Selling You On Shin Megami Tensei IV (W/
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00:00 Intro
00:44 History
4:17 Story & Setting
7:21 Gameplay
11:38 Dad's Opinion
17:59 Macca's Opinion
23:15 Why You Should Play It
23:39 How to Play It
23:54 Outro
#SMTIV #SMT4 #Atlus #ShinMegamiTenseiIV - Hry
On the topic of SMIRK, useless fun fact: If you and your demon are all smirking, you gain a little bit of your HP and SP back. (I accidentally discover this on the Minotaur fight first time.)
i got this during lucifer phase 1. you can raise the odds of getting an all party smirk by using tetrakarn+makarakarn on the same turn if your opponent uses a lot of multi-target attacks
@@gummmie interesting
I've known about this for years and I've never seenvit in action
@@gummmie If you do that Lucifer starts Spamming Almighty so you reallu don't want to do that
Ive only usef it when I used makrakarn and the enemy did maziodyne and we all smirked
Funnily enough the clash in artstyle with the demons is one of the things i love about smt4.
It really sells the idea that they are otherworldly beings
I didn't even noticed this
i love it cuz it gives off the idea that they all come from different religions and cultures
i always find it fascisnating when the "figure head" of a franchise writes too much. i would love to get my hands on Kaneko's "draft" of SMT IV
I remember reading that article on Yamai trying to balance the "bitter" and "sweet" of the older and newer staff. It honestly is baffling to me how the younger staff wanted to change the tone of the games. It might be that they came from playing Persona 4 which was at the height of its popularity at the time SMTIV was being made, but the overall tone of a game is a crucial part to any game's identity, even more so for SMT. If the audience wanted more "sweet" for SMT they'd just be playing Persona again.
I did however really enjoyed SMTIV despite the development troubles it seemed to have. The success was probably due to Yamai's hand in trying to find some middle ground. General consensus for IVA though was great gameplay but a huge miss with the overall tone and characters. I hope this was a wakeup call for the younger developers that not everything has to "go along with the times". A game can evolve without having to throw away its identity, and from what we're seeing with SMTV, I think we're going in the right path.
Yamai basically chose neutral between sweet and bitter lmao
Jokes aside I really like the balance of bitter and sweetness of IV, it doesn't lean to much on one end, it's truly neutral
I mean, I'd be willing to help with Apocalypse...
You have my vote, Furry.
Fun fact if you sub to Macca, you become 90% more likely to be stabbed by Sonic with a Knife. Anyway this video is good, was a nice watch! Good job on this video Macca! It was really nice to hear about the devlopment history of this game and damn... It was a mess but it from the looks of it SMT4 turned out pretty damn well!
I FORGOT TO HIDE HIM IN THE VIDEO AAAAAAAA
@@Macca I KNEW SOMETHING WAS MISSING I KEPT LOOKING FOR HIM
@@Macca WHAT IS THIS AND WHY AM I ONLY LEARNING IT NOW? I'VE WATCHED EVERY SINGLE SELLING YOU ON MULTIPLE TIMES!
Edit: I absolutely didn't realize there was one on each video
I actually love that you can transfer all skills in fusion. its like my demon is unique made by me. I can wait off not fusing to find a particular skill on my previous demon to fuse afterwards.
Simply dad's poin is that, once you find a sort of meta, all your demons will have like 4 sets of skills.
This is why I love demons having unique skills in SMT V though. Great addition.
This video is pretty great! Keep up the good work and I hope you cover Apocalypse in the future!
This was a good ass watch my friend 🔥
I just finished IV for the first time last week! I've been excited to play V but hadn't actually played an SMT game before. I had a blast with it and feel (slightly) more prepared for when V releases!
Check out Strange Journey Redux as well! I am playing it it's pretty fun.
Just when I was in a middle of a smt 4 playthrough,perfect timing
Yea I know right? Same here. I'm even more sold now lol
Same but it’s apocalypse
I haven't touched SMT since I beat Apocalypse two years ago. But watching this video has so made me want to play IV again. But then I remember how #@&$ing long it took to play through that game! I've actually been avoiding JRPG's to help mentally prepare myself for SMT V. I know I'm going to love it, but these games can be downright draining.
Same but with Nocturne xd
Great work, Macca!
