Baeclast #76 Preach's Take on Path of Exile
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Huge shoutout to Preach for coming on to discuss his experiences playing PoE completely blind. If you've never heard of Preach before than you're in for a treat with this episode. Mike's been one of my favourite creators for years now and working with him has been an aspiration since day 1.
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#PoE #Preach #Baeclast - Hry
I hope you ballers enjoyed this episode as much as I did! EDIT Sorry about the 360p its something weird with CZcams I waited 11 hours, and uploaded the vid multiple times but it just refused to finish HD processing.
Been a fan of you and preach for years, this collab was a godsend, great content!
When/if he stops playing please try and do another interview
This is like the most wholesome thing to come out of the POE community in a while!!! Thanks for getting him on, super insightful stuff and like you said im sure Chris will be very happy to hear some parts
My previous favorite Baeclast was #32 when we first got a long interview with Jonathan. This is now the best episode, and probably something for everyone in there too.
@@Tyrranid that's the plan.
been watching Preach for 10 years, and the POE guys for about 7 years - never thought my two favorite game worlds would meet one day
What a blast listening to Preach share his views and comments about PoE. Every point felt straight and clear, every rant was meaningful and justified. Such a breeze of fresh air in an echo-chambery community we are by nature. It is so difficult to dive into the depths that this game provides, but to see someone do it completely blind and communicating his unaltered first playthrough experience was something so refreshing. Literally every 5 minutes of the podcast i was bringing an image of Chris WIlson smiling uncontrolably behind his laptop screen; it was beautiful.
Nah. I get what you mean but the rants were in no way justified. Preach litearlly doesnt read any of the in game dialogue and then he complains that nothing is explained, i dont get this, this doesnt make sense, blah blah blah blah.
@@flamemano Well, the justification was that the pacing of the dialogue and storytelling through the NPCs was slow and unmotivating, comparing to the fast paced hack-n-slashy gameplay, and thus was skipped and ignored. In justified I don't mean right or absolute, I mean well percepted and explained.
@@stokos123 well that's not exactly what justified means.
Regardless, this game has very rich lore; Him asking for ggg to dial some of that back just because he cant be fucked is about as stupid as everything else he said.
Another thing is that is also not correct factually. Sure there was some information in the dialogue he was skipping, but a lot of things he didn't know just because he is being kind of a derp.
For example, he's a berzerker. If he took even half a second to READ what the things on his class tree does he would know exactly what rage does; He didn't , so he doesn't. He ignored the pop up on the beach and as a result had no idea what support gems were for a while. ITs just pure fucking stupidity.
Don't even get me started on all of the nonsense about MORE INFORMATION, only to complain about too much information not even like 5 minutes later>
This is literally the exact same kind of nonsense nugi was talking about on the chris wilson baeclast that that lead to chris giving (in my opinion) the most iconic and telling line of that whole interview and this drama as a whole.
"so if we drop something, you're upset that we dropped something; but if we drop nothing, you're upset that we dropped nothing"
@@flamemano I believe the literal meaning of justification is to give grounds for, to explain why; something doesn't have to be objective to be justified, especially when that is a subjective opinion. I'm just saying I really enjoyed his views through a prism of a veteran gamer that gets how things should feel and can express his opinions well with words.
You almost seem like "trying" to be mad with another player's playthrough, just because he didn't align with what you "feel" like the intuitive way of his experience should be. I'm sure that if you open your scope of criticism a little you will see that this is a subjective thing to comment on. Take it for what it is. You seem really passionate about it, but come across as biased, with all love and respect :)
@@stokos123 Well you're literally wrong because justify means to show or prove to be right or reasonable ; to give a good reason for something. Its not about being objective per se, its about being logical AT LEAST.
That aside, you clearly are unable to read. At no point did i suggest that anything "should be" anything. Not knowing about support gems for like 2 hours because you didn't pay attention to the tutorial is stupid; Not knowing what rage does because you cant be bothered to read your class is also stupid. To do these things and then cite a lack of information as your excuse is monumentally stupid. To THEN turn around 5 minutes later and say that there is too much information is just like......the pinnacle of irrationality. This has nothing to do with anyone's opinion; He ignored information that was literally in front of his face.
Not a single thing he said in like the first hour in terms of information was even the slightest bit cohesive or logical; Thus not justified
Man, Preach on baeclast is like a dream come true. Must be great for you too, being a long time supporter!
