No matter what anyone thinks these kids are creating memories that will stay with them forever ! As a vet from the 80’s and 90’s, Scott Stewart taught us to never worry about the numbers, be in the moment and BYBO! May You NEVER Walk Alone
Im now one of those drum corps oldtimers and while i think the direction of the activity artistically is majority positive, it is nice to see a show where the field isnt cluttered up with props
As a real old timer, I see trombones, silly drag flag performers, and the huge amount of additional on-side instrumentation as a distraction of the primary purpose of a B&D corp. You might as well add elephants and clown cars. But don't expect real oldtimers to take this BS seriously.
I am encouraged by this. Madison is much better than previous years. I am from the older generation who spend when we go to shows...the last one me and my wife attended, we spent $2300 in the city the show was in. If the younger generation works on getting their compatriots to enjoy the electronics and the massive amount of equipment they haul onto the field, the activity will happily survive. Keep it up!
Some of these comments are so petty holy cow. Keep doing your thing Madison, don’t let any naysayers get in your way because this is not about them! MYNWA ⚜️
I personally thought this was awesome!!! Im an oldie. Crown 01-02 Crossmen 03, and I have to say its nice to see a corps actually MARCHING and using effective drill! The body movements werent over the top, and the Black Hole Sun exerpt had me goin yeaaaaahhhhhh!!!! 💪😎 Get it Madison. At least youre staying true to your guns. Haters gonna hate. Great job!!!!!
Rusty Cage was supposed to be the opener right? I love that song, but I don't hear it at all. They wouldve blown everyone's minds if they did the breakdown... or any of it
I know that these kids and the staff are all working really REALLY hard, but I cannot watch this and not miss the Madison Scouts of the mid-90s that I grew up with.
Everyone does, but that’s how it goes. Everything can’t be great forever. and for the Madison scouts they moved past their prime since the 90s. From a audience standpoint you can say that the Madison scouts have lost in touch with what they were known for. But an important fact is the top corps today had to change visuals and music to be more competitive. No matter what these people on the field are the godam Madison scouts. MYNWA
Am I missing something? People are saying this show doesn’t have drill, too much body work/flutter… I agree that trend is terrible and dislike it, but this show has way more drill than most other shows this year. I liked the music? I generally agree with the things people are complaining about, but this is the wrong show to point to. And they have hats, and no mid show uniform change. What am I missing?
Try fundamental B&D philosophy rather than a circus act. Try M&M rather than drag queen flag dancing and trombones, and a side line orchestra. Get back to basics... and the music selection is another matter.
I remember when DCI was primarily a marching activity. Now it's "body work" (whatever that means), free-form prancing to a new spot, and a bit of marching mixed in. At least they're wearing hats.
Absolutely agree. They should just start doing these contest indoors as stand stills. This rifle line didn't move for the first 2 minutes. I always would sit high in the stands just to see some awesome drills but now what's the use
@@imhappy5266 Did they though? I don’t feel like there that many people who think 70s-80s DCI was a better generation than 90s-00s. I’ll admit there is likely recency bias, but were people actually claiming then that DCI was fundamentally altered for the worse? Because that’s a legit argument nowadays.
at least they are wearing something that resembles a uniform rather than some gym shorts and a tshirt (cadets). i know inflation is a thing but my god cant you re use formal uniforms rather than having a new uniform each year with the expense of quality? if you are really sturggling (even scv stopped this year because of money issues) then by all means just use the original corps uniform! if you risk "general effect" then that is a risk worth taking.
i'll agree with you about the cadets look....i'm not really digging it. but i will say i'm not opposed to the switch to less traditional uniforms in particular if it's lighter garments for the performers to be in while touring in the hottest months of the year.
The battery stayed in the back field almost the entire show, the guard needs to be much cleaner to make finals this year, the same goes for the brass, lots of tuning, timing, and intonation issues, especially in the trumpet and trombone solos. I can’t tell the marching style anymore, I don’t see championship level marching yet, finals are coming soon. The “new” Madison Scouts have to make their own “mojo”, they can no longer live off the reputation of the past, that was a different corps, different vibe, different “ mojo” as I like to call it. The famous Madison Scouts “blast the mustard off your hot dog in the nose bleed seats” sound and volume (see 1988 finals), is just not there yet. I’m looking forward to seeing Madison find it’s footing again and rise back to prominence with a new vibe and their own style, and of course their own “Mojo”.
