The sad reality of Panasonic Lumix S9 debacle & influencers
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- In this video I give you Vahagraphy's Angle. My views on the new Panasonic Lumix S9 camera and the debacle that followed with youtube photographer reviews and influencers.
Panasonic has a rich history but I'm afraid that is where they are destined, HISTORY. I hope not.
I discuss the latest Panasonic Lumix S9 and what I think is next in this industry for them.
Enjoy my take on this and comment below if you agree on my take or disagree. I will like to know. Remember. these are my views and opinions only.
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What staggers me is that now this is belatedly being called out, the influences are defending what they do, playing it down, and failing to acknowledge the basic corruption in what they do.
the ones that felt attacked without being named uncovered themselves as the worst snakes lmao
YT has been flodded with S9 reviews recently .Would not trust any review from theses guys walking around Japan with a S9
So of the videos I saw were kind of fair. :)
they all lied about the camera. None of them tell what that camera cannot do
Influencers absolutely suck.
Yes, nowadays they are more like paid salesman then influencers/reviewers/teachers. I used to learn a lot from all these guys who turned into salesman and now they don"t teach anything to us, only making ads for shit electronics for money, and trips.
i can spot them a mile away. I used to sell Mercedes.
So uou would be great at being an influencer as you can sell profucts @@Vahagraphy
Good morning, I know some of these people.... I use Lumix cameras, and like anything in life, nothing is perfect,, Բարի լույս, Vahagan.
Nothing is perfect only GOD. :)
Well done. You told those shyster channels. As for Panasonic, cameras is a small part of their business. They are not going bust any time soon.
I heard they still rock when it comes to broadcast gear. glad you enjoyed the video.
@@Vahagraphy yep. turntables and lifts too.
The Lumix S line has been and is a success, they dominated the MFT market with the GH line for filmmakers.
The S9 marketing circus has been a work of brilliance from Panasonic.
Watch this space...
I know Gerald hasn't mentioned where his frustration came from, but if you go back and watch his "Sigma FP L" camera review, and he caca all over that camera, to the point there were parodies were created (check @ Camera conspiracies), I knew he was on demon time and some brands where not "paying up" or "being helpful" or "giving loaners for reviews", and he pushed, but they push back. You dont want to anger the gods, the people that pay the bills, this whole CZcams/Reviewer system is rigged, there are only a few small CZcamsrs giving honest reviews and they get pushed out cause the CZcams Algorithm machine doesn't push those honest reviews. It's all a big gig, the money flows from the top, not from the free viewers. You dont even have to put your conspiracy hat on to see what's going on. Great video.
big kudos for panasonic marketing department! now we seeing literally robin wong incident version 2.0 😂
for real
It got me interested in LUMIX. Im telling you. I like what they are doing. Not Kidding.
I have my dream Pana/Leica lens on its way from MPB right now. Its all I care about at the moment.
No such thing as bad publicity. S9 is going to do just fine for the crowd it was aimed at.
Its going to be fine. I feel like your jumping on the bandwagon on this one. I ain't mad at you though. 😎
Yeah, I think it has been overblown on both sides. If the s9 had a hot shoe and a mechanical shutter I would have had one first thing at full price. Now I'll wait for a sale. It's like an easy to use (and cheaper) Sigma fp.
Hey V what you have reminded me about Svhs and MX50 ahh those were the days of camcorders. Now all that concieved into the iPhone and android. Panasonic has been pioneer in the tech. Lumix are not bad but as you said they have to bring some pro models out to stay afloat. Great video!🤟😅
Sir your delivery is awesome. Do you read through the teleprompter or just practice? Or just wing it? Thanks!
Most of the time I wing it. These Vahagraphy ANGLE 5 minute piece I did you a teleprompter. I fully wrote the piece before hand. All Human and never no AI BS. lol
@@Vahagraphy thanks! Im a starting youtuber and im thinking if a teleprompter can help me better I get brainfog whenever I do talk
@@cyb try those ipad apps. ithey are cool.
@@Vahagraphy what are those ipad apps sir do you mean the teleprompter apps or some other apps im not familiar with?
