Hornady Critical Defense Problem with Springfield EMP
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2011
- Hornady Critical Defense Problem through my Springfield EMP. I do not trust this ammo at all. I emailed and called Hornady about the duds and no response. I will not support this company. Sorry. Granted maybe the EMP just does not like Critical Defense. Ammo could be fine but I was hoping to get some type of response from Hornady.
Some people have sent me a msg saying it is the EMP and light primer strikes. Please see the pic in the vid and let me know what you think. All I can say is since this vid I have fired 100rds of 147gr HST with not a single issue. Also 40rds of 115gr Gold Dots with no issues.
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I’ve never had an issue with their critical defense ammo. Ever. After you shot the 427 rounds, did you clean the gun and then try a different batch of critical defense? Curious if it was a batch issue.
Just got an emp 4 from buds. Was supposed to be new, new price, no where did it mention used. It arrived dirty. And the aluminum frame looks like it has a small feed ramp worn into it. Wondering if they come like that or this thing had been shot to hell and back? It feeds ball rounds but gouges the copper jacket on every round.
Glad I found this video. I have a Springfield XD 9mm sub and I’m experiencing the same exact issues with feed. Definitely not reliable enough for me should I ever be put into a position where I need my firearm. Thanks for ammo suggestions
Just found your video hoping to diagnose my .40 EMP. I have also been carrying HCD, and recently started having the EXACT same issue... maddening. Glad it is not just me.
For the feeding issue it could be your gun, feed ramp. I have a friend that has a PX4 Storm and sometimes it does the same thing even with ball ammo, we polished the ramp and that did it. I haven't have an issue with my S&W SD9VE or with any of my Glocks. As far as the primer. It is possible that you got unlucky there but did you try to fire the rounds again? And if so what happened?
Not trying to put everything on your gun, but it is hard to see this happening when this ammo has worked just fine for my friends and I.
I got a new EMP and found some FMJs would not feed/ function. some factory ammo was getting stuck in the chamber without closing. I polished the feed ramp and chamber and it works fine now.
This post is related to my preceding post below: I’m trying to figure out if the jam is caused by the rubber piece in the point or if it is the more triangular shape of the bullet? The pinnacle of the Z-Max is extremely narrow compared to the other bullets I was shooting.
My buddy was testing the Z-Max in his Glock 27 Gen4 and had no problems. I will test many more Z-Max rounds in my Glock just to make sure there are no problems.
I had the same problem with my new emp coudnt chamber a defense round but after about 350 rounds of ball ammo and cleaning my gun now it doesn't hang up any more no failure to feeds
How do you feel about the EMP today?
My experience with two different Springfield armory compact weapons is they do not cycle the XTP style ammo at all, I get a jam every third round. I have had no problems with any other ammunition that I have tried.
I have the same problem in my XDS 9mm. Tip gets stuck on the feed ramp. Switching to Federal HST it looks like.
Might also try polishing your feed ramp?
I've also heard that some magazines bcan cause rounds to nosedive when feeding?
I have polished several feed ramps with a dremel tool . cleaning & polishing kit is available complete with polishing compound #421. I used the rounded bullet shaped soft bit and just a light feel to the metal feed ramp. using again a light pressure slide the tip back and forth. This will take out any and I repeat any small steps or ridges on that feed ramp. If needed keep applying a little more polish and keep working it into the metal ramp. It doesn't take much or a long time to accomplish a perfectly polished and absolutely smooth & slick feed ramp. Just take your time and watch the edges of the ramp. (this is were the bullet shaped polishing soft bit will blend beautifully with the feed ramp radius.
Best of luck & I think this may help as I have performed this maintenance step on all of my personal weapons ,including my EMP as well as several close friends, all with no problems.You must watch out for those tiny ridges and burrs as they will inherently cause miss feeds and jams.
OBTW I have spent 43 years in tool & die, so I have creditability for all those nay sayers out there.
Again I hope this will give you some insight into a potential problematic area !
Check out the O.A.L. of the Critical Defense rounds and compare them to the rounds that don't jam. If the size is to small they will hang on the feed ramp....
I have never had this issue once. I run HCD in every single gun I own. From sig legions to revolvers and some in between. I have both gold and silver primer HCD. Now I will say this, every 1911 I’ve owned I always take apart and polish the feed ramp and trigger bow. By doing this I may have increased my chances of preventing this from happening with HCD. You have a great gun and as you know it’s very fun to shoot.
