TOS BN102B Tool and cutter grinder || RotarySMP
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- A review of a fantastic machine from the 1980's.
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00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Mail-time
02:03 - A quick honey-do
04:16 - TOS BN102B tool and cutter grinder.
15:30 - Romantic candle holder. - Věda a technologie
Never in my life did i expect to see a david bowie advent calendar.
Neither did we. She doesn't want to open it, but the glue holding the picture on is not easily releasing.
@@RotarySMP Might I suggest, the old-school spycraft technique of holding it over steam until the adhesive begins to give?
Or would that damage the picture as well? (Depends if it's a painting)
@@NightsReign It is a really chinsey early 80's paper printed half tone. It will fall apart if she tries steaming it off.
I don’t think I’ve ever a single machine with so many accessories. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Greg. Franz is very good at tracking down obscure accessories.
The thing I like most about Mrs Rotary is every time we hear her she always sounds like she's on the verge of bursting out laughing. I won't lie, it makes me smile. 👍
And yes, I'm sure much of it is because Mark is a master at taking the piss 😂
Hi Vince, you need a good sense of humor to put up with me :)
@@RotarySMP Hahaha. Indeed!
Every time I’m shown a versatile grinding machine, I get a case of grinder envy. 😏 Thanks for the tour RSMP!
Hi Doric, This one really is a lovely machine. And Franz really knows how to set it up and use it properly.
That TOS tool and cutter grinder is a complete work of art! The accessories available are so numerous. That lot must be worth a fortune to someone that craves having all that iron lol Thank you for showing this amazingly versatile machine!
I hate to think what that all cost when it was new. Franz made a really nice job of the overhaul, and really knows how to use it. He also has a talent for running down all the accessories.
Here in Sweden advent candle holders have 4 spots. We put all four candles in, but we only light one light the first advent, two of them the second, and so on.
You could just tell her you are making a Swedish advent candle holder! How exotic!
That’s how i’ve always seen them here in the US, I didn’t even know there was another way to do it.
I provided two more ways, but only one met the romantic standard required :)
@@RotarySMP No matter how you slice it, you just can't "efficiency" romance.
@@NightsReign Yeah, she lacks understanding :)
I have a 1971 Stankoimport T&C which is fully equipped but this TOS is pure Machine Porn. Love the multi Swivel Head. What I did with the original outlets on my machine was to replace them with the latest Australian Standard Sockets and Plugs including the rubber Leads. Much safer now and was a easy change over.
Franz's TOS really is a dream machine. Nice that he has collected most accessories, and know how to get the best out of them.
some stankoimport machine are copy's of tos some are completely different i have a tos milling machine made in the 60's but when i was an apprentice we had a stanko probably built in the 80's it had big square buttons black red then black for each axis but mounted to the saddle the electric cabinet was small and mounted on the machine the main machine casting was almost identical my tos is also electronically controlled via a pendant with push button, rotary and toggle switches there is a electronics cabinet nearly the size of the mill that also has a punch tape reader on the side not sure what all the symbols mean i have no owners or operators books any info in English would be amazing but iv managed to make do with the the soviet unsure if the actual language that came with my stanko 16k2o lathe
the problem with Australian Standard is more than i feel like getting in to i would be inclined to look for a mil spec conector be it amphenol , Deutz connector or another manufacturer
I had to watch in segments and clean up drool in between.......super nice grinder!
It really is, especially since Franz's overhaul.
You have a real cool friend there.👍
Hi Ken, I do, Franz is a really cool guy. He has an amazing collection of machines, and really knows how to use them.
I wish I would have 360-360-350=1070 degrees of flexibilty! :)
Yeah, don't we all. Or even the flexibility I had in the 1980's :)
Well done 👍
Thanks Paul.
Love the Ziggy Stardust Adventkalender!
So does she. Bowie was a genius.
It's impressive how smooth and quiet the machine is , and It makes you understand why insert tooling was instantly adopted when available.
The professional CSA compliance part of my brain has been badly triggered by the 2 different strain reliefs not being in place 😁.
