...Who Needs Enemies? | with Sinead
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So glad Sinead is back on! She is so much more relaxed and happy than the first interview and I get the sense of someone who is now comfortable in their skin. I think she is up there as my favourite guest you have had on ❤️
In Scotland if you haven't insulted your best mate every day for the last 20yrs, is he even your mate 🤔
I dropped out of uni 2-3 times when I was young. Chronic low self esteem and didn’t believe I was capable. Eventually went back and finished my degree and later a PhD. So Sinead, anything is possible. I’m retired now, but if I were still teaching in academia I’d love to have an intelligent, thoughtful student like you. I do understand that these days the cost might be prohibitive.
The problem is autogynephilic men don’t generally admit to being autogynephilic but instead claim to be women - so how can we open up the discussion?
One way is by listening to men like Jamie/Lisa Shupe talk about it and defending their right to speak. Let’s see the interview back up as soon as Shupe can stand the destructive pushback!
There are signs/symptoms of AGP and most AGP’s are heterosexual males who claiming to be lesbians. While genuine transsexuals tend to be homosexual males who claim to be heterosexual women.
She is one of the most self reflective and inward-looking guest you had, always glad that she allowed us to have a glance of her thoughts
Such a valuable interview! Sinead can build bridges despite being very direct and even foul-mouthed! All strength to her elbow.
On the take-down of the recent Shupe interview, I am so alienated by what was behind this. It was the most powerful testimony I’ve yet seen about the bankruptcy of the medical and psychiatric establishment, telling a patient in dire distress and asking for help that they are crazy when they are at last in touch with reality.
It’s also very important that the public and the trans community learn about the existence of autogynephilia. Shupe has played such a valuable role in talking about this, and the need to provide treatment that supports the person not to harm themselves or others.
Please ask Shupe to reconsider the takedown of the video when he feels better, and to persist in speaking out. I’m a feminist and I’m repelled by the way he was demonised - not least because he spoke about the harms of pornography, gender ideology and the affirmation doctors and therapists who ignore their Hippocratic oath
I'm sorry I missed that vid! IDK what they are talking about but I'm guessing that some radfems got their drawers twisted about Benjamin platforming an AGP man. However, based on what you said, it sounds like he shares a lot of my views (& apparently yours, too) re pornography, gender ideology, & the abuse of healthy bodies by doctors. Views like that coming from an AGP man can only BENEFIT our cause! He can speak to people that would never listen to a radfem. I'll never understand cancel culture, the lack of nuance, & the insistence on purity of the Left. I say that as someone who is a progressive/liberal. The way some GC people (radfems?) seem to intentionally look for something to offend them & pick fights with other GC people is how the TRAs treat THEIR "heretics" & "infidels". The infighting is so counterproductive. I hate it.
Foul-mouthed to you....not to other Brits. So-called "cursing" has way more nuance and use here...
Shape is a hsts, detransitioner
Love Sinead, she’s fantastic. I’m so glad you’re having these conversations, Benjamin - it’s stuff like this that is going to help people escape this ideological maze. You’re like the youtube Hansel and Gretel (you pick which one you fancy identifying as!) leaving little crumbs of bread out of the woke woods…
Thank you Sinead, you’ve given me many points to raise in a letter about gender conversion to my MP.
What a terrific attitude... she acknowledges how despite her regrets, she still was able to learn a lot from the experience.
Love Sinead. Her self reflection and transparency is a amazing. Grateful she is using her experience to help others from making the same mistakes and hope therapists take note.
Thank you for this conversation. One point I disagree with Sinead on is that I care whether trans women call themselves a lesbian (including in a relationship) because lesbian spaces are few and far between and I believe that this says to trans women as a whole that they can join those spaces while they are not for them.
EDIT: Sinead said exactly that later on. Nevermind haha.
Respectful conversation though. I don't disagree with either of you on everything but it's still interesting to listen to you.
Sinead you're so wise beyond your years. I love listening to you talk.
The community she describes with detransistioners sounds a lot like groups of war veterans and survivors of other trauma. The community of trafficking survivors is similar. There is nothing like talking to someone who *really* gets it.