Glad to see him on here. His experience and decision to go in blind was extremely interesting to see and especially valuable in seeing how an experienced but new player might approach the game without researching anything
This was easily the best PoE podcast to date. Getting an outside perspective from a very experienced, professional gamer was such a breath of fresh air. I hope Chris watches this.
i feel like preach basically has very similar views as chris anyway, so i don't see how him watching this would change all that much
I feel like Chris will watch this but do exactly the opposite of everything they talked about on this
Only 10 minutes in and I'm really liking preaches perspective as a brand new player.
Same, I hope the GGG devs are taking note of what its really like for a new player :)
im not, becuase he was wrong about almsot everything he said. Ive been watching his playthrough and he has a really REALLY bad habit of not reading. For him to then come on this podcast and rant about how nothing is explained blah blah blah. Its really really stupid.
@@flamemano that's the point he's fairly reflective of an experienced gamer having very common new player experience good and bad. He gives a perspective to a large audience that's similar to an dude who's played games since he was a kid that's getting into arpgs for the first time.
PoE is the biggest arpg in the world by miles im now half way through the episode and his insight being completely segregated from the community is some of the most valuable feedback GGG can get. If there was an easier way to get more unadulterated feedback from players who haven't had their opinion molded by a larger community. This kind of feedback is extremely valuable for any dev that wants to keep improving their new player experience to keep their game growing well into the future. Unbiased feedback in the current community climate is good.
@@loopygordo You seem to have missed the point entirely though. some of his feedback is useful sure, but a large part of it is just him being kind of an idiot. How is ggg going to learn from that exactly?
@@flamemano A lot of things like dont explain everything through text for starters, that would help. Introduce more things step by step and not like it is currently when you hit maps and get introduced to 15 new mechanics (old leagues mostly), reduction of that would help etc.
It feels surreal to witness a collision of two worlds (Preach & PoE) that I have been following since early 2010s
Imagine how I feel getting to actually chat with the guy lol. Never thought it would happen.
Watching a bunch of PoE players struggle not too explain /spoil their game pleases me
It's so unbelievably difficult to not tell someone stuff like that lmao, especially for streamers whose chats ask them these questions day in day out
So true 😂
Please invite him back for all Baeclasts for the immediate future. I'd love to hear his updates from podcast to podcast and what he thinks when he sees his first new patch notes. This is fascinating.
This is so amazing! It feels weird to say but I feel like I learned more about the game in this episode than in all the interviews with Chris. Preach, you have no idea how great the is was for the community, especially given the timing
Also shootout to the main cast for leading the discussion so well!
Preach X Tarke is absolutely my favorite crossover event that I never thought would grace my screen
really hope the core dev team at GGG sit down together and watch it and take notes. there are so many brilliant points made by Preach without knowing all the recent drama anf topics... for example the part about defenses and how the game is fundamentally designed to tank instead of dodge mechanically.
all in all one of the best episodes of baeclast, thanks a lot to all you guys!
One of the best episodes yet.
Preach really seems like the "ideal audience" for this game, getting by with just general game knowledge and the willingness to experiment and learn the mechanics on his own.
It could be super interesting to get Preach and Chris Wilson on a podcast together
Fully agree with thisn
Yup let the boomers have a podcast for PoE but talk about D2 for 80% of the podcast.
@@WasabiCannon I'd be so down for that too tbh
This needs to happen
Yeah no chris is trash and would ignore every point and go like he has the last month...oh well this is not our interest so no it's our way..
Preach is a Legend! His "The Problem in the Mists (of Pandaria)" is one of my favorite videos on youtube.
just discovered preach a few days ago and his higlights like discovering "corruption" and stuff are wholesome, funny and cute at the same time :D
The bit about item weight had me in laughing out loud, Preacher has been around the block and seen it before.
Amazing podcast, it's been so interesting to watch him play and hear his thoughts. This is the content I love. Also, raiz is a gem. I loved his probing questions to see how Preach really feels about some mechanics
Yea. That raze fella is something else for sure
It's so nice for gaming that Preach is no longer covering WoW and is actually looking at other games. I feel that Preach has a Totalbiscuit-ish-feel to him where he can really cover gaming and call things out that are bad in a fair way.
Yeah definitely. I think the only real difference is that TB was also a pretty smart man and brought some interesting perspectives to things that most people missed. Preach isn't nearly as smart but he's got the willingness to just give things a try, and to just keep on going. He's got dedication to the tasks he sets himself.
Would have been nice to have a voice like Preachs, or someone else very new to the game, for the Chris Wilson podcasts. Not that he is like the "casual" player we picture, but a fresh perspective that isn't so hung up on how things used to be.
