Complete Drywall Installation: Shop Build #27
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- Drywall installation makes a huge impact on the project. Huge thanks to Darin Sutton and to
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Thanks for all the nice comments nothing is ever perfect on construction job remember accountability is the best ability
Definitely some of the smoothest, systematic, consistent work that I've seen. You have definitely found your rhythm, technique and pace.
You've got incredible skills Darin!!! Bravo!! Definitely a master at your craft!
Awesome work Darin! Can really see that you care about your craft! Coming from a fellow hanger and finisher, would you mind sharing more about those striped butt joints? Did you run the 10 box and then fill the voids in with a 12?
My man walks on a bucket as smooth as a dancer. Absolutely Insane.
Thank you for agreeing to be on video. Master craftsmanship is a view to behold.
These drywall guys are just beasts. Nothing but mad respect for people like Darin. No matter what he charges, he’s worth every penny. Thanks for the inspiration!
I did drywall a bit as a summer job working through college and on holidays, for a large, quality drywall company. In that setting we used the machines (bazookas, boxes, angle tools). Later did some handwork (6, 8,10 and 12 inch knives) as a handyman and for DIY. Hanging drywall can be tough cause its easy to punch the screw head/nail through the paper (uh-oh nail pop). The paper is what holds it on. If you attempt this practice it first. Its best with hammers or screw guns specifically meant for drywall. Esp. true for hammers. Hold the sheet FIRMLY against the framing before fastening it (another source of nail pops). Ceilings are hardest. Do ceilings first. Please use 5/8" on ceilings.
Finishing is an art unto itself.
One key to finishing: Know when to stop. Each of the three layers (tape, 1st coat and finish coat) can only achieve so much. Learn when to stop messing with it and when to wait for the next coat. This is especially true if you are finishing by hand with knives. Despite the limitations of each layer a good finisher will leave very little sanding after the final coat. Too much sanding will scuff your paper. (Dont scuff your paper.)
Second key: Use the right mud. Multi-purpose for taping; topping compound for finishing. True topping compound is hard to find in some retail stores because most consumers don't know it exists, and end up scuffing up their paper and ruining the future paint job by trying to sand the very tough multi-purpose compound they used for finishing. This is why a lot of DIY rooms end up getting textured. Topping compound has less vinyl (i.e. "glue) so it isn't any good for laying the tape, but it has more filler, which makes it shrink less and sand more easily. Not a fan of the new "light weight" topping compound. There have been times in my life where the only source for 1-bucket quantities of good topping compound was a large drywall contractor. Most compounds need a little water for workability and they all need thorough mixing to break down the vinyl carrier that has setup while its stored in the can. Be careful though. More water = more shrinkage.
Third tip: what Darren said is true. Leave some mud under the tape so that it doesnt bubble up or peel loose a year later. This is not Elmers glue. It is a bedding compound for the tape. Not everyone is capable of sensing the difference. I've met very experienced, capable handymen/small contractors who can't feel the difference when they squeeze the mud out from under the tape and have bubbled and peeling tape emerge a few months later. When you're starting out it doesnt hurt to gently cut and lift the wet, newly laid tape in a few spots to verify that you're leaving a bed of mud underneath. Checking like this does mess up that spot a bit during this first layer but it's better than having tape come lose in spots a year later.
Lastly: a key challenge in drywall finishing is keeping dried crumbly bits (we call them bugs) from getting in the smooth wet finished work. Thats why Darren immediately wiped the excess off the top edge of the bucket with a wet sponge. This involves habits learned over time. Drywall finishing can be a little like concrete in that laying down too much wet mud on a hot day will kick your tail as the thin edges start to dry. Be careful how many strips you coat before coming back to feather the edge. Similarly, learn to constantly seggregate the mud in your pan to keep the "bugs" out of your work. Esp. when you are handworking with knives. 'Bugs' presents different types of challenges using machines like bazookas and boxes. Typically non-professionals arent going to be investing in these types of machines. The machines are a learned skill unto themselves.
