It's unfathomable to think that they'd wallpaper over a work of art... until you remember that when linoluem came out people laid that stuff over georgeous wood floors and even marble. Keeping up with trends has destroyed a lot of history.
Marble is not that important in Europe as in the states. We were just middle class. My father was an E-7 and the house we rented had marble steps in the front and back of the house. The window seals were marble ans so was the tub. Nothing special about it
That's interesting. In the states (or at least the midwest) if a house has marble flooring it's likely the first thing listed on a realtor sale sheet. @@pigoff123
There are various types of marble and some is very expensive and it's very valuable in Europe. Italians would concur with this as they send a lot of marble and other stone all over the globe. Their is also something called soapstone which looks remarkably like marble but is very soft relatively speaking and can be damaged easily and even cut with a serrated dinner knife! @@pigoff123
Twenty year old wood - seasoned so it doesnt move - a good lesson for builders today …. Youd be lucky to get a bit of wood over twenty days old now mate 😂
There's an episode where the bottoms of the drawers of a 1700's chest are made from carved and painted wood panels from the 1500's. The expert said that they had clearly been carved and then not used -just set aside in a corner of a wood yard for 150+ years until someone just pulled them out to use as the drawer bottoms for a piece of furniture he was making. Now that's seasoning!
@@trendtalklive What an ordeal it is restoring old houses built in an era where 8 inch and larger square beams were commonplace. The hunt for timber is as or more time consuming than the repairs themselves. So much is multiple thin pieces glued together to get to the large size, but the end result often doesn't stand the test of time.
We visited Wrest Park near Bedford in England on the day they were allowing the public to see the ancient Chinese wall coverings they had just found hidden for decades. They were magnificent and felt very privileged to be able to see them. Not sure if you still can as it was many years ago when we visited.
Lovely! The pride in straight lines, geometry & symmetry really shines out of the painting, lol. Landscapers & gardeners have seemingly always had a passion for the contrast of the wildness & the tamed.
I remember removing multiple layers of wallpaper in my Edwardian terraced house in Liverpool. In the kitchen we uncovered a mural of a fantasy sea scape. Treasure Island, with a galleon, filled one whole wall. The wife made me paint over it!
@@stewartmackay But fashions and collectability change. I'm not saying what it's worth as I have no idea, but it may not have gone up in value, and could even be less nowadays potentially.
Wow, I lived in an old house built in the 1700s in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. We also had multiple layers of wallpaper, but it never occurred to us to peel away the layers to see what was underneath! Now I kinda wish we had!
When my parents bought their farm in 1960 in Sydney there was one of those two man saws stored up on the inside of the roof of the shed. It must’ve been used to saw down those huge Eucalyptus trees in the 1800’s.
I'm wondering if the reason the painting was wall-papered over was because at the time (and being rather wealthy on such a house) perhaps they the owners of said painting, didn't think it was executed very well, nor by an artist of distinction, nor relatively expensive, therefore the only thing making it moderately valuable today, is the age! Which in my humble opinion, is still a worthy reason for showing it on this wonderfully British BBC TV show, the long running "Antiques Roadshow", if I'm not mistaken. Did they even say by whom it was painted? Perhaps the original house owner 'had a bash at painting', thought it poor and hid it for fun. However, it seems rather peculiar that anyone would instruct their decorators to paper over a painting they could easily have given away to staff to sell for a few guineas or pounds and farthings! No! No! What am I thinking! Someone of standing of that period would surely not do such a thing as give it away only to have locals laugh at their poor artistic skills, nor would they spare a thought for the poor staff who would appreciate an extra few coins from any extra trinket, on the contrary, trying to hold on to one's jewellery and objéd'art with pilfering oikes abroad in the countryside would be more the mindset of the wealthy! Gifts could blur the lines between positions and one's station. Just like you and the big boss at work! It's just the same except that these wealthy were often better educated than today on a broader spectrum of subjects, and the poor, lesser so than today's poor, at least ostensibly in developed countries, and surprisingly moreso now in most countries but I digress; To the wallpaper and painting conundrum, I shouldn't be surprised if there were a stain on the old wallpaper, perhaps red wine or tea (no milk)!🍷☕ The Master of the house, perhaps having a dislike for the painting, flippantly suggested using it as a stain blocker, pointing out that the oil paint would serve as a good barrier under the new wallpaper! 😅 You know... ...That could be exactly what happened!🎯 I shall pat myself on the back and award myself a medal, thus: 🥇 🎩 Tally ho! Is it time for a tot of Rosehip wine? 😂
Feels unreasonable to price something so old at such a low price. Even if the artist is forgotten and the building no more, rarity of a piece like this has to be absurd? Disclaimer: no idea what I’m talking about
My favourite episode was when that chap brought in Excalibur after buying it off some lady who lived near a lake. Or in the lake. Something like that. I forget what the valuation was but I do recall it was rather spendy.