(Canadian Standards Association electrical code treats strain reliefs, fusing, and grounding as if it's life or death, or at least a big fire)
Hi Steve,
At which points in the video was that? I'll tell Franz.
@@RotarySMPThe pump power lead at 5:00 and the grinder motor at 6:31.
4:30 on the grind head motor and 4:59 on the hydraulic motor
I actually did do CSA/OPG compliance corrections on the various Japanese machines that we imported into Canada.
the CSA standard is very strict on safety (its actually very common sense)
Interestingly, when the Japanese manufactures started doing CE certification at factory, we didn't have to do anything more.
Apparently that part of the CE code was largely just adopted from the relevent CSA standard.
(OPG was the electricity supplier in Ontario and they did in provence certification)
Again what a lovely machine and SO many accessories to collect.
@@steveggca I had a call with Franz, and he said those two items are on the top of his to-do list.
@@RotarySMP 👍
A very nice machine, and a hell of a lot of accessories... Like damn, that grinder really is decked out to serve as a universal precision machine... You could do virtually any grinding setup with some combination of parts... Pretty much the exact opposite of a cnc machine which relies on black magic to move as you need it, this one relies on 500kg of complementary castings and your skill to do the job... Quite a pleasure to behold such a versatile machine...
Warm regards!
Steuss
Hi Steuss. Yep, and Franz has the knowledge and talent to really use a machine like that.
@@RotarySMP
It`s great seeing machinery in the hands of those who appreciate them and are worthy of being a caretaker... They may be tools, but they are like living beings almost, in that they need shelter, resources, care, ``medical checkups and operations`` and so on... But in the right hands, they can outlast 10 generations of operators like it`s not even hard...
Ah yes, SEZ Dolný Kubín, 380V sockets are spread all around Czechoslovakia in old sheds, powering various tools :) You might find them sometimes on online bazaars. Other connector is also SEZ as seen from video but can't say exact type.
Thanks for identifying those connectors.
Other one is MEZ, but there were like eight companies under that name, so it might be more complicated to find. Friend suggested to ask company TENEO.
The SEZ still exist as manufacturer of the electrical equipment. And they still make this kind of plugs ( the second one mentioned in video ) The inner contact base is same with the 3 phase 400V 4 pole red plugs we know. There is just added locking colar for industrial use. The 63A variant is still looking very same. 16A (I belive in the video) and 32A variants are avaliable in modernised design. Cover is then spring loaded as on normal 400V plug, but with the colar on it. Or they can be just replaced with normal plugs with spring loaded without the locking collar. Sadly SEZ Eshop is only in Czech it seems. Are you interested in these? I can help with buyng and shipping them.
I have just found 12pcs of the 16A 4 pole SEZ sockets on one of the bazar servers. Seller clains it is NOS from army surplus and they look brand new! If the ones on the machine are 16A that will be 100% the same socket. Are you interested?
@@soucevit Found probably exactly same offer (site starting with A?), already shared with guys :)
Very nice grinder. I’m jealous
It really is a top machine, with all the accessories, and he really knows how to use it.
3m is a brand that still lives up to it's name
I haven't use any of the tape yet, but hear good things about its tenacity.
@RotarySMP You'll love it.
We went with TESA. Still not happy about that.
You mean "Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company"?
@@RotarySMP Just start taping random stuff in the house, like the candle holder to the table, so you can see it in action. Btw. the other soft tape is for automotive cable harnesses in high-vibration environments.
@@graealex Thanks Alex. I was wondering about that second tape. It looks like racquet grip tape.
Good joke on the first Advent calendar 😁
Thanks Ben :)
Thank you Alex!
Thanks for the comment of support for Alex.
That threading head is what used to call a Coventry Die Head, and we had manual, fixed heads that you had to manually cock yourself that we used on our Capstan lathes and spring-loaded self cocking versions that we used on our BSA Cam Autos 👍
Nice production tools. I guess slow to set up, but really fast in use.
I have something just like that from who knows where, didn't know what it was!