Drywall finishing is not a typical task for a DYI'er. When I worked for a company we once got a job drywalling an upper floor someone was living in because they had originally thought doing their own finishing was a way to save money. Drywalling is probably the messiest of trades and drywalling a house people are living in is expensive. Some people do have the patience, and the sense of touch to learn how to hang sheetrock in a way that will not drive up the cost of finishing. They learn not to shatter that fragile gypsum core and to gently sink the nail or screw just below the surface without busting/tearing the paper at the edges of the screwhead. If one is determined to take on drywalling as a DIY project - not patching a hole but finishing an actual room or house addition - I would advise you to practice first on a closet or a shed. That alone won't teach you to drywall, but it might tell you whether or not learning this as you go is your cup of tea. The most difficult drywall work I have ever done - by far - involved piecemeal trowelling layers of topping compound over painted lumpy, heavily sanded, DYI drywalling to get it somewhat flat and square.
I am far from being an expert, but hopefully this is helpful to someone and hopefully it gives you some sense of the mindset and skills involved in this kind of work. Drywall almost completely replaced residential plaster because it allows a very skilled craftsman to cover a lot of ground. It probably takes 18 to 24 months to get some beginning sense of what thats about as a professional. Head smarts are helpful but some of it is learning timing, materials and a feel of the hand. There's probably a reason that the Essential Craftsman hired a sub for this part. Nevertheless, I have found the sense of working with flowable materials and the sense of timing that you pick up after doing this work for while to be useful. I'm sure there are a few small contractors successfully do this work themselves, though Ive not seen it. If you have to try this, practice first and see if you can master the art of long smooth strokes applying the right material at the right wetness, coming back to feather the edge and not touching it again after that. That last part is the hardest.
Good luck. Be well.
Super post
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I had the same experience you did when I was younger. I learned I had the touch but many don't. Everything you said is spot on. The big box stores are sorely lacking in mud options. Also, different parts of the country have different products too.
The head of the nail definitely holds drywall better than a screw cheap Chinese screws always break off or blow through the rock if you’re not very very careful which doesn’t happen when you’re going to hundred miles an hour to see how fast you can put up drywall✅✅✅✅✅✅
You are surrounded by generous contractors. They take the time to talk to us through your camera. We all know time is money. But it’s super fun hearing from experts that you know. And the thing about experts…. Man do they make it look easy. Thanks for every bit of it.
Absolutely loved Darrin's use of the 5-gallon bucket as his step-up stool & how he walks it!
Terrifying. Not for rookies or DIY. Drywallers only.
@@procrastinator41 and painters lol. i run around doing heaps of paint prep doing the same thing as this guy, when moving quick it takes too long to set up step ladders or planks
OSHA says ‘no’. Workers say ‘go’. Don’t get in these fellas way, for sure. I loved watching the workers in China walk bamboo ladders like stilts.
Yup. The bucket works great. When the job got bigger, I strapped on the stilts.
I spend most of my time on four foot ladders. You can walk them across the floor or grab the joists and move the ladder with your legs.
Well darn. A (reasonably) sober drywall guy. They do exist.
😂
Drywall nail pops are usually caused by framing lumber with too high of a moisture content. As it dries, the nails tend to pop.
Nails .... lol
I have a house from the 70s. I have been doing a lot of drywall work on it and the only real nail issues I have found are on the ceiling. The nails on the wall are still very strong. I'm still using screws with the new drywall.
@@trevormcnutt9756 Not so fast. I have seen lots of screws pop too. Mostly from new guys that think a deeper screw is better. So don't be so fast to blame nail pops on nails. I have seen a lot on uplift on trusses too. But that is a different issue.
@@greatitbrokeYup. Only rarely is anything so simple it can't be done wrong.
