Sera/ Lavellan romance breakup after drinking from Well of Sorrows
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2016
- Sera and Lavellan (elf) romance
Lavellan chooses elf heritage over Sera
Inquisitor drank from Well of Sorrows
I posted this to share with friends so we could discuss the scene... not so people could bash Sera (or Vivienne?? wtf is that?) and certainly not so people could say Solas is right. If you're just here to bash Sera as a character, do it elsewhere please. - Hry
I imagine romancing Sera as an Elven Mage is one of the most challenging things in this game.
Really no, I mean sure there is less approval earning but you can still romance her easily. Just don't decide that the well and it's knowledge is super important
How about romancing Fenris as a mage
Feliss Zerjin that’s actually not too hard, his dislike of mages is because he was a slave of one, and got abused. Yes he bashes mages in the beginning (even if you are a mage and romancing him), but most of it is because he thinks mages are more powerful and thus more capable of hurting others. He DOES have character development, however, and reconsiders his stance. I’m not sure about the rivalry romance, but if you do the friendly romance then he’ll even fight with you and help the mages at the end of the game.
@@felisszerjin9073 you only need to choose wrong replica, lol
I can confirm this, she hated me for breathing, but we ended up as good friends (she gave me cookies).
Man... Sera's fun and all, but she has the emotional tolerance threshold of a teaspoon.
I think that last part is important, where she says "say the other bit." Have you ever played as a City Elf in origins? There's a lot of strife between the elves in Denerim and the Dalish elves. There's a lot of hurt and a lot of pain. This isn't just Sera hearing that you're picking a set of gods over her beliefs. This is her hearing that you're picking a set of gods over her. The Dalish "abandoned" the city elves (from their perspective) and use their beliefs as an excuse not to care about or rescue the other elves from their suffering. When she says she's "just people" she means "if I were just another elf in Denerim, you're saying you wouldn't care about me."
I'm not saying she's right, but it *is* compelling.
@@avryantoinette worst part is if you play the Dalish elf start in origins you can meet a city elf in the camp who ran away from the city and was accepted with open arms by the clan, you can learn a little about a few of the misunderstandings both city, and Dalish elves have about one another, and its sad.
@@hmdragon1638 his name was Pol. He was the one who died running away from Merrill in DA2
@@terra_the_nightingale135 REALLY?! i completely missed that i mean i knew they where the same clan from the name but dang.
@@avryantoinette Have you actually played the City Elf Origin? Most city elves dismiss the Dalish as "heathens" and "savages" if they believe they exist at all, and Dalish elves who move into the Alienages are often left to struggle on their own. (Zevran's Dalish mother had to sell herself into prostitution after his woodcutter father died, and Merrill and Arianni are semi-pariahs in the Kirkwall Alienage.) We also see the Dalish help city elves: Alarith the shopkeeper in the City Elf Origin told how the Dalish saved him from slave hunters after he fled Tevinter, Clan Sabrae took in Pol the escaped city elf and Feynriel the half-elf, and Clan Lavellan risk their lives (and potentially die) to save the Wycome city elves from being purged. City elves give as good as they get, and Dalish elves help city elves quite often. So, Sera's intolerance of Lavellan's beliefs isn't justified. I get that she was hurt by "elfy" elves in the past, but that doesn't give her the right to hurt Lavellan over it.
Sera, here's a tip. How about *not* calling your girlfriend, whom you know believes in this religion, a demon-worshipper? You don't have to believe it yourself, but you still shouldn't gloat over what is probably an immensely traumatising, frightening situation for your girlfriend the *Dalish Elf*.
She is mad because said girlfriend is being "elfy" she hates being with people that act like that
Connor Lonergan Exactly. She’s ridiculous. It’s xenophobia and it’s not cute or quirky. Lavellan acts according to her culture, heritage and beliefs. Hating those for the sake of it is being intolerant. There’s a difference between disagreement of belief systems and blind hate/intolerance.
Sera couldn't get pass it is kinda a bummer. I bring her in the fade and every magic related mission but she still refuse to open up to the idea that there might be more to the legends. Heck, im playing as a non-believer quinari but i cnt ignore that some of it might be true or came from truth. Sera is just too closed minded and set on her ways, which clouds her judgement and limits her understanding.
@@Kat-yv1yq you need to remember that she is city elf so Dalish bad Maker good, this is fantasy setting so if you would make fantasy out of real midleage europe you would get: xenophobic, by our standards pedophilic, scared of everything society. People in those times and settings don't care about tolerance like you would ask commoner what tolerance is and he would tell you that it might be some kind of wheat. People were scared of unknown like you would tell them of black people and they would be like devils, devils!. So discrimination was something sadly normal in this kind of scenario but even in Dragon Age discrimination is everywhere like humans believe elfa are worse than them and then city elfa believe that Dalish elfs are heatens or legend or something
@@diooverheaven6561 Yet we’ve run into city elves before that aren’t as xenophobic. At the very least you’d assume she’d have some sort of character arc (particularly if she’s friends with or dating Lavellan) where she would realise that she’s stereotyping the Dalish, just like she assumes the Dalish stereotype city Elves like herself, and come to the conclusion that maybe just maaaaaybeee she’s a bit of a hypocrite. There are plenty of other more devout characters who show tolerance and kindness (Cullen? Cassandra?). These more devout characters don’t let their personal beliefs interfere in their relationship with Lavellan, whether it’s romantic or platonic. Cullen is an incredibly devout character who lets Lavellan have Dalish vows if they marry, yet Sera can’t even cope with Lavellan believing in the beliefs she has had since childhood - the ones that are integral to their culture and who they are as a person. So Sera, being less devout than them kinda means that her belief in the maker isn’t enough to justify her behaviour - our other companions don’t behave that way.
I don’t care what her background is or what formulated her beliefs, my issue with Sera is that she never grows in that area. It makes the issue worse, because not only is she looking down on Dalish Elves - if she is friends or romantically involved with Lavellan she’s deliberately hurting someone who took time to get close to her and befriend her. Yes I’m aware this is a Medieval-esque fantasy - however, society doesn’t parallel our medieval times to the letter (hence more open view of marriage, sexuality etc). Personally I’m judging Sera solely based on all of the other companions in Inquisition, so based on in-game behaviours and beliefs. She pretends like she’s anti-establishment, that she moves to the beat of her own drum etc. but in reality all the other companions (even the most rigid ones that are symbolic of establishments) are more open-minded and more flexible than her, which is one of the ironies of Sera in my opinion. Obviously you can have your own opinion on her, but she’s a character who really gets on my nerves lol. I personally don’t believe her belief in the maker is enough to justify what she does.
I tried to like Sera, I really did. I still don't hate her as a a character, but it's damn frustrating how you can't have an argument with her ending respectfully disagreeing, instead it's losing shitloads of approval and ending up with her hating my Inquisitor. You either have to avoid her touchy subjects, thus narratively giving no room for improvement or development as a character or just end up in an argument with her railing on everything and everyone she hates because "that's what she believes and that's it". So frustrating. She's like an emotionally stunted child, no joke. She makes me look back at accusations against Fenris with a laugh, he doesn't even come close to her in terms of immaturity.
When i was a kid, i respected the religion of the others.
Fenris literally only remembered life as a slave, a tool for a monster of a mage. He fought for his freedom and hates mages because he thinks they are like those in Tevinter. He changes his mind however and see's that they aren't that bad. He'll still side with the Templars because he thinks they are better, but he isn't a child about it. I love Fenris because he can see the error and grow from it. Sera doesn't grow, at all. The only character growth she gets is from a time-skip.
@@onyxrose4349 Which, to be fair, is a refreshing amount of character growth all the same. Especially if you're playing as an elf. Because she actually appears to be getting over a lot of her hangups about things like the Dalish. Even helping make sure your clan is okay, and even encouraging one of her fellow Jennies to see if any of your clan survived should theh have been destroyed.
@@Spiralpaladin To be fair I do like her after the timeskip. I just really, really don't until then lol.
