't there and reselling it.
It's a matter of scale. If you do that for some random bricks as a user then no one cares. If you do that as a business en masse, you are breaking the law.
Worth pointing out, the Orient Express sets are the last dying breath of exhausting the plastic crap clip axles, the Hogwarts Express set has metal axles! But on that similar note, I am still feeling burned by the toxicity and shitstorm surrounding that set because it wasn't this, it wasn't that. You've hit the nail on the head with Lego not be willing to producing sets. It feels like they are using HA Bricks to make an example of this market that has grown well beyond what Lego has provided to us. There will always be the "My Own Train" standard 6-Wide builders who stick to what is provided to them to run around their examples. For the model railroaders, we've done what our hobby has always done, innovate and grow. Its our medium, and I worry that Lego is more concerned about us using their name as a catch-all to the name (perhaps if we referred to OO Gauge as Hornby Trains?) when there are so many small niche companies that have gone into builds for a "serious" model. I'd say its about time we start to distance from Lego's branding in our name, and that we are L-Gauge, dunno.
Not sure. Lego sucks for this, worried the backlash spirals out of control, but I'm just going to keep calm and keep building.
Wait there brining metal axels back
@@chasechildress2720the 76423 Hogwarts Express (the little one with two passenger coaches) has metal axles.
So if a car dealership puts a bumper sticker on their cars before they sell them, the manufacturer can demand they all be bought back and returned?
This is so stupid i own the brick i should be able to do whatever i want to do with it and resell it. Its my property.
The website does actually state it uses custom bricks besides lego branded ones below the products and even on the box.
only part I'm confused by is the customer data. Why the hell would Lego want that? They pretend the train fans don't even exist to begin with. They wouldn't use it to make more train shit. What would they want that data? They want to IP ban anyone who bought from HA and not allow them to buy Lego ever again? The customer data thing makes no sense
and why HAbricks specifically? Are they the only ones Lego will go after or is this just the start on Lego cracking down on fanmade train stuff?
HA buy and use lego branded bricks in their sets, they're modified in some cases but it's within HA's right to do so
I've stopped buying Lego recently as their quality is just going down hill and they aren't listening to train fans at all. A company known as Mould King seems to do what Lego isn't
At least they can’t go against sites like Breckland Bricks that make custom Lego compatible parts. I hope they don’t either, since I’m very reliant on sites like those to improve my models.
Lego is now Hammering in multiple Lyrics of "Beautiful World" by Devo.
This suing is in the US, right? They can't ask for customer data in the EU because of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)... HA Bricks can't share EU customer data without express customer approval.
It's a Danish company suing a Dutch company
@@TritonBrickRailway , thanks for the clarification. My point stands regarding the location of the suing, regarding the GDPR...
Wait you can't print on Lego official goods even you buy it legally? Then those custom print on clone trooper all illegal now?
It's, weird... you're technically not allowed to print on to minifigures anymore but this goes into the debate of doing what you want once you've bought the bricks
I love the product, but increasingly hate the corporation.
LEGO keep throwing good money after bad on short lived themes that nobody bought - Hidden Side, VIDIYO and DREAMZzzz will be almost certainly be next. But they won’t nurture their corner of the most popular adult hobby in the world - model railroading - which would be a guaranteed perpetual cash-cow for LEGO.
"bUt TrAiNs DoN't SeLl!" - some idiot in LEGO's marketing department.
Of course they're not going to sell if you don't even make them available anywhere other than your online store. It's LEGO's own fault they keep shooting themselves in the foot.
All we need now is a company that can put out bricks with comparable quality to LEGO, and TLG would be eating dirt.
This ain’t like your usual stuff but I can dig it. Would be cool to see more vids of your thoughts on certain things.
I think this is my second or third on this video type. Would love to do more like this
I may sound conspiratorial here but being forced to hand over all consumer data to LEGO sounds as though there's a possibility that LEGO could always try to find some way to punish those customers in the future?
Very unlikely they'd punish them as that would greatly harm business
@@TritonBrickRailway
I don't think it'd harm them enough to care. Too many people buy their products out of blind brand loyalty, and not even to the LEGO brand itself but rather the owners of the various IPs LEGO holds licenses for.
On the bit about Nerf, the blasters themselves have had "Do not modify darts or blaster" molded into the casing for like two decades, even back in the days when Nerf Haven would get sent blasters early so they could start coming up with mods before the street date.
its the customer data they really after
Just started the video but if I want something like the old Santa Fe diesel train from Lego it’s thousands of dollars but I can get similar old diesel engines on Amazon for like $120 with a full set (quality may very) in all honesty if LEGO is not going to actively make a bunch of trains & support hard-core Lego train fans which I am a mild casual then don’t come after those who do.
In all honesty even if a company is kind of stepping on your feet with using official Lego & modifying it unless you’re going to supply people with really cool affordable, accurate trains of all sorts of types just leave people alone unless it’s something ridiculously offensive something like racist or what not i’d argue just let it be.