@@martinpoulsen6564 Good quote
I’ve been in the construction industry for 50 plus years. I always appreciated a sub contractor that cleaned up after himself. It shows that he takes his trade seriously. A lot don’t anymore. They just want the $$$.
Electricians are the worst, they think someone is supposed to follow them around and sweep up all the cut offs and the insulation they strip off. It should be included in the price of the job.
I knew a guy who would actually get permission (from who I don't know) to follow the electricians working for a large electrical contractor to sweep up their "leavings". There was a lot of good copper and aluminum fit for recycling $$.
@@Hoaxer51 I would much rather pay a laborer to pick up waste, then have an electrician doing it at journeyman wages.
@@danloran, My point wasn’t about paying someone extra, the point is cleaning up after yourself and not expecting someone else to do it for you. I’ve worked construction my whole life and most subs cleanup the mess that they make whether it’s big commercial jobs or just home improvement jobs. Even roofers for the mess they make will cleanup after themselves to the point that they’ll run a big magnet over the ground to pickup any loose nails that they missed. Cleanup should be part of the bid to do a job and for everyone, not just the few who take pride in their work.
this guy is great and knows his art, bravo. I've been hanging and taping rock for over 30 years, we tack up our sheets with nails and glue than follow with zip and screws
I been drywall 15 years it’s rare that a framer hangs and tapes! Great work fellas
Darrin is an artist. I've never done drywall for myself where I was 100% satisfied with the results. I could never get it perfect. Darrin's work is perfect from what I can see.
It's always a treat to watch craftsmen ply their trade. I don't care what it is. Just watching that dude walk that bucket along the scaffolding was extra. And I always respect a guy that will mud & tape his own boarding! That's hard wired integrity right there. Great work.
Scott, i'm watching this, after a quick cold beer, after a long very hot and hard day laying drains and concrete on a nice remodel.
Working with my son and really putting in a full shift. The feeling of satisfaction when I got in the van for the drive home knowing i'd got everything done that had to be done, got the job set right for next week, paid everyone else their money and earnt my place at the table. It can't be beaten.
A well oiled crew is a precious commodity. The bantering that goes back-and-forth tighten us as a group. People can go their whole life and not have that. I have been fortunate enough to have that on every crew I've ever worked. And, as I grew into leadership spots, either military or construction. That is something that is just so precious. You can't even describe when people ask me what I do, I tell them I work, and that is what makes me happy.
No battery change with nails.I like it.
I definitely appreciate drywall work bc I can never get those lines to disappear, and my dad makes it look like walking.
you contract with some of the best subs i have ever seen. like you said, a good sub cleans up after himself and leaves the site ready for the next sub to come in and get straight to work. nothing sucks more than starting work at a site and having to clean up the previous crew's mess before you can get started. i wish more subs understood this. keep up the good work.
Good luck to all the rotator cuffs involved in the making of this video
Drywall is where my skills lie best. Growing up in construction and remodel work. I've done all plumbing, electrical, framing, insulation, HVAC, drywall, and finishing.
My loves are electrical and drywall. When I drywall a room, job, my walls are flat, perfect, lines, lol. Those guys so young, having that passion, they are a great team.
Darrin is worth every penny he charges with attention to detail and looks like a top quality job. Good Job Darrin!
My preference with corner bead is to use the coved type on all vertical corners that people walk near. Fewer dinged elbows, fewer incidents of paint chipped off from moving furniture, using wheeled dollys or carrying boxes, etc. This was educational for me. I'm getting ready to drywall a 4 bedroom house and have always figured screws were best but I'm going to use nails this time. I'll probably use screws on the ceilings.
To watch the ballet on the bucket was worth the watch. Even when younger I could not have done that trick.
Drywall Doctor (in his 60's I think) does this.
Bucket walking, awesome!
