@@knurlgnar24 That reminds me of a story a policeman once told me, his colleague was called up to remove a homeless person from the underground (subway) and after asking the homeless person if he had anything dangerous on him the homeless person paused and seemed to be in deep thought, he wasn't though. The appearance of deep thought was actually straining because he was taking a dump in his trousers, he skillfully jiggled it around his trouser leg and it ended up on his shoe then he flicked it up with great accuracy into the officers face.
There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
@Mo No All the insane asylums were shut down (in America) in 1998 by Clinton, so now all the insane people go to the mental ward of hospitals and/or prisons with a special mental wing.
@@michaelpettersson4919 That's fair enough, or if the person didn't know what they were taking. (Aka their non or mildly alcoholic drink was spiked by someone without their knowledge.)
This would never happen, big sober has been trying to oppress boozers for millennia. And another misconception with yuor stupid scenario, 75% of crimes are committed are by sober people, despite 60% of adults in the entire world being drunk every second. Don’t let big sober and the media convince you alcohol is bad. Now yuo see...
I've been told that insane people usually think they are in fact sane. So based on that I'm pretty sure I'm sane and my goldfish seems to agree. We had a long conversation about that a while back.
During the lockdown I really do miss going to conventions. I did find opening up a bag of goldfish at your local grocery store really does help with that.
except for the joker he knows he's insane, he embraces his insanity, and batman is actually the one defending him all the time batman even kept a god from killing joker because he stated that the joker was insane and couldn't help himself
I once saw an interview with someone who managed to plead insanity, he ended up spending more time locked up then if he had served his sentence. Because once you are considered insane how do you convince them that you're sane enough to be free again?
They spend more time incarcerated for relatively minor crimes like a fight (assult). Much more than had they gone to jail. I know someone who works in a forensic hospital. Trust me when I say they do not get away and i would almost argue spend way longer than nessisary.
The only reason why someone would want to go to mental ward rather than a prison, is so they don’t get the death penalty. (death penalties cannot be given to legally declared insane individuals).
Our society romanticizes mental health issues, while our government simultaneously sweeps it under the rug. Then everyone acts so surprised and can’t understand why horrific events occur.
Most recent case I remember is the girl who stabbed her bf and the social media made her into a yandere icon praising her. The guy survived but he said she did nothing wrong.
Catch-22: if you think that flying combat missions has driven you crazy, and you request a release from that duty because of that, it proves that you’re not actually crazy, so you’re forced to do more missions.
Best explanation yet, but only if if they know that from movie named for that concept. Hiding evidence of the crime or intelligeht planning to avoid detection usually invalidates an insanity plea, but that varies from state to state, even by district or by which judge.
I actually took the class, Forensic Psychology. Which is not at all like what the TV show depicts. Insanity being not a real diagnosis, the forensic psychologist determines if the defendant truly does have some issues with the process. Most are determined to be unable to stand trial because they don't understand what is going on. So the defendant spends some time learning about courts and criminal offenses. This happened with Ed Gein. He was determined to be unfit for trial and so when through some therapy. Afterwards, he was deemed fit for trial and then he was sentenced for life to a correctional facility for the criminally insane (again, a legal not diagnostic label). Most insanity pleas are like Gein's. A temporary time of therapy followed by a criminal trial. This is not considered double jeopardy because the first trial determining the need for therapy is held in abeyance to be resumed when the defendant is deemed fit for trial. And most US states anymore do not allow antisocial personality disorder (psychopathy or sociopathy) as a legal defense. It is almost always an automatic life in prison without parole or the death penalty. You can't fix these people.
I remember my college days. The Classical School of Criminology where everyone is punishable with harsh punishment with no exception vs the Positive School of Criminology where everyone is punishable according to the type of crime they committed, the degree on how it was committed and the mental state of the person committing it. It is ironic both School of Thought have different concept of crime but both creator have the same name. It is obvious which one prevail in the modern era.
Those with severe mental illness are trapped in their own living hell. It’s hard to deem an appropriate punishment to someone that lives in a completely different reality. Everyone sees & ignores the symptoms building up, until it’s to late. This is why the largest mental health provider is the prison system... if one could really consider it “mental health.”
The purpose of the modern insanity concept in our modern legal system is to divert those who do not have the capacity to know right from wrong or do not have control of themselves enough to be held accountable in a court of law into a medical situation , not a judicial and penal situation. It is considered morally wrong to punish some one if they had no control over themselves at the times of if they did not know the action of inaction was wrong at the time, and this is a boundary line most thoughtful intelligent persons would go along with. However, the legally insane person who has been deemed unfit to stand trial should then be supervised and given as much restraint and supervision as is needed to keep others and him and her self safe, most thoughtful and intelligent persons would think or say. The problem is that we individuals in society want these persons diverted from the legal system into the medical system to be properly supervised and controlled until they develop the self control and awareness that would let them be persons safe to be around and possibly productive in society, and that is the problem most persons who are against having the insanity plea will speak about. The entry into the medical track should be then followed by a revolving door like system as we have now, but also should have a way for agenuinely recovered persons to re-enter society.
Very true! My 12 year old was born schizophrenic, she sure as hell wouldn’t claim it. She does however enjoy telling people the crazy shit she sees and hears, she gets a kick out of people’s reactions. If we didn’t laugh about it, we’d cry.