Yes I agree LEGO needs to chill out
Moral of the story - we're screwed
I'm guessing, if LEGO's demands were translated correctly, then LEGO is playing hard ball - asking for something completely unreasonable so that the judge will dial it back to reasonableness. Its possible they dont actually want all of that, and would certainly take it, but are expecting less.
EDIT: realistically their asking for customer data is probably intended to obtain basic sales data - to determine how many of each set was sold.
13:08 You probably won't see this comment, but I'll say it anyways. This part here is important for everyone because usually people don't care what happens to things they like or are a part of UNTIL it affects them. Then they get angry but it's too late to put out that fire. So it's best to see it now and do something about it than not do anything and watch something you used to love die.
I would also like to point out that I'm not a big fan of Lego trains because I'm more into Castle and both are very expensive but I have absolutely no problem with Lego train fans because I've never heard you guys complaining about everything so loud the whole Lego community hears you. *cough Star Wars.*
@@aridmoon1944 We are still a niche group and it's rare for wider afols to hear us with our specific woes. And I like the star wars connection XD The people who hate lego trains the most are lego train fans XD
Custom bricks are fine.
Regarding custom printed bricks, the case literally says (part 2.9), “We understand that the AFOL Community would still like to celebrate their community events and activities via use of customized items and are pleased to confirm that according to current corporate policy fans are free to print graphics on LEGO brick elements and custom builds made of LEGO brick elements to celebrate your community activities and events.”
This applies to Minifigures too. The prohibition is only not to print other brands or trademarked images on Minifigures, because they are themselves trademarked, which apparently causes a problem under trademark law.
There is a separate part (2.6.1.2.4) that says that *BrickLink sellers* agree not to sell any printed or customized parts. This a rule for the LEGO-owned reseller marketplace, and is part of the terms of service that the sellers agree to.
Maybe LEGO can make more Lego trains/related products
They could, but will they?
Im now expecting multiple lawsuits from Ford and VW going back 30 years. I certainly modified those cars and later sold them using their trade mark Logo. Everyone does what HA bricks has done all the time and yet we do not get sued. Its almost like Lego took a look around and saw companies doing things customers want and thought, "We best squash this NOW before they get big". This lawsuit seems so bizarre and unreasonable you have to think there is way more going on here, or Lego are evil....I think it is the second one.
Hanlon's razor. Don't assume malice when stupidity would suffice. I think you're right that LEGO is doing this because they saw how popular third-party specialized components are becoming, but they're doing this because they're blinded by greed, not because they have some sort of evil plan to monopolize the market and take over the world. They probably don't even realize that half of their demands aren't even legal. (forced buybacks would both go against basic property law AND would be impossible to enforce anyway, and demanding customer data would violate the GDPR in the EU, which just so happens to be the jurisdiction LEGO operates inside of).
Unfortunately, despite all that I still see this lawsuit going through, due to how governments these days favor big corporations over the people.
I feel that if LEGO wants to buy the rights to manufacture certain train parts (as long as they keep them available on the market) then they can do that, if they make a good enough deal with the company they buy them from. However, if they don't allow people to sell their own designs, that is a bit more controlling. I think if they sold more train parts, people would love it, and if they offer to buy your design to sell as a set for a few years, that's fine too. But if they just make the LEGO Train hobby illegal, then that is leaning into something like socailisim.
It’s not socialism, it’s authoritarianism- basically the exact opposite of socialism.
LEGO wants to be in control of everything related to plastic brick-building toys. They want to be the only ones who control that market- a monopoly. It’s why they bought Bricklink.
If they were going to do something ACTUALLY socialist, they never would have patented the bricks in the first place, and let anyone make plastic bricks, let anyone modify and sell the bricks they make, share the profits they make equally among their employees, give away sets for free perhaps.
That’s exactly the opposite of what LEGO wants to do.
Considering the historical collectability of model trains, I am surprised that Lego has never seriously branched into train modeling
A lot of people who do model trains stick to one gauge, it's an expensive hobby after all. But they can still get countless people who gauge in lego trains if they just released a few more sets each year! They are leaving money on the table. Or in this case taking money off someone else's table
@@TritonBrickRailway Even just selling reasonably priced track packs (that don't bundled with other types) would be a massive improvement!
I have to agree with Lego buying Bricklink issue, it really hurts them. I noticed how long it has been taking for new lego sets to get parts added to the site. Months.... this is most likely for Lego to make initial sales of sets prior to it hit there. I really miss 9v, wish they would add 9v to Bluetooth for trackside like operating switches. If they don't when they lose copyright someone else will. By combining 9v and Bluetooth they could do amazing things.... this would give them an opportunity to copyright new parts for 9v.
If i buy wood do i need permission from the distributor to sell a table i made from it. And if not why are legos different
You don't and they're not. TLG is being stupid here. The only thing I can think of that might be a concern is if HA Bricks' components still had LEGO branding on them, which could be considered a trademark issue. But that doesn't seem to be the direction LEGO is going with this.
Any real source to this such as the court filings or is this entire thing based on nothing more than a Facebook post?