We need more people like Sinead who want to have the difficult conversations with people they don't agree with, who want to see other perspectives and examine their own preconceptions. She is a great example for us all and I am glad she is sharing her wisdom with the younger generation. It can't be easy for her to talk about these things, but she does so with dignity and conviction. 👏
Sinead is breath of fresh air. A brilliant mind and wickedly funny at times.
love love love this girl with all my heart. soooooo intelligent, logical just real u know. Her way of conversing, the timing along with asking questions to the host too. Really hope she does more public speak as I can listen to her all day
This conversation was great. Good on Sinead, down to Earth and braw heart. Boyce's highlighting of case by case observation is prudent.
Sinead, you are brilliant. I am not BS you. You are university material.
Because of that, I’m begging you to stop smoking. The world needs you, Sinead. Your compassion, honesty, remarkable analytical snd communication skills along with your experience as a trans/detrans person make your contribution to society invaluable.
She should at least start vaping. It's much healthier. I went from cigars to vaping and vaping is much better than smoking cigars
It's been great to watch her develop into a online voice and seem so much more at pease with herself.. also looking stunning I only say because of how she's bounced back from the testosterone which unfortunately some don't.
The interviewer is a devilish fiend ;)
I see Sinéad, I make sure I click “like”
so I can’t forget, THEN I watch and enjoy.
Hahahahaha best intro conversation ever hahaha
Also "lockin' horns" is my new favorite term for petty fights
This is an amazing conversation. Logic and reason needs to prevail.
Sinead always gives an excellent explanation of the pernicious and insidious affirmation cult she is just brilliant
Yay Sinead is back! 😀
Sinead looks happy and she looks beautiful. Her features have softened since her last interview. It is so good to see that she is doing so well and is using her gifts to do so much good for others. Bless her!
Im sooo glad to hear Imwatson/Sinead again! Always wishing she'd share more and today is one of those days
My friend and I have matching coffee cups with the “C-“ word. My niece likewise. It’s unisex. Not so in the US.
Thank you, Benjamin, for inviting Shinead back on the program. It's nice to see her doing so well.
I've really enjoyed this interview and agree with Sinead on most things. However, a problem that has been recently highlighted is this attitude to AGPs 'it's ok if they keep it in the bedroom...' it has been pointed out that many of these middle aged men are married and many have children and the damage that this narcissistic condition causes within those relationships can be catastrophic. I think the condition should be talked about and understood, but without therapeutic treatment it is not often a simple harmless kink.
Oh wow Sinead, you are so smart!
Sinead, one of my favourite guests.
Sinéad/Watson, you are an inspiration. You deserve to be a national voice. You are so sharp and analyrical and balanced and compassionate. You deserve to be recognised, my dear. You should be on these advisory bodies that Stonewall et al dominate. All power to you. x
I really enjoy listening to Sinead speak. On the subject of GC people lacking the monolith nature that the TRAs have is precisely because GC people are not held together by any ideology. People who may become "Gender Critical" are from all backgrounds with all different ideas and agendas with the only factor bringing them together is they are critical of what is happening now with the Gender Identity Ideology movement/cult. We'll have diverse reasons why, diverse priorities, and ideas on the right approach. As individual thinkers, we, who may be labeled "gender critical" are not going to be able to adopt that cult-like behavior the TRAs have. I hope people just recognize to work in your lane knowing others will do it differently. It's death by a 1000 mosquito bites that will bring success. Different strokes for different folks and that applies to your actions and to what actions reach people.
Became calmer and calmer.
De-politicizing the opinion groups, stripping the JARGON (and 4 letter words) would clarify the communication problems online and IRL
Thanks for this interview. Sinead is an amazing young woman. This conversation is so important.... we need to protect children from irreverible decisions.. after all you're not even allowed to have a tattoo in the UK until you're over 18 because it's a permanent thing and you might regret it later.... so much more so puberty blockers and cross-gender hormones.. talk first, act later.... and don't make irreversible decisons without fully understanding all the consequences... the medical profession has a lot to answer for!!
Can I also recommend Simone de Beauvoir's 'The Second Sex' - she has a good understanding/explanation as why a certain % of young women find going thru puberty particularly challenging, more so than the average, leading to body disgust etc. I think it could be helpful to read, especially for young women who are looking to transition to "solve ' their problems. It might help them stop and think before proceeding down a damaging medical route they could seriously live to regret.