@@mikoto7693 It's extremely hardto pulloff. There are expert forensic pyschiatrists who specialize in detecting such deception known as malingering. You normaly wouldn't be able to fool them, especially since most peoples ideas about diseases like schizophrenia come from movies. Also most pyschriatic conditions don't just sponteneously appear, in order to even have a chance at fooling them your medical history, your personal life and reports from friends and family have to show a pattern of clear mental illness over many months or years before the crime was commited. i.e. normaly with a disease liké schizophrenia, your personal life falls apart long before you go off the deep end, you have problems taking care of yourself, holding a job etc In Denmark, Norway and Sweden, you will undergo a 6 month pyschiatric observation and tests in a locked pyschiatric hospital. Normaly even the other patients will be able to very easily tell that you are faking it.
@@MuantanamoMobile Oh of course, real mental illness is no joke. When I was younger I suffered from quite severe depression. Most days I have trouble finding the effort to go shopping, or have a shower, sometimes even eating or getting out of bed. Everything seemed pointless. Anti-depressives helped make it bearable after awhile but it still sucked. Three years of poor quality talking therapy (since I clearly needed therapy yet wasn't sick enough for the NHS to fund it so I was foisted off on overburdened charities), medication and barely existing an what cured me? Getting a job. It was hard forcing myself to go to work and all the chores like eating and washing uniforms regularly and all that was tiring at first. But then I started to feel better. What I did mattered. In a hospital, cleaning the bed and bed space means the next patient waiting for a spot on the wards in ER can be admitted. If I do it well and fast the head nurse can be pleased with her ward patient flow. I keep the germs at bay. Four years in September and I haven't had MRSA or norovirus in my ward. Funnily enough it was having purpose and being useful that cured me. Not even on medication anymore. Yet even with my medical history I doubt I could plead insanity should I ever be stupid enough to commit a major crime. LOL, though I suppose I'd have a better chance than non-crazy normies eh? 😉
Once, when discussing with fellow gardeners if it was a sign of insanity to 'talk to plants,' I replied that it wasn't necessarily a sign of insanity to talk to them, but start packing your straitjacket if ever they were to talk back...
Damn it's been a while since I've seen your videos idk why I'm not getting notifed of your uploads but I did on this one lol ao I'll go through and watch what I can on your latest videos for sure lol
Over here in Germany the insanity defense works in a different way. If the accused is suffering from a psychological disorder and experts hired by the court come to the conclusion that his or her disorder had CAUSED him or her to commit the crime he or she is accused of, he or she might be send to a "forensic clinic", which is a mixture of a psychiatric clinic and a prison, instead of being send to prison. Also it might have an impact on how long the accused's sentence will be, in case he or she is not send to a clinic but to a prison anyway. But being insane won't lead to be aquitted in a trial of law, as even if the judge finds the accused to be "nicht schuldfähig" ("not being able of guilt") or "eingschränkt schuldfähig" ("restrictedly being able of guilt"), the accused will stil have to face some form of consequence for their crime. So even if you're found to "not being able of guilt", due to a psychological disorder that has caused you to commit a crime, you will be locked up in a forensic clinic, maybe even for the rest of your life.
Hey man, love the content. You should make in episode on weird laws and why they were created or loopholes in the law and weird things about the legal system.
An interesting topic to cover is how corporations, those companies legally set up with an inc. in the name of the company, can legally be persons, because persons can be legally slandered and libel which means telling a true thing but with malice and bad intentions and how much are those corporations like persons who are humans under the law? No one gas ever home so far as to say the cirporztion has a right to free speech as a humsn person who has a beating heart and is breathing. Another interesting topic covered in sci fi and horror genres is how much of a person legally is a one of the split personalities? Some sci fi shows and movies describe a world with a legal system that had different rules than us for dealing with this situation and other situations with one body but two legally persons. The nearest thing to this situation is we have now is a set of cojoined twins in the USA have two drivers' licenses not one, are deemed two persons who together have 2 heads, 2 legs, and two arms. In their case, each has control of roughly one side of the body and driving a vehicle like everything else these two do requires cooperation and coordination with the other twin.
No matter how many times I watch this man’s brilliant videos, I always hear, “Heyyyy! Forty-two, here.” And then I look down to see his channel name is “Thoughty2.” Every time. Never fails.
Look at that like to dislike ratio omg, amazing. I've been watching you since long before you grew you moustache and the quality of the videos have only increased since then. Keep up the good work!
I literally eat everything on this planet besides chocolate ,fudge , velvet cake, coco, chocolate milk !! I can’t smell it , I gag when it’s on my girlfriends breath when I kiss her, a Chocolate cake in the oven makes me nauseous and my head hurts !! And my parents say when I was a baby and they put chocolate in my mouth I would spit it out and start crying ?! Do I have dog DNA??
That’s another fact someone else commented, insane people, or basically people with severe mental health disorders, often do not know, or won’t acknowledge or agree with the fact that they’re indeed suffering from an awful disorder. That’s a very good way to notice. But I’m no expert by any sense of the word. Sure, I’ve been to some (the same one usually) and it’s not too unpleasant. As if you do act out, you’ll quickly wish that you hadn’t. It’s amazing how quickly 4-5 huge men can appear and tackle you, then into the padded room you go.