I had 5 boxes all different types of cal after 6 months they don't go off and bullets get stuck in the gun have to tap it out
How is it working for you now my friend?
I do wish CZcams had a 15-second fast forward button for vids that go blah blah blah at the beginning.
they do double 5ap on the right side boris chang
They do.
You can probably find a CZcams video on how to do that (and other stuff like change playback speed)
Did you have a trigger job, or any trigger work done to the gun? Springfields are the most ammo sensitive guns I've ever used, especially the compacts, but duds?
I've got two EMPs. I've had zero problems with either of them. Even tried a box of RIPs . All with no feeding, firing or ejection issues.
I agree that there might be an issue with your feed ramp. Could be as minute as a small bur not visible to the naked eye.
Does the gun have a light weight firing pin. Remington primers are hard
Just got the ronin emp 3 inch it won't feed 115 critical defense 8t won't feed sig v crown 124 either this thing sucks
Same situation with Critical defense when I tried cycling it through my 3” emp. Not one feed directly into the barrel and all of them jammed or just came off the magazine without sliding into the barrel. I did not realize that the EMP’s did not like the critical defense but I have noticed there are a good number of firearms my epc9 included, that does not feed properly due to the shape of their bullet and that polymer tip hanging up on the feed ramps.
Yes I also had issues at first with these rounds on my 1911 Kimber 45. Had the feed ramp polished afterwards no issues. Thanks for the info.
The same exact thing happens with my 9mm XDS. I can't use that ammo at all.
Same thing happens with my RIA 1911 in 9MM. However my M&P Shield and Full-size have no issues with this ammo. It's why I still use it.
I bought a box of these for my sig 226 and tried to cycle them through the gun. I did get a hang up (FTF) where the tip was stuck against the feed ramp. I cycled them again with no problems. I also had them get stuck in the mag when I was unloading it using my thumb (not in the gun). However I have shot these through my XD-40 with no problems. Not sure I want to trust this in a self defense scenario...
Why are the Fed lips cut off the magazine?
Having same issue on my taurus g3c. Doesn't always happen but since I've noticed it I'm hesitant to carry these loads.
I loaded up 3 magazines for my EMP and 3 for my Glock 26 for a qualification run. The Glock had Magtek Guardian Gold 115 gr. +P and the EMP had Hornady critical duty 135 gr. I fired one magazine of each. The Glock fed with no problems, the EMP failed every couple of rounds.
I swapped the ammunition from gun to gun. The Glock fed the Hornady without problem and the EMP fed the Magtek. So just like the original poster my EMP will not feed Hornady either. The Glock will eat anything I throw at it.
@ColoradoNative100 So, I went to the range and shot about 150 round thru the gun. I then loaded a few different self defense loads. Although better, I still had some failure to chamber some rounds. I'll have to shoot it some more. Almost seams like a magazine issue. Has anyone found a solution to this??
Odd I run hst's and critical defense never had a problem ?
I’ve had the same issue with critical duty in .45 in my 1911’s; rubber insert hanging up on the feed ramp.
Same here. Have you tried anything else that works 100% of the time? Thanks.
I just checked, and I have gold primer, but they are .357 Mag rounds and my Ruger GP100 has a very hard and deep firing pin dent. Hopefully that won't be an issue, but ill look to replace them with new ones ASAP.
Are you switching mags.
The Polymere tip is catching on the feedramp and acting as a brake. The feedramp is not polished well enough for the polymere to slide up.
Years later, still won't cycle my 4 in EMP.
Overall, what do you think about your EMP? I'm looking at this one hard as a replacement to my XD Sub.
Interesting! I recently got a Beretta Storm compact. Using FMJ, I would get a failure to go fully into battery several times per mag. I tried several brands. All had same problem. I've seen U tube videos discussing this.
What's interesting is Hornady Critical Duty & Critical Defense worked fine. Same with Gold Dots.
Finally after several intense cleanings & maybe 300 rds, now it feeds most everything that I've run in it.
I just picked up a Rock Island 22tcm with a 9mm conversion and with the 9mm the zombie max was doing the same thing. Havnt had a chance to try anything else yet but appeared the rubber/polymer tip was catching where the feed ramp transitions from the frame to barrell.
