5 Trains (That Are Not What They Seem) 🚂 History in the Dark 🚂
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- Sometimes trains surprise us. They look familiar, like something else we know and are used to, and yet turn out to be something entirely different. These are 5 locomotives that fit into this catagory.
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"amd i am your host, Darkness the curse". British rail: I AM THE REAL CURSE HERE U LITTLE.....
If you keep pouting locomotives from british railways then we will give you 10 bullets to the fases
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Toby and his class aren't an anomaly.
Apart from their 0-4-0 cousins also made by the GER and later absorbed into the LNER, a lot of American streetcar lines (including in my hometown) used "steam dummies" pulling a carriage to transport people within cities. Problem with these things included that they polluted a lot and, while they took the appearance of regular streetcars, the sound probably still spooked many horses. We did away with them when we figured out electric traction.
The Sydney tramway system here in Australia also used these steam dummies (built mostly by Baldwin) which were introduced from 1879 onwards. The last of these were only withdrawn from passenger service in 1942. These units saw further industrial and logging use. Several have been preserved with 103A still in running order.
The Newcastle and Bendigo systems also used these steam dummies. In Australian parlance, they were all known as ‘motors’.
The G15 aka LNER Y6
In this list you could have had the British GT3, a gas turbine that looked like a steam engine, or the Bulleid Leader, a steamer that looked like a diesel.
Yes, I saw videos of both of them. GT 3 was really elegant and the diesel-looking steamer was built in 5 prototypes if I remember well.
@@trashtrainpunk1542 the leader could have been great, if they’d gone with oil fired power and refined the chain drive. The tractive effort would have been ridiculous
The GT3 did have the chassis of a steam locomotive in it's defense
05:05
North of the Island, there lives a dear old train...
I was drawing a j 70 at school then someone said “is that a house” and then once I drew the rollingstock behind it he’s like “oh it’s a train.”
"Is it electric?"
"HOOSH!"
"You've offended him!"
Poor Toby.
In the Railway Series cannon, (the book series Thomas originates from), Toby is said to be the only surviving member of his class of engine.
Sad, but true. And unfortunately, the plans for the live steam Toby replica were shunted aside. There’s still hope for it, but it’ll take a miracle to continue the project.
Yes. Toby has a br number 68221.
@@AndrewHager02 if I ever win big on the Lottery I’ll fund that
Hey Darkness! The GE Steam turbines are really GE Steam Turbine Electrics Locomotives, Henceforth they have a Boiler that heats water into steam then the steam in pushed through a turbine. The turbine is connected to a electric generator. The electric generator powers the traction motors on the drive axles.
This is why the GE locomotives do not have driving rods and why they are car-bodies. Another example of these kinds of locos is the C&O M1 turbine.
GER C53s used to run on the branch line that ran through the village I live in. When GER was taken over by LNER they were called Class J70. The Reverend Awdrey lived in a village not far away and apparently used many of the happening (mishaps) on GER as the basis for his stories.
czcams.com/video/fSJ3fKI5--4/video.html
If you make a part 2, you HAVE to talk about fireless engines! ;)
Hooray! You covered the Steam-Diesel hybrid that I recommended a couple of times. I was worried that it came off as too annoying to consider.
So us brits came up with 3 things....
The Deltic proto is the least off on this list... Since it's just the engine being an odd thing by having an odd way for the pistons....
Also fun fact.
Shildon is very close to the first passenger railway.
Aka the Stockton & darlington railway. Tees valley became from being the inventer of the railway to being well forgotten with the durham coast line and tees valley line having not very good schedules And atleast 3 separate depots Darlington, Hartlepool and Thornaby being demolished.
Though Thornaby was the last to go with it only being demolished in the 2010's and the tracks remain to this day.
J70's haft to be the best steam engines with forward cabs, Perfect visibility. Also they had bells instead of whistles because of them being tram engines, Due to them being near roads that at the time had horses on them they couldn't use whistles incase the horses get spooked so bells were used instead to great effect.
And the Hybrid.... That thing is just odd...