What lockdown? Shit is basically over now. Your comment is late af. Not only that but he's been doing work, look at all the vids he put out over the last year
@@dankone3 man you really have a shitty awareness of the rest of the world. In my country it is starting again in the wake of the third wave of coronavirus.
@@dankone3 Yeah, it depends on what country you're in. The UK might be lifting certain restrictions but there is still technically a lockdown. In Germany there's a lockdown and a very strict one in Cambodia.
Thoughty 2, you’re magnificent in jurisprudence. Kick them when they’re up, kick them when they’re down. Im non compmentis writing this. Thanks again for your show.
I guess I better behave myself, I've never been able to convince anyone of anything, even if it's for their own good. They simply refuse to believe me. Or worse, people think a whole lot of things about me, all of them bad and all of them not true. I'm not abnormal, all of them are. I just wanted to be able to have a regular conversation with my friends. It's been 25 years and all I've gotten is an argument.
Apple cinnamon monkey toaster! Rusty spoons! PINWHEELS! With such an ironclad defense, I shall now become the golden autumn day strangler without consequence.
They don't let you off Scott free. You are locked up in the nut house until you are fit to stand trial, and if that's never ... Well you gave yourself life
It used to be the case that a person diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenic psychosis at the time they committed a murder would end up in a hospital rather than a prison ... and be discharged once they'd been stabilised on medication. Now, if a schizophrenic stops taking their medication, and goes on to commit a murder, they are in effect culpable because, whilst sane, they''d stopped taking their medication, knowing that by doing so they risked going insane. Bipolar people who run up debts whilst in a manic phase are responsible for their debts whilst schizophrenics who do the same whilst psychotic are not. It's not uncommon for psychiatrists to assist their bipolar patients by ... temporarily ... labelling them as schiophrenic. Some psychiatrists exaggerate their schizophrenic or otherwise patients symptoms so that they can claim higher benefits. I knew a patient who was getting the full benefit of £200/week. He carried on living on the basic unemployment rate of £50/week and saved the rest in a separate bank account with the aim of eventually buying a house. Another supposedly schizophrenic patient I knew of, also on full benefits, rented out the flat she'd been provided with and spent most of her time in her country of origin, where she set up a successful business ... returning occasionally to attend hospital appointments here.
Jordan Peterson may be able to help you get over this. Hes on CZcams I've felt like you described for awhile, I've been a shut in for about 3 years before the lockdowns even began. Couldnt even make myself go to the local store for a pack of smokes. Recently I gave a delivery app a try. Delivering food from fast food restaurants sorta thing. Earning abit of money and feeling useful for the first time in years has given me a new since of hope and purpose. Motivation is coming back and I catch myself smiling while listening to the radio at night while on deliveries. I chose delivery so I wouldnt have to interact with many people, leave their food on the steps and go. But this is the kinda thing Jordan Peterson lectures about. I never paid the man any attention but he might actually be onto something. Wish you the best, depression is a bi+
Don't give up Chizzaru, I know it doesn't seem like it right now but things will change for you someday. You won't feel like this forever. Once I could barely make it out of bed let alone go shopping. Everything seemed pointless. The only thing I can suggest is to seek medical help and find a job. Start with one that doesn't require a lot of contact with people. It cured my deep depression. It was hard at first, forcing myself to go to work. But I'm a hospital cleaner. I need to get up go and clean the beds and bed spaces for the nurses so the next patient waiting in ER can be admitted to the ward. I need to go and keep the germs at bay. I've never had MRSA or norovirus on my ward. And because the doctors and nurses and other staff think I'm below them, they don't talk to me unless they need to or I force the issue.
In a Homicide Hunter episode, a guy who had a really extreme mental illness murdered his wife and dissected using a variety of items in the house and even flushed a body part down the toilet. The wife was estranged from him, but was sympathetic if I recall due to his mental illness. The guy was arrested when his bizarre behavior at a gas station was reported by an employee. His mom also reported him because he had told her right before he fled that he murdered his wife and gave some indication it was wrong. In Colorado, because he admitted he knew it was wrong, his insanity plea failed. In the series Signs of a Psychopath, doctors have explained psychopaths are aware of murder being wrong LEGALLY, but that do not see it wrong otherwise.
something that was always taught to us during criminal law classes is that sometimes the insanity defence is not better than being found guilty, as the requirement for being allowed out of a mental institution is being declared sane and not dangerous by the combined medical and psychological bord, the problem is that releasing a person who once out commits another crime could make them liable for "criminal negligence" and thus it is very common for this safety measures as we call putting someone in a mental institution in Argentina, to be much longer than the maximum prison sentence we have (25 years) sometimes being for life.
I think in the UK, if a defendant or prisoner is declared insane, then the time they spend in hospital is not counted towards their tariff, so, the clock stops when they enter the psychiatric unit. If they are subsequently found to be 'cured' of their insanity, then they would go back to prison and start to serve their tariff. Peter Sutcliffe, who was known as the 'Yorkshire Ripper' spent most of his life after being arrested in psychiatric units. Towards the end of his life, he was declared fit to return to prison to serve his time. He tried to avoid this as while in a mental health institution he had a much easier life.