A nice reminder that this game is still awesome, and has the same magic that hooked me 8 leagues ago.
Man I really hope Preach sticks around. It refreshing as fuck and so enjoyable to watch someone with limited expectations really enjoy themselves in Poe. Reminds me of when I first started playing and reminds me of why I love this game
This is a tremendous podcast, I don't know why I haven't seen it before, now I'm a fan. Preach starting poe is one of the most entertaining things, it reminds me of when I started and everything was simpler. Good job, hope to see more
This is the most interesting podcast I have seen. Preach's perspective is amazing insight.
"Somebody must have done something to the world. Must be that Kitava fellow..." No, Preach... It was you...
Absolutely loved this podcast. Preach brings a lot of great experiences and knowledge into the Path of exile sphere. Excellent questions and humor throughout the show as well, Stellar effort by everyone. I hope to see more from Preach in the future about Path of Exile.
Ok, this was a treat, Just realised I have sat here with a grin on my face for 3 hours and cheeks are hurting. Love to you guys!
This was so great to watch. I started watching this at 3am with the intention to pause it after a few minutes and watch the rest tomorrow. Well it's 6am now.
Watched all the way through. Super interesting hearing Preach's perspective and you guys constantly trying to talk around points to not spoil anything was hilarious :D. Thanks for the content!
Preach: No Spoilers please...
Tarke: *tells Preach the next upcoming charity challenge he's going to be doing*
"The lab was the best experience I've had in the entire thing so far".
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
Lab was fun for many people when it was introduced. And yes I remember crowds whining about traps and how hard it is to get to uber. I enjoyed the lab and I enjoy it even today, but only in small doses :)
@@TheSauronchik I've played PoE since 2012, and the lab has never been fun for me personally, BUT I can understand the appeal for sure. And I love the fact that it's "mini-hardcore" mode (except in the first years I played actual hardcore, so I didn't need that).
I started enjoying it more after the awesome recent improvements, and after they fixed the stupid trials. And of course, the enchantment improvements.
It was one of my favorite aspects as well when starting out. It faded quickly. The atmosphere, music etc.. is still among my favorites in the game.
It would be my favorite too, if I wouldn't have to constantly worry about losing all progress due to some random disconnect. :(
This was the only Baeclast I've gone through entirely os far. Probably because I myself am a WoW veteran and PoE noob, so I could really relate to a lot of what Preach was talking about. Love the content, cheers for sharing!
I really like this podcast for the reason that all the talk about PoE is purely in the design sense. When you talk about specific things, because of keeping it spoiler-free for him, you really cut straight to the reasoning without having to deal with the baggage that the community has placed on that specific thing. This might be my favorite Baeclast yet. Preach's view on things is so valuable.
That was a fantastic podcast. Really very interesting to get the perspective of someone going into PoE blind. Brings me back to when I first played the game way back in the day, but it was a lot different then too.
This has got to be the best Baeclast ever! Tarke, please do more videos like these.
I never played WoW, so I wasn't familiar with Preach until earlier this week. That being said, this was easily one of my favorite episodes ever. He's able to speak on general ideas and ask questions that you guys would never even think to discuss, and then because you guys are trying so hard not to spoil stuff you are taking a different approach in your talking points. Great stuff. Huge Baeclast fan and now a huge Preach fan as well.
"That Kitava Fella"...gotta love Preach! We may have a new Baeclast member to rotate in.
This discussion was fantastic. I literally watched it start to finish with only a tiny break around 2 hours in to get a drink. It was so refreshing. I was legitimately sad when it ended; wtb more preach baeclast.
This was great. I haven't played POE in a while but it was nice getting to hear preach talk about it from a new player perspective.
Great one guys, preach's description of his experience was hilarious and valuable for devs im sure. Funny to hear it all in the context of where were at right now. Ty!
only halfway in but possible one of the best episodes yet. great job guys
I've been subbed to Preach for several years now, and I've been watching bits of his journey, so I knew this would be a good episode, but it was so much better than I anticipated. Great questions and great discussion! I loved hearing Preach's views as a new player to PoE but a veteran to RPGs. Fantastic job by everyone, but I really loved how giddy Raiz was the whole time.
Only 1 hour in, and this is the best baeclast episode ever. Those farm to table fresh hot takes from Preach were just making my face numb with how juicy it was. Those takes we've seen 1 million times, but the organic freshness of it made it all the better. It's also delivered by someone who's very articulate. Damn it's good.