Bucket walking on a narrow plank over stairs … omg… 😮
Loved seeing the giant mud box in use. My introduction to drywall was in Nebraska, 1978. As a carpenter we formed the foundation wall for 1000 lineal feet for an addition to an electronics plant. After no work all winter (too much snow and cold) I was hired by the plant to drywall all the interior walls (1000'x12') 5/8 rock plus all the interior offices and rooms. I had to get good at hanging and finishing real fast.
Oof. Kudos to you. 5/8 is no joke. Those sheets will wind you real fast. Massive respect to whoever invented the drywall lift
The 4’x12’x 5/8” those guys are slinging is about 110 lbs a sheet. They come papered together in pairs (220 lbs)
Nail pops (or the lack thereof) have everything to do with the flatness of the framing. Since Scott framed it, the framing is all true and flat, thus few to no nail pops.
I was a professional hanger for fifteen years. Heck I still nail everything. It works fine.
Awesome work, always love to watch essential craftsman for that reason, Thank you to all involved...a great job 👍
He makes running a mud box look easy. I love the explanation around the taper setting!
My house was built in 90' and whoever did the drywall used nails. The interior is still fine, but the garage is where you see a case where you might want to consider screws. We removed the garage door b/c it was unbearable in the FL heat/humidity, and we noticed it was the only place where we could see the nails being slowly pushed out, especially on the ceiling. I would assume its going through a lot more temp change than the interior drywall/studs (also no insulation around the studs in garage on some walls) and as wood expands/contracts it tends to back the nails out slowly over time. I built piers for a while and screws are far superior b/c that wood/decking is exposed to the elements 24/7 and screws don't gets pushed out from the wood expansion/contracting. After a pier is 10+ years old (if built with nails) you'll have to walk down the pier once a year with a hammer and reset the nails or drive new nails. If the wood is going to be installed in climate controlled areas either is fine but when exposed to external conditions, I have to go with screws.
I'm no professional but I started to glue and nail all drywall in my house renovation and will never use screws on a wood framed wall again. Even the non-insulated interior walls are solid, the house does not rattle or make random settling noises. I only use screws on ceilings and steel stud walls in the basement but still use adhesive no matter what.
It’s awesome to watch pros work. But I don’t stay too long because I don’t want them to think I’m judging or don’t trust them. These videos have helped me in ways I cannot describe. Thanks and KUTGW
Thanks Scott. I am about to embark on building my own workshop single handedly (for the most part). The slab was placed a week ago, and the framing package shall be delivered in a few days. I most definitely picked up on a few "tricks" for performing as a one-man framing crew. Thanks - and keep up the good work!
Nice job, my personal preference on ceilings is to ‘fur’ them out at 16” OC, helps flatten things out and gives the drywall more support.
As someone that helped my uncle renovate a house with no experience prior - I am always fascinated by how fast these guys. It will take the 2 of us multiple weekends to drywall a room. Of course it comes with time and experience - and we have gotten a lot better, but I have a ton of respect for guys like Darin!
Ec the comment right at the end about picking up the mess at the end of a job was spot on. The auto repair shop I worked at starting out as a mechanic drilled that home as a young lad we'd clean more than was necessary to cover the mess that might come with the work that we had done. That didn't sink home at the time, but it has since. I'm positive that was one of the reasons for that shops success. I no longer turn wrenches full time but that lesson has served me well.
Great to see the small parts of a job that come together to make the job right. From hanging to taping to finish. All these different parts of the job take skill to do it correctly. We used to say that the taper fixes the hangers work and the texture fixes the taper job.
My first experience taping was when I was about 13. My room was on the top floor and the walls were hung dry wall but unfinished. Those were the days, mid 1950's, when drywall was two foot wide sheets with beveled edges. I think the idea at that time was that the beveled edges gave more area for the mud to adhere. That is when I learned, the hard way, that you don't use any more mud than you need. I did a lot of sanding.
