For 9mm, in my opinion, there is a still a place for ported barrels due to the price and availability difference between 9mm supers and subs. And guns that have enough space between the hand guard and the barrel don't have as big of a heat issue either, while also providing superior sound reduction. A good example of this would be the B&T APC9 SD. Yes, they still get dirty, but then you can't have everything in life:)
The idea though of dropping velocity on a lighter bullet negates the advantages of the heavier weight, already subsonic, bullet. Energy counts, especially in a pistol cartridge
How much would R&D improve if silencers were removed from NFA and treated like either normal firearms, or just as a piece of metal tubing? Would we be 100 years further along?
@@Landoftheignorant hard to speculate for sure. I think a lot of gun owners can afford and like silencers however, they don't want to go through the process and play the crazy tax. Especially for something that you should be able to have being a legal gun owner. So not having to pay an extra 200 bucks for literally nothing and having to wait months for it. That would be a massive help to manufacturers and customers alike.
@TMJ937 I do have a brush for the barrel. I've owned this gun since it came out (I have version 1 with the first Glock lower) and have never cleaned it
Amen. What’s the pint of having a gun that won’t go through a canvas jacket. I think there are too many people watching people flex small guns and not watching ballistic videos and actually shooting subs with cans and realizing what the holdover is with subs + can at 15 yards. Never mind the velocity and impact on target.
I mean for a M45/S&W 76/Stemple/M3 almost all of the cans were integral because the barrel nut was the mount and could swap to a standard barrel and barrel nut in a few seconds. If they weren’t, you have to either deal with a suppressed 9mm subgun that’d be as long as a battle rifle, or have a 2” threaded barrel.
We’ve had a few integrally suppressed rifles at the range over the last year. The noise reduction wasn’t any more impressive from these than our regular muzzle mounted suppressors. And we didn’t see any of the internally suppressed rifles that could put up a decent shot group when compared to our Fixes with Trash Pandas or Thunder Chickens. The integrally suppressed rifles were cool and fun on the range, but we wouldn’t want one in the field.
Thats a nice thought and all but Kevin literally said in a recent video with Classic Firearms that his main goal is to make the most effective and efficient weapons for military and law enforcement. He just sells to people because he believes we should be able to have the same things the government has.
Why ported or 9mm? There are more options. Integral does not mean all ammo types need to be slowed down. Super stays super and subs stay subs. “You” get to decide what you want. You reacted to the question from Jason / Clint in the classic firearms shop tour, it looked like you were thinking about it? (About 47 minutes in the tour) Don’t know about the US but here in The Netherlands I can’t own a silencer (yet). But if its part of the weapon all is good. They might object to it but it is legal. Just do it Kevin 💪🏼
Hey Kevin, I met you years ago at WBA, I was wearing my spiderman costume! Anyway, Ive been a big fan of Q for a long time and would love to work for you guys! John, booboo, baby doll, suga bum! If you see this put in a good word for me!
I still enjoy the story from maybe Bill Blowers? Chuck Haggard? I dunno one of those LEO SWAT cats about the time they worked with an agency that was running subsonic 9mm in MP-5SDs during a big time daylight raid and a large Italian man wearing a classic thick 90's leather jacket squirted out the back shooting with a pistol towards the front entry team, These guys running subs in their SD's were both mag dumping on him from about 50 feet from a nearby rooftop and he as casually as possible during a gun fight, started wiping his jacket like he was getting swarmed by a bee's nest 🤣 Dude was still up and moving after taking like 40+ rounds of extremely slow 9mm in a couple seconds that probably didn't make it past a single rib. 🤦♂️ I don't remember what the final fate of bee man was, but that agency caught some "constructive criticism" from the actual knowledgeable guys of the entry teams, especially the group he was mainly shooting at in broad daylight... Same SWAT guy/well traveled instructor said he has seen multiple different agencies from local to federal running 9mm subs in ported barrel MP5SDs designed to run +P-ish pressure 9mm, because they had no concept of it's design vs other regular attached suppressor weapons 🤦♂️ Not relevant, but anytime I think integral suppressed I picture this event 😆
Ehh I'm no expert but integral silencers still have a place for 9mm if you have to run NATO or any other 9mm that you don't have the luxury to choose. We can argue specifics regarding ported barrels and internal ballistic energy all day, but that's not helping either side of the argument given the topic at hand. I'm an avid follower, Kevin, but this was a...... interesting take on something very few are experts on.