"Old" doesn't mean valuable. I once found a book at a sale that was published in 1821, in not bad condition. Was only valued at £150 because it wasn't necessarily rare nor desired by collectors.
I'm glad they saved the painting but terrified to hear about the destruction of architectural features.... why buy an old house if you're going to strip it? I'd have left the painting where it was, on display, and decorated the room around it.
Old house have had multiple occupants living in them for centuries, people have come and people have gone. They all left there mark on it. just like this chap he’s trying to clean it up and perhaps restore it or not. He may put the panting back where it belongs after he’s finished. you can’t expect the hundreds of people that have lived there in the past not to do something to change it. Good on him for doing the job right and taking old wallpaper off the walls. Look what he found if he hadn’t the panting could have been lost forever.
Hi, My auntie and uncle (in this clip) brought their house in 1971 and it was derelict, part of the agreement to buy it was to renovate to a high standard, it had to be done with the approval of the history authorities.
@@louisdevenish8767 Your aunt and uncle are doing the best they can with a place that has been deteriorating left derelict and they are no doubt under the scrutiny of the National Trust or some national heritage agency. The roof may have leaked etc, wall paper does not last forever and the house may have been in quite state. Well done to your aunt and uncle. - There will be people here who criticize, the main reason is that they don't realise there are real ordinary people behind the stories and comments, people who have feelings, as I'm sure do you. The second reason is they will be honest on their views of they doubt the family, those involved are paying any attention. Thirdly some are looking to get a reaction by making nasty comments don't be baited like a fish on a hook. Please protect yourself, your feelings and your personal information, good advice for all and advice that is given by Google, Apple.and all of them. I would advise you, as someone personally involved in the video, not to read these comments at all, in my opinion. However, I have enjoyed and really appreciate the comments you have left here as I'm sure many have, but it only takes one lunatic to really ruin one's day. Take care.
worth nothing for 300 years old...England has 100's of these lying around even better condition, in the home still. If anything this is worthless. firewood if anything.
So old but still vibrant and stunning. What a treasure.
It's unfathomable to think that they'd wallpaper over a work of art... until you remember that when linoluem came out people laid that stuff over georgeous wood floors and even marble. Keeping up with trends has destroyed a lot of history.
Marble is not that important in Europe as in the states. We were just middle class. My father was an E-7 and the house we rented had marble steps in the front and back of the house. The window seals were marble ans so was the tub. Nothing special about it
That's interesting. In the states (or at least the midwest) if a house has marble flooring it's likely the first thing listed on a realtor sale sheet. @@pigoff123
There are various types of marble and some is very expensive and it's very valuable in Europe. Italians would concur with this as they send a lot of marble and other stone all over the globe. Their is also something called soapstone which looks remarkably like marble but is very soft relatively speaking and can be damaged easily and even cut with a serrated dinner knife! @@pigoff123
@@pigoff123Perhaps now you have a greater appreciation of the house your parents were renting. I think I would, as no longer just a child.
Well said
Twenty year old wood - seasoned so it doesnt move - a good lesson for builders today ….
Youd be lucky to get a bit of wood over twenty days old now mate 😂
There's an episode where the bottoms of the drawers of a 1700's chest are made from carved and painted wood panels from the 1500's. The expert said that they had clearly been carved and then not used -just set aside in a corner of a wood yard for 150+ years until someone just pulled them out to use as the drawer bottoms for a piece of furniture he was making. Now that's seasoning!
You'd be lucky to find solid massive wood, it's all particalboard or plastic composite.
@@trendtalklive What an ordeal it is restoring old houses built in an era where 8 inch and larger square beams were commonplace. The hunt for timber is as or more time consuming than the repairs themselves. So much is multiple thin pieces glued together to get to the large size, but the end result often doesn't stand the test of time.
Absolutely beautiful
“Wow, this is amazing. I’ve never seen anything like it. This is a true national treasure! …it’s worth about tree-fiddy.”
What's tree - fiddy
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@@timturner6613
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Yes please do tell
Three dollars and fifty cents
A buck 387.
We visited Wrest Park near Bedford in England on the day they were allowing the public to see the ancient Chinese wall coverings they had just found hidden for decades. They were magnificent and felt very privileged to be able to see them. Not sure if you still can as it was many years ago when we visited.
Wow Mrs Doubtfire is still alive and well!
Right!
Her doppelgänger
In auction, that crap joke would make half a penny.
@@dougie1968 🤣
💀
Lovely!
The pride in straight lines, geometry & symmetry really shines out of the painting, lol. Landscapers & gardeners have seemingly always had a passion for the contrast of the wildness & the tamed.
I remember removing multiple layers of wallpaper in my Edwardian terraced house in Liverpool. In the kitchen we uncovered a mural of a fantasy sea scape. Treasure Island, with a galleon, filled one whole wall. The wife made me paint over it!