I have a 9mm EMP [Wife] and I've done some research on it.Everywhere I've read, says that it only feeds 115 Grn. ball ammo???Hope they'rewrong, I paid a lot of $ for this.I love the carry feel of the EMP.Nice and thin.Maybe if Hornady would make the red dot thingy, in the middle shorter, where it doesn't come over the top, it would work better???So, what's the BEST HP that feeds in the EMP.I have read PLENTY about EMP feeding issues and I guess you can send it in and SA will correct the problem.
Critical defense rounds are also catching on my LC9s feeder ramp. Buddy of mine said he had same problem with his Sig P938. He switched to Pow'R Ball and hasn't had an issue since. I'll be switching ammo ASAP.
The very first time I tried to chamber a hollow point in my brand new EMP 9mm (before I fired a single round), I got a FTF (jammed on the feed ramp). Unfortunately, I don't remember what type of ammo it was. Although I did have some Hornady Critical Defense at the time, I don't think that is what I was using when I got the FTF. After doing some research, in an effort to resolve that problem, I applied some 3000 grade sandpaper (using a pencil eraser) to the feed ramp in an attempt to smooth the feed ramp surface, then some metal polish to give it a nice shiny finish. After that, I shot about 100 rounds (a mix of FMJ and HP) and did not see another FTF. I do realize that 100 rounds is not a very large sample size. I intend to do some more experimenting with Hornady Critical Defense and Hornady Critical Defense Lite when I get a chance.
One other noteworthy item: I have seen this issue on my EMP. There is an issue with some magazines called nosediving such that when a magazine is at or near its capacity, the top round will tend to "nose dive", or point downward, causing the bullet to hit directly on the feed ramp when it is being loaded into the chamber. Ideally the round sitting in the magazine should be angled somewhat upward so that, when loaded into the chamber, the bullet goes directly into the chamber without hitting the feed ramp. This "nosediving" tends to only occur when the magazine is at, or near, its maximum capacity. So another possible resolution for feed ramp jams is to not load the magazine to its full capacity - maybe reduce it by 1 or 2.
Bingo.
I've had same issue and plan to try these two remedies (polish ramp & partially fill magazine).
The problem I'm having with my Ruger P95 9mm, is that the rubber tips on the Hornady Critical Defense ammo get hung up in my magazines. Has anyone else had this problem?
@Brent376 hey , have you or anyone you personally shot the corbon dpx 115gr through an EMP ?? I am very interested in that round for my emp but it's so expensive & hard to find . I'd hate to buy it & it not function properly !! Any1 chime in if you have previous experience with this round in the EMP !! Thanx in advance !
Has anyone here sent their EMP back to Springfield for repair? How big a hassle was it,how long did it take?
I sent mine in for a fail to fire problem and it shot 10" low and left sent it via FedEx with a return authorization from springfield. first thing prior to sending I found firing pin tunnel had carbon and tiny pieces of other debris too. anyway no problems with Springfield they checked it out replaced firing pin sights, test fired it and returned it. no charge. I had only about 100 rds so I finished shooting another 200 with no problems all factory.
Hornady's quality control is horrible. I bought some Critical Defense 357 magnum for my Henry Big Boy, and they double loaded the powder in at least one round. I had zeroed the rifle with .38 special Winchester target ammo, but the first round of the Critical Defense 357 magnum overpressured the chamber and pressure-wedged the case against the walls of the chamber. When I operated the lever to eject the case, the back third of the case split off and ejected, leaving two thirds of the case wedged in the chamber. Had to send the rifle back to Henry to have them re-barrel it, which they did under warranty (Henry is awesome that way). Hornady gave me the run around about "if the problem is our ammuntion, we *may* assist you with paying for a gunsmith to fix it." I'll never buy anything Hornady every again.
Holy Cats!! . . . are all your primer strikes that far off center? That just doesn't look right at all . . .
I went to clean my sd9 and the round in the chamber was unseated from the case and sunk down ... I immediately changed my carry rounds
I have an EMP 40 cal was at range yesterday a full box of FMJ range ammo no FTE or FTF's then tried some self defense TAP and Federal ammo with both problems I don't know if it's me or the gun I have about 500 or so rounds thru and it's gotten better since new but still somewhat frustrated, I gently sanded with 2000 grain paper to ramp and clean meticulously, just venting but I do love the ergonomics of this gun!
