The "jungle carbine" got its name because troops who were issued it during the malay emergency were fighting mostly in the jungle (thats a given). The No.5 was originally designed as a paratroopers rifle and were supposed to be issued during operation market garden but too few were made that most of the brits were stuck with the No.4's.
I'm not an expert on Lee Enfield carbines, but that is an unusual action for a "jungle carbine". I understand they were typically fitted with the No. IV action, but this one has a No. III action, by the look of it, though not completely identical (the safety is different). It's a fascinating rifle.
You mean the Enfield No1 Mk III* action? No, the No1 actions all had the rear sight on the barrel. Starting with the original No4 MK1 the rear sight moves to the rear of the receiver as it is here on this No5. UK arsenals were not producing the No1 MKIII* rifle in 1945. It is not possible to fit the No4's sight to the No1's receiver without extensive welding, something I do not advise.
I received a true no5 from my father in law he picked it up off the ground in ww2 he told me the stock was cut down do to so many younger kids lying about their age it is missing flash guard and top barrel stock so I can see the uncovered cuts on thicker part of barrel just got it out of gun cabnet and thought I would look it up THANKS FOR THE INPUT MIKE
I also own one of these. Mine was manufactured by BSA. It is all numbers matching, unfortunately a previous owner decided to shellac the entire rifle, fingerprints included. Mine, on the stock band is stamped England which I have learned is the export mark. However there is no import mark? I really enjoy this rifle and it has a special place in my safe.
The " wandering zero" story's came about from people shooting badly worn carbines, or simply didn't take the time to learn the weapon. I shot thousands of rounds out of mine and never had any problems even when I shot enough to get the barrel hot.
Very nice No5 I for one would not mind owning a "fake" No5 as long as its a well executed changeover and the gun is in good overall condition. I intend to hunt after one when I finish my VZ24, k98, 1891 Argentine and .308/VZ24 sporter projects. A No5 will make a nice effective brush gun with classic styling and craftsmanship.
There are a lot of accurate rifles out there, the K98k is fair to good when it comes to accuracy. It tends to outshine most Soviet issued Mosins in that category, but falls short when up against something like the Finn M39. The Enfield is another rifle I have found to be overall a more accurate shooter than your average K98k. The most accurate shooting Mauser by far that I have ever shot would be the US M1903, and A3 rifles, yes, when you boil it down they are Mauser's. Seems the US Springfield arsenal liked the design so much that they just plain stole it in 1903. Mauser took exception to this and brought a lawsuit, and won it, the arsenal had to pay royalties for the use of that charger clip loading system among other things. Like any rifle wear will have an effect on accuracy, some rifles see little use, while others had 30 years of combat. The No5 was never known for it's accuracy, in fact there were persistent rumors of a wandering zero for years, something I have never experienced with my carbine. If it is used within the ranges a carbine is expected to perform in then there are no problems, if you want to try 600 yard head shots then this is not the weapon to be using unless you intend to depend on sheer luck.
I don't recall at the moment, I haven't had it out in a few years, and it's currently stored away. I never had the micrometer on any of them, just checked the headspace, if good then I left it at that. The No5 is unissued or very close to it, the only use it seems to have had is range time here in the states. The 0 head is likely what's on there.
The problems start when someone tries to turn a No4 into a fake carbine using the parts kits. This is why you must take care when you shop for these carbines.
The one sure fire way to know you have the real No5, remove the handguard, look at the barrel were it joins to the receiver. The #4 rifle this area is smooth and round, on the no5 it has a series of shallow scallops cut out of the metal to help lighten the weapon. Only the No5 has this, and none of the fake's do. From what I can see your rifle looks like the real deal, so far as I know none of the fakes were sold outside of the US, it's a nice looking rifle you have .
At 2:20 there are stamps on the barrel: 2.222", 18.5 Tons Per Sq. Inch. What do they mean? Real No 5 have numbers on side of receiver etched in and not stamped as yours does.
Proof test required by the British government on all firearms. Real number 5's also have stamped numbers, that's just how the proof marks are put on, mine is undeniably the real deal with all the lightening cuts in place. In any event, when I bought it the price of these wasn't worth faking yet, and the fakes never go to the trouble of the lightening cuts, it would be cost prohibitive. The etched marks are the manufacturer and rifle type marking, date and so on, the stamped markings are put on during production, inspection markings, proof test, that sort of thing.
