BIG CUBE METHODS: REDUCTION / YAU / HOYA
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Reduction (Redux) is the most popular 5x5/6x6/7x7 method, while Yau is the most popular for 4x4, and gaining popularity in the bigger cubes. Hoya looms in the shadows. Which one is right for you?
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"Hoy-a!"
"Yau"
*HP Reduxed*
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@@trick2stab314 I GOTCHU FAM
no good, your spelling is, hmm?
This deserves more attention 😂
Lol 😂
When you drop your big cube on your foot
*YAU!*
When you step on your pyraminx
Reaper Leviathan *pain noises*
Why did I imagine Homer Simpson?
KardTrickKid Maybe if it’s a big Pyra, but those are all pillowed.
YAU
Am I the only one who has never heard of Hoya in my life
i feel you
I have heard of it because speed cube review uses it, but otherwise i wouldnt
No, you're not alone
No
I’m the second person to not know what cosmic does to a cube
Me: learned Yau first
Dylan: *no*
I first learned 4x4 from his Yau tutorial, and figured out how to solve a 5x5 using what I learned from Yau, so i guess I don't even know redux
I know all three
Edit: I like redux more unlike Felix
Oh you're right my 4x4 tutorial is Yau lol oops
J Perm it literally says FULL YAU METHOD TUTORIAL
@@legaldogecoin I would actually count 4x4 as the exception to the rule of 'learn redux first'. 4x4 is more like a 'partial' big cube. It has some but not all of the big-cube properties and has differences in solving strategy. In big cubes, the strategy is to solve each center and edge as optimally as possible. In 4x4 the edges (more obvious) and centers (less obvious) are small enough such that the strategy for solving them is to do multiple at the time, such as 3-2-3 edge pairing, or half centers, or controlling your next center half done while you finish the current one. It's the only event where is clear that Yau has the obvious advantage over redux
Not a related topic, but at you can treat Yau as an extended CFOP due to how you can mash steps together centers+cross (Yau and Hoya), edges+F2L (similar Lookahead styles, and both are mostly locked in y-only rotation fashion), parity+OLL(can control OLL using parity), parity+PLL(can 1-look all 43 cases, 44th is a PLL skip)
"hooooya" "yauuu" I'm crying-
**reduction 9 points**
SKILL ACTIVATED : HOYYYA!
YAU!
**Dylan Wang has taken 144 damages**
Its the famous riki shikato
Riki Shikato *_Dylan Wang’s HP has been reducted!_*
Lol
Cries in meyer
Vinec Chakl same
Is someone good with this method?
I think why j perm did not mention Meyer is because its in roux
@@theotimevauthier6102 lol
@@theotimevauthier6102 Vincent Wong ( kangaroux) is pretty good I think.
wow, this was a really good video. i haven't looked into either of these methods besides reduction. and your opinion section was extremely well reasoned. thanks
No one:
Literally no one:
J perm: HOYA!!!! YAU!!!!
REDUCTION!
Find an actually funny meme.
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@@chair5613 Says the guy with "Triggered" in their name.
Although I'm not saying this meme isn't overused and terrible,either.
@@dpage446 I'm sorry that my name displeases you, my liege. But that is my given christened name, and I cannot change it.
I think as cubes get bigger, centres take exponentially longer compared to edges, so you want more efficient centre solutions, which is why Yau is not as good (Edit: commented before you said this in the vid). Since Hoya and Redux have basically the same efficiency for centres, you would consider the edges - the first four edges for Hoya might be a bit less efficient, but the last eight are more than made up for with the look-ahead and lack of rotations, so I think Hoya is better than Redux. Yau is definitely best for 4x4, Hoya for 6x6 and upwards. 5x5 imo is the crossover point for which method is the best, and honestly I don't think it matters, I think both have the potential to break records. I use Yau for 4, and Hoya for 5+ :D
I wouldn't say the inefficiency of Hoya is "more than made up for" during last 8 edges. At top level that (currently) isn't true, and at a lower level it's hard to say. It certainly is possible, but there's not much evidence to suggest it's better than redux.