"In the midst of the 'Monkey Business' mission, the philosopher Michael pondered life's intricacies, musing, 'Plead 'fuckin insanity, then they can't fry ya.' - Michael, the Sage of Grand Theft Auto V."
Another fascinating video. Witty and informative - your videos are getting me through a week in bed after being discharged from hospital. Keep ‘em coming :-)
Are you from Stoke / North Staffs btw? You sound just like one of my old classmates! Thanks again for the videos - and I look forward to reading the new book.
Your honour, my client pleads idiocy.
Yes 🤣😂
Idiocracy --- We've been living the _IRL_ version here in the States for years now.
“My client thought toasters where waterproof”
An imbecile pleading for an idiot is oxymoronic
"Guilty."
*Prosecuted:* “I plead insanity.”
*Judge:* “Well I am insane myself, so I sentence you to life.”
@Hannah D General Kenobi...
the real reason for the insanity plea is to allow PROSECUTION to plead it!
when they do, you automatically lost all legal capacity to defend yourself
Yo 69 likes. 420 comments maybe
@Hannah D You are a bold one...
🤣😂🤣😂 nice
"Why did you murder those people?"
"I'm the town idiot."
"You're free to go, sir. Oh, give me all your shit first."
Careful with your phrasing lest you get exactly what you ask for. He's an idiot after all...
@@knurlgnar24 That reminds me of a story a policeman once told me, his colleague was called up to remove a homeless person from the underground (subway) and after asking the homeless person if he had anything dangerous on him the homeless person paused and seemed to be in deep thought, he wasn't though. The appearance of deep thought was actually straining because he was taking a dump in his trousers, he skillfully jiggled it around his trouser leg and it ended up on his shoe then he flicked it up with great accuracy into the officers face.
@@Phoenixash-delfuego A football player that ran into hard times?
@@Phoenixash-delfuego He used the shatringan
@@Phoenixash-delfuego wtf!!
There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
If I have a table I'd rather pound the lawyer. From behind. Bend her over that table. That's how I win my cases.
@@HereForTheComments or the judge. Much easier.
@@alzarian2029 the gown is easy access
@@AbsentQuack the wig is just cosplay
What the hell happened here
Not to mention, a lot of times mental hospitals can be worse than prisons
@Mo No All the insane asylums were shut down (in America) in 1998 by Clinton, so now all the insane people go to the mental ward of hospitals and/or prisons with a special mental wing.
@Mo No If you are declared insane, you don’t get the death penalty...
*Cough* Darren Rainey *Cough*
Not all of the mental hospitals I been to a psych ward and It was fun... I miss it
@@dillanfourie3188 not for me
“You murdered 5 people!!!”
“I was drunk.”
“Understandable have a nice day”
I would accept such a defense only if the intoxication was involuntary. That would require someone forcing drugs on someone.
@@michaelpettersson4919 That's fair enough, or if the person didn't know what they were taking. (Aka their non or mildly alcoholic drink was spiked by someone without their knowledge.)
"It was my family"
"Understandable, have a nice day." xD
This would never happen, big sober has been trying to oppress boozers for millennia. And another misconception with yuor stupid scenario, 75% of crimes are committed are by sober people, despite 60% of adults in the entire world being drunk every second. Don’t let big sober and the media convince you alcohol is bad. Now yuo see...
@@si6ck you’re joking, right?🤣
Your honor, it was wacky wednesday . My client had to go wacky
🤘🏻
I've been told that insane people usually think they are in fact sane. So based on that I'm pretty sure I'm sane and my goldfish seems to agree. We had a long conversation about that a while back.
did you notice that your goldfish isn't actually golden
During the lockdown I really do miss going to conventions. I did find opening up a bag of goldfish at your local grocery store really does help with that.
Are you certain the goldfish is sane though?
I have Schizophrenia and i Know i am Not normal
except for the joker
he knows he's insane, he embraces his insanity, and batman is actually the one defending him all the time
batman even kept a god from killing joker because he stated that the joker was insane and couldn't help himself
I once saw an interview with someone who managed to plead insanity, he ended up spending more time locked up then if he had served his sentence.
Because once you are considered insane how do you convince them that you're sane enough to be free again?
Is this the one where once he was in he would tell them that he wasn’t actually insane, which made them think he was insane🤣
If you say you're crazy then you should know because it's your mind but then crazy people usually think they aren't crazy.
They spend more time incarcerated for relatively minor crimes like a fight (assult). Much more than had they gone to jail. I know someone who works in a forensic hospital. Trust me when I say they do not get away and i would almost argue spend way longer than nessisary.
Tony! I saw that too, so good so sad! I think it was a tedtalk I saw that I saw.
The only reason why someone would want to go to mental ward rather than a prison, is so they don’t get the death penalty. (death penalties cannot be given to legally declared insane individuals).
This has become one of my all time favorite channels I've discovered during lockdown.
Uh.. Is that so?
Great channel!
I agree, can't believe he's been making content for years lol
It soothes my soul to hear, "Hey... Fawty 2 here."
You became one of my favorite ones during this lockdown.
You're a baddie 😘
Our society romanticizes mental health issues, while our government simultaneously sweeps it under the rug. Then everyone acts so surprised and can’t understand why horrific events occur.