This ahow is just ok, nothing special or has anything that stands out, it's just another average corp show, as of 07/23 they rank 17th in World Class, with a score of 77.175. They haven't had a great show since 2017's Last Man Standing which was the last year they placed in the top 12. Nothing against the corp itself but if we're going to be honest either going co-ed was a wrong move or the leadership i.e. musical director / show designer etc etc needs to be changed from top to bottom. With 3wks left until championship do you see them in the to 12?
Can you give an explanation as to why going coed could possibly be the reason for the past few year's placements? I want to see if you can give an answer than actually makes sense. (Not possible)
@@sethsimerly4392 What makes sense is the fact that ever since they’ve gone coed they haven’t they placed above 15th because their last few shows have been as exciting as watching paint dry. They’ve become just another coed corp with no personality, nothing that makes them stand out. Blue Coats, Mandarins and the Troopers have personality and that something about them that makes them stand out. The Cavaliers are the last remaining all male corp, but outside of being the last remaining all male corp they have shows with elements that make them stand out. Give one example of something that makes them standout since going coed.
@@sethsimerly4392 Give me an example of why going coed makes them a better corp let's see if you can give me one (NOT POSSIBLE) Go back and read my comment and tell me where I said anything about going coed making no sense or it being the reason why they haven't placed in the top 12, since 2017 oh you can't because I NEVER SAID THAT!!!! What I said was " Nothing against the corp itself but if we're going to be honest EITHER going co-ed was a wrong move or the leadership i.e. musical director / show designer etc etc needs to be changed from top to bottom." Madison Scouts were in need of a chage since 2018, I don't know why or even care about them going coed, in my opinion it came off as a gimmic. Whatever the reason they come off as your average corp with lack luster shows.
Does nothing for me. It's the equivalent of going into a Modern Art museum and going "WTF is this ??????". A big ball rolling around the field ???? Hello ?!????!?!!?!? And when did DCI outlaw musical form ? A cadence, anyone ??? I'm out. Watching no more. Listening no more. You all pat yourselves on the back and assure each other how "progressive" it is. As far as I'm concerned, it's mush. Killer chops; killer athletic ability; but the whole package leaves me cold. Buh-bye.
Corps have to change with the times. And because of certain judging decisions show designers have changed the way they make shows today since the 90s. Just because you are upset with this show doesn’t mean you can act childish to all the other people that enjoy this show. It’s also and insult to say to the people that choose to march here, who are of which spending thousands. If you don’t have anything interesting arguments or criticisms to say then kindly shut up.
Of course. My question is just how this nonsense came into acceptance and, therefore, into being incorporated into performance. Yep. This is woke BS ran awoke which has turned the Madison Scout D&B into a quagmire POS- just look at at the ridiculous off-shoots. All this organization needed was someone acting sexually inappropriately (hey, hard to break it to ya, its happened half a century ago) and the woke masters took over because everyone ran scared. No guts to confront the political BS. Now we listen to inferior training and lousy performances just because they are PS. LMFAO, except I remember when being a Madison Scout D&B Corp when I could hold my head up high proudly.
Not impressed at all. But on a brighter note, they have the standing poop squat down. And there’s even a ridiculously awful trombone feature. This is one band that would benefit from the return of G bugles. With these concert band instruments I’m hearing some very serious tuning and intonation issues. Lastly, the feminization of this once great all-male corps is now complete, and what a damned shame that is, a damned shame indeed. Might as well rename it to the Capitolaires.
It seems like there’s this like unspoken design checklist now. Gotta include token trombone lick even if it doesn’t add anything musically or fit. Gotta have double and triple tonguing added to the arrangement, even if our performers can barely make it work. Lots of squatting and stanky leg rhythm. The activity is fundamentally broken and no judges seem to have the cajones to bring it back to what it was. Rewarding all the wrong things nowadays.