@@onyxrose4349 Oh, I get ya. She has her moments of depth pre Trespasser, like the sheer amount of terror she experienced in Here Lies the Abyss, but it's overshadowed by a lot of her more unsavory moments, like this one if you're trying to romance her.
Man, this really upset me for a first time playthrough. You spend the whole time trying to hear her fears, listen to her problems and help her through it and then she comes out with a load of racist shit about elves stinking of halla shit and stuff because she's got this internalised self-hatred and then she dumps you for disagreeing with her? I genuinely like her character, I get her motivations and things but there is a god damn line of give and take and she only takes.
Yeah right? I love her as a character but holy shit is she poorly written. There was so much potential for her to like. Learn about her heritage and unlearn her internalized biases and at the very least come to respect other elves and the ways they choose to live/believe instead of vilifying them but whoever wrote her just said fuck it and took a 3 month vacation instead of doing any of the things that would make her more compelling. I'm romancing her in my current playthrough and I honestly feel guilty more than anything because it's like whoever wrote her wrote her to be fucking 5 years old.
If you look at Sera during the "I mean... It just makes sense...right?" Part at around 1:48, you can see that she's actually quite uncertain herself, almost as if she's self-sabotaging the relationship. Yeah, that still sucks, but she doesn't really hate the elven religion that much, she sounded scared.
@@Foxingg I’m sorry you’re frustrated but that doesn’t mean the writing is bad. There are plenty of people like Sera who are emotionally stunted and can’t unlearn their internalized biases and would rather hurt other people than come to terms with their own issues. I don’t even like Sera, but I don’t think you can expect her to be more than she is. She starts the game an immature brat and she never really grows because she isn’t capable of growing. I think that’s actually kind of fascinating that a character can elicit a response from the player where the player is disappointed in them for not being able to get past their issues and grow. That’s unique writing IMO, because most RPG side characters are “fixable” and Sera subverts that expectation. She is simply flawed to the core
@@julianreviews8102 No amount of your excuses fixes their bad writing. If any of that were true they would have made some sort of statement about it, but they didn't. Her entire character can be described as "Elf who hates elves" and the game never once tries to say that that's bad, or tries to make her grow from that. The only thing you're right about is her being flawed to the core, because she's just a bad character made by bad writers, and another perfect example of BioWare trying to make interesting political allegories but being so afraid of making #gamers mad that they just end up sounding racist, shitty, and appropriative. You sound like your favorite kind of book is the kind where every good guy is a power-tripping mary-sue. You sound like you like sword art online lmao.
@@Foxingg The game lets you decide whether that’s bad. The other characters definitely have their own opinion of Sera, and the game gives you options to befriend or ignore or even insult/dislike Sera, so idk what tf you mean by “the game takes no stance on her”. The game lets you take whatever stance you want with Sera. I don’t even like Sera, myself. I think she is whiney and petulant but I know she’s written that way on purpose, and that will appeal to some people and not others. I’m not sure where you get off insulting me personally over thinking this way. And no, I don’t like sword art online. I think it’s boring and badly written. Anyways, your argument is bizarre word salad and I don’t even know if you’ve played the game based off of it
Someone needs to tell Sara there has to be a middle ground between "thinking too hard" and not thinking at all.
No middle ground fir devil god worshippers.
"but glory squats in the woods and smells like halla arse" she says to her dailish girlfriend
"Oh my God, we have a disagreement? Like normal people do? Better end this at once because I can't handle it!" xD
Me when I was 13 😂
I'm in the minority here, but I think Sera's character has/had a lot of potential because of scenes like this. Not because I agree with her, but because this is a real kind of person: someone whose ability to form relationships is incredibly handicapped by internalized prejudice. And it's something a lot of lesbians, in particular, would understand, because many of us have either 1) been that person, 2) loved that person and had it end poorly, or 3) been the object of that person's frustrated but unspeakable (to them) desires. Even though Sera hates being an elf rather than being gay, a lot of those same emotions are here. My biggest problem with the character is that there's little development from this point, where it matters. Compared to Dorian, whose character arc tackles another common queer experience in more explicit terms, Sera's arc feels distinctly incomplete. It's okay if she doesn't want to be the elfiest elf, but she has to learn to be comfortable with other elves, and not take someone else's cultural practices personally.
You put my thoughts into perfect words, thank you.
You said it so well! She has a lot of potential, but it never goes anywhere ;0; ♡ !
In Tresspasser she does admit she was immature for judging Lavellan like that so she has some growth. Personally, I still think she's a great character because of how flawed she is.
I really like Sera as a character, annoying traits and all. IMO she's just too young still, and too hurt by life to make all the sense in the world, but she is willing to assert herself, no matter what. Some of the stuff she says is absolute idiocy, hard-headed and childish, but she's also wise in a lot of ways. It's the sort of person who can become great with the years. I hope we get more of her in DA4.
I don't like Sera not because she is written poorly. I don't like Sera because she is written as a believable character and that believable character is an asshole.
This is why I couldn’t romance Sera, she’s selfish. She disregards an entire race of people because they cling to the past in order to regain something from their lost culture, a culture which she fundamentally rejects because she herself has denied her heritage. She doesn’t have to agree with the way elves are currently desperately clinging to the past, at times even at a detriment, but at least try to understand why they do.
Everyone is selfish. She rejects what she doesn't understand because she lacks the emotional maturity for it. Anyone who pursued her in spite of these obvious signs deserved what they got.
@@kaulenfuhs1630 Not necessarily. I mean, I can understand WHY she reacts the way she does, especially considering the grim truths about the ancient elves and everything else, but I'm not sure it justifies the reaction itself. That's just my perspective of course, and everybody has a different one toward the situation.
@@kaulenfuhs1630 Well, you can be selfish like.... let's say, Iron Bull, or Cullen. Or you can be selfish as Sera or Viviene.
The irony of her hating elves because they "cling to the past" is that she's basing a lot of her decisions on how to think about people on what happened in her own past.
@@Theeight8b The difference is that Iron Bull and Cullen don't shit all over your heritage and people. Cullen allows Dalish vows when you tell him the regular vows won't mean anything. He's understanding about it. Bull had issues with mages and magic but he will befriend a mage inquisitor. Sera berates you if you disagree with her. I wouldn't want a relationship or friendship like that.
I used to like Sera, but now in my recent play through I tried to answer truthfully rather than appease everybody. I was still able to kick Sera out of the inquisition even after I finished the game. I almost always play as an Elfven mags, and have only completed the game as an Elf. I gravitate more towards Solas' opinions on Elves and Mages. And it seems that she doesn't like that. She is a hypocrite.
She hates Solas's view because his views tend to put Elves and mages above people
Agreed. Solas honestly makes more sense not only that but he also understands the fade and the view of mages and attempts too understand the ways of other people's. He is OPEN too being corrected and OPEN too a point of view that isn't his own provided it makes sense...sera clings too her way of life because it seems too hold her psyche and interests together. Something happened too her too make her disapprove of elves I mean...it would be shitty too not at least have her back story explained in greater detail. Even so. I also lean more towards solas even on my first play through as a male dalish mage. Even just as his friend before creating a female elf and pursuing the romance (which I think fits best as the default for dragon age 4) I had alot of respect for him.
@@ConnorLonergan not true actually. Hes open too the opinions of all and never once in any and I do mean ANY of his dialogue has he hinted that mages or even elves are better than anyone else. So might wanna correct that or back that up with facts because from where I sit you dont know what you're talking about.
@@ConnorLonergan she dislikes solas's views because he holds onto the past he is apart off. Because he clings too a world that is lost. Same as morrigan, same as the dalish. The views YOU described are more tvinter. Where mages actually rule above all people and most normal people and elves are born slaves or made such.
@Alika Fifi arafiah Clicked on this video as it was recommended, surprised that people are still commenting on my original comment.