@@RotarySMP Setting up the die head was actually pretty fast and simple, setting those old Cam Autos was another thing altogether, it could take a day or more to set one, so you need to be doing long runs to justify it. We used to knock out a 1/4 BSP plug in 6 seconds, and that wasn't even with a dedicated cam. 👍
That thing was beautiful
It really is an amazing tool, especially in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly like Franz.
I saw the headline and thought you got a new toy!!
I wish, but I really wouldn't have space for it.
The binary candle holder was just fine.
Thanks Olivier :)
Nice video, great mix of topics with the grinder as the main piece to hook us all in. Cheers for the Monday morning entertainment Mark.
Thanks for your kind feedback Steven.
is it 3am again? woot!
Hi Mike. Here it is lunch time. Thanks for staying up.
@@RotarySMP I enjoyed the binary candle holder... thx for posting the video!
@@MikelNaUsaCom Glad you enjoyed it.
Cool grinder. Your wife is very patient with you
I showed her you comment. She agrees ;)
good video RotaySMP
Thanks for the feedback.
Most excellent.
Thanks for the kind feedback.
Thank you! Good info and nice haul!
Thanks for watching!
Great video as always Mark, thank you for uploading!👍👍
Thanks for your kind feedback.
My OCD really kicked in while you were showing Frans grinder tooling. He really needs to paint them the same color as the grinder. They will be more accurate that way.
I'll tell him :)
Very nice Tos tool and cutter grinder. The excellent paint job make it look like a Jones & Shipman 😊
There is a resemblance for sure.
3 years ago i brought russian tool grinder with 3 tons accessories. Now i know some of them are TOS.
In fact i got that big dril sharpener.
There is also a special accessory for very fast releaf grinding of drillbits,reamers,taps and other things.
That sounds like a nice haul you got there.
@@RotarySMP yup,thanks for the videos.Very interesting.
Yep I’m officially jealous
I feel like that each time I visit his shop :)
Great to see that the machine is being put to good use. My wife and I wired the remote control with Franz - Franz was actually supposed to do the labeling 😀
Hi Alex, Franz has mentioned you often. He appreciates your assistance.
Same here.
We should meet up - maybe Christmas time is an idea - hot 🍷 😊
It’s a veritable TOS Surface Grinder Festival
Thanks for watching it.
A coworker has a binary clock on his desk... drives most people mad.
Yeah, not easy to read without practice.
The Accessories-Connectors on the TOS cylindrical grinder look like they could be normal 4 pole CEE-connectors. Something along the lines of 4p 16A 6h-coded with bayonet-lock. These are easily available and if they are not the ones fitted rn they would be a perfect replacement.
As for the old circular connector of the rotary attachment of the tool grinder, I’m not sure if you can get these anymore. Maybe as NOS from a Service company. Some of them working with TOS Machines are still around. We still run a TOS-Kurim CNC-Mill at work and have changed the broken connectors to more modern Harting-connectors when it became necessary.
Yeah, that might be the best move, to modernise them.
The Herbert grinding attachment looks like one I have for grinding Coventry Die head dies 😀 man Frans has all the toys 🤣
Hi Julia. He really has an amazing tooling collection, and also knows how to use it all.
10:20 das sieht wie eine ganz „normale“ CEE Steckdose aus. Die Farbe des Steckers gibt die Spannung an. Dann hast du die Anzahl der Pole und die Position des PE und noch die Stromstärke. Zusammengefasst am Beispiel eines haushaltsüblichen CEE Steckers Rot (230/400V 50HZ) 16A 5P 6h. Die Stecker im Video sind auch noch Schutzklasse IP67, erkennbar am Überwurf.
Guck mal die IEC60309 bzw. IEC309 an, da steht das drin.
Thanks for the tip.
The only magic box that was ever opened near Indiana Jones was the Ark of the Covenant, which relased malevolent spirits that killed a whole bunch of people. I hope grinder attachments can't do that.
I was wondering when I edited that whether I totally screwed up which movie I should be referencing. Thanks for confirming that :)
That thing is incredible!!
It really is. With all the accesories there is really nothing your cant do on it.