Nice to see I’m not the only one who does it all. And that spray rig is the best made. American spray technologies is an hour away from me, I run a 350 gallon tandem axle but started out with a little 150 like that 27 years ago 👍
Thank you for that last bit about cleaning up your mess. More often than not, speed is valued over efficiency, and leaving a messy workspace is NOT efficient. It’s not efficient for you or for the next guy that comes in after you. In any endeavor I have ever taken, I’ve always strived to be fast at being efficient, even if that means being a bit slower than the messy guy next me.
Every time I watch one of your videos, about a specific trade. It makes me want to pick up my nail bags up and un-retire!😂
Drywall was a trade that I tried to avoid as much as possible. It is a young man sport. I didn’t mind hanging the board (carpenter by trade). However the texturing always turned out to be a horror story.
I have been doing perfectly smooth walls in my house. Maybe one day I will go back and texture the walls, but since my house is full of furniture, it's easier to do smooth.
My hips and shoulders made me retire early. Was early in my 40's when my shoulders started complaining hard about even lifting board onto a lift let alone holding over my head. Finish a ceiling that was getting painful.
@@greatitbrokeI've been doing construction for 35 years and I just went through a rotator cuff surgery on my shoulder after a back surgery about 4 years ago, that shoulder surgery was much more painful than the back surgery for the rehab and now my doc says I need a knee replacement. It's great work It's great money but your body gets broken down. God Bless
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I am a site Labourer and I make sure every room is spotless for each and every tradesmen that goes in. I love the fact that they don't have to move rubbish or sweep up before they start. I want them to go in and start work immediately. I find they then do a lot more tidying up as a result. As soon as they have made any mess I clear it out this makes for a happy team, happy boss and a delighted customer.
Learn to love the work is one of those things I hated to hear as a boy but really resonated with me as I got older. Good stuff.
I can hang drywall well enough that good finishing makes me look good. But no better than just "well enough". I have finished several walls and patch areas with tape and mud. Nothing can be done to make my finishing "well enough". I admire the artists that finish drywall. It is an art. Thanks.
I'm always amazed at the tools you have over there to make your life easier.
Walkin that bucket! what a pro. same is true with the texture man, Pro. great content wonderful delivery
In the 70's that's all we used and if I tape any others hang job you can rest assured they did a great job!
The absolute biggest tip I can give for drywalling is to make sure your drywall mud is 100% dry before final sanding. If not, you can have a beautifully flat wall and and then you paint it and a week to a month later you have dips and screw heads visible everywhere, because the drywall mud continued to dry and shrink after you painted it.
Second biggest tip it to use a light at a parallel angle to the wall to check for smoothness. Drywall mud if a very flat material (as in not shiny) and will hide all kinds of imperfections. Once you put an eggshell paint on it, all these imperfections will pop out.
Final tip, Always prime before you paint. A paint/primer combo will not work and is more expensive than just primer.A coat of primer will save you several coats of paint to get you a nice finish. If you try to just paint over new drywall, the parts with the drywall mud will suck in a lot of paint and you will have a visible difference between the drywall mud and the drywall board.
And, if you are scraping a popcorn ceiling, make sure you sand and then wipe down the drywall, then use a sealing primer over it, or you may end up having your paint peeling away.
I learned all these lessons the hard way.
I taped and textured as a young man. This video was kind of a blast from the past and a lot of fun to watch.
Textured walls seem to be fading out while the ceilings tend to continue to have a light knock down texture on them.
It's truly a trade and gift to do this kind of work while you are still young enough to do so. Screws tend to stay put while nails can back out years later known as "pop out" from settling.
I'm right on the cusp of novice/intermediate with my home improvement skills and I can tell you that nothing beats screws over nails any day of the week and if you're going to texture the walls, you don't need perfection in your wall prep....Hence the purpose of texturing the walls; to hide imperfections, aside from aesthetic desire.
Great timing! I have some drywall work to do…thank you as always for your wise perspective on this!
My dad did drywall for 16yrs before switching to carpentry. He never calls a cet on the 16th. He'll go "give me 5 3/4 weak/strong"
Damn right two sheets at a time !