I'm going through another playthrough now, and you can convince that Modern Dalish aren't as bad as he thinks. Can't say the same about other races, I still haven't played other ones yet. Considering doing a dwarf game, but not anytime soon. But I do still agree with Solas on many if not all of his opinions. Except maybe destroying everything and having elves only.
Sera is so immature it's really sad. I get that it's hard to carry on a relationship with someone who has different goals in life or is of a different faith, but that's not really why Sera broke up with Lavellan. Sera's last line, "Say the bit about how I'm not smart enough," shows that she's full of insecurities, and those insecurities are the real thing keeping her from being in a committed relationship with Lavellan. She put words in the Inquisitor's mouth, after having mocked her beliefs, which was after aiming an arrow at her face with the bowstring drawn back (like holding a gun to her head). All this, the Inquisitor was clearly willing to forgive, and thus move on with their relationship. The only thing the Inquisitor couldn't handle was being told to deny her beliefs. Sera couldn't accept even that much. Sera's a terrible love interest. Sorry to see lesbians kind of got the short end of the stick in this game. Honestly, in general, I feel like people who like women kind of got the short end of the stick in this game.
At least we lesbians still have Josephine. A decent Bi romance is more than I've come to expect from Bioware in the last few years.
I don't think any of the romances are particularly good. It's hard to like Blackwall after his secret is revealed, let alone love him. Cullen is boring. Dorian's story almost revels in being homophobic to him. I really only like romancing Cassandra and Solas, and only Solas because of the impact on the story.
I mean, Josephine's romance is extremely sweet, and since there are many other ways to romance Sera than as a pious Dalish mage who drank from the well (lot of conditions there), I really can't consider that 'the short end of the stick', personally.
Are you kidding?!
I'm on my second playthrough and I was totally up for a romance with Sera, even though I kinda can't stand her, but jesus, this is too much. I was trying to get past her prejudice and all that but this just made me realize that no matter what, I'll always prefer to be heartbroken over Solas than endure Sera's immature ways.
Honestly, I prefer Sera's inmature ways over Egghead's bullshit.
I can’t believe she’ll break up with you because your character wants to help the elven people. I know she thinks “people are people”, but still
Many of her comments almost seem to imply that elves aren't people to her.
@@shammydammy2610 sounds like Solas
@@shammydammy2610 or rather they are people to her, but only if they reject their own culture
@@shammydammy2610 Well specifically the Dalish. Who, to be fair, despite all the unfair persecution they've had to suffer simply for their different culture and beliefs from the Chantry, do have a tendency to act like they're better than others. Especially toward "flat ears" like her. Still doesnt excuse THIS particular reaction of hers, even if it is somewhat understandable, but af least she starts to gradually get over her hangups in Trespasser.
@@Spiralpaladin I don't know... I stabled her early on in my first playthrough because I could not stand her. I never even recruited her in my next playthrough because there's not an option to strangle her in a back room...at least not that I've found.
"Call me stupid but I believe the stuff not made up by dead people who failed."
Riiiiggghhttt, because the Maker is totally not told/made up by Andraste who is dead and failed her task?! Wake up Sera, you're being a hypocrite.
She's scared to death and clinging to the only thing she's ever known and believed to be true. Give her a break.
Brad Torville no i dont, she is literaly seen shit that would blow peoples minds and being "scared"
Brad Torville Yeah...no.
How does the Maker fit into this? She doesn't believe in the Maker either, tf are you on about?
@@lewd2851 Eh... You know that Sera is big believer of the maker right? She even says here in this dialog, that there is not enough space for the maker and the elven gods. And in the dialog right after you find Skyhold she says that "an ass has to sit on the throne" meaning: she believes that the maker is real.
*stabs Sera* "the Dalish send their regards"
It honestly makes me sick to my stomach that Sera would end a relationship with the Inquisiter just because they have different beliefs. She is selfish and arrogant, and tries to enforce her opinions on others without taking into consideration their feelings. She almost makes that snob Vivienne look decent 😒
At least Vivienne somewhat cares about the fate of her fellow mages and Templars
rcc1111 She kind of doesn’t, though. Just look how dismissive she is towards all the mages that were abused in Kirkwall. Vivienne supports Circles mainly because they give her more political power, not because she cares about mages.
Nic Blowing up the chantry... kind of worked, though. That’s the whole point of it. It’s unambiguously evil and immoral (since terrorism), but it also completely forced a change. If Anders doesn’t do that, the mages never rebel and the circle systems never change. No matter how the war plays out, mages are better off post DAI than before Anders nuked the chantry. The whole idea of that event is “Do the ends of bettering mages and fighting oppression justify the horrible means it took to get there?” I don’t think they do, but Anders nuking the chantry was more effective than most of what Viv did when it came to bettering mages. Hell, she’s only a viable divine because of that
As for Vivienne, it’s made explicitly clear her power is greatly weakened without the circle, which is one of the reasons why Morrigan is able to replace her in the Imperial Court. Vivienne is placing what’s best for herself first and other mages second, which can be seen in other elements too (like how she doesn’t even try to help curb the chantry’s racism). Leliana is definitely the best divine
@Nic I think what frustrates people (or atleast me) that there is no quest or way for Sera to.. Face her past? Or confront it? It frustrating because in context her background is really interesting and could be seen more (the self-hate, racism towards her kind, etc).
I think it would have been nice for her to see that dalish are people too? But we don't get none of that, and it is frustrating to see her because of it?
I like her in theory, but in game I unfortunately couldn't understand why people enjoyed her. I do adore her passion towards the working class! That part where she says "you can keep the elves, Im just with people" (not quote on quote haha) is good! Just her elf hate is annoying because it never goes anywhere / how she reacts when the topic comes out. It really feels like they could have done what Fenris' romance had: "Hawke, you are a mage and it makes me think of my past. Maybe I AM clinging too much on it" kind of thing?
@Nic You have a good point about Solas, unfortunately it is hard for me to not see Sera as lost potential.
I did go check her romance route and I do like to see her opening up! Really wish she could have had more of that.
But honestly, even though I disagree with you about Sera, you explained Solas' problem so well :"^D 100% agree. Also yeah, you had good points about Fenris I forgot to mention. I still think his problems with mages and magic has.. Some kind of more exploration? Hard to explain.
But yeah, well explained you thoughts about Sera o7 was nice reading it ~
I'd have prefered a mabari as a companion rather than Sera.
@BioWare If you remaster the game, please but a mabari o inquisition
Same
Sameeee
the lack of mabari companion in dai was ridiculously disappointing! what was the point of making it a reoccuring theme between the first two games!
Yeah, going for a playthrough without her this time. Oh the peace and quiet!
during my first playthrough as an elf mage i somehow managed to stay on good terms with sera even though i disagreed with her in this dialogue about the temple of mythal. i guess the reason why sera was kind of like "you do you" with my inquisitor is that they were just friends. but i don't understand, does sera think that if you have even the slightest disagreement with your significant other it's a valid reason to split up with them? cuz in friendship with inquisitor she's sorta kinda okay with them being of another belief, but if they're lovers having different gods that you believe in, apparently, is an unbearable thing.
(sorry for my mistakes, english is not my native language)
A lot of feminists encourage women to leave at the drop of a hat instead of working through disagreements. Sera is a caricature of that thinking. Immature, bratty, selfish, and intolerant.
@@bethkrager6529 Weird to bring up feminism out of nowhere
@@bethkrager6529 well noone encourages that, we encourage women to believe it is ok to leave. because it is ok for anyone at any time. Noone is obliged to stay in a relationship. Noone is entitled to a relationship
Sera: "I hate it when people try to enforce their worldview onto others!"
Also Sera: "If you don't conform to my worldview I am breaking up with you!"
Well, she isn't trying to force you to believe other things. Everyone is in their right to end any romantic relationship for any reason, even without a reason, and they don't owe you an explanation. Thinking that a person "must" stay in a relationship with someone just cause YOU think their reasons are not "good enough" is pathetic
@@KateeAngel stop copy pasting, you're not a broken type writer
@@KateeAngelshe’s allowed to dump inq for whatever reason, but we’re allowed to think those reasons are ridiculous and immature
Wokes😂
I thought she was pulling out a bat to smack Lavellan.