Most recent case I remember is the girl who stabbed her bf and the social media made her into a yandere icon praising her. The guy survived but he said she did nothing wrong.
Catch-22: if you think that flying combat missions has driven you crazy, and you request a release from that duty because of that, it proves that you’re not actually crazy, so you’re forced to do more missions.
Excellent book
You know why he keeps crabapples in his mouth then
Best explanation yet, but only if if they know that from movie named for that concept. Hiding evidence of the crime or intelligeht planning to avoid detection usually invalidates an insanity plea, but that varies from state to state, even by district or by which judge.
I think Arlo Guthrie had that worked out too.
Thanks Yossarian.
Honestly, it's actually pretty easy to plead insanity. You just have to tell the judge you're looking forward to watching a Houston sports team
Or tell them youre one of the millions who had their genitals tortured at birth as your first experience in this world.
@@jessejennings3828
Unfortunately, I'm also circumcised.
@@GNParty you were born perfect.
Dont let anyone tell you differently.
My rockets 14-40 :(
@@tylerkoch5255 finally a normal reply, lol
But yeah, Houston is cursed
Honestly, the topics you discuss on this channel are so unique and so different from every other channel like yours. It’s really fun and entertaining
Your honor, my client pleads oopsie daisies
"I gotta finish him off while I'm still temporarily insane" - Groundskeeper Willie
Always struggling to find a balance between concentrating on what he says and gaze upon the man's moustache 😎
You should stop fighting your urges to watch 70's porn, that might help.
@@Paulzpc what?
Cookie duster!
I actually took the class, Forensic Psychology. Which is not at all like what the TV show depicts. Insanity being not a real diagnosis, the forensic psychologist determines if the defendant truly does have some issues with the process. Most are determined to be unable to stand trial because they don't understand what is going on. So the defendant spends some time learning about courts and criminal offenses. This happened with Ed Gein. He was determined to be unfit for trial and so when through some therapy. Afterwards, he was deemed fit for trial and then he was sentenced for life to a correctional facility for the criminally insane (again, a legal not diagnostic label). Most insanity pleas are like Gein's. A temporary time of therapy followed by a criminal trial. This is not considered double jeopardy because the first trial determining the need for therapy is held in abeyance to be resumed when the defendant is deemed fit for trial. And most US states anymore do not allow antisocial personality disorder (psychopathy or sociopathy) as a legal defense. It is almost always an automatic life in prison without parole or the death penalty. You can't fix these people.
Thanks now I can learn how to plead insanity
Same
One doesn’t experience self-transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates🎈
Foolish mortal.
This episode was insane!!!
It’s been one minute.
@@DaRoyalSaif its a play on words
I love how you said there's been crazy people around since there's been people❤😭
There's a pandemic I'm not passing it😭
I remember my college days. The Classical School of Criminology where everyone is punishable with harsh punishment with no exception vs the Positive School of Criminology where everyone is punishable according to the type of crime they committed, the degree on how it was committed and the mental state of the person committing it. It is ironic both School of Thought have different concept of crime but both creator have the same name. It is obvious which one prevail in the modern era.
Those with severe mental illness are trapped in their own living hell. It’s hard to deem an appropriate punishment to someone that lives in a completely different reality. Everyone sees & ignores the symptoms building up, until it’s to late. This is why the largest mental health provider is the prison system... if one could really consider it “mental health.”
The purpose of the modern insanity concept in our modern legal system is to divert those who do not have the capacity to know right from wrong or do not have control of themselves enough to be held accountable in a court of law into a medical situation , not a judicial and penal situation. It is considered morally wrong to punish some one if they had no control over themselves at the times of if they did not know the action of inaction was wrong at the time, and this is a boundary line most thoughtful intelligent persons would go along with. However, the legally insane person who has been deemed unfit to stand trial should then be supervised and given as much restraint and supervision as is needed to keep others and him and her self safe, most thoughtful and intelligent persons would think or say. The problem is that we individuals in society want these persons diverted from the legal system into the medical system to be properly supervised and controlled until they develop the self control and awareness that would let them be persons safe to be around and possibly productive in society, and that is the problem most persons who are against having the insanity plea will speak about. The entry into the medical track should be then followed by a revolving door like system as we have now, but also should have a way for agenuinely recovered persons to re-enter society.
Well said
It's like Catch 22; only a sane person would claim insanity... 🙃
Very true! My 12 year old was born schizophrenic, she sure as hell wouldn’t claim it. She does however enjoy telling people the crazy shit she sees and hears, she gets a kick out of people’s reactions. If we didn’t laugh about it, we’d cry.
The trick seems to be, then, acting insane enough to get those around you like the police etc to think you might be nuts.
@@mikoto7693 It's extremely hardto pulloff. There are expert forensic pyschiatrists who specialize in detecting such deception known as malingering. You normaly wouldn't be able to fool them, especially since most peoples ideas about diseases like schizophrenia come from movies.
Also most pyschriatic conditions don't just sponteneously appear, in order to even have a chance at fooling them your medical history, your personal life and reports from friends and family have to show a pattern of clear mental illness over many months or years before the crime was commited. i.e. normaly with a disease liké schizophrenia, your personal life falls apart long before you go off the deep end, you have problems taking care of yourself, holding a job etc
In Denmark, Norway and Sweden, you will undergo a 6 month pyschiatric observation and tests in a locked pyschiatric hospital. Normaly even the other patients will be able to very easily tell that you are faking it.