I agree with your take on the Lumix influencers. It's hard to find honest, not paid for reviews of Lumix cameras, but Sony has always been the king of strongarming influencers. I also think the S9 looks like an overpriced, under featured POS. I also agree that for most people who don't care about picture quality on anything bigger than a phone screen, phone cameras do the job as long as you never zoom in on your subjects. That said, I have a Lumix G100, and it's a great camera, especially with the 25mm prime and the 14-140mm telephoto. I recently bought the Lumix S5IIX with several good lenses, and I couldn't be happier. I can afford more expensive cameras and lenses, but Sony and Canon's offerings don't appeal to me. I've owned mid-range prosumer cameras from both brands, and they sat on the shelf a lot.
Hey Lumix, Im available to review your cameras , send me some. lol
Wow, this was very well stated. I think this is probably my favorite video on this subject (and you know how many people have made their own videos about it).
thanks Skyler. Appreciate the kind words.
As always you never disappoint.
thanks bro.
You are right. I remember the Panasonic vhs-c camcorder. It was too expensive for me so I got a Hitachi, was my first camera when I was 14. Great memories.
VHS-c ahh yah. that format died quick.
Panasonic make awesome Air Fryers my wife tells me
DO they? I need to get one.
Don't want competition for competition sake. If the market gets over saturated they all can't survive. The free market is what it is, if you want companies to just exist, that your government. The general government doesn't let failing things fail they double down and keep putting other people's money into it.
Audiences for YT camera content get the fact that the influencer is compromised by $ - we can see thru it and form our own views, as we do with all other media we consume. As for the S9, it’s going after a valid future focussed market segment … I’d buy one, use my Z30 in much the same way this camera is pitched. And the LUTs feature is a stroke of genius IMO…just saying ;-)
Great video Vahagn, you rock!
Thanks! You too!
❤
MFT is little use to me. The only reasons I spend any time with it is nostalgia, and the fact that it's a lens mount used on some black magic pocket cinema cameras that are used by our church.
The S9 is so geared toward the influencer/content creator that it's just not on my radar. No EVF, no flash option, poor supply line support, tiny batteries, too many compromises for size and price point. So, yeah, it's a cool new niche toy that doesn't apply to me.
Keep rockin man.
I love m43..but Panasonic and OM both have... so far.. not continued their GX9 (mark whatever) or the Pen F (mark whatever)...Whole reason I got into M43 way back when was the arrival of the EP1 and EPL1... Now I am back to my FF gear (a pair of original A7c and even older original A7s)...Cheers
And that's why Panasonic now have some excellent full frame cameras which are currently better than the Nikon and Canon lower price options. For some reason they are undervalued. They have the best IBIS for example and great video features with much better ergonomics. I don't even use them but I'm looking at their cameras now especially for video. Nikon has been behind Panasonic in full frame frame mirrorless until recently but it's only their higher priced cameras which have finally come up to scratch. The Z6III needs to be seriously good or they will actually hand more market to competitors like Sony or even Panasonic for that matter when it comes to video. Canon aren't quite up to scratch either yet.
Now my wife is getting the invites to the launches of new cameras haha. She doesn't even have a CZcams channel .
NIce. I'd totally go to a LUMIX vacation. Hey lumix. call me up. lol
I love your truth!
appreciate it . thank you.
4:25 - 4:32 is just classic. Film vs Digital era lol.
Yah I know. I mess up there. What I meant to say is , analog not digital.
Well everyone was saying Nikon was out of the game and look at them now. Number three with three great new cameras. I personally don't think Panasonic is out of the game. They might surprise all of us in the future. I have a Nikon Z8 and a couple of Lumix cameras. Each have there place. We shall see?
Any plans to do a review of the Panasonic S9? It looks pretty cool~
If they send me one. sure. HEY LUMIX. send me one. Do what Nikon refuses to do and Ill make a killer Honest review. If it sucks Ill say it sucks , if its any good. Ill say that too.
Well Lieca , Hasselbad are still around , as I understand it Fuji mostly has run at a loss only the Instax division reeling in the cash . I love the 100-400 & Lieca co lenses but yes the camera have lagged to far behind for too long . I understand Panasonic wanting such a camera out there , anyone watching you tube influencers will know the presence of Sony . Also the negativity towards crop sensors.