I'm a Madison alum from the 80's -matched with the Jr Corps before moving up. I woke up this morning with Malaguena in my head for some reason and came to CZcams to listen to some Vintage Scouts to scratch whatever itch was in my brain. Great times! After watching it this video was next in the suggested queue so I made the ill-advised choice to click on it. Ugh ..now I know how my sister felt back in the day when she marched Caps and why she eventually moved on and up to that Star Band.
No matter what anyone thinks these kids are creating memories that will stay with them forever ! As a vet from the 80’s and 90’s, Scott Stewart taught us to never worry about the numbers, be in the moment and BYBO! May You NEVER Walk Alone
Im now one of those drum corps oldtimers and while i think the direction of the activity artistically is majority positive, it is nice to see a show where the field isnt cluttered up with props
As a real old timer, I see trombones, silly drag flag performers, and the huge amount of additional on-side instrumentation as a distraction of the primary purpose of a B&D corp. You might as well add elephants and clown cars. But don't expect real oldtimers to take this BS seriously.
Madison Scouts, never afraid to play the high notes and feature soloist. Never gets old. Lots of great content. Thanks for sharing.
A full football field. No props getting in the way.
I am encouraged by this. Madison is much better than previous years. I am from the older generation who spend when we go to shows...the last one me and my wife attended, we spent $2300 in the city the show was in. If the younger generation works on getting their compatriots to enjoy the electronics and the massive amount of equipment they haul onto the field, the activity will happily survive. Keep it up!
They really couldn't get any worse than the previous years
Some of these comments are so petty holy cow. Keep doing your thing Madison, don’t let any naysayers get in your way because this is not about them! MYNWA ⚜️
they are called opinions. You sound like a bot.
Amen. These kids are creating memories that will last forever ! MYNWA!
A CROWD FAVORITE!!❤️❤️❤️
I'm all for anything that pisses off the "Make Drum Corps great Again" generation.
lol thats a crazy claim to make. pedophilia pisses me off. so naturally you support it.
OK thanks. Thats helpful 🙄
SAY TYEM LAST NOTHT I LOVED IT
That ballad is epic!
Yessssssssss
I personally thought this was awesome!!! Im an oldie. Crown 01-02 Crossmen 03, and I have to say its nice to see a corps actually MARCHING and using effective drill! The body movements werent over the top, and the Black Hole Sun exerpt had me goin yeaaaaahhhhhh!!!! 💪😎 Get it Madison. At least youre staying true to your guns. Haters gonna hate. Great job!!!!!
You say you are an oldie? Baby, you are about 35 years late You weren't born when I was a !st tenor on the line, LOL!
@@jcw3195 well, in DCI years, 40 is up there Id think. Haha
Rusty Cage was supposed to be the opener right? I love that song, but I don't hear it at all. They wouldve blown everyone's minds if they did the breakdown... or any of it
I love this show but they really did the trombone dirty 💀💀. Honestly though, the high brass is some of the best I've seen this year.
Digging the weird battery numbers. Less snare more boom boom is okay in my book.
Every snare tech I know agrees: Nine's a time, Eight is great, Seven is heaven
I know that these kids and the staff are all working really REALLY hard, but I cannot watch this and not miss the Madison Scouts of the mid-90s that I grew up with.
Everyone does, but that’s how it goes. Everything can’t be great forever. and for the Madison scouts they moved past their prime since the 90s. From a audience standpoint you can say that the Madison scouts have lost in touch with what they were known for. But an important fact is the top corps today had to change visuals and music to be more competitive. No matter what these people on the field are the godam Madison scouts. MYNWA
Actually wouldn’t mind snares going back to mylar heads instead of the kevlar or whatever that is that sounds like plywood
Sounds great. The field drill however seems to be effected by thinking. More reps.
Am I missing something? People are saying this show doesn’t have drill, too much body work/flutter…
I agree that trend is terrible and dislike it, but this show has way more drill than most other shows this year.