Thanks for uploading! Uagh, I'm in serious roleplay mode this playthrough and don't wanna break up with sera, but... my inquisitor would :C
+Amber James I was very upset about it. I went into the game with two plans for my Inquisitor- she was proud Dalish and she was bi. Having this happen was heartbreaking. I wanted her to have a romance, so I played with romancing Cullen after Sera forced me to break up with her, but I couldn't do it. I went back several saves to the end of this fight and just stuck it out as being single with a torch for Sera, hoping Trespasser would let them reconcile. I'd heard Sera changed her mind a bit in Trespasser... but not that much. :(
+Amber James Also, her whole self-hate over not being smart just fucking killed me. I hated it. Like no, Sera, don't do that to yourself. You're not stupid and I'm not going to tease you for not being smart.
I hate that Sera would refuse to recognize or acknowledge elven faith
She Acknowledges it she just hates it
To a certain degree, I understand it. If someone's worldview and set of values is too different from your own, it can be hard to make the relationship work. However, there's a difference between saying, "Our worldviews are too different," and saying, "Your worldview is rubbish."
Also, she should have been aware of this going into the relationship with a Dalish elf.
And people ask me why I hate Sera.....
I do understand that Sera must have gone through something very traumatic to develop such resentment towards elven culture and religion, but it still feels like a punch to the gut to hear your own girlfriend disrespect your heritage and everything you believe in. Still, it makes her more realistic in a way. I'm sure we've all encountered or at least will encounter people like Sera in our lifetime, who have so much internalized prejudice because of less than pleasant experiences. So no hate to her, I think she's a well-written character, even if I wouldn't choose to romance her again.
I don't think people with drastically different religions can have a healthy romantic relationship. Sera definitely could have responded better. She was way too rude and insensitive when the Inquisitor's whole world could be shattered if she really did believe it was all nonsense now. What Sera says in the end, about wanting to look ahead, seems to reign true with the theme of the game though. Looking back to obtain former glory causes a whole mess. But Sera really could have handled this better. But no, a relationship with two people with strong convictions about drastically different religions is usually not going to last a long time. Sera is right, there can't be elven gods and the Maker. Now, Sera is wrong about the gods being demons among other things, but those previous things can't mix. Most people who play as Lavellan end up having to avoid answering questions in a way that support the Dalish in order to stay with Sera, and a relationship where you're on egg shells is not a relationship that you should remain in. Romancing Sera is all well and good when you believe in the Maker or are agnostic, but otherwise it's probably more toxic.
Please, you can romance Cullen and Cassandra as an elfy elf and both deeply believers, a lot more than Sera, will respect your beliefs, you can even have Dalish vows with Cullen.
So the religion is not a valid excuse for Sera's bullying, because its bullying.
I don't think you've been around enough if you don't think that people with drastically different religions can't have a healthy romantic relationship. Your statement is only true if you add immature to the mix. You can agree on disagreeing, it's possible. An old couple in the town I used to live in had drastically different religions, and yet they still got along. Sera is definitely not a good fit for anyone with even a slight belief in the elven gods only because she is so immature and refuses to grow.
And this is why I hate Sera and rather romance Josephine when going the same sex route for a relationship
Josie is always a win.
@@N7Lambo OMG Josephine is adorable she made me feel like my inquisitor and her were Disney Princesses ❤️️
@@grelly_chan8401 My first romance was with Josie, and she seemed like a great fit for my female inquisitor. I have replayed DAI a few times and it is always difficult trying to romance someone else.
omg who would not want to romance Josephine? I loooooove her. She is so sweet, and I literally had to fight for her! I am a straight female, but I still played my female character in a romance with her, and giggled and sighed through the whole thing. Josie just makes you feel like a hero, no matter what you do. All I wanted to do was see her smile and listen to her talk with her soft voice. Oddly, when I romanced her with my male character it did not feel the same... I created him for her after my playthrough as a female. It's funny how that works.
You know for all that bluster of her hating and feeling above the elvhen... she seemed desperately upset she didnt understand what it was like too be elvhen here. Interesting, only cause I haven't pursued this romance. But I do wish Sera would maybe get in touch or at least develop a soft spot for her people but that's probably just the solas approval in me talking.
But it's her refusal to even consider anything elven as being true or *gasp* even try to apply any of it to her own life or beliefs that makes her so insufferable. Sure, she knows she doesn't understand any of it and it terrifies her but as with magic, whenever anyone else offers to train her or explain any of it to her so she won't have to fear it so, she outright rejects it and ends the conversation. You cannot help someone who is that determined not to grow or change or even try.
Ah, so Sera is so obnoxious because she’s trying to mask her insecurities, like perceiving herself as not being smart. Makes sense when you consider it’s the intellectual mages in the party she’s always trying to rub the wrong way. Too bad you have to have the worst possible romance outcome to understand that about her.
Well she'll be forever stunted and stupid thanks to refusing to try and grow or learn a damn thing. That's on her I'm afraid.
Wasn’t the last Inquisitor the very thing Sera says can’t exist?
Exactly what I'm thinking. I wish there was a dialogue option in there you could bring information back from that mission and be like...well, well, well look which mage elf made a shrine for the elf gods AND the maker Sera
@@fox7378 Bring Sera along for Jaws of Hakkon and let her explain Ameridan if she can.
It says a lot about how Sera is that you can kick her out at any time at all. Obviously BioWare thought she was too much, so gave people that option.
She's so frustrating. Once I figured out how she was like this I couldn't deal with her. Like I know she's not awful, but that's an awfully minor thing to break a relationship for.
Everyone is in their right to end any romantic relationship for any reason, even without a reason, and they don't owe you an explanation. Thinking that a person "must" stay in a relationship with someone just cause YOU think their reasons are not "good enough" is pathetic
@@KateeAngel Yeah, everyone is in their right to end it, and I am within my right to judge them however I please for making connections then cutting them off for a meaningless difference. That's not someone I'd like, nor be interested in. I'm just as free to not like her as she is to end a relationship. To project onto a character and take offense as if someone would want to force someone to stay is pathetic. Imagine doing all that while trying to defend a character who won't respect your religion and actively shittalk it to your face. I never get that far in the relationship in the first place because actively disrespecting your partner's beliefs and all that is scummy, when I first romanced her I broke up with her just after learning how much she discriminates.
What makes sera a great character is also her biggest flaw. It was refreshing to see an elf trying to lighten the mood and not being too "elfy" as she puts it. Unfortunately, they went too far and made her a tyran who's only happy when everyone agrees with her. I mean I get how hard it is to live with people who belive in a religion that you don't believe in, especially when they rub it in your face. But when your girlfriend that you love dearly disagrees with your point of view, she has her reasons. Maybe breaking up with her is a bit exaggerated.
She's nothing more than a petulant spoiled brat who denies who she is because she thinks it's horrible and being anything else is preferable. Filled with self-loathing. Why on earth anyone would choose to enter into a relationship with her is beyond reason. Sure, I get the sex part but hell, even screwing a nug would be preferable to her. It's just sex after all and you would spare yourself all of her nonsense. A relationship should be based on something more substantial than just sex and Sera is the living example of what to avoid when looking for a girlfriend. You'd think some lesbians would have been sense.
Is so selfish to belive Lavellan would turn her back to her entire culture, just like that. Sera never turns back on what's she wants. She has to be right all the time, or she will disapproves, this is the worst kind of relationship. Even Dorian and Solas accepts you differences believes. Around Slaves or The not Vallaslin removal. And they hear your opinion.
Solas understand that Vallaslin has a different meaning now, and Dorian starts to give his house former slaves a payment for their services. They grow, Sera does not. She is that egoist/girlfriend friend that want you to do what she wants, sometimes I don’t even recruit her. Having her friendship as an elf is the hardest thing, especially if you are a mage. You can only have a healthy romance if you pretend you don’t care about how you were raised. Which is not healthy bellow the surface.
