A Look at A Time to Stand (Deep Space Nine)
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- čas přidán 18. 03. 2023
- Opinionated DS9 Episode Guide continues it's looking at the start of the Dominion War. The Dominion controls DS9 and to make things worse, Sisko also has to trade in his baby for a Jem'hadar ship. They need to destroy a secret base and get back home intact... well, they manage half of that, anyway...
Wait. A time to stand. An episode where they’re on a ship with no chairs.
I’m only now noticing this. It was on purpose, please tell me it was.
Talk about a homophone.
And no, I don't mean a phone belonging to a gay person.
The occupied DS9 arc was great. It's so rare to see things from the villain's perspective in Trek. It's so interesting to see the Dominion's scheming and the tension between the Cardassians and Dominion. I wanted it to be even longer, not the whole season but 10 or 12 episodes.
As for Jake, the writers were never sure what to do with the character. While I think having him stay on DS9 ended up being a good decision, I think they either should have taken more time to set him up as a journalist or created some other reason for why he was left behind.
Chuckled at how they needed to show how that mighty damn awesome huge fleet of Federation and Klingons from the end of Call to Arms got its ass massively handed to them at the beginning of A Time to Stand because of a miscommunication and the effects team being too good at their jobs.
I always thought the fleet was sent elsewhere post credits.
I can totally see Weyoun correct Jake about it's a theocracy not oligarchy x3
Weyoun is fantastic in this episode.
Imagine Jake retorting "What's the difference?"
@@tarvoc746 Theocracy is worse.
@@bthsr7113 Mh, ça dépend. Generally speaking, theocracies have far stricter rules and harsher and more atrocious enforcement than secular regimes, because that's what you get when your law is divine and unnegotiable. Politically, they generally tend to be more atrocious, not least simply because political life and a claim to absolute authority don't mix well. On the other hand, an oligarchy legitimizing itself purely via religion (i. e. a theocracy) is also often less economically exploitative than a more secular oligarchy, because if your power and legitimacy relies solely on religion, it also needs an at least somewhat functioning social life on a local and communal level to even function at all, and thus can't easily bleed its citizens dry economically without losing the foundation of its own power - although I'm sure the Founders will have no such scruples. (The Dominion doesn't even have a proper religion, just a really weird, abstract notion of the Founders' Godhood.)
I loved the Odo and Weyoun bit. It's a hard thing to manipulate someone you class as a God.
It was a miscommunication? Well that's a hilarious answer to the gut punch it ended up giving us
Bashir should just be thankful that he is not on board the USS Voyager .
Jake's decision to remain makes sense in character and his belief that the Dominion would not harm the Son of a religious figure of pseudo-friend they kind of need is mostly logical .But none of that is important .What is important is that the writers needed Jake to stay in the show and he could not do that if he left .He would have been sent to Earth .
I like the complaint about lack of seats considering federation ships have standing position for about half of a bridge crew.
I think ST:Picard finally has chairs for everyone, or at least for the stations that are expected to be always manned. It was definitely ridiculous before.
" Not living to die for the Founders. " No, I'm not suggesting any parallels. Not at all.🤣
"Who builds a bridge without a window?" People who saw Return of the Jedi and what happened the flagship of the Empire?
Also the photon torpedo net...I did expect a warp hole to open and spit out Voyager so Janeway could beat up Sisko till he declared it was her idea...and she could go antimatter fishing.
Let's all go to the lobby
Let's all go to the lobby
To get ourselves a treat!
God, I love Weyoun.
I love the Lawful Evil of the Dominion. While they do great harm, there is always a purpose. It's never cruelty for cruelty's sake. Obey their laws and your species can flourish under them.
I wouldn't say flourish. It seems the Dominion will take the strong part of a culture and extinguish the rest. Say the Dominion won the war. Earth would be for engineers, Vulcan will be for scientists, Betazeds would be spies... Klingons would probably be wiped out. Your culture would stagnant into one field.
Disobey and you are an endangered species .
I’d say that’s more weyoun. The founders are perfectly willing to be petty and just kill over any perceived slight remember when the female changling talks to garak “they’re dead, your dead. Your people signed your death warrant ever since they chose to attack us”
@@tenkenroo True,, but as a toady and as a henchman in chief, Weyoun has no problem to act as a willing accessory to mass murder .
*The Quickening intensifies*
Every once in a while Chuck swings hard reactionary, and it takes me a while to forget again.
I guess it makes sense they didn't install a replicator or other Federation tech on the Jem'Hadar ship. We don't know how efficient Dominion scanning technology is. You wouldn't want to risk getting caught when they pick up a Starfleet power signature on board.
Just how they're gonna hide the fact the ship is operated by humans, a Cardassian and a Ferengi? Well... *sigh*. Got me there. Just as it's a major leap in logic that Garak assumed Cardassian physiology was better equipped to handle the Dominion VR headset just because they saw Gul Dukat wear it during the attack on the station. Who knows how long he wore it or how bad his head hurt? Still, it was a nice way to give Garak something to do.
I remember being so mad at Jake for staying behind. I still can't understand it.
What, a teenage boy doing something stupid?
@@BobSentell I think he was grown then but still mad. Lol
Actually, I think it was the one cool thing Jake did. Until he stood up and stayed behind, to me, he was a bit of a nebbish.
In DS9, especially in the Dominion War story, a lot of time was spent with the antagonists. I wonder where it would rank in that category among all the shows and movies. Wrath, Nemesis, then DS9? Statistically, someone has to have put in the work to calculate this.
I remember seeing Admiral Ross in this series and I thought…wait, how did Carl Winslow’s boss become a Starfleet admiral? Kidding, RIP Barry Jenner
The centaur is a great kitbash,!
you get the like just from the red oct ref...
Ha ha "to seek out new life That kicks our aft shuttlebays"
love this ep! :)
That story about the miscommunication with the fleet reminds me of what WoW did with Garrosh in Stonetalon Mountain being at odds with the direction they planned to take him. It gave me such high hopes he'd be a good Warchief, only for the only bad part of Pandaria to shatter those hopes and stomp them into the ground.
Garrosh went from "My dad was the worst ever!" when we first meet him straight to "Grom did nothing wrong!" somehow missing the major point that while Grom died a hero he nearly damned his people first... and that the core lesson Grom learned to become a hero was that some power comes at too high a price.
@@boobah5643 I swear, Blizzard must've had no clue what to do with him when they decided to use him in Wrath. That's the only way I can explain him and Varian being basically the same character in Wrath and ending up where they both did in Cataclysm and Pandaria with as little justification for either.
great job
Best commentary ever
I thought it was kind of cool to see a bridge that used the AR headsets for visuals instead of a view screen or window.
Touche!
I wonder if a replicator could make ketracel white?
The only real problem in this episode is Jake & his style of shoe leather journalism. Otherwise, this is a fairly good episode!
Back when Star Trek was worth watching.
Back when the internet didn't give a platform for nostalgic idiots.