Interesting but odd since eventually the diesel mainline and shunter prototypes will come from the LMS aka 10000 and 10001 along with a gronk.
I wonder if it would be easy to make a class c53 replica, i mean you would just have to make a boiler, pistons wheels and all other metal parts and then you can get the wood for everything else, i do wish someone makes a replica of this baby.
I'd be interested in seeing content about 15-inch railroads. Most of these, of course, are built as tourist attractions or amusement park rides, but that wasn't always the case. Many were meant for practical purposes just like full-size trains. One example I've heard a lot about would be the Romney, Hythe, and Dymchurch Railway in Kent, England.
Was that the type with the prefabricated track? I can't remember the name right now, but it was very popular all over the world. It was designed for temporary installation but used extensively for permanent ways too.
The RH&DR also had its own scaled-down armoured train for defending the coast during WW2! Cutest little thing ever 🤩
The Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway ("Railroad" for all of you who are not from UK) in the English Lake District is also 15" gauge. Nowadays it is a very successful tourist line, but it was originally a slightly larger gauge & used for transporting stone etc to the port. The Romney, Hythe & Dymchurch & the Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway work together (although geographically 200 miles apart!) by loco exchanges & shared engineering facilities. Both (& other miniature railways in UK) are *well* worth visiting. You'll not be disappointed!
I have few Locomotives you should put in your vids. First one is the Montreal Locomotive works M420 and the RS-18u for best locomotives. They were well known locomotives operating in eastern Canada. For worst trains is the Alstom Citadis Spirit which suffered alot of problems when OC transpo was operating them in Ottawa Ontario they constantly derailed alot and their electronics kept malfunctioning 80% of the time.
If you continue this series, I have a suggestion: The LMS Turbomotive
Is It eLeCtRiC?? as soon as that was said, i thought about the following clip after it. love it. Great job.
You missed the key feature of the General Electric steam turbine at 6:40.
That is they were steam turbines with electric drive motors like diesel electrics. The steam turbine driving an electric generator then provided with electric control of the bogie mounted electric motors like all diesel electrics.
The electric part was why General Electric designed these. They had near fifty years of steam turbine electricity experience. But in the less restricted confines of power stations.
The Deltic engine has an interesting history. In the 1930s Napier Motors bought a license from the German company Junkers Motoren for an opposed-piston two-stroke diesel aircraft engine that Junkers was making, used mainly by Blohm & Voss in a flying boat for coastal patrol. Napier, which became part of English Electric, realised that it was possible to make a development of this with three crankshafts and three cylinder banks and get correct port timing by running two of the crankshafts in one direction and the other in the other direction.
The Anson Engine Museum near Stockport has a cutaway exhibition Deltic engine. It's the most fearsomely complicated-looking beast, so credit to Napier for making it such a reliable power unit.
The styling of the Deltic prototype* was meant to appeal to overseas buyers particularly in North America. The engines she carries now are wooden mock-ups. The engine was originally developed for use in light fast patrol boats (55022 Royal Scots Grey used one salvaged from a Norwegian navy vessel) while some were used by the New York fire department to drive water pumps. Of those four were purchased and brought back to Britain by someone to use with preserved Deltics where they languish due to a stipulation that the first be used to get the prototype running which is unlikely due to other issues.
*She was never officially known as DP1 though there was a DP2 (Deltic Prototype 2) which is probably where the name comes from. DP2 might be an entry in another not what they seem video- she was a Class 55 body built around another more conventional English Electric engine for use as a pretty successful test bed. The engine was the type that was eventually used in the Class 50.
Since you have a taste for weird hybrids you might like to look into the steam-turbine/electric locomotive built by Armstrong Whitworth for the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway. Yes she used a steam turbine to generate electricity which drove two six-coupled wheelsets and was unreliable, overweight, under-powered and went through coal like there was no tomorrow. She failed to impress the "Lanky" who sent her back to Newcastle.
History in the Dark, if you decide to do a follow up to this list, may I suggest the Commonwealth Railways CL class? I suggest these for ‘not as they seem’ since they look like classic E units. They most definitely are not!