I always like Baeclast, but usually I listen to it while doing something else. This episode, after 10 minutes, I sat glued to the screen and paid attention to every second. This was excellent!
That small bit about armour absolutely killed me. It took me about 2 years to figure out how armour worked. A year and a half to figure out it wasn't what I assumed and another 6 months to actually find an explanation that made sense.
Very cool and insightful episode! The fresh perspective of Preach and the descriptions of his experiences must be worth pure gold for GGG and many, many longtime players, to get some new impulses for themselves.
Amazing how a new player's story puts the whole game into perspective, for me into a perspective how awesome and unique this game is. I'm still a happy PoE player after 8k+ hours. This podcast took any doubts I might have had away.
"Do you feel armor has done a lot for you?"
"Ha! I don't know!"
PoE in a nutshell.
Edit: jokes aside, this is a really refreshing take on everything that has to change in PoE. Yeah it's obtuse and complicated and that's part of the charm but it shouldn't be to the point of being straight up counter-intuitive. Hearing Preach describe how he *thinks* armor works while Raiz has the biggest banana-grin just underlines how bad it is.
This vicarious experience of following along with Preach's first steps into POE is the best content I've seen in ages. It wonderfully articulates POE's intricacy and reminds me of the first few leagues I played. I'm sure his feedback is immensely valuable to devs for marketing to new players. Really hope he sticks with it long enough to face off against the Shaper. I'm sure that might mean a reroll or two though. I feel like a parent watching a baby taking its first steps.
Love this guy. His perspective of being a high level RPG player but not having the bias of being a veteran Exile is so refreshing. Preach should be a Baeclast mainstay
Great episode!
Looking forward for more of that!
Man, this conversation became so interesting when you told Preach about the current state of the community and he started getting really curious about everything. Such a good podcast, even for someone like me who has been away from POE for quite a while.
Great episode, been following preach journey, and it's been a blast.
Welcome to Poe preach :D
Damn , we needed this kind of episode so bad.
fantastic podcast. the guy is pure joy to hear.
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Love Baeclast, Love Preach
I needed this
Thnx Tarke for setting this up, loved it. Mike is brilliant at gaming tbh, its quite impressive in what he is figuring out
One of the best Baeclasts I have seen yet. I didn't know about Preach up until now, but I can tell that he will be an excellent content creator for Path should he choose to stick around. Here's hoping to him making an appearance on Baeclast again!
I really want preach to release a video of things he learns when he finally looks things up just because I think it would be fun and eye opening on things that are overlooked.
Great podcast, Preach was great to listen to! Thanks for the interview boys!
Very cool talk. Good questions. Very fine answers. No spoilers added a little bit of spiciness to it. Good laughs. What a cool guy. Amazing episode.
Great episode kings, so good to get the perspective of a fresh player that isn't looking up every little thing beforehand!
It is so interesting seeing new players experience PoE :)
i love this podcast the best. its a new take from a new player just diving headlong to a game genre he has little experience. i love how the guys are trying real hard not to spoil . this echoes and brings back memories when i first picked up the game.
That was really entertaining. I didn't know who Preach was before this and it was very interesting hearing his perspectives on PoE and the comparisons to WoW (which I haven't played). The part where he couldn't find Ward in the glossary was hilarious.
I just could NOT stop grinning through this entire segment. Preach is showing those who have both been there, are there, and those who have either no idea or have forgotten just how FUN a pure, fresh take on content without a filter is. The grins from me are not smug, they are the joy of someone familiar with the content, and getting to live it again, mistakes, learning and all. Huge cheers!
The most "honest review" of PoE I've ever heard.
I love Preach! I’ve been watching his Drama Time videos for years, haven’t missed one. He’s seriously ones of the funniest dudes on the platform.
I hope he keeps up playing and you can do a follow up on this episode. It really was one of the most entertaining Baeclasts to date.
I just love the fact that lab was his favorite part of the game. All those people b**** and moan about it and this completely new person comes in and loves it
Really awesome to hear Preaches impressions as a player who never played most ARPGs before (Mainly D2) and having a very fresh perspective as a hardcore gamer from another genre.
This is absolutely wonderful. Thanks to you all for your passion in this game. And thanks Preach for giving us a chance. Hope the occasional wangrod doesn't overshadow how he seems to feel about the game. I'd love to have him in our camp for the future of poe but I understand that it may not end up like that
eyyyyyyyyyyyy small crew but a loving baeclast! been taknig my break from the poe addiction finaly to go strong for some fun in the final month after i deal with some irl shit but lets goooooooooooooooooo PREACH! just gives me soooooooo much time to sit back and listen and enjoy this while i do nothing but rest for the day cheers
Awesome interview. Community needs more of this friendly vid. Thanks :)
Man I'm glad to see Preach trying Poe out and managed to be on the show. I've been following him for years. He's a trip. The show made my day. Thanks guys.
