the leading theory nowadays is that the waves dunked her under, with the bow (front) hitting the bottom, breaking her apart. with the stern then sinking while on the surface. and also ships like that tend to be somewhat flexible to ironically not break up. as there were rigid ships that existed that sank because of their rigidity. of course she wasn't THAT flexible. the modern theory comes from the craters near the wreck comparable to those on the moon (apparently) suggesting a hard impact. the fact no one survived and there was no distress call, because if she slowly foundered they could've sent a mayday call. and there would be evidence of some attempt of escape, there were none, there was lifeboat wreckage but it seemed to have been torn off. along with the fact that the last call the fitz made being "we are holding our own" and being seemingly calm suggest a more sudden sinking. another reason is the two pieces are two close together if she had broke up and sank like in the video (ish). Yes I did just geek out on my knowledge on this ship although I did like this. and want to see more of this.
The story is it separated under water not on the surface by twisting, the bow dropped into a troph while the stern was raised up by a large wave, while a second large wave hit the bow making it dive under water
Hull was damaged on shoal and she developed a bad list. Damaged hull fractured more and more with wave action until rogue waves flooded her bridge and put her down. Anderson never let them know the rogues were coming. No way to recover after shoaling unless captain Mcsorely turned around and sheltered on lee side of Caribou Island before rogue waves hit?
Shoal theory has been debunked... she would not have made it as far as she did had that happened, vent covers missing and water getting into the holds causing more weight eventually causing it to nose dive seems way more likely
Is there a way to adjust wave frequency. The waves on the Great Lakes are substantially closer than on the oceans. Plus is there a way to put in the flex parameters Those ships are designed to flex to massive angles compared to normal ships. For instance if your walking below deck in a storm you will loose sight of the door at the other end. Very entertaining thank you
It was overloaded. Then she bottomed out at 6 fathoms shoals. Divers have found red paint from the Fitzgerald on the rocks at the shoals. After that is when McSorely said he had a port side list and was taking on water faster than the pumps could work. Then a huge wave or waves hit her and that sunk her. There' were reports of 60 foot waves that night.
Yes, she was overloaded by about 2000 tons, never should've had no more then 24000 tons payload, she was also worn out from years of record runs she made, she needed repairs badly👍✌️
@@kennyhuskisson2684 McSorely knew it too but pushed on. Had he known about the storm he probably wouldn't have gone. He didn't like the way the Fitz handled in rough seas and told a friend he hoped he was never caught in a bad storm with her. I think he knew they were going down when he said they were holding their own. Just my opinion but I think he knew.
That’s the most substantiated theory of them all. Paul Hainault, a former Michigan Tech prof, suggested a seiche caused the ship to scrape the shoal. We’ll never know. I’m always amazed that the Anderson and the Ford went back out in that crap to look for it. The Anderson is still on the lakes. The Ford was scrapped, but the wheelhouse is at Dossin Great Lakes Museum. A cool place to visit if you’re ever in Detroit.
@@JamieSmith-fz2mz I haven't been there but I've been to the other museum up at Whitefish. Been to Mariner's church in Detroit. I'm from Michigan so I've been pretty much everywhere up there lol
Thats not how thw edmund sunk thats how the carl d bradley sunk split over the water. The edmund sunk by idk water floosing the hold? The edmunds sunk by the bow and then the bow hit the botom made it split into and it still is there today...
I don't think she did that. She hit the bottom bow first you can see the marks from the bow plowing the bottom and she is around 20ft buried in the mud and that made that middle section collapse in and destroyed. The wreck doesn't lie. Put 2 to 3 larger waves hitting her stern and you will find the answer on how the Fitz sunk. I have studied the Fitz since 1979 and read the available reports and talked to Captain Cooper in the 1980s. The two pieces of the Fitz shows the steel bent in the opposite direction of you're break theory. Keep up you're hard work and tests because you never where those test may lead but get the background of the vessel first as I am sure you did some.
The Bradley stopped before it split I two, and the other ship that broke in two at the surfact had the stern sail for 5 miles. The bow hit bottom first, why thry couldn't send an SOS....and if only you could make the 25/35 waves from the stern hitting as it was in the storm
I know BeamNG drive but I'm the biggest fan of it and also bigger than the fan of thinking to murder and floating sandbox and Edmund Fitzgerald snap it's back like breaking the bones
@@teri3559 your right your not wrong but it he didn't slowed down the metal was already hurt going faster puts more strain on the structure it was a bad deal all the way around
To be clear this video is for entertainment purposes only, not for educational purposes.
the leading theory nowadays is that the waves dunked her under, with the bow (front) hitting the bottom, breaking her apart. with the stern then sinking while on the surface.
and also ships like that tend to be somewhat flexible to ironically not break up. as there were rigid ships that existed that sank because of their rigidity. of course she wasn't THAT flexible.
the modern theory comes from the craters near the wreck comparable to those on the moon (apparently) suggesting a hard impact. the fact no one survived and there was no distress call, because if she slowly foundered they could've sent a mayday call. and there would be evidence of some attempt of escape, there were none, there was lifeboat wreckage but it seemed to have been torn off. along with the fact that the last call the fitz made being "we are holding our own" and being seemingly calm suggest a more sudden sinking. another reason is the two pieces are two close together if she had broke up and sank like in the video (ish).
Yes I did just geek out on my knowledge on this ship
although I did like this. and want to see more of this.