As for Mr. F1.4 & fro knows nothing I stopped watching them a long time ago, if I want to know about Sony I’ll go direct to Sony.
I also noticed even more idiotic trend at release of S9 by comparing it with Fujifilm X100VI (oranges vs apples). 9 out of the 10 videos is doing it , is it only because of one single button on that vlogging camera saying LUT or due to Panasonic instructions to remove the shadow of X100VI and make a fake competition to the most sold camera at this very moment?
Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like this camera is probably directed more towards video creators
I can see that too.
With a 10 or 15 minutes record limit!
@@liciniooliveira-becas3618 yah I saw that. ohh well, cant have it all. lol
Well like most ppl I know, i thought the camera sucked as soon as I watched the first video that mentioned it lacked a hot shoe, mechanical shutter and evf, headphone jack and 1,500usd price tag. The audience don’t give a damn about full frame quality, their shitty videos will be shown in a phone screen for a few seconds, they are fine with phones.
I love my g9
never used it. a 25 MP sensor, Should I try one?
I still have my Panasonic Omni Movie HQ SVHS 3300 Camera.... Still works!
i have nod idea what happened to all my old stuff. when I moved to still photography. I was so sick of wedding videography that I think I gave that stuff away. I honestly don't remember. I was rebelling because I was so sick of the job at that point.
Companies like Sony and Canon have rapid camera release cycles. Many influencers are reluctant to persuade their followers to move away from the 35mm format. This hesitation stems from the potential challenges that may arise from the slow introduction of medium format and micro 4/3s cameras. As a result, influencers may end up producing less content and generating less revenue.
The S9 is a vlogging camera. Made for those who want to just do vlogging videos and talk to the camera. They have no intrest in doing profissional work all they want is to promote themselves and make CZcams or Tik tok videos. Its not for profissionals that do client base jobs. Its a wonder why camera users are finding this difficult to get
I agree. How would you rate the S5II ? Who is that camera for?
@@Vahagraphy personally I use the S5ii for client work and big project's I would say that camera is for those looking to make money from Videographery. Profissional. I have watched vidoes by those who shoot weddings and client work with the S5ii. I have often said before the S9 came out Lumix don't make camera for vloggers they make them for film makers. Of course the world has become vlogging and most CZcamsrs today just want to talk to camera instead of actually standing behind the camera , hence why Lumix brought out the s9. The S9 can also be linked to the lumix lab app. Where you can do some small editing an add luts. Soon they will probably have it so you can edite vidoes in your phone to then post straight to social media. Take away the need for having to use a memory card for those who just want a good camera to vlog with and talk to.
Please keep talking about how bad the S9 is. I want to buy one.
Im actually interested in trying one out for myself. Love the open gate stuff.
Redbar for photography
The S5II is a great camera. Better than Nikon or Canon at the same price point. Sony is technically ahead with some things but handling ad quality of Sony's is bad. They fail. I use Sony mainly because up until recently, Nikon and Canon were many years behind and they are still behind. I would move to Nikon especially if they get their act together with the Z6III which they absolutely need to do or they are in trouble. I have lots of old vintage Nikon lenses and they are spectacularly good. I am actually looking at Lumix at the moment because they are seriously undervalued on the second hand market as well as their newer S5s.
You have to innovate or you die. Look at Sony and what they did years ago. They ask the community what they wanted to see changed in their cameras. They listened and kept improving. Now they are killing it.
Hello Vahagan ,
I am Nikon fan , but decided to buy Lumix S5 IIX mainly for video and filmmaking . It’s great value camera for pictures and video comparing the competition. I am planning to buy Nikon ZF soon mainly for photography as I have many F mount lenses.
S9 is disappointing camera , because is stripped down S5ii for the same price. We were expecting better camera, for better price . This was spit on the face for the Lumix fans and users.
Cheers.
Can you produce more content about ZF camera if is possible please?
It's 2 different cameras for different things. The S9 is for volggers and soical media people who want to film themselves. The S5ii/x is for profissional work. Not everyone who wants a camera wants it for doing profissional work.