I'm just so glad I'm not young today.
I see a possible future where paedophilia is destigmatised as another sexuality, and then therapy designed to treat it gets defined as conversion therapy. That is the logical conclusion. The societal stigma towards paedophilia needs to be maintained.
I’m not sure you get it. The point is that some men who molest children can’t actually change their desires. What they have to do is resolve to change their behaviour because acting it out is so harmful to children. Men who resolve to do this need to be supported rather than shamed, because we want to see them succeed in controlling their behaviour. Stigmatising and shaming undermines the effectiveness of child protection initiatives.
Most child molestation is done by opportunist men not paedophiles. If you derive satisfaction from being righteous, I suggest you focus on them
@@ebflegg seems like you’re projecting with your comment about driving satisfaction from being righteous. But go ahead, make your assumptions.
@@runningthroughrain3058 Sorry if I offended you. It’s not personal, if that’s any solace. I have just noticed in so many, including murderers and rapists in prison, the need to feel morally superior to paedophiles. There’s also the mob mentality that throws stones. That comes from a dark place, which has nothing to do with effective child protection. Btw the same person/people who drove the takedown of Shupe’s video pilloried me as well for defending therapeutic work to support paedophiles to resist their impulses. If the cap doesn’t fit you, please don’t wear it! I hope that at least, I’ve invited you to reconsider your way of framing the issue, and I’m sorry if I came on too strongly to help you do so.
Nothing causes reason to depart more powerfully than this issue. I guess that’s why BB doesn’t dare to go there. I wish he’d interview James Cantor on the irrational, aggressive pushback he’s received. I don’t know all Cantor’s opinions on the matter, but i do know that the use of social stigma pushes people into dark corners and puts children more at risk
Very enjoyable conversation. Also clarity between civility and accuracy is essential.
Sinead is always awesome.
Fantastic guest! Love her sassy smarts!
a lot of us single mothers have the fathers in our lives, we just dont live with them
Sinead is very interesting and this was a thought provoking interview.
so important - we do so need to understand each other and to call out where ideologies are standing in the way of empathy. wonderful conversation
I’m not a radical feminist however clarity of language is important and it’s best not to mess around with it when being factual. That doesn’t rule out irony, comedy or creativity.
Long time since Sinead had a boyfriend, homeless now they're so happy
A few minutes in and I'm already laughing. I love Sinead.
I’m totally fine with not calling someone out on their opinion when it’s Twitter (because it will just become a battlefield), or until those views actually hurt someone.
I always prefer to preserve friendship with people who think differently from myself, except when those thoughts are a dealbreaker.
Completely agree with Sinead on so many points. On the preferred pronouns I try to meet people in dialogue where they are at and approach them with compassion and respect. At the same time totally get why people resist it and see their pov too. It definitely is tricky to navigate. I have a limit too similar to what Sinead pointed to.
As a gay poc, I would never consider a gay person to be in a relationship with a trans to be a homosexual relationship. I would probably be rude about it too. I don't care if it hurts people's feelings. Opposite-Sex couples are different from Same-Sex couples. One thing that I hate about this debate is that people's boundaries and spaces are being invaded. Can I have one fucking space in the world where I don't deal with this bs? And before anyone replies about gay marriage, I have long argued that the government should have gotten out of marriage and used civil unions instead. Same with the gay wedding cake thing, find another business that will give you that service.
Homosexuals get some much shit. Part of me wants segregation from heterosexuals. I see nothing wrong with segregation.
Well said. I saw someone on Reddit the other day arguing with a man who said something like "I'm a man and don't care much for fashion and designer names." He never said that other men can't like fashion-- just expressing his opinion. Someone jumped down his throat saying "some men like fashion" then drilling him with questions like "how is fashion not a man thing when designers make clothes for men?" "why would you assume men innately dislike fashion?" "But what does your gender have to do with disliking fashion?" This person implied that there are no generalized preferences or behaviors of men and women which is ridiculous. Sure there are outliers but this person pretended to be oblivious of all generalities.
It was cuckoo. It's like these are pod people are something. As a bi woman, I totally get it. Being in a relationship with a man or a woman is completely different. I hate how these people are trying to erase the observable differences in men and women. We should be celebrating these differences, and playing to our strengths, not denying reality.