Also you're right with the idea of centers growing faster, but it's quadratic, not exponential :P
@@JPerm Hey I think I should use Hoya for 5x5+ because I am trash at look-ahead. Also I am trash at centers, so I don't wanna use Yau. Do you think this is a good idea?
@@JPerm Isn't quadratic and exponental same thing?
@@pinkbeast4371 no
@@pinkbeast4371 we are talking about exponential growth not quadratics since they're parabolas.
I'm so happy that you've brought Hoya into the light!!! It's awesome for 5x5-7x7. I've been using it for years and it's very under developed and the resources are slim to none these days.
There are MANY tricks and ways to pair up pieces and when you're CN with it there's much better options to take advantage of good centres and edges that are already paired up.
People have always been giving me weird looks when I tell them that's what I use....
Also for 4x4
I've been maining Hoya as a big cube method from 5x5 and above (and yes, even 10x10 😂), and I can honestly say that I've really been enjoying it, it's definitely underrated as a method and definitely should have more recognition.
Really happy that JPerm finally has covered Hoya in a video ♥️
*HOYA FTW!*
I think Hoya is pretty cool I am gonna try it for 6x6 and 7x7.
I've been using beginner method for a long time and now that Ik free slice I main on redux
Hooooooya
Hoya!. yau
free de la hoya
0:04 - 0:06
Okay, that cracked me up 😂
Also, I just noticed that the auto generated subtitles actually spelled Yau and Hoya right wtf
It probably recognizes the title
Everyone should try Hoya at least once, I think it is the most fun method of those three
he is my master he told me how to do hoya i love hoya too
hey give me message plz "kyucci"
@@JihunYang He is chineese
Hoya is great it is easier to make cross peices
J, you taught me how to solve my first ever 2x2 at age 44, I’ve caught the bug and I’ve solved everything using the beginner method up to 9x9 and all the puzzles I could find like the megaminx, mirror windmill ect. You have given me an immense sense of pride as I’ve always wanted to know how to solve the Rubik’s cube but lacked confidence in my abilities. Thanks buddy I’m now working on my speed, the 4x4 is by far my favorite. You should be proud of the joy you have spread around the world, sending respect from South Wales 🏴 x
Thank you Jperm it helps me a lot
This was explained really well!
ey java what's up
Hey J perm!
Could you do a interm./adv center building video?
Been trying to find a source explaining all patterns etc.
Your 'get faster' vid covers a lot of that for L2C but not as much for first 4
Either way, love the big cube content 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Great video JPerm! Thanks!
I switched to Hoya several years ago on all big cubes since I just couldn't get my head around the three cross pieces on the left. I guess I got too used to cross on bottom. Last four centers was also frustrating to learn especially on 5+. Hoya starts with four centers instead, so I really only had to learn solving two centers.
That said, this video made me rethink my skills. I had learned an entirely different method for 4x4 at this point (a slight variation on LEOR), yet I didn't realize that the first block would be very similar to the Yau cross.
I'd say that now, I get similar times with Yau and Hoya. Thank you for giving me the chance to reevaluate my level.
I literally was on your video about Yau5 vs Redux as you came out with this
Uploading so consistently, Dylan!
@Bumble B r/wooosh
Jk
It is Dylan
@Bumble B his real name is dylan wang
thanks this is what im waiing for.
You have the best cubing channel ever!!!
Thanks love you
I use hoya on 4x4 to 6x6, because i find it the most fun to use, specially on 5x5 and 4x4
When i was learning 4x4 on yau, i went to my first comp and i managed to borrow someone’s big cubes and the method i ‘tried’ to solve with them was yau (i had no idea what redux was since yau was the method in your 4x4 tutorial xD)
Hey JPerm, thanks, your videos are always great
Thank you as always
Hey, I hope you are happy ;)
I translated not only your description, no, also you subtitles to German for a freaking 14 minutes long video!! It took me around 6 hours! Btw, its currently 3 am German time and I started at around 21:50. Call me weird if you want or whatever idc. But I hope that it could help someone!
What's up buddy?