£10-15k in 2000 is probably closer to £30k now, and that’s just currency inflation, let alone general value increase
Not true
true. inflation calculator 15k is worth 31.641k today. @@SaydeeEnward4500
@@SaydeeEnward4500 It is true. I just used the bank of England calculator. £15,000 in 2000 would be £27,293.30 today.
@@stewartmackay But fashions and collectability change. I'm not saying what it's worth as I have no idea, but it may not have gone up in value, and could even be less nowadays potentially.
I know it's painted on wood buy I seriously doubt it weighs 15 - 20,000 pounds..... 😄
So glad they preserved it!
He just casually drops in that he’s refurbishing his Tudor house…..
There are quite a few of them around.
Every new renovation on a house will erase it’s original essence of what it stood for.
Did he mention how he &/or his parents came by their Tudor House? I think his mother's accent is rather different from from his...😮
@@ddempsey9642
Who cares...
They're probably "The Crawleys" of Tudor Hall !
🏡 >>>> 🏰 🤗😊
@@ddempsey9642 I was keen to hear her accent actually.
Wow, I lived in an old house built in the 1700s in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. We also had multiple layers of wallpaper, but it never occurred to us to peel away the layers to see what was underneath! Now I kinda wish we had!
I wonder where it is now !
The wonderful Peter Nahum. I miss him from this show.
That's amazing how it was found.
You'd think that a painting from the 1700's that large would have museums bidding for it! Should be $150,000.00 an up😅
A good painting by a well known artist yes.
It's remarkable that such a large piece was removed from the wall undamaged! I thought its value would be higher.
That lady with him looks like she teleported in feom the 1700's.
“Only 10k. I’ll go back and tell my husband to make a better one and hide it somewhere else.”
He didn't appear to be 'speechless' to me!
It was his mother actually said "I'm speechless"
@@HealthyHappyVIP-ke2un ... It's one of those nonsensical things that people say that proves the opposite! lol
@@garydavid1788 very true
Gorgeous
I would rather be there. It is gorgeous
When my parents bought their farm in 1960 in Sydney there was one of those two man saws stored up on the inside of the roof of the shed. It must’ve been used to saw down those huge Eucalyptus trees in the 1800’s.
If it was me, I would have taken mum on holiday wherever she wanted to go. ❤
This is fantastic ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Beautiful painting
I'm wondering if the reason the painting was wall-papered over was because at the time (and being rather wealthy on such a house) perhaps they the owners of said painting, didn't think it was executed very well, nor by an artist of distinction, nor relatively expensive, therefore the only thing making it moderately valuable today, is the age! Which in my humble opinion, is still a worthy reason for showing it on this wonderfully British BBC TV show, the long running "Antiques Roadshow", if I'm not mistaken. Did they even say by whom it was painted? Perhaps the original house owner 'had a bash at painting', thought it poor and hid it for fun. However, it seems rather peculiar that anyone would instruct their decorators to paper over a painting they could easily have given away to staff to sell for a few guineas or pounds and farthings! No! No! What am I thinking! Someone of standing of that period would surely not do such a thing as give it away only to have locals laugh at their poor artistic skills, nor would they spare a thought for the poor staff who would appreciate an extra few coins from any extra trinket, on the contrary, trying to hold on to one's jewellery and objéd'art with pilfering oikes abroad in the countryside would be more the mindset of the wealthy! Gifts could blur the lines between positions and one's station. Just like you and the big boss at work! It's just the same except that these wealthy were often better educated than today on a broader spectrum of subjects, and the poor, lesser so than today's poor, at least ostensibly in developed countries, and surprisingly moreso now in most countries but I digress;
To the wallpaper and painting conundrum, I shouldn't be surprised if there were a stain on the old wallpaper, perhaps red wine or tea (no milk)!🍷☕
The Master of the house, perhaps having a dislike for the painting, flippantly suggested using it as a stain blocker, pointing out that the oil paint would serve as a good barrier under the new wallpaper! 😅 You know...
...That could be exactly what happened!🎯 I shall pat myself on the back and award myself a medal, thus: 🥇 🎩 Tally ho! Is it time for a tot of Rosehip wine? 😂
So where's this house at?? That would be incredible to find the house
The house reminds me of Kew Palace
To me it looks more like Hillersdon House.
That looks like a Wedgwood House in Barlaston
Yes! I was thinking Hillersdon House.
Speechless......I'm speechless 😕
Owner was left speechless because he was hoping for more
Feels unreasonable to price something so old at such a low price. Even if the artist is forgotten and the building no more, rarity of a piece like this has to be absurd? Disclaimer: no idea what I’m talking about
That's the althorp estate!!!!!!!! Why did the appraiser not know that!????!!!! I just saw it again when Earl Spencer althorp was giving a tour!!!!!!!