The three phase plug looks like the standard one still in common use throughout Australia.
It is similar to the standard ones here as well, but the pins are much smaller.
Mark, I can’t stop laughing over the binary candle holder 😂😂😂😂😂. She said “do what you want”. (Was she in on the joke before the demo?)
Sort of, it was hard to introduce this without her suspecting something was up :)
I can see why he put some of it out in the barn. If he had that mush cast iron in a compact space he might have ended up attracting some natural satellites ;-)
Good call Dennis. He has a pretty impressive collection of old iron.
Thanks for the tour!!
I hope they answered your question. How many of these accessories do you have for your BN102C?
@@RotarySMP Quite a few, circular grinding, both internal and external, radius grinding and numerous Morse type heads and a multi position vice. There’s only one I haven’t managed to work out what it is.. always learning! Thanks again!
@@RotarySMP But mine has no hydraulics or the electric head lift.. I’ll try and send some pics.
that big 3 phase socket is a normal 4 pin 3 phase socket you can get basically anywhere in slovakia but I am not sure you can get them with that locking ring as nowdays they all have that tab that that catches the lid of the plug
most modern machines use the 5 pin socket which has a neutral and a ground instead of just the ground and the 3 phases ofc
the small one I don't think are made anymore but could be wrong
Thanks for that.
That TOS set was beautiful. I was thinking of a binary advent candle holder, just not to THAT extreme.
We are the new romantics :)
Oha with 10 candles that is a lot of romantics going on, good luck to you
:)
I always wonder how you are going to level up as a hobby machinist. It seems like a mix of industrial restoration and whatever will fit in your basement. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Craig. I wish I had space for this machine.
Technical question here: do you light all 1+2+3+4=10 candles in week 4? That's a lot of romantic going on here! Can you handle that much? :D
I'll ask the boss :)
I have a drool problem. We have been working this week an an old engine valve grinding station. Most of it went in the bin. but the cabinet and the driven valve holder has been repurposed as an attachment for my tool and cutter grinder. About the same size as the Toss. We now have a high speed y axis and driven collet holder. And i now have to find some tissues
Hi John, Yeah, I get tool envy everytime I vist Franz. It is not only the amazing collection of machines, but that he knows how to use them all with fantastic workmanship.
I'm really admiring that Ziggy Stardust cross-stitch on your wall. Did you or your partner make it, or is it store-bought?
I now have to rewind, a lot, because I missed everything after noticing the artwork. LMAO
It is an advent calender from the 1970's or 1980's, which someone found and gifted to my wife this Xmas.
A plastic sortiment box, with a picture glued over it.
@@RotarySMP What a wonderfully kitschy gift, precision tailored for her (I trust your wife is also a David Bowie fan?)
Then again, could be some kind of arte nouveau, and she's never even heard of Bowie? 😂
@@NightsReign Major Bowie fan. :)
Grate video as always! that tool and cutter grinder is welled tooled up I want one now
It is a beautiful machine, and Franz has overhauled it so nicely.
@@RotarySMP it ended up in a good home
@@LCalleja It really did. T&C grinders really shine with their accessories. If you do buy one, it is worth saving up for one with lots of acessories with it.
@@RotarySMP better not get one for now. Too many tools to sharpen :)
@@LCalleja Franz has about a zillion cutters spread through tons of drawers and shelves. They are all perfectly ground.
Those connectors look a little tiny bit like a variation of commando sockets.
As far as I am aware, the socket design is unrelated to the wearing or not of underwear, but you might care to carefully Google using that word...
:) I bet.
Well thanks for that Mark. I was looking for a No2 Clarkson grinder and now I'm not. Where the heck am I going to find a TOS with all the accessories in the UK?
Well merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Hi Bill. You can get a lot of good work done with a Clarkson as well, and they are more compact.
These connectors look similar to the russian 2pm18, but different nose and spacing of the pins as far as i can see. Its not a finow connector either, on czech stuff i have no possibilty to look up connectors. If you cant find any, take a look at the russian 2pm18-4 connectors, look similar at least and you can import them via china.