Just bought a 2nd EMP 40 (used) - PS I love pain lol- No problems with this 2nd go around all types of ammo just a f/u -Al
Hey bro I was thinking about picking up the Emp Contour checked it out at a gun store really nice piece of steel, and regret leaving without it.
Came home did some research on the web and saw a CZcams video and people are complaining about lite primer strikes.
On some cases SA is replacing the firing pin with a steel one other cases SA is just replacing it with a regular pin.
I think I'm going with a 4" Kimber super carry pro instead.
What's your take on all this and going with a Kimber.
I've had similar problems with an XD .45.... sometimes mid magazine.
Had the same Critical Defense jamming issue with my Walther PPS M2. The PPS cycled the Speer Gold Dot and the Federal HST without an issue.
I ran into this exact issue yesterday. I was looking to polish the feed ramp.
The 1911 was designed for hardball ammo. Using HP ammo increases the feed angle. And causing the failure. Of all the contributing factors the one you can change is the magazine. Quality mags like Wilson Combat, Chip McCormick still produce mags with the 'bevel" at the top. Cheaper mags have more of a square opening because it's easier to manufacture. The beveled opening allows the round to rise earlier as it’s stripped from the mag.
I have 2 boxes of this round, and all mine have gold primers. I've honestly never seen ones with the silver primer caps.
I have this FTFeed problem with my EMP 4 inch with just about any wide hollow point. I think it's a springfield emp issue. I use Hornady in every other 9mm I've ever carried and never had an issue. I'm currently having this problem with hornady crit and some Sig jhp ammo. The ramp is really steep. I may try to polish it up.
@Bob White I've put 400 rounds through it so far. I bought it a couple days ago.
Ok did you make sure your firearm is a 9MM Luger? if it is not then they will not work. plus check the chanber ball it might be off a bit
Great review. I had the same problem with a Kimber 45 same ammo. I had the ramp and throat polished and it works fine now. Again in the break in period. Now I am at 800 rounds and no problem. But I do not trust this ammo in a defensive pistol. That red eraser tip LOL seems to hand up on the feed ramp. 😕
I have a hi point 380 that will chamber a hornady critical defense but won't eject fmj round ball ammo work perfectly
Sounds like a spring problem in the mag. Have you tried using other mags?
I'm having the same problem with my brand new lc9. What I found is that the casing is catching on the front of the magazine. It's not the feed ramp, at least in my case. Pull out the mag and push the ammo though by hand. It actually caused a chip in my feed ramp the first day I shot the gun... FML
im having the same problem with the critical defense ammo. the CD wont chamber in my p95. my buddy brought ball ammo and it fed without issue. lucki
I had been using this ammo with my carry pistol, a Kimber 1911 w/ 4" barrel, for almost a year before I deployed. I've never had this problem. I've also never had any issues shooting it. Perhaps it's my combination of handgun vs. bullet, but this ammo has been totally awesome for me.
Ammo selection is important in a semi auto. Not all ammo works in all guns.
I had the exact same issue in 40 with my shield using critical defense, while federal HST chambers and cycles just fine.
WOW, very informative, thanks for the heads up!
The problem might be that the tip of the Hornady round has the plastic tip, but just below the tip is the top edge or leading edge of the bullet. There is not a smooth transition from the polymer tip to the copper....you can see a straight angle small edge. I think that is what is hanging up to produce the mis-feeding. Your other bullets are rounded and feed more easily. Just my humble opinion.
I just got the emp 9 and had some critical defense ammo and tried to chamber a round and it got stuck just like the beginning of your vid. bummer.
Had the same problem with my Sig! Rubber tip, hanging up on the ramp.
350 rounds of Hornady Critical through my S&W Shield 9MM, NO Issue's!!! I use the Hornady Duty for my full size pistols!! I LOVE Both, neverrrrrrr any issue's!!! LOTS of people carry this Daily and swear by it (Myself Included)...
Apples to oranges. 1911s are notorious for having feeding issues with hollow points. The problem is that the gun was designed before hollow points were even a thing.
SKiTz The Gemini bull shit all my 1911 run great with holler points.
I have noticed that 1911 style pistols have some issues with hollow point ammo, in any caliber. A friend of mine is a 1911 guy, he owns 8 different 1911's from Remington, to 5 kimbers 2 colts and a para. And he always complains that hp ammo doesn't feed right. I own Glocks, berettas and FNX's and FNP's and none of them have a problem eating the CD ammo.