@@mccardrixx5289 Hey! I'm good right now.
Did you see the video on my channel where I setup the WR?
Meyer- i exist.
Jperm- *_no_*
SandyScissors98 roux gay
@@SmellMaster better than zz
@@SmellMaster how dare you
@@kootropolis1089 Watch J perm's what is the best method video
I speak the truth
I use Hoya because it makes centers more efficient which is more important for me on big cubes, plus I can be more color neutral on my F2Cs.
What he said at the end was just so good
0:04
Hoya=All cubers
YAU=Rubiks Brand
Nazire Idris this is a very accurate representation 😂
J perm: Hoyya yauuuuuu
Me: is this a drunk ninja
Are you a chicken
Yes I am a chicken
Thanks for your suggestion l was also thinking to choose YAU
Thanks J Perm !
Thanks! I broke my 5x5 PB twice today (was 3:15.something from Cubing at Home), and practiced all day big cubes. Only 4x4 and 5x5, no 3x3 (well, maybe some)
Rubikscubedude congrats on your PB :D
Wow, my PB is only 3:58
My pb 4:33
Hi Jperm, I want to say you are the best cubing CZcams ever. Also, I average like 1:15 on 4x4 using the reduction method. Should I switch to Yao?Thanks
yes
I love your videos so much fam your the one who made me learn cll in 2x2 now i can solve it in under 3 seconds thank you so much also in 3x3 the full oll and pll thanks.btw im always active in your videos im subscribed and liked your videos.......one more thing....no one cares about dis anyway i wasted my 20 seconds of typing🤣😂🤣
J Perm is a legend!!!
Hey I’m pretty good at Hoya so I feel like I have the obligation to share my opinion on the internet. Yau is best on 4x4, no doubt, I still use Yau on 4x4. 5 and up, Hoya. I would love to explain my reasoning in-depth with you but I’ll cover a few main points in this comment. During Hoya cross edges you can turn fast, really fast. Because you don’t have to complete one edge at a time and can instead do which ever edge piece is easiest. This makes look ahead ridiculously easy. Good Hoya solvers also don’t need to look at the bottom of the cube while solving cross edges, this is just something that eventually comes. I think is this video you were understating the power of Hoya’s cross edge stage. In this simile (for cross edges) Yau is like roux, low move count but slow turning and Hoya is like CFOP higher move count but faster turning. Hoya has many untapped efficiency’s which stretch far beyond Rw U’ Rw’ inserts. Which means Hoya (hopefully sometime in the near future) won’t have any draw backs in move count compared to reduction. Also sorry but your solutions were terrible, which is ok because you don’t use Hoya. Here are things I would have done differently it your cases. 5:50 before doing the D’ to reposition the cross to where the green edge needs to go you can do U2 Rw U Rw’ to ‘pair’ the pieces together then do D’ and insert. Even if you had already done the D move it’s better to do that case LUgen because it’s just faster than fancy slice moves. 6:15 what you did wasn’t bad but... F2 3R U’ 3R’. 6:41 ok admittedly I wouldn’t see this one in an actual solve but it’s still so good (regrip right thumb to bottom) B’ Rw U Lw’ U Lw Rw’ B (untapped efficiency!!!). What I probably would have done is L U’ L’ U2 Rw U Rw’ (cause I’m righty dominate) U2 M F2 M’. 7:15 what are you doing. U2 Rw U’ Rw’. Hope I didn’t miss anything. Please ask questions people of cubing CZcams I would love to answer. WCAID: 2015HIGH01. main event is 5x5 (ignore 7x7 I haven’t done that in a comp for awhile)
I was like I am gonna get big cubes
But in the thought what method would I use
And you made a video on it
Nice video BTW
Same haha
wut?
U again
@@PHCuber M e again
@@VKCUBED Hi buddy!
Dylan's voice "Hoiiya!" and "yau" made my day 😂
Pretty helpful video
This is a cringy joke that I made lol.
A Random Man: “Hey? What method do you use for 5x5?”