Built between 1970 and 1972, mechanically they are SD40-2 units but have EMD car bodies and the classic bulldog nose. Infact, CL17 was the last EMD bulldog nose built anywhere in the world. 17 were built and they were rebuilt as the CLP and CLF classes in 1993 (P units being set up with HEP for passenger service, F for freight). A couple have been scrapped but most are still in revenue service while CL17 itself (rebuilt as CLP10) is being restored to original CL condition by Streamliners Australia at the moment.
Also mistaken for E units are the VR S class and B class. Commonwealth Railways GM classes and NSW 42 and 421 classes. All these have F unit mechanicals but six wheel trucks with mostly all axles powered.
About the deltic engine, it was also an opposed cylinder engine, off the top of my head it was the most powerful loco in the world when built due to the engine (and they were derated for long service life)
yes the class 55s were the most powerful diesel locomotives in the world when they were introduced and while BR could have used a single turbosupercharged engine (deltic engines went up to 4000 horsepower) they opted for two less powerful non-turbocharged engines for the sake of less engine stress and therefore higher reliability, plus redundancy as if one engine failed the loco would still have 1650 HP to finnish its journey
When the J70 came up, I just thought "Please don't ask if it's electric" lmao
The only reason I was able to tell the first locomotive was British was because I could see a tail lamp on the locomotive which aren’t used in america
Well, the original TGV was gas-turbine powered, so it would be a good choice for a second of these lists.
The Prussian railways also managed to build a steam locomotive with a streamlined cab on either end (the first T16, called Erfurt 1980), and even though it is from 1904 it looks like a dieselpunk 1950s Frankenstein. It's a 4-6-4 tank engine, but doesn't look like any other steam engine, and appears to have the cabs from an early electric mixed with 1930s streamlining, the trailing bogies fron a Baldwin diesel and a whaleback ship design for the space between the cabs. The coal bunkers are contained within the cab's streamlining. It had four cylinders (because obviously it wasn't complicated enough), a top speed of over 50 mph in either direction, and needed a three man crew. I don't know what they were smoking back then, but whatever it was, it must have been very strong. They literally went "why settle for a simple cab-forward locomotive when we can go cab-forward in both directions".
Interestingly, even though it was quickly scrapped, its mechanical design served as the inspiration for the very successful T18, the very same class from your "crashing though the Berlin Wall" video.
That thing looks strange! It's great! XD
This was great. Thanks for sharing!
Ah that little trams the LNER J70 I think based off of Toby the tram engine of the NWR
it's other way round.
Also the J70's were based off the original Great Eastern version.
@@davidty2006 the Y6
The Deltic was absolutely MAGNIFICENT. Probably the best main line diesel ever built in Britain.
Yes and the Deltics were one of the best locos built by English Electric used on the east coast main line out of kings cross.they replaced the A4 pacifics and reduced timing on the London Edinburgh expresses.
Edit: There's also the EMD SW1001s that got sent to the UK. Used as big diesel shunters. Led to the Class 59s, which led to the 66s. I mean a barely modified SW1001. The main modifications were the buffers and UK couplings. Not built to the UK's gauge, so if they went out of the yard... Bad. One did and met a tunnel, tunnel won.
SR Leader and the BR GT3 would fit here.
First is a steam loco that looks like a Co-Co diesel.
Second is a kerosene powered loco that looks like a 4-6-0 steam loco. Even has a fuel tender.
Yes, the GT3 was actually a gas turbine engine, but the Leader was a "conventional" steam loco that looked anything but.
@@rogerking7258
And on steam turbines
The LNER inherited one from the NBR. A 4-4-0+0-4-4 one. The Reid-MacLeod Steam Turbine Locomotive.
The LMS also had a ljungström steam turbine locomotive trialled on their rails. I think this would count as a 4-2-2-2-6-4.
A non-turbine candidate would be the LNER Class C9. A 4-4-2 with a booster engine installed, replacing the trailing axle and the first tender axle. Could be called a 4-4-4-4T or a 4-4-0 with a funky tender, depending on how you see it.
An oil fired SR Leader, removing the need for a fireman stuck in the middle, would have improved things a lot
"tunnel won" 💀
Hi.