I liked the music? I generally agree with the things people are complaining about, but this is the wrong show to point to.
And they have hats, and no mid show uniform change.
What am I missing?
Try fundamental B&D philosophy rather than a circus act. Try M&M rather than drag queen flag dancing and trombones, and a side line orchestra. Get back to basics... and the music selection is another matter.
What are they wearing? what is that Ball all about? OMG. DCI has been taken doen the Rainbow Road...
Coming along nicely now. That solo at the start needs cutting though or played back field. Too harsh tone
It’s a safe show. A known show designer once said… you have to design a show based on the talent you have. Is this a top 12 show…no.
Man their guard went to shit.
I was in the scouts guard 85-87 . This is painful to watch
I remember when DCI was primarily a marching activity. Now it's "body work" (whatever that means), free-form prancing to a new spot, and a bit of marching mixed in. At least they're wearing hats.
Absolutely agree. They should just start doing these contest indoors as stand stills. This rifle line didn't move for the first 2 minutes. I always would sit high in the stands just to see some awesome drills but now what's the use
People Said that same stuff in the 90s, DCI still as strong as ever tho
@@imhappy5266 Did they though? I don’t feel like there that many people who think 70s-80s DCI was a better generation than 90s-00s.
I’ll admit there is likely recency bias, but were people actually claiming then that DCI was fundamentally altered for the worse? Because that’s a legit argument nowadays.
“Free form prancing”. LOL
at least they are wearing something that resembles a uniform rather than some gym shorts and a tshirt (cadets). i know inflation is a thing but my god cant you re use formal uniforms rather than having a new uniform each year with the expense of quality? if you are really sturggling (even scv stopped this year because of money issues) then by all means just use the original corps uniform! if you risk "general effect" then that is a risk worth taking.
That’s the cadets trying to innovate fashion wise. Idk if that’s working or not.
I appreciate them trying to risk innovating though.
@@casualportraits It's not working
The uniform fits their show theme though, so i don’t understand the big fuss
i'll agree with you about the cadets look....i'm not really digging it. but i will say i'm not opposed to the switch to less traditional uniforms in particular if it's lighter garments for the performers to be in while touring in the hottest months of the year.
I don't understand the color guard uniforms. If it is a garden, shouldn't they be prettier? Look at how lovely Phantom's color guard always looks.
The show is based on the rock band “Soundgarden” so the uniforms were designed around the edgy rock theme.
@@fletchermyhre7628 Thank you.
I've been a Madison Scouts fan since the mid 70s. It's not great to see yet another incredibly disappointing show after a good start to the season.
The battery stayed in the back field almost the entire show, the guard needs to be much cleaner to make finals this year, the same goes for the brass, lots of tuning, timing, and intonation issues, especially in the trumpet and trombone solos. I can’t tell the marching style anymore, I don’t see championship level marching yet, finals are coming soon. The “new” Madison Scouts have to make their own “mojo”, they can no longer live off the reputation of the past, that was a different corps, different vibe, different “ mojo” as I like to call it. The famous Madison Scouts “blast the mustard off your hot dog in the nose bleed seats” sound and volume (see 1988 finals), is just not there yet. I’m looking forward to seeing Madison find it’s footing again and rise back to prominence with a new vibe and their own style, and of course their own “Mojo”.
So sad
is it because of the all male corps thing? lmao i agree
@@bigtupa5613 uhh they aint all male?
@@mitchsantini6216 not since (I believe) 2019
@@bigtupa5613Imagine being bothered by the fact that it isn’t all guys, weirdo.
@@mitchsantini6216 i know thats what i meant
This ahow is just ok, nothing special or has anything that stands out, it's just another average corp show, as of 07/23 they rank 17th in World Class, with a score of 77.175. They haven't had a great show since 2017's Last Man Standing which was the last year they placed in the top 12. Nothing against the corp itself but if we're going to be honest either going co-ed was a wrong move or the leadership i.e. musical director / show designer etc etc needs to be changed from top to bottom. With 3wks left until championship do you see them in the to 12?