@@RockIsland1913 Any idea what the Proof Numbers mean? I was informed that the "18.5" means barrel length. Do you agree? Just to clarify, I realize yours is the real deal but I was informed from another source that N05's serial and model numbers "only" were etched as yours are.......... Mine has been in storage for 45 years and have to get it out shooting this year..........
It's been around 30 years since I last looked up what the proof marks meant. I don't recall it being barrel length, I think it was a measurement of pressure. I don't remember the math, not that math was ever my strong suit. I don't have my old Enfield books with me at the moment to look it all up again, and relying on my memory is probably not a good idea. The proof is UK law, but not required here.
@@RockIsland1913 I'm going to go out on a limb here but if the pressure is 18.5 tons/sq inch that would equal 37,000 lbs per sq inch which could be a reasonable number for chamber pressure. Your thoughts?
.30-06 chamber pressure can go as high as 60,000 psi max, normal operating in the 50,000-52,000 range. 37,000 psi for .303 seems a bit low for a proof load, but they do measure things differently than our SAMMI specs. I did find this message board explanation, but I have no idea if the poster knew what they were talking about. www.enfield-rifles.com/british-system-of-chamber-pressure-measurement_topic10711_post123668.html
Great video w/ accurate information . A beautiful piece of history ! Thank you for sharing.
The "jungle carbine" got its name because troops who were issued it during the malay emergency were fighting mostly in the jungle (thats a given). The No.5 was originally designed as a paratroopers rifle and were supposed to be issued during operation market garden but too few were made that most of the brits were stuck with the No.4's.
Very nice rifle. I'm fixing to buy two of these. One for me and one for my Enfield loving son. Thanks for the great video my friend!
The nicest stock I've ever seen on a Jungle Carbine. Very nice rifle!
I have a 1945 BSA; yours is in beautiful condition! They are definitely not getting easier to find. Thanks for sharing!
I'm not an expert on Lee Enfield carbines, but that is an unusual action for a "jungle carbine". I understand they were typically fitted with the No. IV action, but this one has a No. III action, by the look of it, though not completely identical (the safety is different). It's a fascinating rifle.
You mean the Enfield No1 Mk III* action? No, the No1 actions all had the rear sight on the barrel. Starting with the original No4 MK1 the rear sight moves to the rear of the receiver as it is here on this No5. UK arsenals were not producing the No1 MKIII* rifle in 1945. It is not possible to fit the No4's sight to the No1's receiver without extensive welding, something I do not advise.
I received a true no5 from my father in law he picked it up off the ground in ww2 he told me the stock was cut down do to so many younger kids lying about their age it is missing flash guard and top barrel stock so I can see the uncovered cuts on thicker part of barrel just got it out of gun cabnet and thought I would look it up THANKS FOR THE INPUT MIKE
I also own one of these. Mine was manufactured by BSA. It is all numbers matching, unfortunately a previous owner decided to shellac the entire rifle, fingerprints included.
Mine, on the stock band is stamped England which I have learned is the export mark. However there is no import mark?
I really enjoy this rifle and it has a special place in my safe.
My life's dream is to own one of these. Along with a Mauser 98K because that gun is deadly accurate.
Nice rifle sir. I just recently picked up a ROF dated June 1946. It too is plenty accurate. The "wandering zero" story is pretty much B.S.
The " wandering zero" story's came about from people shooting badly worn carbines, or simply didn't take the time to learn the weapon. I shot thousands of rounds out of mine and never had any problems even when I shot enough to get the barrel hot.
Nice sniper grips... And very nice rifle..!
Very nice No5
I for one would not mind owning a "fake" No5 as long as its a well executed changeover and the gun is in good overall condition. I intend to hunt after one when I finish my VZ24, k98, 1891 Argentine and .308/VZ24 sporter projects.
A No5 will make a nice effective brush gun with classic styling and craftsmanship.