In the UK The "tram" locomotives were generally used was called the J4 .but!!!
A lot of the early tramway systems (streetcar) in the US ran this type of loco hauling double deck passenger trailers
Fantastic work!
4:55 Toby is the first character in _The Railway Series_ to be an actual engine that existed in real life, as he is the C53 (GER 127, then BR 68221) that the author of those books, the Reverend Wilbert Awdry, rode in with his children while on vacation-excuse me, _holiday,_ with his family in Great Yarmouth. Sadly, because we do not live in the best timeline and thus there’s no island wedged between the Isle of Man and England, No. 68221 was taken behind the shed and put down in 1951.
Later real life engines to appear in the books would be GWR’s _City of Truro,_ LNER’s _Flying Scotsman,_ and LB&SCR’s _Stepney._
Love those 1938 GE steam turbines. That whole UP turbine era is a story in itself, Those 2 engines were the UP & GEs first turbine collaboration.
For the kitson still it used waste heat from the diesel to maintain steam as well thereby being more efficient than just diesel or steam.
I’ve seen the DP1 in real life, for a BR diesel it’s strangely elegant
partly that'll be because it existed before the requirement of bright yellow ends on British locomotives and multiple units for reasons of letting trackworkers see them coming
Don’t use a thumbnail like that.
@@ShinGhidorah17 what?
Another strange German train was the Rail Zeplin and was actually driven by a propeller. This train didn't see much use as it couldn't pull any rolling stock and propeller was a safety hazard. It was eventually scrapped for the war effort during WW2.
I'm surprised that you didn't include the GT3, or the fact that early on in life the GWR actually put square casings over their engines so the passengers wouldn't be worried about the fact that an engine is in the middle of the train
“Oldies but Goldies.”
Hey History in the dark, try out the LSWR C14! you will love that!
We don't do double ended cabs most of the time because we very very rarely run trains that only require one locomotive and it just makes more sense to hook 2 diesels up back to back.
Subscriiibed! Greetings from Ulm, Germany!
The Union Pacific Steam Turbines are like narrow and minature diesel locomotives with a steam outline but reversed and standard gauge.
DP1 is usually at Shildon or York Railway Museum
I wonder how good a steam turbine locomotive would be nowadays, because it appears that most of the problem of the S2, M1, and the General Electric steam turbine was that they were to advance for their times.
Don't forget the C&O M1 steam turbine
@@Elliottblancher Thank you.
They wouldn't work, there was a few British designs that was considered impractical due to the volume of the locomotives. Its like a jet terbine on rails.
@@megablasternation769 jet trains have worked before like the NYC RDC that was fitted with two jet engines
@@megablasternation769 yeah I knew that was the other problem I was just thinking about using the for like a ( relative) high speed express train. Not standard freight or passenger lines
very interesting!
The Class 55...
The superb Deltic plus 6...
Also to get a feeling for Class 55...
Watch the opening credits of
'Get Carter'
The original Michael Caine one
You don't actually see the Loco
But you get amazing cab wind shield view at speed (100mph)
Semaphore signalling
And Mk 2 trailer cars and diner
The last one, the German Diesel Pneumatic relied on the Diesel engine running a massive air compressor to provide compressed air to move the cylinders. The heat part of it only played a minor part of the process as heat is hard to control but compressed air is not. Still inefficient but more flexible than gearboxes and clutches used then.
As I understand it from years ago when I first came across this principle.
I can tell a weird little locomotive, you wouldn't tell what it is by the first look, from my country, marked the V50.
The EE Deltic was not DP1. The DP 1 was used as a forerunner for the class 50. It used a body from the production of the deltics.
That's DP2 I think
2:28 Speaking as a Brit... MUAHAHAHAHA! :D
The Kitson-Stihl engine is totally new to me. It's cool! ^.^
Ohhh, deisel-pneumatic! Yeah, I can see that working. I have, in the dim and distant past, wondered why they didn't make pneumatic piston engines. So now I guess I have my answer: they did.