SMTIV is one of my favorite games of all time, and what got me properly into SMT. I already kinda knew about the franchise due to Persona, but I wasn't actually able to play any of the Persona games for a while because I didn't have any PlayStation console, so I just watched my brother play Persona 3 FES and Persona 4. All I had was a 3DS, but when I heard about this game I decided to get it on a whim. I did not regret it at all. So much about the game just drew me in: The setting, the characters, the music, the demons-- it was amazing! I ended up getting the Chaos route on my first run, then I did the Law and Neutral routes much later. It's a game I will always hold close to my heart and I hope that this game doesn't just rot on the 3DS forever. I hope it can be ported to PC or on the Switch somehow.
It was great hearing you and SimplyDad's takes on the game. And yeah, while I do love this game a lot, I will agree that the Smirk system was pretty broken in IV. It reminds me of something kinda dumb that happened with my sister. I told her to play SMTIV because it was really good. She played it and eventually got to the boss right before the alignment lock (I won't spoil it too much, but I'm sure some of you will immediately know who I am talking about.) Anyway, she was having trouble with this boss because they had powerful physical skills and she came underprepared. She eventually recruited a Giremekhala in the area and brought him along because at this point she was getting desperate. The battle basically went how she expected to at first, with Flynn and the demons dying quickly, but the only demon left standing was Giremekhala. This boss kept getting their physical attacks reflected back at them and losing all their turns, while Giremekhala kept spamming attacks until it ran out of MP and just started punching the boss. Many, many, MANY minutes of this later and the boss basically reflected itself to death. It was the funniest thing I've ever heard and I wish I could have seen it play out.
Anyway, Great work!
Also, I do really hope you cover SMTIV Apocalypse in a tactful manner. Like yeah, I know it definitely isn't the best game and it's pretty divisive in the fandom, but there were still many good things about the game itself that I think can be discussed. I am also sure you can find someone to talk to about that game who can give it some praise and meaningful criticisms as well.
I could say my own words about what I feel about SMTIVA, but I'd rather wait for you guys to do a video first I think. I can only summarize my feelings for now as: I really enjoyed the gameplay, improvements, and lore building , but I wish characters and plot points were handled better.
Yay, another one of the Selling You On Megami Tensei videos!
Ah, trully one of the most beautifull experiences as a game. Thank you for this video, I waited patiently for it
Always exciting to see a new Macca video!!
Yeah!
Macca video!
Looking forward to it.
This game Taught me patience, showed me how to properly take advantage of a bosses weaknesses, and did all of that with some of the best music I’ve ever heard on the 3DS. If you even have a passing interest in Shin Megami Tensei pick up any of the games and just play. These are the games that need to be played to be properly experienced because they are some of the most unique video games I have ever played.
I have waited for so long!
This video will have the same amount of replay value as the game in question itself, I know that for a fact lol. I love these series, truly. The jokes and opinion each guest youtuber bring are priceless, especially since each one has been picked because they hold great knowledge about the game or understand it very well. I hope we can see more of 'em even if it is spin offs or a completely new series after we are done with mainline SMT.
Still my favorite game in life. I mean, I love all the main SMT games and most of the subseries games. But IV is like the pinacle
I've seen Macca stream SMT 4. Looks pretty fun!
Smt iv is my favorite game in all of megatin can't wait for smt v
Damn! Macca got this out fast...
ah man, simplydad. can't wait to watch him fail the "go 7 seconds without shit talking smt fans/most of smt overall" challenge.
MEGATEN fans are mostly unfunny and annoying whether you like it or not , if you are a megaten fan that isn't like this ( like the silent majority ) then you have no reason to get offended at his comments on the fandom , criticising or calling out a fan base isn't bad , if you want to pretend every thing and everyone is perfect and doesn't deserve criticism just close your eyes , cover your ears and run of to an echochamber
@@ariaaster4122 I mean, i dont think people pretend that megaten community is perfect. But Simple dad constant bashing becomes a bit boring.
@@ariaaster4122 damn that sure is a presumptuous response to a light ribbing. just because i have no reason to be offended doesn't mean I can't joke about how outward his distaste is in literally all of the content he is involved in.
maybe chill out a little bit and realize not everything someone says is an ideological war. it really ain't that deep.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's not a fan. He just sounds like a teenager who's pissed off.