@@MuantanamoMobile Oh of course, real mental illness is no joke. When I was younger I suffered from quite severe depression. Most days I have trouble finding the effort to go shopping, or have a shower, sometimes even eating or getting out of bed. Everything seemed pointless. Anti-depressives helped make it bearable after awhile but it still sucked. Three years of poor quality talking therapy (since I clearly needed therapy yet wasn't sick enough for the NHS to fund it so I was foisted off on overburdened charities), medication and barely existing an what cured me?
Getting a job. It was hard forcing myself to go to work and all the chores like eating and washing uniforms regularly and all that was tiring at first. But then I started to feel better. What I did mattered. In a hospital, cleaning the bed and bed space means the next patient waiting for a spot on the wards in ER can be admitted. If I do it well and fast the head nurse can be pleased with her ward patient flow.
I keep the germs at bay. Four years in September and I haven't had MRSA or norovirus in my ward. Funnily enough it was having purpose and being useful that cured me. Not even on medication anymore.
Yet even with my medical history I doubt I could plead insanity should I ever be stupid enough to commit a major crime. LOL, though I suppose I'd have a better chance than non-crazy normies eh? 😉
@@mikoto7693 Indeed. I am glad that you are doing better.
Crazy, just submitted my law school application and this video popped up.
Good luck!👍
Sending you good vibes!
Congrats on getting this far.
Please don't end up a prosecutor.
Thanks for adding Captain Blackadder! "Wubble"
Edit: And Baldrick's over-optimistic "cunning plan" !
RIP speckled Jim, not a finer or delicious carrier pigeon in her majesty's service
@@TimHunold Thank you, Darling
And him now being the slug balancer
"I'm a victim of ciycumstance!" -Curly, The Three Stooges
Once, when discussing with fellow gardeners if it was a sign of insanity to 'talk to plants,' I replied that it wasn't necessarily a sign of insanity to talk to them, but start packing your straitjacket if ever they were to talk back...
The easy way to plead insanity is to state you prefer your milk to go in the bowl before cereal
A real Cereal Killer right there....I'll seat myself out.
Lol
You mean you prefer to put your cereal in the bowl before your milk ?
@@hushamfusion Yep
Damn it's been a while since I've seen your videos idk why I'm not getting notifed of your uploads but I did on this one lol ao I'll go through and watch what I can on your latest videos for sure lol
That happens a lot to me too
Not me.
I get all the notifications ALL OF THEM
The definition of insanity is the thought that doing the same thing over and over again will produce a different outcome
That's the definition of science
Original title:
Thoughty2's Experience in the Legal System
Over here in Germany the insanity defense works in a different way. If the accused is suffering from a psychological disorder and experts hired by the court come to the conclusion that his or her disorder had CAUSED him or her to commit the crime he or she is accused of, he or she might be send to a "forensic clinic", which is a mixture of a psychiatric clinic and a prison, instead of being send to prison. Also it might have an impact on how long the accused's sentence will be, in case he or she is not send to a clinic but to a prison anyway. But being insane won't lead to be aquitted in a trial of law, as even if the judge finds the accused to be "nicht schuldfähig" ("not being able of guilt") or "eingschränkt schuldfähig" ("restrictedly being able of guilt"), the accused will stil have to face some form of consequence for their crime. So even if you're found to "not being able of guilt", due to a psychological disorder that has caused you to commit a crime, you will be locked up in a forensic clinic, maybe even for the rest of your life.
Me: "I want to claim insanity!"
Them: "don't listen to him, he's insane"
me: "drats!"
Hey man, love the content. You should make in episode on weird laws and why they were created or loopholes in the law and weird things about the legal system.
An interesting topic to cover is how corporations, those companies legally set up with an inc. in the name of the company, can legally be persons, because persons can be legally slandered and libel which means telling a true thing but with malice and bad intentions and how much are those corporations like persons who are humans under the law? No one gas ever home so far as to say the cirporztion has a right to free speech as a humsn person who has a beating heart and is breathing.
Another interesting topic covered in sci fi and horror genres is how much of a person legally is a one of the split personalities? Some sci fi shows and movies describe a world with a legal system that had different rules than us for dealing with this situation and other situations with one body but two legally persons. The nearest thing to this situation is we have now is a set of cojoined twins in the USA have two drivers' licenses not one, are deemed two persons who together have 2 heads, 2 legs, and two arms. In their case, each has control of roughly one side of the body and driving a vehicle like everything else these two do requires cooperation and coordination with the other twin.
I heard somewhere in America it I illegal to collect rainwater.
@@thewanderingartists that is California.
@@eastlynburkholder3559 holy fuck I thought it would be Florida.
@@thewanderingartists it is legal to collect rain water in Florida. Florida is rhe state with drugs washing up on shore or falling out if the sky.
No matter how many times I watch this man’s brilliant videos, I always hear, “Heyyyy! Forty-two, here.” And then I look down to see his channel name is “Thoughty2.” Every time. Never fails.
We are all insane one way or another just up to us to embrace it or not
Hey, Thoughty. What delightful info you have for me today?