Ninja: “ *HOOOOOOYA* “
Cries in Meyer
I use a hybrid yau for 7x7. I do solve the 4 edges of the cross but I keep 2 on 1 side and 2 on the other side so I have two available front turns for better speed. Then before I slice edge pair I move the 2 solved edges into the correct cross pieces. It's a really good strat. Got sub 10 with edge parity with this strat on 7x7. I'd still consider myself a noob with big cubes but this strat has gotten me PB after PB.
Great video
Personally i think that Hoya is the easiest to get good with, if you have never used a big cube before. Because for me edge parring on big cubes was always hard so Hoya made it more intuitive
I started training on 4x4 thinking it would be easiest to just do centres without worrying about destroying solved edges (because I was a beginner). Till now, on 4x4 and every larger cube, I find redux the most comfortable.
Ofc I thought redux was so slow compared to the others... Until I could do beginner free slice. Now I'm happy with redux
I use both hoya and yau because i don’t like to flip the cube a lot
Hoya!
Yau!
That was funny
Nice channel😁
I use Hoya for 4x4 it is so easy and straight forward for me but there are pros and cons to the other ones and that is completely fine to me if you choose Yau or Redux :)
Dylan, what do you use to label stickers when you're looking through a skeleton in FMC? I have been using post-it notes, but they come off sometimes when i'm turning the cube and lose their stickiness very quickly. They seem to stay put in your videos. Sorry for asking a question not really related to your video, just wanted to put it on your latest so you can see it.
I use cube stickers, since I have extra sets. The adhesive lasts months of regular FMC practice before going away. I sharpie a number on and then stick a small bit of tape over it so it doesn't smudge. It's important to stick it partially off of the piece though so it's easy to take off.
J Perm thank you for the tip!
I'm glad Hoya is getting more noticed. #HoyaPowers
This is very helpful seeing as I cant choose a method (yau or redux) on 5x5.
Yes!!! I'm practicing yau
me-solving a 4 by 4 bld
got confused
says yau in irritation
After J perm uploads =
After 25 min = 25k views
That's 1k views per minute!🤯
hi jperm i am your big fan pls keep making more vids
Hi Jperm another great video!!!! Can you make an advanced pyraminx tutorial though Thanks 😊
After the coronavirus:
People: What did you do during lockdown?
You: Learned Reduction, Yau and Hoya.
People:????????????????????????????
Cubing Network 😆😆
Congrats on winning the tingman giveaway btw
What when was it 50 cube giveaway
@@maybeoptify giveaway?
@@cubingnetwork2872 gan 11
When I do 6x6 and 7x7, I solve the centers first, but instead of building random edges, I make my cross edges first so I don’t have to worry about looking at the bottom layers. So, I do reduction then Yau.
thats acc quite smart i might use that
@@Drizzz32 Nope that is dumb cuz you are restricting yourself. You can't do what is best at the moment. That is why fast yau 5x5 solvers don't use yau5 but regular yau cuz yau5 restricts your edge pairing.
Jperm I just used your discount code when i bought my cube which is epic
I’d love if you also talked about meyyer
J Perm: talks about big cube methods.
Thumbnail:4×4!!!
The Speedcuber isn’t a 4x4 considered a big cube?
@@riskia2733 I guess it's not considered .
The Speedcuber but 4x4 is a big cube
4x4 is a big cube because you solve it by reducing it to a 3x3 and then solve it like that.
But in his big cube fundamentals he included only 5x5 6x6 and 7x7
First time Dylan's joke is funny
What do you think of doing "2/3 centers" (2x3 blocks) for 5x5 Yau centers, similar to half centers on 4x4? Less efficient, but spamming only Rw/R/U moves makes lookahead insanely easy and it flows pretty well?
J Perm, making great content as usual.
It might be interesting to make a video on stickered vs. stickerless puzzles and go over the pros and cons of each.
Dylan: your wish is granted
I don’t like big cubes and don’t solve them but it’s j perm so I have to watch no matter what
J perm: First you should learn reduction method
Also J perm: Teaches yau in his beginner videos
Yeah his 4x4 tutorial is Yau
This is a off topic question, after getting a budget 5x5 and getting a pretty ok time, do I get a really good cube, another budget cube for 5x5 or buy a budget 6x6 and start 6x6?