Vahagan, I love how you light your room and the bokeh is nice. Moody.
thanks man, a simple LED MC RGB aperture in the back, and a GVM 80 W Bi color with a dome and grid on the side set on 5600K , ISO 100 on the camera. with the camera WB set on 5600K. double the SS depending on the Frame rate.
Sad people don’t understand the S9 😂 give it 6 to 9 months. Definitely not for everyone but useful to Social Content Creators than people imagine.
The top destination Weddings I shoot, all and I mean all the shooters are LUMIX … S Line & BlackMagic. We just shot the Biltmore with 4 S5 II & 2 S5 IIX.
The game of Shooters are hustled.
Canon & Sony has CZcams on lock using influencers to drive sales for $2500 Cameras that are sometimes unusable and have to be sidelined…..But Real World, when you simply cannot afford your electronics to overheat or have to run to grab a gimbal or miss a once in a lifetime moment …. I would challenge people’s insight.
All this just underlined to me how much of a sellout and snake Cam Mackey is.
I just searched him up and watched his S9 review. Didn't know who that was. lol Now I do thanks.
Will you invite me if I fight, piss on floor, get drunk, poop in your house during your party with your friends and family?
Regarding LUMIX I don’t agree with you. Lumix is not even 20 years old and was previously a point and shooter. With the m43 they entered in the interchangeable cameras. So they are only around 12 or 14 years in the interchangeable camera business.
Don’t forget that Leica need Panasonic to provide them the technology. Leica cameras are made and mostly by Panasonic.
Regarding the camcorder business this is not the Lumix division but another division. Panasonic is still market leader in the professional broadcast video market with Sony. Don’t confuse broadcast with the Cinema market. Most television stations uses Panasonic equipment in their studio and mobile studios for live. What you are referring with camcorders are the consumers camcorder that is not produced anymore by JVC, Sony, Canon or Panasonic. For all 4 brands the professional departments produce camcorders for the professional market to be used in ENG (Electronic News Gathering) environments. Camcorders like X -H2, X-H20 and others from Panasonic are market leaders in the ENG environments. In the broadcast space Panasonic is leader. Have you ever went to NAB show and watched the Panasonic booth. They always have the biggest and loudest booth as they are the marketleader. At IBC in Amsterdam they also have the biggest and most visited booth.
Al live events broadcasted are done mainly with Panasonic studio cameras and Fujilm lenses. Fujifilm is also big in broadcasting lenses. Don’t confuse broadcast with Cinema world. In the Cinema world Panasonic is small compared to Sony.
Photographers does not have idea of the video market, which is divided by Cinema and broadcast. Sony and Panasonic both wants to be in all 3 markets, mirrorless, Cinema and Broadcast. Sony is doing good in Cinema and mirrorless, but not in the broadcast. So don’t count that the Lumix brand will disappear.
Bruh
SUP
"lacklustre S9"...maybe you should actually THINK before you speak....The S5 2 and 2X are the bodies for people who want the bells whistles, the S9 is for us other people...GM1...NX500..NX1000..NX300..Fuji XA7.. Fuji XM1 and next will be a FF creative LutMONSTER...lol...overdone mate, Y even comment about something that you dont understand and wont buy?...You have the right to remain silent and let individuals who like SMALL...Light...FF...stabilised(very well)...able to natively mount Leica glass.ands so on, make the choice to buy or not to buy!
The S5II is great. It's interesting that some people commenting on here and possibly the video creator himself seem to have little knowledge about that camera. I'm considering using Lumix now. I use old manual focus lenses so I don't need the latest autofocus which Panasonic have fixed now anyway but I looked at the older S1 which an amazing camera for silly second hand price. The IBIS on the Lumix is superb as well. I think the problems with this S9 launch are actually created by these very talking commentators we see in this video rather than the people that went to that launch. The fanboyism in photo/video is hideous. I can move to any camera since I'm not invested in lenses. I see Lumix as actually the best option at the moment. I'm sick of Sony's low quality and failures and if Nikon don't do a serious job with the Z6III they will be in trouble at the lower end of the market. Photographers seem to have no clue about video either which is where Panasonic is really good.