I've put about 300rds of Winchester White box through my EMP just fine. Tried some of this Hornady Critical and had 5 failures to feed out of 18 shots. Might try taking that plastic tip out.
If you're using that ammo for defense don't change anything. If you had to use it, the perps lawyer will say you modified the factory ammo to make it more lethal. Layers are funny like that.
hokanut WTF is a layer? And a good shot is a good shot so no they won't. People keep talking all this crap that isn't true. I can make my own defensive ammo right at home in my garage. Besides if you take the polymer tip out of the Hornady hollow point your left with guess what??............ wait for it.......... TADA a regular Hornady hollow point LOL. DERP
Go ahead and use modified ammo then. WTF.
It's not modified. WTF
Beautiful pistol and I would love to own it. Although I prefer to carry like go to war pistols with unsupported chambers for reliability. But No doubt beautiful pistol.
Was just messing with it. Found I had to pack the bullets back to get a proper feed. Not a good choice for ammo if that has to be done though . So if a round moves forward in the mag it will jam. Its a fraction of a mm smaller than the other rounds I use and the rear of the shell casing is larger than the other competitors . Shocked it makes that much of a difference :/
My EMP4 was picky about some HP ammo when it was new while handling ball ammo with no problems. Take out your barrel and inspect your feed ramp. If there are any tool marks whatsoever even faintly visible, get a dremel, some CLOTH polishing wheels (NOT abrasive grinding attachments) and a few metal polishing compounds. Start off with a mild middle of the road compound on the CLOTH polishing wheel and polish the ramp in the same direction rounds feed up into the chamber. Do NOT polish ACROSS the path rounds feed up the ramp. Apply the spinning attachment with polish for 5-10 seconds at a time, wipe it clean, and check out how much smoother the ramp becomes. Repeat 4-5 times until you can tell the light tool marks are less pronounced or completely gone. Finish off with the very lightest polishing compound to bring the ramp to a mirror-like surface. You won't have any more problems with HPs sliding up that ramp reliably. Mine now cycles HPs including Hornady CD with no problems. Good tutorial is located here, however, this guy was dealing with a more aggressive visible burr on his feed ramp so he got a little more aggressive with a little sandpaper work before doing the dremel polish job: czcams.com/video/1DHRRFw_Fgw/video.html
I bought a box back in late 09 and had 2 bad primers, and mine also had gold primers. I pretty much got same attitude from hornady. You got the lot# they should do something to make good. I been staying away from their CD line of ammo . I never had a problem with their xtp custom ammo, only the critical defense.
The problem is not the ammo or the brand of ammo, the problem is the gun. I bought an EMP myself had the same problem the feed ramp was too steep it was designes for ball ammo, I had to work on the feed ramp myself and then sent the gun to Springfield they polished it for me, now my EMP will cycle any ammo. Mine also had light strike issues, the titanium firing pin is too light I opted for the steel firing pin and the gun has functioned flawlessly since.
i actually had the SAME feed issue with the SAME ammo, and pretty much every JHP i could throw into it. a good polish on the feed ramp and issue improved. i think the feed ramp needs to be worked a little to break the sharp angle on the ramp itself.
May want to polish the ramp to smooth out imperfections it may have and leave it silky smooth.
ratagris21 What no. grit sandpaper do you recommend foe polishing the the ramp? I'd like to try it.
I would suggest using 320 or 400 grit and then finish with 600 grit and then a metal polish with a q tip and it should help with any rough surface or machine marks on any pistol. then buff it with a clean soft cloth. do it slow and check your work often.
The Hornady CD in 38SP and 44SP work great in my CC revolvers. The fact that it worked once you fired a lot of other rounds proves its a gun issue, not a cartridge problem. Primer hits look off center and a bit light compared to what I get with my S&W and Charter Arms revolvers. Have taken a lot of game with their ammo over the years and never had a problem in the field or at the range. Problems like this is why my CC guns are revolvers......end of problem. See a gunsmith. Good Luck
I have not had any issues except from Federal's JHP rounds in my new EMP. I use the Hornady Critical Defense rounds now and have never had a loading issue once.