The biggest takeaway I got from this was that Sinead is not down with Identity Politics. That she has to devote so much energy and time to hammering this very simple truth home to strangers is a sad indictment of the current state of human communication and thinking in The West.
Outmost Respect & love 💕 for Sinead. Wish her the best🤗
It’s amazing the amount of wisedom that comes from these discussions….it is bring out the differences between the men and women…wonderful biological differences and it really ok…we all just need to respect each other. Trans…detrans…women and men. We all are ourselves. It is ok. Love this interview ….
#PubertyBlockersAreEugenics
I had a quick look at the conversion therapy consultation and got the impression it was only for therapists and lgbt people to fill in. I'll have another look at it.
Just identify as a therapist or an alphabet person.
I appreciate the discussion about "normality" and the "ideal" as related to sexuality/reproduction, and the (virtual) acknowledgment that on Evolution or on Creation (as the logicians speak), there is a functional reason sex exists at all.
(I don't so much appreciate referring to the latter possibility as the "religious" perspective though. You can pretend you've observed amphibians evolving into reptiles, or dinos into birds, or whatever, but of course you haven't, so it too is a faith-based belief system (religion). Your high priests might call themselves scientific, but in case you haven't figured it out yet, they haven't observed any such things either ; )
And I think the bulk of the difficulties in dealing with these "identity" based issues, arise when the pleasure/attraction realm, is treated as a ration basis for approaching something that is clearly based in the reproductive reality of sex realm. There are no males "transitioning" into females, or vice versa, so the terms "trans-woman", and "trans-man" are fundamentally irrational, as presently used in "polite" company. Might as well call a short person who wears pumps "trans-tall", or the person who uses tanning lotion "trans-racial". Once that pleasure/attraction-based lingo was accepted, things like the 'P' being added to the alphabet soup of "gender identities" became effectively inevitable, as well as the virtual takeover of women's sports by men presenting themselves as if women. And of course the related quasi authoritarian assaults on free speech in the name of inclusivity/diversity, as well as the normalization of treating children as if magically capable of rightly understanding the ramifications of "transitioning".
In short, I think we've allowed a Pandoras box of "Cluster B" personality disorder delights to be opened, and suspect by Cluster B types, for Cluster B types (with one of the goals being the non-disorder reclassification of Cluster B types. (Diversity is our strength after all ; )
Evolution is observable within a lifetime, though.
@@clairehann2681 - Sure, the kind that involves selection from among the "coding" that is present in living things. That is observable (in a lose way of speaking), but the kind that involves a given creature line "evolving" into a radically different sort of creature line, that is not possible to observe, but merely to imagine.
Yayyy for Yr Awesome Deck of cards Sinead! All I inherited from my Nan (Born 1923) was her old Steel Lighter!😆🥰
Benjamin: I don't like when people call me "Ben" unless they know me.
Also Ben: It's so weird that women complain when I'm overly familiar with them.
Correction: It’s so weird when third party women complain when I’m familiar with other women who I am more familiar with than they are.
@@BenjaminABoyce Not what you said.
That’s what I was commenting on
Talking is the only way to get through this.
She looks so good
Love her ❤ she is such a powerful speaker
Would like to help set up that group to support detrasitioners
👍 for Sinead
Sinead, You ARE a smart person!
Benjamin, I appreciate what you are trying to say about feminists who are strident about language, etc., bu “Daddy issues”?? Really? That’s a low blow and in my mind it both trivializes and demeans women. How do you see it?
If an ideology blames everything on patriarchy, it might exhibit daddy issue type behaviors
It may help you to realize that the "daddies" create the "daddy issues".
Pronouns aren't respectful. Pronouns are shortcuts. Gender specific pronouns are exclusively third-person. If somebody demands I use their pronouns, I simply don't talk about them when they aren't there. If I had to talk about them when they weren't there, I would generally use their name because I'm probably talk to some kind of official. (like a cop or a superintendent. This is hypothetical. I've never actually been in this situation.)
I've often said this. 3rd person pronouns are rude when the person being referred to is present, so in theory it should be impossible to misgender someone in front of them. (Not that I'm saying it would be okay when they aren't present.)