And she is so wrong about the dalish, Arianni was accepted back as before, she says that if you talk to her at the camp, and Fenriel was treat as one of the keeper apprentice. Dalish hunters fight templars, to keep him on the clan. His difficulty was culture shock, which is pretty ok. Live in big city from a life is the wood is hard, and you don’t know anyone. Dalish probably does not like city elves, because city elf bad talk the Dalish, using the humans dialogue on repeat. (Flashback to Mahariel’s father death history, city elves and humans killed him, her mother death of depression shortly after giving birth).
She is a little better in Trespasser, But the hole inquisition time was so hard. Because the is to busy being racist to elf to accept that, She will never be human enough.
super late but, my first playthrough was Lavellan and i managed to stay high approval with everyone BUT Sera... you lost a lot of approval if you simply be an 'elfy' elf. kinda crazy.
I feel like...Sera was on of the few companion's that didn't really grow? Like I think she's sweet, but she never really stuck out like other characters. She had starting a if a character arch but she herself would literally stop them. I think this is a good representation of reality, some people don't want to change, even if for the better, but for a romance option in a video game? Yeah...It just never fit. I can't think of any character in DA that didn't have a chance to change or changed over time, besides maybe Vivienne?
"she's sweet" you say, on the video where she physically threatens her partner with a weapon and berates her heritage. LMAO.
I’m curious, what happens if you’re an elf and agree with her right away? I’ve been trying to find out and haven’t gotten that far into my own playthrough. My current inquisitor doesn’t believe in the creators but is undecided about the maker, my interpretation that she appreciated the Dalish more for the nomadic lifestyle, the preservation of the language, and acceptance of magic rather than religious beliefs.
Then everything is ok and the boring romance can continue.
Man, I've never flip floped on a character so much, over such a long period of time. At the end of the day, I do like her character and this scene is ironically her best, the one where she's the most childish, stubborn and insecure. This scene encapsulates her issues and why she's a bad romantic partner, especially for an elf. Ironically she's the one who's sooo wayed down by what it means to be an elf and it's sad, because that's not all on her, I'm sure no one (elf, human or dwarf) ever lets her forget it.
Her character trope is hard to pin down with how much she deflects but at the end of the day, she's a person without a tribe, she doesn't belong anywhere. So yeah to summarize, she's a good friend but she's not ready for a relationship lol.
There's a considerable list of reasons to dislike, or even hate Sera. But THIS, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. She's officially the worst character in Dragon Age Inquisition, and possibly the worst in the whole series.
that hard "FUCK." at the end
As frustrating as this is for an elven Inquisitor, is Sera wrong? Spoiler alert, no. The elven gods were just corrupt people vying for more power. There’s a line I’m going to paraphrase from Trespasser that really made me see her differently.
“And all the elves that used those fake gods to make me feel broken can shove it.” This makes sense regarding the line here that she assumes the inquisitor doesn’t think she’s smart because she doesn’t believe. All her life, she has had people belittle her, including her adopted mother who lied to her that the baker hated her because she was an elf.
All this to say, I don’t blame Sera for feeling the way she does. She wants someone who looks past her pointed ears, and this scene just proves to her that her Inky is just another Dalish making her feel like she’s not good enough.
A final thing to add, in Trespasser, she asks Lavellan if they’re alright after learning the truth behind their gods. She doesn’t do an “I told you so” even after all the shit she’s gotten over her beliefs from elves. She even expresses her worry for Inky in her diary too. If they answer no, she ends the conversation with “you have real people here who care about you. Please believe that.”
(This was so rambly but I’m so tired of folks being hateful to my wife 😤)
Omg thank you this is exactly how I feel too. I love Sera and I can understand where she’s coming from. Yes she has flaws and no filter but her prejudices come from a place of fear and struggle to reconcile her andrastianism. She says she wants to see what’s true for herself when she joins the inquisition. This is why she questions everything, she doesn’t straight up believe everything that happens unlike lavellan with solas.
She’s been on the receiving end of racism herself from her own kind!!!!! It’s no wonder she feels so much resentment and like she’s not good enough.
Sera shows visible signs of trauma in her behaviour. I recognise them in myself. She will push you away before you hurt her, and she gets hurt by very little because she bases her beliefs on loyalty, and anyone bertraying her trust is a liability and and immediate loss. This is a vicious cycle and keeps her from truly trusting someone and feeling at peace with the world and herself. It's very obvious that although she has her certainties at the moment, she is capable of learning and doubting. It might even take her longer to admit she made mistakes, but she gets there. Her "pride" is also emotional armour that gives her a sort of stability and security.
And the fact that so many don't see it just makes me sad, because it means a lot of people in the world are not given a chance and are seen as annoying, stubborn and hopeless because very few people can identify those traits as defense mechanisms we develop as consequence of traumatic events in our lives.
Bottom line, be patient and listen to people. Sometimes you end up helping them heal and become better human beings.
Her being correct in the end doesn't really matter. One thing about this scene specifically that bugged me was that you can't ever just express. "I don't know what precisely happened and I don't want to say what did or didn't based on what I believe." Until trespasser the Inquisitor and Sera have no way of confirming or denying anything yet Sera is all to eager to make up her mind. That's the problem. It's partially that she appears that she can't be reasoned with but the game won't let you try.
"Sera's bigotry is fine because her bigoted comments turned out to be true" is such insulting writing. I know BioWare loves the, "Racism is okay b/c the racist things people said turned out to be true" trope, but considering how many real-life disadvantaged groups gravitate toward the elves, and how many of Sera's detractors are people with past emotionally abusive relationships with partners who treated them the way Sera treats Lavellan... BioWare framing it as, "Oh, Sera badmouthing your religion/culture is fine because it IS fake, stupid, and worthless, and Sera pressuring you assimilate to the dominant religion/culture is fine because it IS objectively better, and you asking her to respect your beliefs is the same as not accepting hers," has some gross undercurrents.
I get that Sera's hurting, but so is Lavellan. I get that Sera wants to be accepted for who she is, but so does Lavellan. I get that Sera was rejected and made to feel bad for not being "elfy" enough by other elves in the past, but that doesn't excuse her rejecting or trying to make Lavellan feel bad for being "too elfy" in the present. And her turning out to be technically correct two years later doesn't change that. "Cycle of abuse," "respect goes both ways," and all that.
And yeah, "she gets better during Trespasser," but she should have been like that to begin with.
Just because she has valid points doesn't make her entitled to be toxic towards others or dish out the hurt she has been feeling outward. Toxicity and putting others down has no excuse. She is responsible for the way she treats others, regardless of anything.
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But I love these dynamic comments talking about Sera. Very fascinating, because I see both sides and I love to see both elements at work. Some people say she is poorly written but I beg to differ. Her writing and who she is fits, for better or for worse.
It has been a while, but whatever. Sera was actually one of my favorite characters due to all the hate and ignorance that she carried. I hope, and after Trespasser ending I think I'm certain that she has overcome that or is trying to.
yikes, the only thing not making sense after Mythal's temple is Sera breaking up with her girlfriend over her believing in her people's history, and people still defend her....
No kidding, and make up excuses for her, it's absurd
Everyone is in their right to end any romantic relationship for any reason, even without a reason, and they don't owe you an explanation. Thinking that a person "must" stay in a relationship with someone just cause YOU think their reasons are not "good enough" is pathetic
@@KateeAngel sorry, but I find more pathetic try to justify someone rejecting a person that supposedly loves because their culture and beliefs. For starters, Sera SHOULDNT date a Dalish, since she makes abundantly clear during the whole game about how much she despises them, even if your inky isnt Lavellan. On the other hand, is no secret for anyone nor it should be, that Lavellan is Dalish, Sera accepted to date a Dalish, so it doesnt make much sense for her to try and change Lavellan's views in the middle of the relationship (or your beliefs/culture or me) I find this toxic and borderline abusive, but perhaps you are like that too, trying to change a person you date, maybe thats why you find it acceptable, but if someone made me choose between my beliefs/culture/family or them, I'll kick them out to the moon, because thats certainly not love.