@@alsaiduq4363 I don't think it becomes boring at all , all the time I see the failing of this fan base and it's good that at least somebody calls it out instead of acting overly , fake positive all the time
Smt 4 apocalypse is actually my favorite entry in the mainline series
Simply Dad hates Apocalypse so much he won't even stay to talk smack about it
Oh snap this is gonna be good 👀
Let's goo rikku!!
@@rj60000 ayyy what’s up 💪🏽
If I had a channel and set up I would have loved to gush about this game with ya lol but seriously this is one of my favorite games of all time
I love this
Would be cool a digital and physical release of SMT 4 games bundle for Switch, with Strange Journey Redux, SMT4 and SMT4 Apocalipse ports, and not forgetting Europe. 😒
Truly the Best smt Game, i still need to play V to see if it is better
This game was a great challenge. You can get absolutely crushed by low level enemies if you aren't careful. This makes grinding a bit annoying but it makes for some the most challenging and addictive gameplay I've ever experienced. The story and design elements are also great. I went straight for another playthrough after I finished. Why not when there are tons of demons to collect and fuse and, multiple endings.
I don't think one even needs to be sold on SMT IV, its that great
the premise of this game was soooo good. i dont think it'll be topped anytime soon even by V
LETS GOOOOOO
good video dude
Is there some sort of problem with SMT IV: Apocalypse because I feel like I am missing something? It's actually one of my favorite in the series! 🤗
The combat is great. The story is 🤢
A lot of people seem to not like the more upbeat tone and the fact you have friends at all. I can understand it but I had no real issue with it personally since most SMT spinoffs are pretty similar. Some really messed up stuff does happen in it and the further you get the more bonkers everything gets, in a good way imo.
The only part of the story I don't like is that really uh, off putting stuff with Toki's crush on Nanashi.
A lot of people are very critical or outright hate the story and characters. While I really did like IVA's story and characters, I definitely have some strong criticisms on them. Some plot stuff could've have been done better or could've have been approached differently, and there were several characterizations choices that I wish weren't done because they weren't really that entertaining to me.
However, Apocalypse did fix a lot of the gameplay issues from IV and it made playing very fun.
I still hope Macca does cover Apocalypse because i feel it also deserves some love. Plus I am sure Macca can find some fans of the game who are willing to talk about its notable ups and very notable downs in a meaningful way.
@@yoso378 it is true that the story may have problems, but I like its more optimistic take in the game. There are indeed flaws, but it's been a while since I played to remember them correctly.
@@KyngD469 can you Elaborate on what is wrong with the story with more details?
Bruh I just finished getting the fiends and hot damn there's still more voice dialog in the mother harlots mission I was amazed
Walter casting agi on the minotaur, well he did say "i'll end it thus"
Atlus should publish that full story as a novel or Manga series. If possible I'd read it.
I agree. I also KNOW it wouldn't get an English release lol
I am excited for SMT4A it's my fav game in the series. The characters can be weird or uncomfortable at times but outside of that it's such a good game
Out of all the people you could have invited, why creep dad?
creep dad?😂
You're welcome for the second stick recommendation
Uhk, Isabeau... Why you gotta do my feels like that? I didn't want that.
To be fair SMT: IV is my favorite. I love the whole series so much. But IV just rubs me so right. It's hard to explain. I also think the Law and Chaos alignments are at their best here too.
Anyways, here's hoping to the Switch SMT!
I just hope smt V has endings that make you question which one you prefer without every single one of them making you feel like shit because you fucked up the world.
The devil survivor games are my favorites in terms of how endings work. In the extended cuts at least. They don't all lead to human extinction within a generation.
Oh god I miss Burroughs, just for the reminder
Thanks for this video! Just got IV on the 3DS sale and V on Christmas and I don't know which one to get into first! Either one will be my first SMT game. If you see this or if anyone in the comments has an opinion let me know!
If only there was a sequel that fixed the smirk mechanic. If only.
Surprised you didnt mentiom nitpicks like the world map and Neutral Route being too hard to get without a guide or sheer luck
Still, I loved the video great stuff
My favorite Megaten and one of the best jrpgs I have ever played .