Look at that like to dislike ratio omg, amazing. I've been watching you since long before you grew you moustache and the quality of the videos have only increased since then. Keep up the good work!
Love your material bud. Keep up the good work
1 dislike from people who can't plead insanity
Anyone can plead insanity and hope that the court will buy it but only the truly insane would do it when not even accused of anything...
Boom, keep catching these early. 4 uploads in a week too, superb stuff mate
By far one of the best videos you have ever made in one of the most informative thank you great conversation
I always watch your videos when I try to sleep. Keep up the good work mate
Great videos bro 👍
Intriguing video, I'm just off to Hartlepool to buy some exploding trousers.
FYI : do they also sell blastproof underwears?
Sounds like a Python skit.
Lol, what a coincidence. I wrote a paper last year regarding the “defence of intoxication and insanity”.
Actually addicted to ur vids bro they are so good
There's nothing wrong with me. The cactus and the pine tree outside, agree. Which is rare, since they don't get on, much less agree on anything.
And who planted a cactus next to a pine tree?
@@fajaradi1223 We dare not speak her name!
I'm just here for the mustache and the title and thumbnail changes
You are definitely a good researcher. I would love to see you do a video on the Antikythera mechanism.
Great episode brother really enjoyed this one💯❗❗❗
Your voice is so nice
Lmao blackadder goes forth reference
I literally eat everything on this planet besides chocolate ,fudge , velvet cake, coco, chocolate milk !! I can’t smell it , I gag when it’s on my girlfriends breath when I kiss her, a Chocolate cake in the oven makes me nauseous and my head hurts !! And my parents say when I was a baby and they put chocolate in my mouth I would spit it out and start crying ?! Do I have dog DNA??
That’s another fact someone else commented, insane people, or basically people with severe mental health disorders, often do not know, or won’t acknowledge or agree with the fact that they’re indeed suffering from an awful disorder. That’s a very good way to notice. But I’m no expert by any sense of the word. Sure, I’ve been to some (the same one usually) and it’s not too unpleasant. As if you do act out, you’ll quickly wish that you hadn’t. It’s amazing how quickly 4-5 huge men can appear and tackle you, then into the padded room you go.
You really need to upload more frequently in this lock down or I am going to plead for insanity.
What lockdown? Shit is basically over now.
Your comment is late af.
Not only that but he's been doing work, look at all the vids he put out over the last year
@@dankone3 man you really have a shitty awareness of the rest of the world. In my country it is starting again in the wake of the third wave of coronavirus.
@@theory7266 This ain't no theory man, it's a freaking law.
@@dankone3 Yeah, it depends on what country you're in. The UK might be lifting certain restrictions but there is still technically a lockdown. In Germany there's a lockdown and a very strict one in Cambodia.
@@mikoto7693 funny you mention Cambodia, my ex is Cambodian. Hope those people are alright
Insane in the membrane
Insane in the brain
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Thoughty 2, you’re magnificent in jurisprudence. Kick them when they’re up, kick them when they’re down. Im non compmentis writing this. Thanks again for your show.
Great content Arran!
Ferb, I know what we’re gonna do today!
I guess I better behave myself, I've never been able to convince anyone of anything, even if it's for their own good. They simply refuse to believe me. Or worse, people think a whole lot of things about me, all of them bad and all of them not true. I'm not abnormal, all of them are. I just wanted to be able to have a regular conversation with my friends. It's been 25 years and all I've gotten is an argument.
Apple cinnamon monkey toaster! Rusty spoons! PINWHEELS! With such an ironclad defense, I shall now become the golden autumn day strangler without consequence.
I needed this video 5 years ago.
They don't let you off Scott free. You are locked up in the nut house until you are fit to stand trial, and if that's never ... Well you gave yourself life
Fitness to stand trial is preliminary and deals with the defendant at that time, NGRI with him at the time of the trial.
the video on 1.25 speed is amazing
My battery is constantly drained due to thoughty and Mr. Ballen
🤣🤣 hilarious as always. Love your videos. Buying your book on pay day brother
Holy shit I'm early, love ya thoughty
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Damn yall quick
I've waited decades to see this video.. well done
It used to be the case that a person diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenic psychosis at the time they committed a murder would end up in a hospital rather than a prison ... and be discharged once they'd been stabilised on medication. Now, if a schizophrenic stops taking their medication, and goes on to commit a murder, they are in effect culpable because, whilst sane, they''d stopped taking their medication, knowing that by doing so they risked going insane. Bipolar people who run up debts whilst in a manic phase are responsible for their debts whilst schizophrenics who do the same whilst psychotic are not. It's not uncommon for psychiatrists to assist their bipolar patients by ... temporarily ... labelling them as schiophrenic. Some psychiatrists exaggerate their schizophrenic or otherwise patients symptoms so that they can claim higher benefits. I knew a patient who was getting the full benefit of £200/week. He carried on living on the basic unemployment rate of £50/week and saved the rest in a separate bank account with the aim of eventually buying a house. Another supposedly schizophrenic patient I knew of, also on full benefits, rented out the flat she'd been provided with and spent most of her time in her country of origin, where she set up a successful business ... returning occasionally to attend hospital appointments here.