Like how her bow have no string and the arrow is floating centimeters from her left hand.
Ahh game of the year Dragon Age Inquisition...I love you, but you really got lucky in the Game Awards, really really lucky.
I loved Sera SO much. Like I know this is a game but the minute I saw her I knew I wanted to romance her crazy elfy self. I had two saves when I did this and went along with her the first time, by after saving ad coming back the next day, I just couldn't finish the game knowing my gf only wanted to be with me as an elf if I denounced me elfy faith. I miss her a lot but I can't believe her
I'll just never understand this opinion about her. I'm so unsure how people like or enjoy her character, to me she is the epitome of abuse. She reminds me so much of my ex girlfriend it haunted me ever so slightly when I tried romancing her (I'm female before someone claims I'm homophobic). In my first playthrough, I did not like her but I befriended her regardless and trust me, it made me hate her even more despite people insisting you gain a broader view of her life in doing so. And more sympathetic for her, I didn't get that though.
She's abusive, manipulative and is the most selfish character in Inquisition. If you don't adhere to her every whim, her every opinion, then you are wrong and it's instantly an attack on her for some reason and at one point she even threatens violence to get her point across. My ex left my face permanently scarred and I could definitely imagine Sera doing the same to get her "point" across. If you do not partake in her childish games then you're just like every other Lord or lady who "punches down" even if you are the only reason the people of Thedas and it's problems are being solved, all because you didn't want to humiliate or annoy the people who are helping you achieve that through her stupid pranks.
She can't see beyond herself, to me, she's worse than Vivienne. I wouldn't be surprised if she would approve of a mass Holocaust to remove every single mage that existed or could exist. All because she can't comprehend it so therefore it must be destroyed.
What really put the last nail in the coffin for me was in the Tresspasser DLC, when she was more concerned with getting her "dick" wet with the qunari trying to kill her romanced Inquisitor. That was it. I wish I could of killed her then and there, she's disgusting and only cares about herself. I mean hell, Solas even with lowest disapproval is somehow, SOMEHOW, more compassionate than she is while the Inquisitor is quite literally dying. Even when romanced!
She's one of the most toxic romances in the entire series, and I take so much pleasure in rejecting her from the Inquisition or of I do, I do every option she doesn't like and I purposely antagonise her. I wish we had the option of killing her.
She'll never care for anyone but herself, she's always made that very clear. She's bigoted, judgemental, abusive and utterly selfish. She will have zero qualms of "sticking you with an arrow" if you don't bend down to her every opinion and mindset. Vivienne is somehow more likeable to me than Sera is.
Seeing this now, it really feels Frostbite wasn't conducive to facial animations or they lost a lot of animators when getting purchased by EA. :\
I think this was the first game they made with the frostbite engine, so I imagine they had a rather steep learning curve. I may be wrong tho.
I'm already in a relationship with Sera as Lavellan. If I break up with her can I start another one with Josephine?
I´m searching for a Dialog. After Soles dumps the Inquisitor Sear notices her red eyes and asks what happend. I played DA 3 a second time but ist seams that this time I´m not at good therms with her. Anyone noticed this dialog somewehere?
I remember only dialog about vallaselin and she says there that dalish are stupid
@@dominikapniewska9179 and she laughs at your face when you had such a bad time with the vallaslin revelation and the dump, lowlife character.
Sera broke my heart dude
You're more the fool for even trying to romance a child who refuses to grow.
This scene made me realize that Sera is either horrible girlfriend, or needs to get over her issues to stop being one. She has a bigger chip on her shoulder than Fenris did and almost as big a chip as Anders.
Either it really is deeply rooted trauma from her time as a child, or there's something else going on here that makes Sera as anti-elf as she is.
Aaah!! My ears !! I seriously can't take in her scratchy voice.
Wait but you can drink from the well and still being with sera right??
I think you can if you denounce the Dalish? It's been a while, so you may want to just google it, but I think she makes you choose between her or your Dalish heritage. This inquisitor was too proud of being Dalish to give it up, so Sera left.
Honestly, after what I saw in the temple I'd denounce being Dalish too. They *are* stuck in the past. Hell, Solas craps on the Dalish constantly too.
Solas's opinion doesn't matter on anything.
Solas is the one person in the Inquisition who you can trust that his opinion is most 'educated', or rather, most researched. He knows history and how it can give birth to myths, but he also knows how complicated complicated maters like faith can be.
Sure, he makes mistakes, but he's open enough to admit that.
He's also the one who's filled with the most lies from start to finish. He lies about everything concerning himself. He kisses up to Cassandra constantly. He derides all elves, everywhere. Makes mistakes? Jesus Christ. When he makes mistakes, he fucks up entire worlds and he tends to do it on a whim rather than have a good reason. What happened to Mythal was no justification for banishing the elf gods by creating the Veil which destroyed his own people's existence, their future and their past. That's a whopper of a mistake and after Trespasser, he's going to do it again. Big whoop. He'll own up to that too in the end. Oh wait, everyone will be dead so who will he confess to? Probably nobody.
Fuck Solas.
She really is unbearable as a character. She shows zero development unlike genuinely every other companion, every time you dont go along with exactly what she says she throws a fit and has the moral stability of a toddler. Legit the only companion i ever consider not recruiting because even if she can sometimes have good banter with the others theres not a single point in a playthrough where i want to talk to her because i know its either her way or the highway for not much benefit whatsoever. Even here she pretty much forces a breakup (after the elfy bit i dont think its sensible to make up with her) because after wading through a temple lost to time illuminating elven history like nothing in thedas can come remotely close to you dare have the audacity to be impressed by what you witnessed or give it any thought sans calling it elfy bullshit. Y u c k
So, in my canon playthrough ready for DA4 my inquisitor is a male elf mage romancing Cassandra because it’s the most lovely of romances although I’m gay af BUT the moment I told what I actually believed to Sera all she had to say was “Ok be an idiot” and I was about to throw her ass out of my organization but uh, I care too much for the inquisitor’s image in the future and how it will appear in the eyes of the “little people” so she stayed and my approval was high enough for the “good ending” but yeah.
She is kind of an ignorant and arrogant little elf who is truly just scared shitless of what she doesn’t understand because of trauma and what not.
She is a very good written character. Why? Because she is hated and loved so much lol
Too bad your inquisitor will likely just be mentioned in some codex somewhere in DA4 and not actually appear in the game.
@@bradtorville5526 this is why I did another playthrough and now my Inquisitor is a gay elf and in a relationship with Dorian.
Sera made me miss Zevran
Ahh I miss him too. I miss the old DA:0 gang.
She just makes me want to slam my head repeatedly against the wall. It's preferable to any conversation I've ever had with her.
The inquisitor wasn't even being a chauvinist dalish and she assumes the worst while the inquisitor look dumbfounded.
It should be particularly insulting to anyone running this playthrough as a Dalish female to try to Romance Sera. Shes vain, selfish, and stupid to boot. She has **NO** intention of trying to understand the intricacies of Demons, Spirits, Evanuris, and Elven Culture. On one hand, "Humans are usually bad, rich humans especially," but on the other "Elves trying to hold any sense of self are bad." Trying to romance Sera as an elven female goes as follows. Sera will accept nothing less than the absolute and utter rejection of your customs and beliefs. She's sold out the soul of her people and her justification is, "mistakes were made," as if humans up to this point haven't made equal if not greater mistakes. Yeah, I always reject Sera from my party on every playthrough.
This is why Sera is my least favorite companion with Vivienne being a close second, it doesn't matter what race you are, if your beliefs do not align with her Andraste human normative B.S. then you're the one with the problem. I cannot stand embracing ignorance and bigotry, it doesn't matter who you romance her with. Cannot stand Sera, they did a horrible job with her character.