1:38 now we know who made apocalypse...
I was thinking the same. And how SMTV seems a blend of Nocturne and SMT4.
Sorry for being stupid, but how does Strange Journey SMT links with SMT IV?
David Lynch as Jonathan has no right being as perfect as it is.
Wait for Apocalypse's many little annoying things... sometimes grouped together, other times a skirmish of 6 just because frick you.
Also an App in there helps demons autoexploit weaknesses when in Auto Mode, to speed things up.
22:37 "I also want to mention a really cool day one bundle"
Yeah... unless you live in the PAL regions 😒
Not seen often, but Walter will only cast Agi once in the Minotaur fight, if it lands. For the rest of the fight, he'll only use Physical skills.
i love smt4, lets just not speak of anime I MEAN apocalypse
fun fact: Flynn is the Best Boi
Smt iv is one of my favorite games of all time! Definitely recommend 👌
Macca 😯
Well man i wanna play but bueno pues soy de un infierno de economía llamado Argentina y el eshop se cayo so ¿how do i play it?
11:05 I think you meant demon sources from Strange Journey.
I hope they bring this and 4A to Switch soon
Welp, if you need help with the smt 4 final video 👀
1:38 Basically the staff that thinks like the SMTV IGN reviewer. 😅
Dad knew DEX all along
Finally, a good Game
If you need someone for Apocalypse to jump on let me know. Or if you ever venture your way into Majin Tensei I or II I can help you with those as well or Kyuuyaku megami Tensei Part II couldn't get through part 1 but the Homie Marsh seems to have dismantled that already LOL
Um I'd like to mention smt 4 has auto attack on the shoulder ds buttons for speeding up the combat just thought I'd mention this for ya =)
Ayy tokusatsu influence in smt I can dig it.
I wouldn't mind a switch port
Also last note I found a loose physical copy but they wanted 75 bucks..
Ah yes David Lynch, my favorite smt character
I love your content and would love to fully watch this video but I simply can’t stomach anything that involves SimplyDad after what happened to me on a personally
19:56 how do you figure? You can see Walter's development very clearly. He begins to waver when Lilith speaks of a world where anyone can shape it as they see fit. The whole game up to that point is telling you Walter's opinions. You have to pay attention for it though. Jonathan's development is there, but not as much as Walter's. Jonathan gets a little bit more zealot in his ways, considering he was very softspoken and reserved at the start of the game. I will agree on Isabeau though, but not the other samurai, including Navarre.
I vote Majin Tensei 1&2 as future videos ? 😬
I honestly think Naraku itself is way harder than Minotaur lol. So many floors and next to no shortcuts. Poisonous floors. And it's the first dungeon. Atlus, what were you smoking?
I just hate how the alignment balance is sooo small to get neutral ending
It was easy to me to get it... But maybe it makes sense to be that way, it's just the midway after all
Tbh I do like how Apocalypse handled it, even if wasn't really necessary since there were only 2 "alignments". You can pick your alignment but if it was seriously going against how you were acting up until that point you get penalized for it.
Just give a decent enough wiggle room, someone perfectly neutral should be able to pick any, sometime not terribly deep into lawful should be able to pick neutral or law, and vice versa for chaos.
How close to 0 do you gotta be?
@@spudsbuchlaw the best middle ground you can get is being 1+ or 1- ironically enough if you have 0 points in the alignment lock you can't get neutral since the choices that the game shows you at the end will give you 10+/- which locks you on the law/chaos route depending of your answer
@@windbound9791 so if you're at, say +1, and you get -10, resulting in -9 that's neutral? So is it just "between 9 and -9"?
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*SimplyChad*
I literally cannot find this game anywhere here in the UK. 😫 Fortunately, I do have apocalypse. These games seems to be rare nowadays.
There isn't a physical release for smt iv in the UK, it's digital only
who jonath again?
Awesome game. Sadly I had to wait for over a year to play it. Region lock on a handheld sucks.
U don't have to sell me SMT IV, I bought Twice and Apocalypse...but Apo is kinda......bad, as in the characters are Persona characters.
Sorry Macca but to me the best game on the 3ds is and will always be Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate.
Played both but still prefer IV as the best 3DS games. Both are too different types of rpgs anyway. MH4U is still a gem.