This interview is giving me so much joy... i just love preach, so happy he is trying poe. I hope he will stay for a while.
Such a great episode, nice one lads.
2:02:19 preach is very right about this, and this IS a purely QoL change they could and should implement without the game changing - when you (first) buy a currency tab, it should offer to move all your existing currency into it, and have affinity turned on by default. (Same with the other special tabs.)
It was so refreshing to see Preach playing and to be honest, it brought me back into days when I started to play POE and after 1500h ,I tink poe is not perfect but its dem good game if u like this kind of games
Alright guys, this was such an awesome podcast! What a pleasure to hear Preach articulate thoughts on the game from a new-player perspective. Big hats off to you for managing not to spoil anything for him, that had to be so difficult. I want to see next episode, when Preach get to higher tiers of PoE content, how it will feel for him moving forward! In the meantime, I have a new streamer to watch on Twitch/CZcams!
I think this was the coolest Baeclast so far. Episodes with GGG people are great fun to watch, but this one was truly special! Thanks again, what a great 3 hours :)
This is such a great listen!
Preach's comments on being greedy but getting one shot off screen and the whole RaizQT questions are so satisfying.
I am so chuffed that Mike's finally enjoying PoE :D Was waiting for years for this to happen!
I feel like Preach when I play Last Epoch. Got the game a couple days ago and having a blast. After thousands of hours into poe it feels super fresh!
I am soo happy to see preach on baeclast!
Preacher jumping into PoE when the game is the hardest it has ever been, lmao.
Super fun cast. Thanks for everyones time and input.
This was so rejuvenating and incredible. Finally a voice i feel like that is not represented at all or lost amongst the memeing. The fact that he had sad soo many things baeclast hosts tend to say and what Chris thinks should be just gives for some reason so much validity for those. I dont know why. This Preach fella had some serious preach in him. I fking loved this episode. It was so different.
Baeclast 2.0? :O
Damn surprised u guys don't have this show on Spotify. Excellent show as always
Nice work on the podcast- what a blast!
holy moly this was so fun to listen to, ty for inviting him!
I started watching Preach when he started this endeavor. I immediately followed and he's now in rotation with the other PoE streamers that I watch.
Welcome to POE Preach! good to see you join one of my favorite games of all time. I hope you enjoy your adventure here.
This was amazing you need to make preach a regular to have follow up on his progress.
Preach doing a sorta blind playthrough of PoE has given me faith to try and attack the game again
Damn I need more of that. Imma look for a compilation of his highlights or something
Ive seen preach content before and he came to play... one of my favorite episodes ever... would love if you guys did some follow up with him because this is great content that GGG should be watching and taking notes for what a new player experience is like!
Kinda refreshing to hear a new player with no entitlement, who understands that by default he should fail until he invests the proper amount of time to learn and gear up. I think a lot of people get too comfortable with the game and come to resent anything new that challenges them to spend more than a few minutes learning.
People also have to understand that he is a streamer and can spend 10 hours a day playing. And he is also a good gamer from his past in games, and is probably better than 90% of the people who will ever try PoE.
@@Oxmosh This in no way he is new really...he also as you said spends10 sometimes up to 20h on a game...there are a ton who do not.
This is a BIG lesson in perspective. A friend of mine also recently quit WoW and started playin PoE and we agreed for him to also go in blind without my help until he reaches maps and really needs some help on how to progress further. He played a Cyclone Slayer and it took him around 50 hours to reach maps, because he just didnt know you have to hold Cyclone,s o he always tapped it, jumped in and out of packs with leap slam and used Heralds of Purity Minions to help him with tanking and he didnt see anything wrong with that, because THATS how he thought the game is supposed to play early on and the whole speed clearing and stuff comes in the end game. So despite all that he still had a lot of fun and who's to say that his way of playing is wrong if he has fun palying the game?
Raiz and Preach seem like lost brothers, their logic is literally the same and I like it haha!
I'm only a few minutes in but I really want to say how much I appreciate the way Preach is approaching the game. There is so much value in learning something through experimentation and logical deduction - specifically in games which are (hopefully) designed to allow that process to succeed.
In the case of PoE I myself would probably get very frustrated these days. Looking forward to watching the rest of the podcast when I get the time!