Dawn Hyatt If they can muster up these emotions with you, then they did a GREAT job with her character. I’m honestly kind of sick of Bioware’s fan-servicing side showing up in Inquisition. It’s ridiculous to invent (what was it, nine?) romances that EVERYBODY would like. THAT is weak writing.
The place where I think they did their writing wrong was taking out the rivalmance system. That is why we cannot help her become a more open-minded person. Because this game makes us kiss everybody’s ass to be their friends.
Just like in real life, people in stories don’t have to change. Sure, it can be a mark of good writing and can make a character all the more intriguing, but it should not be done just for the sake of it. It would be very unrealistic if every single character in a story learned a “life lesson” and improved (or got worse). Also, just because Sera is (in my opinion) annoying doesn’t mean that she is a badly written character. She is deceptively complex. I can understand her dislike for being told what her identity should be because of her race. I understand her frustration over many elves’ inability to let go of a past long dead. I understand her “carpe diem” attitude. I don’t have to like her though.
It's as I have said before, good and bad writing is subjective so we will just have to have a difference of opinion on these things. I don't like Viv. I think she is a shallow and inflexible character, but I do not dislike the way she was written the same way I dislike the way Sera was written. We will also have a difference of opinion on her complexity and depth, I don't find her to be all that complex or deep. Can I understand someone not wanting to be defined by a single trait? Yes. But some of the repulsive things she says about people who are not normal (Andraste worshipping human normative type normal) doesn't gel because there is no reason for it at all, nothing in her history should make her so staunchly prejudice outside of her pride cookies melodrama. Pride cookies are the deepest thing about her character and now she's all anti-elf and oh you're all dwarfy and down there (and it's not just the elven race let's be clear on that, it's anyone who is diffrent and it is hard to draw a line between not wanting to be defined by being an elf being anti just about everything that doesn't align with her very simple agenda. No connection, no trauma other than mommy lied to me let's kill everything and say horrible shit about everyone). Nothing logical in her history explains some of her prejudice remarks and behaviors. She is also the poster child for revenge fantasy a stereotype which I don't find interesting and this isn't to say that some stereotypes aren't interesting, but this one in particular I find to be uninspired. There are others that I don't particularly like, but that's a different conversation. There are a lot of reasons why I find Sera a poorly written character and as I said before my reasons are subjective because what one finds poorly written is subjective, I find her poorly written.
Dawn Hyatt I just got finished responding to someone else about how I don't hate Sera but I don't like her, and it's entirely because a simpleton clearly wrote character. Knowing she feels sorry for forcing this decision (If you break up with her) is the only development she gets and the only redeeming quality she has in the long run. But I chalk that up to poor writing as well. The only reason I hate Viv more is because Vivian matters. She has a true impact on the story of the game and she will force her will on everyone she can
"it's entirely because a simpleton clearly wrote character"
Which is one of the reasons I cite for why I don't like her character, because at the end of the day she's just poorly written imo. Trust me when I say I blame Kristjanson more than I blame the actual character, but that doesn't make her any more tolerable and it is the main reason I find her so intolerable and I don't take her anywhere. What gets me the most is that she had so much potential and it was squandered for stereotypes and awful tropes. I also hate Viv with the passion of 1000 burning suns, but the only thing that makes her marginally better, and this is ever so slightly, is that you can flow her motives and reasons back and it makes sense. It doesn't make me like her, but it makes me understand her, I still butt heads with her because I absolutely disagree with everything she stands for. Sera I just can't understand, I can't see how pride cookies should make her act the way she does with people who fall outside of her concept of "norm" and so strongly at that.
2:40 is that The reason why she prefers girls over boys ?
No she just likes women and only women, because she likes women and not men
I'll bet she's got a collection of dildos though.
Her release trailer made her look sympathetic to elves. XD
Ironic, right? And grossly misleading.
"Makes the Dalish look like tits for living in the woods," she said to my Dalish elf 😂
Ya know seras character is very lovable , because she was basically raised and taught to not like her heritage but it causes her to be toxic to her kind(elves) but if we're being honest the elves are toxic because of their heritage, if they ever uncover the complete truth about their past who knows what types of supremacy war campaign they will go on 😂
Bruh Sera went from internalised racism to just being racist to all elves...what a shame
Sera is my least favorite companion, though she is pretty tough in dragon battles using her thousand cuts attack.
Otherwise, she's a useless, vacuous, petty, angst-ridden attention whore incapable of learning, changing or growing as a character. She was written to be a static character; something known as a pathetic wastrel.
The writers did Sera dirty. She's clearly hurting and there's no option to help her or try and assuage her fears that you think she's stupid or not worthy of being an elf or whatever.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. There's no way to help someone who just refuses to even consider what you have to say. It's either her way or nothing at all. Hard to think of her as anything but stupid and stubborn, sorry. I get that it may not be 100% her fault but she makes zero effort to grow or change or even bend on anything elvish. If plastic surgery were an option in the game, you can bet the farm she'd have her ears clipped to be more like "people".
I wish there was a way they let us help Sera with her trauma. Throughout the game all I do is sweep it on the rug maybe a little story about her past. but if you ever challenge her in anyway, she just freaks out on you. You have to agree with everything she says or she borderline wants to leave in every conversation. You don’t get to do anything else and it sucks because it kind of ruins the character because they don’t want us to at least try and help her.
I'm kinda sorry for Sera. Does this only occur if you drink the well? As an elf? Or she gets mad at you no matter what race you play as?
i dunno about qunari women, as long as you agree with her she is fine, but the moment you disagree you lose a lot of approval points from her
I get she has trauma but her mentality of "it's either us or your whole culture" is rather messed up
Man. Good thing I'm Qunari
To me Sera is so self hating, if she could shave down her ears and make them round, she would. That's like if I wouldn't try and understand my African roots because I didn't grow up in Africa. I still want to know where and how I came to be! It's a large continent with 54 countries. Even folks from my own community make fun of African stuff because they are "Americans" first. I may never understand the language or relate culturally, but I'd like to at least discover things about that half of me. I just can't with Sera, I know people have damage, but hers is not very palatable, hard to listen to.
Yeah, I get what you mean sis. I'm black but still not trying to shit on the history that came from our ancestors over in the mother land. Important shit happened, sometimes mistakes happen, name one civilization in the history of this planet that hasn't made a mistake? It's impossible. Trying to damn an entire culture because of your post-day circumstances is just ignorance. Which is exactly what Sera is doing. Strikes me as goofy but I guess that was the intent for her character. Great job Bioware, hit the nail on the head with that one.
She isn't self-hating. She hates the idea that people believe she "should" be like other elves, or she "should" like the things they like. Anyone tired of that attitude would lash out against the things which are forced upon them, sometimes too much. I am Russian, and if everyone was trying to tell me I "must" read and like Dostoevsky, I probably would start really hating Dostoevsky and any mention of him
Sera vs Merrill debate
Ahhhh geez I don't like either of them personally 🤣
A very interesting debate for certain.
Maker, she's awful. I befriend her every time, but I would never want a relationship.
Even befriending her sometimes gives me a headache. You need adults with thinking skills as companions. Not some bratty 5-year-old who just wants to play.
Even befriending her takes so much effort, it's not worth it.
That feeling when I'd prefer Sebastian or Fenris over Sera. Gosh she's annoying.
Ugh...Sera is so frustratingly annoying. She's got the sense of humor of a 12-year old and just as nuanced a worldview. It makes a lot of sense that, given any hard evidence at all that contradicts her views, she'd crumble and burry her head in the sand. Plugging her hears and going "LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU" is what a child does. At least teenagers tend to question orthodoxy, if only for the sake of rebellion.
And she has an inferiority complex to boot coupled with a total lack of self-awareness or even the slightest modicum of desire for growth and self-improvement.
I simply didn't recruit her this time, and my playthrough has been all the better for it
That's just mean!!
Can't blame her, religious people freak me out too.