@@sonyaross946 "That's ____'s coffee. She's over there, would you pass it to her?"
"Could you go sit over there with that lad and work with him as a group?"
It happens sometimes, and I wouldn't consider either of those uses as rude(?) Infrequent, but not as rare as some people argue. (The hypothetical subject is within earshot in both scenarios.)
@@RaefonB Yeah you're right, these 'earshot' situations are common. I was being a bit theoretical. I don't experience 3rd person pronouns as rude once the name has been used first, but I have been in situations where I've been referred to as 'she' straight off and found it jarring (cisgender woman, no gender element to that reaction). I feel there may be some differences among the English speaking nations with regard to norms around this.
@@sonyaross946 Ah, I get what you mean! Like when I used to work in retail, if a customer had a complaint and we had to get the manager over, I'd be very careful to say 'this lady' (or 'this gentleman'), i.e. not just 'this woman' or 'she/her'. It would have felt rude. I'm UK-based, if that's useful at all.
@@RaefonB Yep I'm in the UK too and that's exactly what I mean. 'This lady' is fine but of course gendered in itself and potentially problematic as a result. I've had 'she' used to refer to me in situations like this by American English speakers and it really felt...different.
This is a very interesting conversation, very insightful. However, I still think that the word retard still holds more weight than people think. Not to censor of course, but my younger brother is disabled and has just been found to have an incredibly rare genetic disorder. It is unfortunately a word that is still used in a very derogatory way towards those with disabilities and disabled people, rather than those who are just stupid. They do understand exactly what it means and unfortunately my brother and people who he has been friends with have been attacked with this word in public. It can obviously really hurt them and thus it extremely disappointing when that still isn't realised in the name of free speech.
Do you think that if that word were never used again, bullies would stop bullying disabled people?
@@ainnochaim9450 thats obviously not the point either of us are making. Read again
Please can we try to avoid using that word..my BFF’s daughter has Down Syndrome and it is not appreciated. Thank you.
@@potterlookalikeables I wasn't making a point. I was asking a question.
@@lisabeeke7162 What if I do not appreciate being asked to censor my speech? Who gets what they appreciate?
Big fan nice to meet Sinade
I find Sinead eminently intelligent, dignified, and compassionate, but one thing I flat-out disagree with is that having a mother and father should be/is the "ideal," or that this idea is "common sense." Men and women are both capable of being TERRIBLE parents, and even today most men do not consider childcare to be equally their job compared to the mothers of their children. Therefore, a same-sex couple is more likely to split the childcare and household duties in an equitable way. Of course, a sterotypical man and woman can be ideal parents, but this is equally true for same-sex couples or single parents with their cohort (because it always takes a village). I hope Sinead can consider this stance, though I doubt she has the time or desire to be perusing the comments.
I would love to have a conversation with her, about this and much more!
C.UN.T needs to become a term of endearment in the US 😂❤
Pedophilia is often confused with underage sex. Sex with minors under the age of legal consent is NOT the same as sex with pre-pubescent children. Media reports confuse this.?
Love Sinead. Looking amazing.
I know the account Benjamin’s talking about! 🤣
Rogan mentions that girl, her account blows up, & suddenly she’s seeing dollar signs, IMO. I think she even has LOTT merch… not a good reason to poke fun at kids (like there’s any good reason to do that).
Idk how old she is, I’d bet it’s not much older than those early 20-somethings she’s poking fun of.
The exchange about the R word in the beginning shows how ableism is still acceptable in circles where sexism and racism are not. I assure you, no one with an intellectual disability supports the use of the R word, nor does anyone appreciate being the butt of a joke that denigrates them. I have a physical disability, not an intellectual one, but I know the history of the word is rooted in eugenics and prejudice. I encourage you to look up the etylomogical history (see also "idiot," "cripple," "dumb").
Ben, you usually come off as nothing but compassionate and unbiased, but your comment about "retarded people" not understanding jokes at their expense was rather shocking in just how unempathetic it was. I hope you will read this comment t and reconsider your stance on this particular ableist slur.
This was a (nother) wonderful interview with Sinead and I have a lot of respect for you both, so I hope this comment translates as well-intentioned advice/opinion and not as patronizing didacticism.