I have no idea how they managed to get that on the bus 😁
Most curious thing is if you look up the painting the chap bought it. Peter is dead now but must have made him an offer.
100% nicked
They are without speech.
Sad to think that with all the history of England, it has now gone and will never be the same again.
My favourite episode was when that chap brought in Excalibur after buying it off some lady who lived near a lake. Or in the lake. Something like that. I forget what the valuation was but I do recall it was rather spendy.
They look like time travelers
Rick Harrison would have easily given them 10 to 15 - he wouldn't even bother with the 3 zeroes.
The painting isn't his Tudor home but possibly what the owners wanted it to be remodeled as?
0:29 is that Mrs. Doubtfire?
if you were speechless you would be unable to say speechless therefore you were not speechless
10 to 15 thousand for a painting like this old. This guy is taking them to the cleaners and stealing it from them.
He is only giving his appraisal as at year 2000.
"Old" doesn't mean valuable. I once found a book at a sale that was published in 1821, in not bad condition. Was only valued at £150 because it wasn't necessarily rare nor desired by collectors.
I'm glad they saved the painting but terrified to hear about the destruction of architectural features.... why buy an old house if you're going to strip it? I'd have left the painting where it was, on display, and decorated the room around it.
This man has never heard of real estate.
Old house have had multiple occupants living in them for centuries, people have come and people have gone. They all left there mark on it. just like this chap he’s trying to clean it up and perhaps restore it or not. He may put the panting back where it belongs after he’s finished. you can’t expect the hundreds of people that have lived there in the past not to do something to change it. Good on him for doing the job right and taking old wallpaper off the walls. Look what he found if he hadn’t the panting could have been lost forever.
Hi, My auntie and uncle (in this clip) brought their house in 1971 and it was derelict, part of the agreement to buy it was to renovate to a high standard, it had to be done with the approval of the history authorities.
@@louisdevenish8767
Your aunt and uncle are doing the best they can with a place that has been deteriorating left derelict and they are no doubt under the scrutiny of the National Trust or some national heritage agency. The roof may have leaked etc, wall paper does not last forever and the house may have been in quite state. Well done to your aunt and uncle.
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There will be people here who criticize, the main reason is that they don't realise there are real ordinary people behind the stories and comments, people who have feelings, as I'm sure do you. The second reason is they will be honest on their views of they doubt the family, those involved are paying any attention. Thirdly some are looking to get a reaction by making nasty comments don't be baited like a fish on a hook. Please protect yourself, your feelings and your personal information, good advice for all and advice that is given by Google, Apple.and all of them. I would advise you, as someone personally involved in the video, not to read these comments at all, in my opinion. However, I have enjoyed and really appreciate the comments you have left here as I'm sure many have, but it only takes one lunatic to really ruin one's day. Take care.
He said it was a Tudor house and he took out a Victorian fireplace. If he was going back to Tudor that's not a big deal.
A lot more than that, surely?
All that talk and only 10 to 15 thousand. What a let down
What is it worth today?
More likely to find such treasure in England and the Continent.. Here in Canada, scarce as hen's teeth..
I bet that you could add a zero to that valuation today.
So speechless he spoke after 5 seconds. A bit of antique click baiting I'll wager
Ms. Doubtfire!
Was that Miss Daubtfire?
Blimey ! Me thought that neighba was About to say a hundred thousand At Least ! Guess its NOT that great !
I thought mrs doubtfire was dead
He forgot to mention the transatlantic slave trade
😂
Transatlantic slave trade..... and ?
I want 3:30 of my life back. Lol national treasure...for 15K $
This was filmed 24 years ago.
Oh and the wood is this and the land scape is blah de blah da blur
yea yea old boy, brass tax, how much?
It’s shite 😂 looks like some random bloke painted it. The perspective is all over the place and there’s very little detail.
10 to 15k?
Thats dog shit
Correct at the time year 2000.
Has the market gone up to your knowledge?
I think it’s disgusting
clickbait letdown. thanks bbc. my beat up car is worth more.
Not in 20 odd years it's not...
worth nothing for 300 years old...England has 100's of these lying around even better condition, in the home still. If anything this is worthless. firewood if anything.
Being utterly clueless, you really SHOULD be speachless !
Bip bip, cheerio, jollie good!
Wow Mrs Doubtfire is still alive and well!
@thebrooklyngardenclub225 Well spotted! 😂
He just casually drops in that he’s refurbishing his Tudor house…..
The house I grew up in is now 413 years old...
No big deal.
“Wow, this is amazing. I’ve never seen anything like it. This is a true national treasure! …it’s worth about tree-fiddy.”
Wow Mrs Doubtfire is still alive and well!
He just casually drops in that he’s refurbishing his Tudor house…..