Court details were made known on the lego trains reddit page, couldn't find much else in my research
As a outsider. Do think it possible for the lego train community can prefrom a boycott against lego?
Not possible. Most builders will refuse clone bricks so buying sets from other companies, as nice as they are, are instantly avoided by some. Sadly that doesn't help them in this case, but Lego won't make those sets either
@@TritonBrickRailway from the Ho scale community. I wish you guys luck on whatever going to happen.
Patent was lost on 60's Mega Blocks says Hi Lego
Don’t get why Lego goes after all the little guys
Because lego want you to have fun their way
Any chance we can see an actual copy of the lawsuit?
GPDR wants to say hi to LEGO ^^
Lego still makes money on every official Lego brick that HA Bricks purchased. Since they changed the rules, he should sue them to recoup his costs. He could also demand that lego permits him to sell ALL parts that are Lego and were NOT modified. It is very unreasonable to demand he destroys Legitimate unmodified bricks, even within Lego rules.
The Customer Information should be secure... he just needs a better lawyer not the cheapest.
Their demands seem excessive and would push for it to be thrown out of court, I hope, especially with EU privacy laws? I don't really know though. I can see why they'd want to sue, to protect their brand identity but in this case, its asinine to sue someone who promotes buying more lego.
I hope they don't sue the custom minifigure makers, they haven't yet as far as I know, especially my precious custom clone troopers, but I do see the recent Fives and Saw Guerrera figures as sort of attacks at the custom makers, since its so out of left field and imo didn't make that much sense for lego to make.
The more Lego does this, the more I am tempted to start buying from their competitors. Just out of spite!
well Lego probably cannot follow train demand and here we are
The only 'demand' is we see another set or 2 each year, and not something added to the city line
The heck? Isn't this literally illegal.
I'm finding the space range quite lack lustre personally.
H a bricks should have really thought about using the Lego parts like you said they could have went through we breaks or go bricks
I’ve already destroyed mine. So there
By parting it out or binning it?
I’m just saying they aren’t getting mine. Are they going to come to the house and search?
There is no way HA is by law be forced to hand over private information. And if the TLG forced them.
Pass the parcel.
The ruling showed no info is being transferred
I think Lego is being easy on them ..they have to enforce some type of action to prevent further companies from profiting off their brand .if not everbody would just pay the tiny fine and keep on selling .there are companies that dump thousands of gallons of waste into bays and oceans ..they pay a fine which is cheaper than doing the right thing and disposing of it properly..but if the govt would increase those penalties the companies would comply .Lego has endless money to fight so that's what they will do and choke out all the little guys😊
HA is actually very honest about using lego etc. Lego is probably ticked off because they didn't bother to invest in this market. Customer lists should be private but a lot if businesses routinely share customer lists with other businesses for related sales marketing. I hope HA can win this. Lego is turning into a greedy corporate bully.
The only good thing I can think of straight away with lego as a company is it's still run by the founding family. Once they sell the company, that's where BIG bully trouble begins
Here is my politically correct reason for all of this. After reading deeper into this issue, I found the reason for this Lawsuit. The short answer. Trademark violations. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. The issues appears to be petty and anal and you may think a lawsuit is a bit extreme and a waste of time and money for something so small. If so, you're correct, it is! However! Legally they (Lego) has no choice, if they let one slide, that case will make it difficult to protect themselves when a larger and serious issue of trademark infringement occurs. I personally think a better, easier, and cheaper way to handle this would be a cease and desist letter including a list of infractions that need to be changed ... and maybe from HA Bricks an apology letter to Lego and his customers for any misunderstandings. Concluding: Is it as simple as Lego being super anal? Is there something more I missed? Or ... did HA Bricks actually do something really stupid not mentioned?
They need to learn when to lego....
The fact that it happened on Monday the 13th, really speaks volumes of the amount of bad luck.
Better than Friday 13th
Its because it used LEGO
I hate Lego now. They are a vile company. They also ruined a tiny shop in Austria.
HA bricks made one big mistake.
Never use Lego branded bricks. Just use any other brands.
Lego even hates their customers. This is why you don’t get decent trains.
It is against legos policy. Trains are not good anymore. Only Disney and star wars sets.
This is the future
HA Bricks lost the case. Lego won. It's ridiculous.
Do you have any sources of this result?
I confirm. Got news by netherlands guy
Yall just figuring out that lego stinks.
Why does Lego want the customer data? To blacklist people?
No idea, lego would be doing themselves a huge disservice if so
That is very likely. I think that also was the reason to buy bricklink. When I buy parts from Lego that are expensive on bricklink I receive them scratched. The scratches are not from transport but deliberately made, to prevent you sell them on bricklink. I also have lots of trouble ordering, parts are suddenly out of stock but they are still on the website. The money you already paid is not refunded.
dude, don't drama queen the situation, LEGO demands are not all going to be agreed upon, LEGO kind of exaggerate, but that's why a judge will settle this
Fair, these were first reactions too
LEGO fucking won dude
what about brickmania?
Good point
Is it time to boycott?
Just stop buying Lego shit. They jumped the shark.