I'm not even gonna tell you how i am. Let's just say that i'm way too depressed and way too murderous to even be considered a living human being
Jordan Peterson may be able to help you get over this. Hes on CZcams
I've felt like you described for awhile, I've been a shut in for about 3 years before the lockdowns even began. Couldnt even make myself go to the local store for a pack of smokes. Recently I gave a delivery app a try. Delivering food from fast food restaurants sorta thing. Earning abit of money and feeling useful for the first time in years has given me a new since of hope and purpose. Motivation is coming back and I catch myself smiling while listening to the radio at night while on deliveries. I chose delivery so I wouldnt have to interact with many people, leave their food on the steps and go. But this is the kinda thing Jordan Peterson lectures about. I never paid the man any attention but he might actually be onto something. Wish you the best, depression is a bi+
Don't give up Chizzaru, I know it doesn't seem like it right now but things will change for you someday. You won't feel like this forever. Once I could barely make it out of bed let alone go shopping. Everything seemed pointless.
The only thing I can suggest is to seek medical help and find a job. Start with one that doesn't require a lot of contact with people. It cured my deep depression. It was hard at first, forcing myself to go to work. But I'm a hospital cleaner. I need to get up go and clean the beds and bed spaces for the nurses so the next patient waiting in ER can be admitted to the ward. I need to go and keep the germs at bay. I've never had MRSA or norovirus on my ward. And because the doctors and nurses and other staff think I'm below them, they don't talk to me unless they need to or I force the issue.
Judge: “you’re responsible for the murder of 6 people”
Defendant: “your honor, brewskies”
Judge: “you’re free to go”
In a Homicide Hunter episode, a guy who had a really extreme mental illness murdered his wife and dissected using a variety of items in the house and even flushed a body part down the toilet. The wife was estranged from him, but was sympathetic if I recall due to his mental illness. The guy was arrested when his bizarre behavior at a gas station was reported by an employee. His mom also reported him because he had told her right before he fled that he murdered his wife and gave some indication it was wrong. In Colorado, because he admitted he knew it was wrong, his insanity plea failed. In the series Signs of a Psychopath, doctors have explained psychopaths are aware of murder being wrong LEGALLY, but that do not see it wrong otherwise.
Well done Sir Thoughty #2‼️💯👍🏻👍🏻
That's just cause everyone is insane after the whole Rona shite
based and cringe
@@bici9968 ? Lol
@@maxmccann5323 unironic shit commenting
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Heeey thoughty2 here
@@MoonRose-Valentine Heeeey Thoughty2 Here
Hey thoughty3 here
Thanks for yet another strange and fascinating video topic.
"Sure there's a catch," Doc Daneeka replied. "Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy."
Loved that book.
something that was always taught to us during criminal law classes is that sometimes the insanity defence is not better than being found guilty, as the requirement for being allowed out of a mental institution is being declared sane and not dangerous by the combined medical and psychological bord, the problem is that releasing a person who once out commits another crime could make them liable for "criminal negligence" and thus it is very common for this safety measures as we call putting someone in a mental institution in Argentina, to be much longer than the maximum prison sentence we have (25 years) sometimes being for life.
I think in the UK, if a defendant or prisoner is declared insane, then the time they spend in hospital is not counted towards their tariff, so, the clock stops when they enter the psychiatric unit. If they are subsequently found to be 'cured' of their insanity, then they would go back to prison and start to serve their tariff. Peter Sutcliffe, who was known as the 'Yorkshire Ripper' spent most of his life after being arrested in psychiatric units. Towards the end of his life, he was declared fit to return to prison to serve his time. He tried to avoid this as while in a mental health institution he had a much easier life.
You immediately confront Catch 22......... and that's one helluva catch.
Great clip, with a very interesting subject ;-)
Another insanely interesting video!
0:41 that caught me off-guard, not because I’m unfamiliar with Blackadder, but because Blackadder’s fiction. Still very comedic.
"In the midst of the 'Monkey Business' mission, the philosopher Michael pondered life's intricacies, musing, 'Plead 'fuckin insanity, then they can't fry ya.' - Michael, the Sage of Grand Theft Auto V."
Thanks I'm going to use this for the future
Wait, when'd you change the thumbnail? It was terrifying, I loved it.
Why tf is it age restricted as well? I'm- what?
Rules and Law is the most important thing in the world.This two words liberate us humans to be civilized.
Falling asleep to this man's videos hits different
I like every video before it's even done cause "Hey 42 here" is enough for me.
Blackadder hahahahaha and you almost lost it when you mentioned it, that made it even better hahahaha
I swear this guy has the best timing with his jokes
CZcams: "content may be inappropriate"
Me: "LET ME IN!!!"
I once used the insanity plea during my divorce. It worked too. After hearing from my wife the Judge said I'd have to be nuts to have married her.
Nice!!
fortunately I have no mental or personality defects whatsoever!
Another fascinating video. Witty and informative - your videos are getting me through a week in bed after being discharged from hospital. Keep ‘em coming :-)
Are you from Stoke / North Staffs btw? You sound just like one of my old classmates! Thanks again for the videos - and I look forward to reading the new book.
I’m from Alsager. We should go for a pint when I get back to England.
When he started about the 'how to' guide, to fake insanity, I thought he was going to advertise for Skillshare.