How could you forget the Bullied "Leader" Class? These were a class of 0-6-6-0T steam locomotives to a double-cab design to make them look like diesel locomotives, and were designed by Oliver Bullied of the Southern Railway in England; although there were not built until 1949 by (and whisper this) British Railways (the Big Four railway companies in the UK - the LMSR; LNER; GWR and SR - having been nationalised the previous year). Of the five locomotives planned, construction was only commenced on three, whilst only the first one was ever operated on test.
02:31
Did you forget about me, Dark?
I didn't know this Kitson steam/diesel hybrid, very curious.
You mentioned that the GE steam turbine locomotives were also tested by the Great Northern Railway, but I think you pointed into the direction of the Great Northern Railroad, as the first one is a British company and one of the companies which formed the LNER, those GE locomotives would annihilate British railway track. and foremost all lineside structures.
No.... no he's correct; some American railroads called themselves "So-and-So Railway" rather than "Such-and-Such Railroad"; the American GNR was one such company.
The Great Northern was one of many US railroads that were officially Railways in their title.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Railway_(U.S.)
Even today two of the largest US systems are Railways.
Even many Americans are not aware of this
@@johnd8892 I wasn't aware of this fact, there is only the Niles Canyon Railway tourist line which I knew with railway in the tittle which I knew.
@@Tom-Lahaye look up the website of the BNSF railway and the Norfolk Southern railway for a start. Then the constituent companies of these.
If you do another video like this add the N&W Steam Turbine Dawn Henry
One anomaly that I would like to see here on this channel ond day is the NOHAB M61
Have y’all made any videos on cog ⚙️ railroads??
Hey, history in the dark. Can you do a video on the Laurinburg and Southern railroad and please have diesel locomotive #131 which was painted in a light blue and was the only light blue Locomotive in Laurinburg and Southern railroad because I just wanna figure out the mystery
I have a suggestion for a video, successful Narrow Gauge locomotives and conversely unsuccessful narrow gauge locomotives, there are many, many narrow gauge railways around the world, not least in the UK (only 2 of which were owned by BR after 1948, the Llanfair Light Railway and the Vale of Rheidhol Railway, both formerly being owned by the Great Western Railway.) The very first true narrow gauge locomotives were built for the Ffestiniog Railway in North Wales (a 2ft nominal line built to carry slate from Blaenau Ffestiniog to the harbour at Porthmadog) with 4 0-4-0 tank+tender locos being built by George England and Sons of London in 1863, 3 of which still survive with 2 still in working condition (Prince and Palmerston) with the other cosmetically restored (Princess, FR number 1) The Ffestiniog Railway was also the first railway to successfully use Bogie locomotives (the Double and Single Fairlie type) AND Bogie Carriages.
Hey do a video on the DB Eurotrain Duplex. Pulling those bi level coaches on Jacob bogies
Can you do more of this kind of video
You should have the Great Western Railway number 92 steam coach.
5:14 that’s toby without the face
Could you please talk about the BR class 390 pendolino?
I feel like such a nerd for knowing all of those except the last one lol
I don't understand why the Deltic was included under "things that are not what they seem". It looked like a diesel, and I can tell you from personal experience that it sounded and smelled like a diesel.
i got the first 3 right off the bat lol
you should have added the Ace 3000
Is it electric?
TOBY TRIGGERED!!!
YES!!! YES!!! YESSSS!!!!! The classics always win!
If you next more turbines
Then you should go to the 1744, 71, 72 and 73 because they were good turbines
You need to show the entire picture. With it zoomed in an planning, makes it hard to see what it even is.
Sir, do you need me to go have a little chat with British Rail so they don’t torture you anymore?
For a widespread series of locomotives that are not what they seem the choice would be all Australian streamliner cab EMD locomotives. The GM,B, S, 42, 421 CL,CLP and CLF classes.
When some see them they think they are E unit variation, but they are all F units on six axle all powered SD type trucks. All except the CL types which were SD40 based but given nicer streamlined car bodies. The last locomotives built in the world with the genuine EMD streamlined cab.
No E units in Australia.,
You forgot the CNR 9000 armored train!