The real GODZILLA is ARRI !
Never forget that the Panasonic colourspace is still used in the film industry.
The problem with your comparison is you are comparing 8 bit and 10 bit cameras.
I'll stick with LUMIX - 40 years in the industry. Phone cameras will never achieve the excellence real cameras can achieve.
Apple, with their iPhones and the Androids. Confusing statement.
Sorry meant to say. ahhhhhghh you know what i meant to say. lol
@@Vahagraphy I got you bro. I get what you say. Apple has become ‘that guy’
From a marketing perspective, Panasonic is on top of there game right now. It seems everyone is talking about the so called dead on arrival S9.
As ya'll know, I'm a 35mm film photographer so new gear doesn't matter to me too much for my own work, but I do look forward to it non the less regardless of brand because I am a camera sales man at heart.
That said!
My television is a Panny, my Blu-ray player is a Panny and guess what!? The sensor in my Olympus EM-1 and both Nikon D700s are Panny sensors.
WHY!?
Because I LOVE the color science from Panasonic. Not so much modern Panny cameras though because they use Sony sensors. I'm all about Panny sensors regardless of which camera brands are using them. A shame Panasonic no longer makes their own sensors. Mr. Albert Jimenez knows what I'm talking about.
They kinda messed up by not including Gerald. The fact that he had an objective opinion about the brand makes it look bad to not bring him in and explain the purpose and audience for the camera, in attempts to sway his opinion. It’s why Nikon keeps sending Jared gear even though he has repeatedly bashed them.
Sounds like you are just repeating what another Ytuber stated and not your own words.
They did not mess up. Panasonic just wanted highlight videos instead of review videos.
@@natureredux1957 I actually do written reviews for products and have been doing so for the past 7 years. If I was incapable of formulating an independent idea, I don’t think companies would continue to send me products. Maybe you should take the time to educate yourself more on the business side of things before commenting.
@@teohyc we will just agree to disagree.
Panasonic taking too much heat. Sony and canon are by far the worst
Gerald is the problem, not the solution.
It clearly resonated with us though
whatever he is, that rant/ video generated so much buzz for lumix. I even started watching S9 videos and Im a fan. Im liking that camera more and more. I like to root for the underdog sometimes.
@@Vahagraphy I’ll probably get one in a year or so because I can’t justify trading in my sigma fp for it.
@@Vahagraphy I think you are right about this and many people may look at Lumix now. I generally disagree with the tone of your video though. Panasonic have a very good full frame cameras with the S5II. It's currently better than Nikon or Canons offerings at the same price. Nikon has to come up with something extremely good with the Z6III or they will be beaten by Sony and in fact even Panasonic but it seems that Panasonic is a bit invisible in photography since they are known for video. I looked at an older S1 recently. That is a great camera for the silly low prices it goes for second hand. At the lower end of the market Canon and Nikon have still not got their act together. I would move to Nikon from Sony but they simply have no truly competed yet. I actually hate Sony. They are bad quality. Bad UI and high failure rate but technically they have led the market with mirrorless.
Why? They say shit they don't know anything about. Simple.
yup.
Do you know really annoys me Is the money day spending on these trips?Everyone could be a reduction in costing the camera camera.Think about it.They're spending all this money to promote their camera.And that just pushes the price of the camera up.I will never buy a lumix
what make me more angry, these kind of contents make people do a bad decision of their next camera. it’s not a bubble gum or potato chips, it cost 1500usd. this amount of money nothing for someone but i’m sure it’s huge deal of money for most of people
So you are angry at lumix because they do these trip events to market their new products but are a shill at sony and the other brands when they do it? This is a new way of marketing cameras or are you too dumb to understand it?
All the camera companies do this, so you would not be able to buy any camera if that is the case. It is cheaper to do this then spend millions of ad spend on tv when they get all this press on youtube.
Oh man, like your videos, but it’s total BS. You’re as a Nikon lover should remember times when people were saying Nikon had 2 years left as a company. I personally think s9 is cool little camera. And L alliance didn’t do never all this money to shut the business down, there’s more than Panasonic.