Based and hunter pilled
I randomly stopped playing this game at some point, and idk why. It certainly wasn't cause of the game, I love what I've played up to the point I stopped. :P
I gotta go back to it at some point (Preferably after looking at a recap or something. Lol).
do soul hackers, too, even if it is not mainline.
Shit, I'd help with Apocalypse if I could
based
Based on what
Genial
I have managed to die trying to recruit in the first hours of the game. No fucking joke. I don't know if my game RNG just hated me that day or I was just THAT fucked trying to get them. But it took me like a dozen tries just to get my first demon. But yes, SMT4 good.
wait wait wait
So your telling me if I were to constantly get the same demon over and over again I would just constantly get better skills for my personal character?
Is there even a cap for that
Okay seriously I don't understand
I haven't played it yet and I haven't watched a let's play because I want to experience it for myself but why do people hate apocalypse so much
Apocalypse is very different and strange game in terms of tone.
Instead of the usual dark, bleak and almost opressive tone one of all other SMT games, you have this more friendly tone, you always have at least 2 other characters with you that joke around alot, even more than regular 4.
Feels more like normal JRPG than any other SMT game. Hell you even have a super strange romance triangle with two girls, one of them being yout childhood friend.
@@alsaiduq4363 I mean I geuss I see how that could be less than ideal but I still don't see why some people hate it so much
@@akirathewildcard9625it is mostly because the writing of the game and the how it had a lighter tone
Tho pretty much everyone agree that it had a great gameplay
@@akirathewildcard9625 You're right. There's no reason to hate it. I mean, it lacks in tone but it's still a pretty solid SMT game. The best in the series in terms of gameplay to date. And the story is not bad at all. The enemies, the themes that touches, the new perspective for neutral route. The plot is like a typical nekketsu (adventure and fighting shonen manga/anime) but a really good nekketsu. I don't hate it. It's not my favorite, I still prefer IV, and III Nocturne, and Strange Journey, and I, etc.. But IV Apocalypse is a fresh experience. Issue would be if all SMT start to be that way because of it. But as a standalone experience is nice.
The story isn't even as bad as portrayed. Its like people forget there is more than one way to cope with the crap going on around you.
It annoys me how many people are out there that don’t understand the journey they could go on by playing SMT4 and 4A
Fuck 4A respectfully.
@@yeoungduck8782 why :(
My 3ds doesn't have room to download the game...
@@Fermin-hw5pd buy a Sd card they’re cheap
@@RandomParkShots I know, I bought one for the Switch, but I have been using the 3ds one for years, won't I lose the content of the games if I change it?
Damn you couldve made me Jonathan.
I don't think Apocalypse was that bad. At least it ended Jonthan and Walter's story nicely in the end. While also giving Navarre and Flynn some actual character. But God damn leave the characters to Persona, SMT has no real business trying that.
It's strange, I've seen other videos about these games where the people in the comments most said they liked Apocalypse more than the original. But here it's very much the other way. I honestly didn't care for the teenage characters in Apocalypse but I still thought it was nearly on par with IV.
10:48 you dying there is actually not Walter's fault. If you notice, he crit your character unsmirked. Thererfore, you would have died that turn regardless if Walter used Agi or not lol. Not to mention your Centaur was smirking the whole time, so it made little difference lol.
smt 4 best game lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simply dad rules
Macca, I don't think you need to do these videos with someone else. Your style is very likable. Simply dad is a bit crass and sounds like he just smoked a blunt. I was excited to see an smt four video that wasn't his. Oh well, I still love your work.
I was drunk as hell when I recorded my lines yeah good catch
@@SimplyDad king
Sooo..... Basically a lot of stupid shit happened with the european version....
Including a case of Atlus feeling Europeans do not like rpgs.....
..........Yeah fun times...They where not intending to release it here at all originally......
They are kinda pulling the same shit with SMT5, oh we are getting the physical, but getting the collectors edition was miserable, Atlus gave the sale rights for it in europe to nintendo, who basically did fuck all meaning we kinda got screwed........
Yay......
I snagged one on import...... Nintendo and Atlus when it comes to Europe though......... Yay....
In my opinion, the music of SMT just Doo doos all over Persona.
i want Selling me apocalypse