Hello J perm! Are you ever going to do a Hoya Method tutorial? Anyway, even if you aren't, I just wanted to say your videos helped me a lot, keep up the good work! :)
2:04
J-Perm: this is a PLL
which PLL could it be when the channel is named: J-Perm
V-Perm
@@flamesfire1309 ok
S perm
@@unrealpigzgaming8014 Doesn't exist.
@@MC-nk8wr it's a joke put it all in 1 word and you'll understand
As for me,when I first learned to solve a 4x4 using redux,I averaged 3 minutes.
After I learned Yau(from jperm ofcourse) My times went down pretty much and now I average around 2minutes.
So clearly ,Yau is way better for me
On 4x4
Thank very much J Perm (Dylan) :)
Hey, Jerm I am debating getting the gan xs. I love my gan x and I tried the xs at my last comp but it was poorly set up and I hated it you think if I got my own xs and set it up to my liking would it be worth it?
*Hoya*is when beat your pb by a difference of 0.0001 sec
Jason Nguyen r/woooosh
@Jason Nguyen r/wooosh
@@elliottperkins-speedcuber6727 p
@Jason Nguyen r/woooosh
Imagine using subreddit names outside of reddit.
I had an idea for a 5x5 method: "CCFEOP"
Centers, Cross, First 4 Layers (F4L), Edges of the Last Layer (ELL), OLL, PLL. Basically, make the centers, make the cross on the bottom, make and insert the E Layer Edges with thier corners like F2L, pair up the last layer edges, then do 3x3 OLL and PLL. I like it because instead of just reducing it to a 3x3, you solve it specifically like a 5x5 and work more with the more unique types of pieces.
yeah that's super ez to pronouce
See-fee-opp
Or you could just use K4.
thx it helped out
Dylan I need help,
I recently purchased a shengshou mr m 2x2 my first and are learning Ortega on it.
Also I am learning 2 look OLL and PLL
Finally, I got a 4x4 for a celebration a couple of weeks ago and want to learn, reduction, Hoya, yau
What order should I learn them in??
Thanks , keep up the great work : )
Learn redux first then yau and then hoya
J perm forgot cAge.....
I just solved my first rubik's cube with 2:49 minutes after a very hard work and I'm very proud.
Hoya Actually Seems Fun!
I'll Use It For 6x6 And 7x7!
Hello j_perm😍😍
Excuse me. What program do you use to reduce the size of the video while the video quality is excellent?
I love your video and you❤❤😍thank you very much
0:04 don't...don't do that please JPerm xD
13:11 more like what methods Max Park uses lol
I'd like to see video about edge commutators on big cubes
Nice the hoyaa method
"if your goal is to set WR" ofc poeple will use redux lol
ImpulseRaphii For above 5x5 because it doesn’t make a difference for 5x5 and everything above is worse, but Yau is better for 4x4
For 5x5 it doesn't make a difference, you can get it with both methods
no
Nabranes TwistyPuzzler I combined redux and yau cuz I see that is easier for me
I’m bad at l4c when I use yau
MY new 3x3 method:
1. Turn the cube 20 random times.
2. If solved, you are done.
3.If not repeat.
Is it possible that by starting with hoya you would have a better time training to look ahead, and then changing to yau and so on?
J perm,can I please know which software are you using for editing videos??
I LOVE SOLVING BIG CUBES, BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME, I CAN BREAK RECORDS!!
When you wake
*YAU*
please don't stop uploading videos!
I do a sort of yau x reduction where I solve centers and then cross pieces
Relatable on redux. I had a SUPER HARD TIME finding edges.
He Dylan can you make a video on how to find own weakness
At 6:16, you should insert the single edge piece with F2 first. In general, when you have a misoriented cross piece as your first one, it's probably always a good idea to insert it with F2
I personally use the meyer method because I solve 3x3 with roux. But obviously I don't use it for 5x5 or bigger because the "M" slice is hard to do. So I only use it for 4x4^^