Good men !
God bless them !
It is great to see you highlight the different trades. Keep up this great work.
That bucket trick is what you yell at your kids to not do! 😂
Who needs stilts or a step ladder when you have drywall buckets?!?! Man, I appreciate good craftsmanship!!!
The bucket will beat a step ladder any day. You can't move around like that with a step ladder. I've seen a few drywallers doing this.
That is some of the best drywall work I have ever seen. Thank you for sharing!
Drywall work - I'm very happy to let young guys half my age or less to do this task. One of the great things about the material is what a transformative job for not much money a good crew can do with it.
I delivered roofing and drywall for 4 years. Mostly in the seattle and Bellevue area. I can’t tell you how much I don’t miss packing 12’ 5/8 up or down stairs.
Master craftsmen! thanks for the video
VERY informative and educational video! Thanks for posting it up.👍
finding quality guys to do the jobs is more than half the battle for sure
Proud craftsmanship is such a treasure. Great to see.
Always great information from always great people! 👍
as a remodeling contractor, if its not from water damage or large holes, 99.9% of the drywall repairs I have to fix were caused by nails allowing the board to move overtime.. use screws. Don't be fooled he's not using screws only because screws cost more and take longer to install.
Not only skill and experience, but the right tools!
Old School Rocks. And no way could I ever keep up with a good taper like Darrin. I have to take my time and waste a lot of time going back over my joints. It is fun though looking back over your job and not seeing any blemishes. Well Done Darrin.
Love these videos and the wisdom disseminated.
Thank you.
Excellent craftsmanship........nicely done.
Phenomenal job, hats off and tons of respect
Always a learning experience in the most pleasant of ways!
Scott 5/8" that's some heavy dry wall.. 16mm. wow
Great job.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep your videos coming please.
Excellent video.....!
I’ve been a DIY guy for decades. Built decks, sheds and finished basements for my houses. To this day drywall, but more importantly, finishing (taping and mudding) is a skill that has escaped me. I am the worst when compared to the pros. They make it look so effortless. So as I’ve said in previous posts I’d absolutely be a drywall guy if I didn’t have to tape mud and sand. It’s an art.
The production guys actually separate these two aspects of the trade from one another. There are hangers in there are finishers.
This dude is a purist and I really respect it. I think a lot of tool modernization is good for health and longevity - drywall screw guns and any tool that reduces joint stress over time is an investment in one’s health and well being over time.
Thanks for the great information
@24:24 The famous 'can do' attitude - what a man!
The drywall finishing tools are equivalent to the battery powered tools like saws, drills, nail guns. Makes the job so much easier.
Great video!
always great to see quality work getting done by pros.
THANK YOU . KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
Thanks for the awesome content and great videos!!!!
I hate drywall. Delivered it for years. Hung a few houses along the way. Hated it. Mass respect to anyone who mastered the craft
As an electrician, we work for a few contractors who tell us not to clean up. They say they pay us(high dollar) to do the work, not sweep the floor.
That garage shop is turning out fantastic!
Man. The life advice in the first few minutes of this video is the real deal.
fantastic video, love the commentary
Just finsihed boarding the project were on now. Drywall is always my favorite stage
Awesome video.That guy is an absolute animal.
The Mother of necessity = walking on a bucket. Love it!
another great episode. keep up the good work
Another great video
Lots of great info👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Window looking into the shop from the office would have been nice.
Awesome Cheerleading Party for the drywall installation trade!!!
I love seeing my man Kenny chillin there.
The first drywall job I did, I spent more time sanding the damn thing than anything else, boy did I learn how to put mud on thin.
Thank you
I've done a lot of stuff myself - concrete, framing, electrical, plumbing, siding ... but i always contract out the drywall. Pros move so much faster and do a better job, at an affordable price.
My father a Carpenter by Trade. Sheeted his house 30 yrs ago and double nailed it. Not one pop...
He tapped it to. Them were the days!