Nice grinder and accessoirs, cool video 😎
Thanks for the feedback on that.
There were many "army" connectors from Russia, I know that ŠR exists but only catalog I found mentions they used more pins than just four.
Binary is not romantic? Tsk… (This comment just for Uncle Algo!)
:)
Now I'm not saying I'd have lopped off two holes worth of Douglas track and offered that up as an even _more_ efficient binary advent calendar, but those candles did look to be just about the right size... 😅
Also not very romantic Jim :)
Can I send Franz my Ice-skate steels? I think he'll be able to make me as fast as McDavid!
I am surprised the Czechs didn't have a skate sharpening attachment, at least for hockey shoes.
@@RotarySMP I'm sure there were some home made ones :)
I thought we were going to witness a murder 😂😂
Then there would have been no video :)
Nice video 👍 I have a similar TOS BU28 cylindrical grinder - just wondering if you know how Franz has leveled it? The manual calls for it to be grouted to the floor but I'm not particularly fond of that idea...
I'll ask him to answer that.
most TOS machines are grouted in place which I guess makes them a LOT let susceptible to movement from vibrations and potentially moving the whole machine out of alignment
all the mills, lathes, grinders and floor standing drills (TOS VS 32 is the best column drill I've ever used) we have at school are grouted
I don't exactly like the idea but that's how it was done in the old days here
@@Cjarka_ I dont think Franz has grouted either the cylindrical or the tool grinder, but he also doesnt work his machines to the extremes of part size and cutting force.
Content promoting comment 👍
Excellent , thanks for that.
No CNC engraving on the candle holders?
Hi Rob. Wasn't required, and I had too many other things to get on with this week :)
I have an earlier model without the hydraulic table and the plain wheel head. It has to be repowered so a mod to this style is coming on. BC
They are an incredibly versatile machine aren't they.
This machine is very much like a highly developed cincinnati no.2 t&c grinder. It might even be that the cinci accessories fit. The basiccdesign is very similar, to the extent the tos might be a copy.
Hi Ian, I was also wondering if there was a relationship with Cincinatti T&C grinders?
@@RotarySMP the head is much more complex, but the base, column etc look exactly the same, jusy the cinci has no auto feeds..
Cincinnati made best manual tool and cutter grindees
Watch for this weeks video. ;)
That regulator that attaches to the large soda stream bottle is interesting. I have a small mig welder with no bottle and would like to use gas and that set-up would be worth me looking into as I already have the large bottle. Do you have anymore information about the regulator or the fitting/interface type to the soda stream bottle?
There was no more information in the box, than the logo on the regulator. I will ask Alex about it.
@@RotarySMP I didn't know such a regulator existed but did a Google search and found it available here in NZ for around $70. Thanks for the reply and have to say that I really enjoy the content that you publish, top notch. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
@@vandyFixer That is way too much, I paid $40 for both the adapter and regulator together.
@@graealex Is that in NZ$? 40 euro = 70NZD and 40USD is about 64NZD. Cheers.
@@vandyFixer Yes, in NZD that's reasonable.
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Welcome
Wait; romantic is supposed to be a factor? I'm screwed, or not, I guess..:/
:)
You do know it it illegal for a person who does metalworking to do woodworking to. Do you want the chef to clean the toilet at the same time he is cooking your food... :D :D :D
Good point :)
Live stream, he said? Can’t see the email or a note in Patreon (but then again sadly the Patreon App is pathetic. Needs some engineering input…)
That is not good. I uploaded the Patreon notification on 03.Dec. I never know whether it is better to send a reminder just before streaming, or if that would just annoy people as spamming.
@@RotarySMPCan’t speak for others but I am always glad for a reminder! No worries, I’ll catch up!
Thanks for letting my know about that.
Pronounced "tosh" BTW
Oh, thanks for that Murray.
Mark got the pronunciation exactly right (at least at 4:29). For curious - it is abbreviation of Továrny obráběcích strojů - machining tools works/factories of machining tools
Yawn!
Sorry to bore you.