Pilotbug that is ALOT OF TEXT
@@avocadowolf.-.6657 well I wanted to talk about it
Yes, that’s actually what happened to her
The Fitz had been consistently overloaded and over time it took its toll also loaded down to summer level in November.
The story is it separated under water not on the surface by twisting, the bow dropped into a troph while the stern was raised up by a large wave, while a second large wave hit the bow making it dive under water
In watching other videos of Edmund Fitzgerald going thru waves it's stunned to see how much the ship flexed and twisted. I had no idea they did that.
Hull was damaged on shoal and she developed a bad list. Damaged hull fractured more and more with wave action until rogue waves flooded her bridge and put her down. Anderson never let them know the rogues were coming. No way to recover after shoaling unless captain Mcsorely turned around and sheltered on lee side of Caribou Island before rogue waves hit?
Shoal theory has been debunked... she would not have made it as far as she did had that happened, vent covers missing and water getting into the holds causing more weight eventually causing it to nose dive seems way more likely
Is there a way to adjust wave frequency. The waves on the Great Lakes are substantially closer than on the oceans. Plus is there a way to put in the flex parameters Those ships are designed to flex to massive angles compared to normal ships. For instance if your walking below deck in a storm you will loose sight of the door at the other end. Very entertaining thank you
Captain Bernie Cooper’s theory is the most compelling and most likely exactly as it happened. Not this unscientific whimsical depiction.
Three massive waves hit it from the stern and drove the bow down and under as the stern lifted she snapped in two...
It was overloaded. Then she bottomed out at 6 fathoms shoals. Divers have found red paint from the Fitzgerald on the rocks at the shoals. After that is when McSorely said he had a port side list and was taking on water faster than the pumps could work. Then a huge wave or waves hit her and that sunk her. There' were reports of 60 foot waves that night.
Yes, she was overloaded by about 2000 tons, never should've had no more then 24000 tons payload, she was also worn out from years of record runs she made, she needed repairs badly👍✌️
@@kennyhuskisson2684 McSorely knew it too but pushed on. Had he known about the storm he probably wouldn't have gone. He didn't like the way the Fitz handled in rough seas and told a friend he hoped he was never caught in a bad storm with her. I think he knew they were going down when he said they were holding their own. Just my opinion but I think he knew.
@@angelwalker3260 I agree with you👍✌️
That’s the most substantiated theory of them all. Paul Hainault, a former Michigan Tech prof, suggested a seiche caused the ship to scrape the shoal. We’ll never know.
I’m always amazed that the Anderson and the Ford went back out in that crap to look for it. The Anderson is still on the lakes. The Ford was scrapped, but the wheelhouse is at Dossin Great Lakes Museum. A cool place to visit if you’re ever in Detroit.
@@JamieSmith-fz2mz I haven't been there but I've been to the other museum up at Whitefish. Been to Mariner's church in Detroit. I'm from Michigan so I've been pretty much everywhere up there lol
Thats not how thw edmund sunk thats how the carl d bradley sunk split over the water. The edmund sunk by idk water floosing the hold? The edmunds sunk by the bow and then the bow hit the botom made it split into and it still is there today...
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I don't think she did that.
She hit the bottom bow first you can see the marks from the bow plowing the bottom and she is around 20ft buried in the mud and that made that middle section collapse in and destroyed.
The wreck doesn't lie.
Put 2 to 3 larger waves hitting her stern and you will find the answer on how the Fitz sunk.
I have studied the Fitz since 1979 and read the available reports and talked to Captain Cooper in the 1980s.
The two pieces of the Fitz shows the steel bent in the opposite direction of you're break theory.
Keep up you're hard work and tests because you never where those test may lead but get the background of the vessel first as I am sure you did some.
So i Now the Edmud Fitzergerald the Front Touch the sand Of the bottom Of the Ocean the stern splits and the stern is upside down And wrecks
This was not the ocean. This was a freshwater lake.🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
@@audreyricci6383 yeah
I think it was a combination of the length of the ef, the number of waves and the water filling in it
But also u gotta realize Trent that she had many yrs of service
The Bradley stopped before it split I two, and the other ship that broke in two at the surfact had the stern sail for 5 miles.
The bow hit bottom first, why thry couldn't send an SOS....and if only you could make the 25/35 waves from the stern hitting as it was in the storm
I know BeamNG drive but I'm the biggest fan of it and also bigger than the fan of thinking to murder and floating sandbox and Edmund Fitzgerald snap it's back like breaking the bones
Overloaded she sat too low in the water struck bottom main culprit was the weather if I was normal it would have put so much stress on the metal
Didn't she have an AAA section added in her middle? COOL 😎 vid!!
Makes me wonder if he hadn't slowed down if they would've made it?
It he didn't slow down I would have been worse because she was hurt
@@robertredmon6387 I would think slowing down would've allowed more water in?
@@teri3559 your right your not wrong but it he didn't slowed down the metal was already hurt going faster puts more strain on the structure it was a bad deal all the way around
but why can't I find the Edmund Fitzgerald in floating sandbox?
HONO DEI TITANIC
It's like SS Carl d. Bradley
The waves came from aft to bow. The waves would have pushed the bow down.
How do I get the model here?
Hiii
how to get that?
what is downlode link???
No a holo did it
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I’m first hahaha
Huh
Uh who
This first commenter is being very disrespectful. This sinking was terribly tragic. 29 men died that day.