Can you please make a video about the Soham rail disaster in England
Transformers!!!
I'm going to look up the heavy metal version of that theme now
what about the strangest trains of the PRR?
At 8:46 this is a steam-diesel locomotive from the British railways I also forgot the class name but who cares? The boiler was raised up for the little diesel engine underneath right now this guy has smoke deflectors (or what I think are smoke deflectors) and the Diesel engine kinda looks like 2 cylinders on one flywheel and it was really expensive to get fuel because it had to use diesel fuel and coal. I’m done
I saw the deltic sign and pless I saw the head lamp design soo I knew it was BR
American units dont have two cabs cause of cost in maintaining the second cab. Cheaper to have one
Maybe do “The 5 Worst Trains BRITISH RAIL EDITION”
If he did that that the stress would cause him a stroke
Steam tram engines is not that uncommon. While that model was just produced inna few examples, there where many diffrent models
TOBYY DEAR TOBEYYY
Why dose this man hate british railways, it just feels like he hates it for no reason
And what about the
C&O's Steam Turbo Electric Locomotive
#500 , #501 , #502 ???????????
How about this one ..... Austria built some strange looking locomotives but were years ahead of their time. The 1082.01 locomotive built by the BBO in 1930 looked very much like a steam type but that "boiler" actually housed a rotating 3-phase AC to DC rectifier. Single phase AC current was drawn from the overhead and 3 phased before being rectified to DC for the three DC traction motors on the middle three (of five) driving axles. Tests were promising. In 1938 Austria was annexed and the Third Reich stripped the machine to steal its technology. After the war, no trace of the locomotive was ever found.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB%C3%96_1082
2:27 Here comes the lion lol 😆🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁
Hi Toby.
6:00 Theres nothing like a Guiness. Not even Toby the tram
I thought Toby's basis was a lner J70
Well, when the C53's passed on to LNER, they were renamed J70. So, yes. Technically correct as they are literally the same locomotives.
@@HistoryintheDark ohhhhhh
5:55 I thought it was a J70
"It's probably a diesel...it's got a two-ended cab..." ...and DELTIC plastered down the sides... pfffffffffff.
ARE ALL YOUR VIDEOS OF STILL PHOTOS ONLY?? Video is usually movement
Big bertha from the lms
So we have a j70 tram engine and deltic
1935 was when the R.M.S Olympic was scrapped
TOBY THE TRAM IS IN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
number 5: Bruh, it's a class 55 deltic prototype. it says deltic on the side.
The presence of buffers does not mean the locomotive was not built in the USA. A Rogers New Jersey built locomotive from 1877, but very similar to the famous UP 119 4-4-0 from a few years earlier, but with buffers front and rear and no cow catcher pilot :
czcams.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/video.html
One of two delivered to the Victorian Railways and built to the broad gauge used of 1600mm. One got the nickname Nell Rogers and the other Nell's Sister, I think from a famous singer of the time. For a while later classed as the D class. Scrapped by 1907.
The Victorian Railways later had US built Baldwin 4-6-0 types built with the buffers needed for compatibility with existing rolling stock.
czcams.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/video.html
Unfortunately the video is showing the similar local S class when describing the Baldwin W class and vice versa.
Then later our first 2-8-0 types were Baldwin 2-8-0 V class locomotives built in the US with buffers :
czcams.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/video.html
So buffers supplied by US locomotive builders to suit local requirements of coupling systems and gauge.
Baldwin also built some locomotives to local Australian Victorian Railways designs when the need for more locomotives exceeded local capacity , as in the case of the VR DD class :
czcams.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/video.html
By the time of the double ended, F unit based, B class the railways were sufficiently progressed to the use of knuckle auto couplers that diesels from then on were not fitted with buffers. B class as you covered a while back :
czcams.com/video/U49NDi28OW0/video.html
nope thats TOBY from thomas the tank engine 5:01 steam tram if i am correct
knew it i saw it immediately
So having trouble sorting kiddy fiction from reality
Correct John, that's an inanimate object
@@florjanbrudar692 incorrect nobody asked
@@johnd8892 no?