There are a lot of accurate rifles out there, the K98k is fair to good when it comes to accuracy. It tends to outshine most Soviet issued Mosins in that category, but falls short when up against something like the Finn M39. The Enfield is another rifle I have found to be overall a more accurate shooter than your average K98k. The most accurate shooting Mauser by far that I have ever shot would be the US M1903, and A3 rifles, yes, when you boil it down they are Mauser's. Seems the US Springfield arsenal liked the design so much that they just plain stole it in 1903. Mauser took exception to this and brought a lawsuit, and won it, the arsenal had to pay royalties for the use of that charger clip loading system among other things. Like any rifle wear will have an effect on accuracy, some rifles see little use, while others had 30 years of combat. The No5 was never known for it's accuracy, in fact there were persistent rumors of a wandering zero for years, something I have never experienced with my carbine. If it is used within the ranges a carbine is expected to perform in then there are no problems, if you want to try 600 yard head shots then this is not the weapon to be using unless you intend to depend on sheer luck.
You should try a Swedish Mauser.
My carbine was made a month before yours.
What number bolthead?
I don't recall at the moment, I haven't had it out in a few years, and it's currently stored away. I never had the micrometer on any of them, just checked the headspace, if good then I left it at that. The No5 is unissued or very close to it, the only use it seems to have had is range time here in the states. The 0 head is likely what's on there.
The problems start when someone tries to turn a No4 into a fake carbine using the parts kits. This is why you must take care when you shop for these carbines.
The one sure fire way to know you have the real No5, remove the handguard, look at the barrel were it joins to the receiver. The #4 rifle this area is smooth and round, on the no5 it has a series of shallow scallops cut out of the metal to help lighten the weapon. Only the No5 has this, and none of the fake's do. From what I can see your rifle looks like the real deal, so far as I know none of the fakes were sold outside of the US, it's a nice looking rifle you have .
At 2:20 there are stamps on the barrel: 2.222", 18.5 Tons Per Sq. Inch. What do they mean? Real No 5 have numbers on side of receiver etched in and not stamped as yours does.
Proof test required by the British government on all firearms. Real number 5's also have stamped numbers, that's just how the proof marks are put on, mine is undeniably the real deal with all the lightening cuts in place. In any event, when I bought it the price of these wasn't worth faking yet, and the fakes never go to the trouble of the lightening cuts, it would be cost prohibitive. The etched marks are the manufacturer and rifle type marking, date and so on, the stamped markings are put on during production, inspection markings, proof test, that sort of thing.
@@RockIsland1913 Any idea what the Proof Numbers mean? I was informed that the "18.5" means barrel length. Do you agree?
Just to clarify, I realize yours is the real deal but I was informed from another source that N05's serial and model numbers "only" were etched as yours are.......... Mine has been in storage for 45 years and have to get it out shooting this year..........
It's been around 30 years since I last looked up what the proof marks meant. I don't recall it being barrel length, I think it was a measurement of pressure. I don't remember the math, not that math was ever my strong suit. I don't have my old Enfield books with me at the moment to look it all up again, and relying on my memory is probably not a good idea. The proof is UK law, but not required here.
@@RockIsland1913 I'm going to go out on a limb here but if the pressure is 18.5 tons/sq inch that would equal 37,000 lbs per sq inch which could be a reasonable number for chamber pressure. Your thoughts?
.30-06 chamber pressure can go as high as 60,000 psi max, normal operating in the 50,000-52,000 range. 37,000 psi for .303 seems a bit low for a proof load, but they do measure things differently than our SAMMI specs. I did find this message board explanation, but I have no idea if the poster knew what they were talking about.
www.enfield-rifles.com/british-system-of-chamber-pressure-measurement_topic10711_post123668.html
yes smart alec
just picked one of these up for $50! its the real deal too, did i get it for a good price?
i havent fired it yet
Fifty bucks would have been a good price in 1975, in 2015 it's a fantastic price, very good deal.
fuckin rights....thanks mang!!!
that's a good price a friend of mine give me mine
where the hell did u go to find this for 50 bucks
Rocky Dang a guy from work...he had no clue what it was worth and neither did I...I have a video on here firing it....what a kick
How much do you want for it?
Not for sale, this one has been with me 25 years at least.
Would you sell this rifle?
He's gonna want more than $
50 for it.
Please send me this rifle.
Thank you.
Why are you wearing gloves?
Early March can have some cold days, and my arthritis doesn't care much for cold, so the gloves get worn.
I have a touch of Arthur too. Thanks for sharing.