Tested Zombie Max 40 S&W 165 in my Glock 27 and Sig P229. I had the same problem with chambering and feed issues in my Sig. When the gun was clean, it chambered, but it tried to hang, then as it got dirtier, chambering got worse. Tested many times and it failed probably 10 times or more. My buddy tested it too, he got the same results. Also, it jammed 3 or 4 times during firing. I ran several rounds of Hornady 155 JHP/XTP and Winchester 165 target load and had no problems. Glock worked fine.
I have an EMP 9MM I have spent 1,100 rounds three or four different types and I have not had a single failure not even one. I like shooting the Remington 147 grain mc the best. Best handgun I have ever owned or used.
I haven't had any issues with my glock 23 but in any of my 380 wont cycle them
Gold Dots and SIG Sauer ammo is all I use for carry. The SIG ammo is phenomenal!!
You may need to have the feed ramp of your EMP polished to have the Hornady rounds feed properly. The only difference between silver and gold primers are that the gold primers are brass and the silver are nickle plated brass. You may be experiencing light primer strikes with your EMP. There are many good SD rounds available. You might try Speer Gold Dot 124 or 147 grain hollow points in your gun.
I own two Springfield EMP's and had the same problem with both when they were brand new. I tried all sorts of hollow point ammo and none of them would chamber. They both shot ball ammo just fine. I sent both back to Springfield and they polished the feed ramps on both. They both shoot perfectly now after 1,000's of rounds. I am very comfortable using them for my daily carry piece and trust them 100%. I was impressed with Springfield's customer service.
I cant chamber my 1911 with Hornady critical defense 9mm ammo either. I tried 6 different mags.
If you field strip that gun and take the barrel out, then use “ Flitz “ paste polish with a dremel polisher, with a Bullet Tip polishing pad and polish the ramp on the barrel, and the upper inside rear top area of the barrel, you will find this will greatly improve the functionality of your gun. I have a Springfield Armory Ronin model in 10mm and it wouldn’t cycle my self defense ammo, but after polishing the barrel like I stated, there were no problems cycling any ammo.
My range officer compact had no problems with any of my defensive including critical defense. But it had two ftf's out of 200 of tulammo. Not to worried i have 300 rounds total and I won't carry a firearm till it has atleast 500 rounds.
Feeding issue might be with the ramp. Needs polishing, just like most 1911 pistols. Also mag could be the culprit. I threw my Springfield factory mags out, they were so bad. As far as duds, I recently read an article about EMP. Author stated those don't have mechanical "drop safe" feature. Springfield solved it by using light firing pin and strong spring. Author noted this solution was sometimes causing light primer strikes. Did you sell it due to problems with ammo?
same thing happens on my XD-S 45, normally the first round when charging by hand.
Your 100% right on the ftf. I've used 124gr critical defense with a full 9 rds and had same hang up. Using only 8 in the mag it reduced the ftf issue. Not what i want to see in a edc.
It’s catching between the frame feed ramp and the barrel feed ramp. Had the same problem with my colt 1911 with any hollow point ammo. Didn’t matter on the brand I bought. I had to polish the feed ramp on the frame. If u do do this do not remove material. Just polish it. If u remove material it will have reliability problems. I recommend taking it to a gun smith. But u could try polishing it and it might will feed then. But if not u will have to take it to a gunsmith. My 1911 is a colt competition 45 acp.
Same thing happened to me tonight....cleaned my gun then went to re-charge my xds for CC and the round pinned itself against the feed ramp.... Whats strange is when the feed ramp was gunked up this never happened! I was able to sling shot it to chamber a round but it spooked me enough to put in the standard xtp's in......BTW this was the critical duty not the defense....
I have had same problems with ammo also in my 380 9 40 went back to gold dots
I had a Hornady critical defence round that was overseated, called Hornady, 3 days later received a new box of 25. Hornady treated me very well!
Have been using Hornady in a Glock26 for almost three years and haven't ever had any issues with it has always performed flawless.
I owned 2 1911 kimbers. And EVERY time I would load a magazine with hornady defense and critical in BOTH guns they had problems to feed. The bullet would get stuck between the barrel lip and frame. And I tried regular hollow points and those fed with no issue. I suspect it's the rubber tip that just doesn't cooperate with the 1911. Again I tested it on 2 different 1911s with the same issue. So I stopped using Hornady. I rather use RIP ammo lol
My M&P 40 does the same thing. It just nosedives into the feed ramp.
This happens to my Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 with the same ammo