I don't get her. At least Minaeve has a reason to hate the Dalish. Maybe she feels bitter she didn't grow up in that world, so prefers the one she knows as a city elf? She resents losing her heritage, and projects it onto other elves. That's my best guess.
Or she just isn't obliged to like things other elves like
It seems clear to me. She grew up surrounded by humans (including her foster mother) who discriminated against her for being an elf/other elves, and she internalized that. She has first-hand experience with Dalish elves looking down on/judging city elves for doing things their own way, which presumably gives her the same vibe as the nobles she hates (elitists acting like they're better than others). She firmly does NOT want to be a Dalish elf or identify herself with elven heritage in any capacity, and doesn't need to.
@@KateeAngel she may not like it, but she can show a little respect.
Sera is the most obnoxious and insufferable companion imo. Shit like this only confirms it.
Seras silly and all but she's got like a lot of self elf hate
Sera is toxic as fuck bro. Imagine breaking up with someone because you are a religious fanatic and the other person just had an opinion. Lavellan wasnt even admitting to believing in all of the elvhen gods she just commented on how perhaps the ruins held some truth...
I do everything in my power to piss off vivienne and sera in almost every playthrough. They are the most unlikable characters ever. Sera is slightly better than twatface, but still annoying as hell.
She is the Uncle Ruckus of elves
E ainda tem gente que gosta da Sera... nem da pra descrever o tipo de pesso merda que ela é. Nem dá pra falar que é uma personagem bem feita pq esse ódio pela cultura do próprio, magia e os dalishianos, é totalmente desconhecido o que faz a gente se perguntar pq sem parar. O ódio do Fenris por magos entendemos, a da Vellana pelos humanos tbm, mas a raiva da Sera por tudo oq os dalishianos representam não dá pra entender e mt menos gostar.
I know I'm a massive minority here, but I get why Sera does this. She is very obviously projecting her own insecurities onto the situation. The only experience she has with elfy elves, as she calls them, is rejection and being told she isn't good enough. Her adoptive mother literally only kept her because she was an elf and forced her to be elfy because it was "exotic". So, to Sera, elvish culture is tied to abuse and she is afraid that the inquisitor will abuse her because she isn't elfy enough just like her mother did. Yes, what she says is awful, but I also feel like her doing anything else would have been unrealistic because it wouldn't have accounted for her trauma. Honestly, there should have been more dialogue here. There should be an option to say that you aren't going to force her to be like you and that you don't have to talk about it if she doesn't want to.
finally some good fking discourse 😂 This video is like... the bane of my existence. I put it up bc I figured not many people would make these choices and might want to see how it turns out and instead it's just a hate-fest for Sera (and weirdly Vivienne) and like... ok, I can guess why you don't like THOSE TWO PARTICULAR CHARACTERS maybe be a little less obvious about it. I still get comments on it about once a month and so often it's just... gross.
@@JennBarny honestly, I didn't realize how widespread the Sera hate was until I looked at this comment section. It's a little concerning lol
I might be more forgiving if Sera were twelve but she's an adult. At some point, for her own sake, she has to try and realize that the world will not always give in and let you have your own way just because you think it's right or because something horrible happened to you. Growth is necessary. Growth is vital and key to being a fully functioning person. Sera is stunted and warped and convinced that she's unworthy of anything and demands that anyone who interacts with her agree with her self-loathing or hit the bricks. You cannot help someone who is that shut in on themselves and simply refuses to grow and change or even consider the beliefs of others.
@@bradtorville5526 but she does grow. If you talk to her during Trespasser and ask if she still has the same views she says that she doesn't and that she was wrong. She'll also grow during the main game if you give her time and patience which is, admittedly, difficult, but it can be done
That Was BULLSHIT!!
Noooo T-T
I was really annoyed by this until the part where she told you to finish her off by calling her not smart enough. She's annoying because she has so much internalized racism but it's because of people always telling her she's not good enough because she's not human and shes a city elf who doesn't know anything about her history
I know a lot of people hate on sera, but honestly she feels really real and even though I don't think she is a good character to romance but she was a really good friend to my inquisitor. Always there to preventing her from spiraling down into impostor syndrome.
A really good friend so long as you agree with her on everything anti-elven and don't use any magic anywhere near her. She has the emotional development of a 5 year old throwing tantrums whenever she doesn't get her way.
Why everything needs to explain in the dialogue. isn't redundant and super obvious that the dialogue will go into break up? why the game needs to elaborate even further? you can CLEARLY see a broken heart. does bioware thinks the players has 20 IQ or something?
Well they did expect Sera to be a romantic character. They had to expect low IQ from some players who'd find this relationship desirable.
Good thing I never liked her
Sera is the most despicable character, so judgmental, violent and stupid.
I honestly hate Sera's romance in general, but even more so with Lavellan. It's so goddamn toxic. Just shitting all over your significant other's culture left and right?
Her writing was just awful. She goes through absolutely no character development and the fact that she breaks up with you when you disagree about the Mythal stuff is fucking ridiculous. At no point is there ever any "agree to disagree" option. Her writer was just incompetent and I hope he stays away from any DA4 companions, given that his track record also includes Jacob and Liam. I like Liam and he's not as boring as Jacob, but he's still pretty bland compared to other squad members.
Judging by this comment section, I think I'm the only one left who loves Sera
Nah I still like her a lot. This is pretty shitty of her though, even though I get why she does it.
@@SaintMarianne Oh wow, I'm not alone -
But then again she has always said elfy stuff is not her thing... Even though she seems to know a whole lot of stuff about them
No O, even you don’t love her. You might think she’s hot but when she threatens your life just because “Sera” even you don’t love her anymore. It’s easy to SAY you do, but if she actually threatens to murder you FOR NO GOD XXXXXX reason irl, yeahhhhhhhh. I don’t believe you.
I don't love her but I definitely see the internal pain she's dealing with and I respect the different viewpoints that are out there.
Just curious as to why you love her. What's the appeal? That she has the emotional range of a five-year-old?
You need to be chaotic good to get along with Sera. If you're the more lawful type, or the villain type, romance someone else.
It also helps to be as developmentally challenged as possible.
This game is so dumb. Sera embodies it
This is why I can't romance Sera as an elf. This response of hers is ridiculous, childish, and disrespectful. She'd seriously rather end what could've been a wonderful relationship than accept that her partner has different religious beliefs. It's almost racist. I want to like Sera, and I want to respect her. She grew up hating who she was, and she can't look past it, and that's really sad and unfortunate. But Lavellan didn't make her feel that way. She has internalized her hate for her race, and she can't put it down even for someone she cares about.
What happened at the temple was true, not lies and not demons, and her wishing that wasn't the case doesn't make it any less true. She needs to get over herself. If we see her in the next game, I hope she'll have grown up.
jeez, the amounta peeps that want some kinda perfection or growth out of a character, just enjoy them for how they are, otherwise characters would just end up overly agreeable and unproblematic cardboard copies of eachother
You can only get so much enjoyment from a conversation with a five-year-old. Eventually a child will grow up. Sera never will so how best to enjoy Sera? Not recruit her ass in the first place.
sera had soooo much potential to be a great character and great romance :^( like some of her lines here were implying this self-loathing she has over not fitting the "elfy" mold. like, she wants to, and she's insecure that she doesn't. and her friggin guardian raised her to hate herself for being an elf. like there's so many ways her character could have grown from being in a romance with an elven inquisitor/elf supporting inquisitor.
but instead it's... disagree with her, and end the romance, end her character development... like, wow. that's garbage writing at it's finest. and, to be honest, i think they realized they went a little too internalized homophobia with dorian and tried to go a different direction with sera, but instead ending up creating this monster of a euphemism elf-phobe. she could've been one of dragon age's best romances easily :^/ it's such a shame.
Nope, she never had that potential. She's far too immature and stubborn to grow even a tiny bit.
I really don’t like Sera. I remember playing this game as a freshman in high school and I used to love Sera. I thought she was so quirky. Then as I kept playing I just…Ugha I want to like her again but I can’t.
I hate Será forma this