Can you give an explanation as to why going coed could possibly be the reason for the past few year's placements? I want to see if you can give an answer than actually makes sense. (Not possible)
@@sethsimerly4392 What makes sense is the fact that ever since they’ve gone coed they haven’t they placed above 15th because their last few shows have been as exciting as watching paint dry. They’ve become just another coed corp with no personality, nothing that makes them stand out. Blue Coats, Mandarins and the Troopers have personality and that something about them that makes them stand out. The Cavaliers are the last remaining all male corp, but outside of being the last remaining all male corp they have shows with elements that make them stand out. Give one example of something that makes them standout since going coed.
@@sethsimerly4392 Give me an example of why going coed makes them a better corp let's see if you can give me one (NOT POSSIBLE) Go back and read my comment and tell me where I said anything about going coed making no sense or it being the reason why they haven't placed in the top 12, since 2017 oh you can't because I NEVER SAID THAT!!!! What I said was " Nothing against the corp itself but if we're going to be honest EITHER going co-ed was a wrong move or the leadership i.e. musical director / show designer etc etc needs to be changed from top to bottom." Madison Scouts were in need of a chage since 2018, I don't know why or even care about them going coed, in my opinion it came off as a gimmic. Whatever the reason they come off as your average corp with lack luster shows.
Does nothing for me. It's the equivalent of going into a Modern Art museum and going "WTF is this ??????". A big ball rolling around the field ???? Hello ?!????!?!!?!? And when did DCI outlaw musical form ? A cadence, anyone ??? I'm out. Watching no more. Listening no more. You all pat yourselves on the back and assure each other how "progressive" it is. As far as I'm concerned, it's mush. Killer chops; killer athletic ability; but the whole package leaves me cold. Buh-bye.
You're already cold Doug, I don't think Madison did that to you.
Corps have to change with the times. And because of certain judging decisions show designers have changed the way they make shows today since the 90s. Just because you are upset with this show doesn’t mean you can act childish to all the other people that enjoy this show. It’s also and insult to say to the people that choose to march here, who are of which spending thousands. If you don’t have anything interesting arguments or criticisms to say then kindly shut up.
Of course. My question is just how this nonsense came into acceptance and, therefore, into being incorporated into performance. Yep. This is woke BS ran awoke which has turned the Madison Scout D&B into a quagmire POS- just look at at the ridiculous off-shoots. All this organization needed was someone acting sexually inappropriately (hey, hard to break it to ya, its happened half a century ago) and the woke masters took over because everyone ran scared. No guts to confront the political BS. Now we listen to inferior training and lousy performances just because they are PS. LMFAO, except I remember when being a Madison Scout D&B Corp when I could hold my head up high proudly.
Not impressed at all. But on a brighter note, they have the standing poop squat down. And there’s even a ridiculously awful trombone feature. This is one band that would benefit from the return of G bugles. With these concert band instruments I’m hearing some very serious tuning and intonation issues. Lastly, the feminization of this once great all-male corps is now complete, and what a damned shame that is, a damned shame indeed. Might as well rename it to the Capitolaires.
It seems like there’s this like unspoken design checklist now. Gotta include token trombone lick even if it doesn’t add anything musically or fit. Gotta have double and triple tonguing added to the arrangement, even if our performers can barely make it work. Lots of squatting and stanky leg rhythm.
The activity is fundamentally broken and no judges seem to have the cajones to bring it back to what it was. Rewarding all the wrong things nowadays.
@@gregarious119
Well said, well said indeed.
"Might as well rename it to the Capitolaires."
In Risu Veritas
@@svbarryduckworth628
It was indeed tongue in cheek. But, I do ascribe to the “many a true word is spoken in jest” adage. 😁
I'm a Madison alum from the 80's -matched with the Jr Corps before moving up.
I woke up this morning with Malaguena in my head for some reason and came to CZcams to listen to some Vintage Scouts to scratch whatever itch was in my brain. Great times!
After watching it this video was next in the suggested queue so I made the ill-advised choice to click on it.
Ugh ..now I know how my sister felt back in the day when she marched Caps and why she eventually moved on and up to that Star Band.