Thank you for everything you do to spread awareness and truth.
It's very unfortunate but it seems that the inevitable consequence of using preferred pronouns is males in women's prisons/sports/trauma groups/shortlists etc
Sinead is just wonderful
During the 50s and 60s the big advocacy group for the mentally disabled was the American Association for Retarded Children. My family was active in it for years. But the term disabled is really more accurate because that's exactly what many are - something is broken in the neurological system. Retard as a slur? Don't see that as one of the super-uglies. But slurs are getting rare. Think of how many ethnic/racial slurs existed around 1965 for black people, Italians, Jews, Hispanics and Asians (add in Irish and Poles too.)
Why are GC women considered to always be feminists?
Some would not call themselves that. There sure is a lot of natural overlap though.
@M I'm not a feminist, yet whenever GC women are mentioned, it's using the term " feminists"
Its sad to me that detrans groups are set private I WOULD SO SUPPORT THEM 🙏💕 so much pain that could use all of us called to help the healing
Therapy to the best we know it, is sadly not very successful. In my clinical experience, self reports on whether MAP urges/inclinations are or are not acted on are unreliable.
It sounds like he is using the same methodology that Darryl Davis uses. I imagine it has got to be difficult and frustrating to use, but it can produce some amazing results
Another reason why gender identity is different from sexual orientation: Gay people don't desist from homosexuality but trans kids do desist from trans identities during puberty
She’s great! 👍
So much love for you both. Ya bunch of c
Sinead/Benjamin, I have been permanently suspended from Twitter. No notice of the purportedly offensive tweet, so can’t prepare a defense. I put that in my appeal. No response.
How can I follow you, Sinead, and the invaluable work you do? Are you using a different social media platform, and if so, which one?
So women who don't agree with you have 'daddy issues'? Sounds like you have mommy issues. If you people want cohesion, maybe you should stick to the truth and stop calling men women.
Its a shame that a detransitioner is having to tell therapists how to do their job properly.
Benjamin’s comment on women/feminists having daddy issues and being angry women 🥴
10:00 so basically "trans rights (are actually anti-human) rights?
I wish I could have seen that video that you took down because I liked that person but if they didn't want it up then it's good that you took it down they have their original one so I can look at that one if I want to see them if I knew it was going to go away I would have watched it more
If I would have known they were politically aligned sort of similar to me I would have hang out with them a lot more but who knew
Thanks,
I'm having trouble finding the consultation, has anyone else located the page? Found govt. info about the proposal to ban conversion therapy, but can't see option to respond, so am assuming I'm in the wrong bit.
In America, it's called "regulation"...
Racing's fun but expensive.
Don't get mad when homosexuals call you people breeders. You have no idea what an individuals 'parenting style' is like because of their sex. You're the reason why people 'transition'.
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2:03 What was that tweet?
C U Next Tuesday is not acceptable in polite society ....but why would a word referring to women's genitals be a slur? I know a lot of pricks myself...
Daddy issues weird? Lets hope all daddies are nice eh?
so many ads Boycie , will you be buying a yacht
I've only had two or three pop up throughout the whole interview.
There should only be a few, spaced out and skippable. You can always reload the page or watch me on Odysee.com/benjaminaboyce and support me though other means.
There's no infighting in the GC movement.
Personally, I have been paying youtube $10/mo for years now, I don't even know how long. It was actually called 'youtube red' when I signed up. Totally worth it, I have never seen an ad since, other than sponsor reads that are actually part of a video.
CZcams red revenue is granted regardless of content being labeled not safe for advertisers.
I love listening to you for discourse Ben but hearing the conversation about saying retarded just absolutely broke my heart.
My son who has special needs DOES UNDERSTAND that and it DOES hurt him and his family. Disgusting.
As an autistic person who was bullied and called retarded as a child, I can say that the most important thing is the intent. Euphemisms often become insults, which leads to new euphemisms. This is known as the euphemism cycle/treadmill. It didn't take long for "special" to become an insult itself (see: Special Ed from Crank Yankers.) The problem is that our system promotes competition over cooperation and individual productivity over compassion--which breeds the desire to weed out perceived inefficiencies and denigrate those seen as a burden.
That word is NOT a term of endearment in Scotland.