4:23 - pretty sure that MP5SD insert wasn't meant to be there - doesn't fit the following sentence, which probably belongs right after the HBSD explanation before.
@@kevinbrittingham6774 I wanted to know if it has advantages over PVD coating. Also I’m holding off on buying the Thunder Chicken because I’m hoping for a steel version. Please and thank you. 🙏🏽
You know we are waiting and expecting someone like Q LLC to evolve and innovate this old integral silencers tech to new levels; you know, and we know you have the engineering power to do it too! Make the SBR short again...cuz why not? #SlimChicken (free name) but all Cock! LOL
@@z987k With all the new 3D printing tech plus 5 axis CNC one would think it has never been easier to correct all their short comings to maximize the obvious advantage...?
@@z987k Overall length and center of gravity too. Thought that was the main point of an SBR....short, no? Current suppressors negatively impact them not being short after you install one on the end of a rifle. Sorry...I thought is was obvious...my bad man. I was thinking like a truck gun, shooting from inside or struggling to get in and out...and of course CQB house clearing.
@@sickjohnson So I looked at integrals for awhile, and I found that they also have minimum barrel lengths, at least in rifle cartridges. Turns out that after you factor that, you end up with the same length gun as with a screw on. The only advantage I can see is having a SBR length barrel with an integral gets you out of 1 stamp. But the cost of an integral barrel for center-fire rifle is a lot more than a stamp. Even if you take something like 300blk and say an 8in barrel, the integral still goes past the end of the "barrel" and ends up within an inch of a screw on.
@@Swissk31300BO the us army picked a B&T sub gun I believe. The “brain child” of one of the B&T guys is the integrally suppressed KH9. Which has the holes just in front of the chamber. That’s an advantage in being able to shoot any 9mm more or less subsonic . Not have to seek out 147 only. Sometimes flat point 147s don’t do well in some guns. Being able to shoot 124 blazers round nose quiet, It’s desirable? But Kevin and Q are at the cutting edge of the quietest and hardest hitting stuff out there. Both seem to know what they are doing.
@@Invitingsauce I don’t see that as them disagreeing? As he explained in the video, it sounds like they’re kind of using the old way of doing things with a more modern design .
They mean over bbl not integral. Like the m110 but then they don’t realize those suck too because their isn’t a huge volume bc of all the walls. Barrel silencer and all (4x) and they want to can to be skinny to fit down the handguard. And not get hot/mirage
Hey I feel personally attacked! I was born in the 70’s and started playing COD in my 20’s. Don’t judge me just because you suck at COD. I mean I don’t own a mp5 but I have played with one online thousands of times lol
Integral 10/22. PERFECTION. The size of a bull barrel, and doesn't get hot... Enough
It's quiet, but I feel like the intergral 10/22 needs to be cleared after every other shot. This is from personal experience with them.
Shout out to that nerd who inspired this
I don't think I'm the only one who asked, but I am definitely one of the ones who asked.
+1
Kevin being semi perma-drunk is par for the course. Looks like Rudolph.
Thank you. So, that is actually antibiotics and the Africa sun.
We need MORE of this in the gun world. Logic and critical assessment.
I love to operate heavy machinery after a few drinks 😂
Same... I'm a pilot
I was going to buy a sugar weasel until I read up on customer service issues
Thanks for always keeping "the people" informed with the truth, Kev!
For 9mm, in my opinion, there is a still a place for ported barrels due to the price and availability difference between 9mm supers and subs. And guns that have enough space between the hand guard and the barrel don't have as big of a heat issue either, while also providing superior sound reduction. A good example of this would be the B&T APC9 SD. Yes, they still get dirty, but then you can't have everything in life:)
The idea though of dropping velocity on a lighter bullet negates the advantages of the heavier weight, already subsonic, bullet. Energy counts, especially in a pistol cartridge
@@Landoftheignorant Valid point. So then the question becomes how much energy is required, and does the ported barrel still provide that energy?
How much would R&D improve if silencers were removed from NFA and treated like either normal firearms, or just as a piece of metal tubing? Would we be 100 years further along?
They aren't firearms they can't fire a bullet by themselves. And we would be much further along with better more affordable silencers.
@@jaydub308 I agree completely. I’m just curious from a manufacturer perspective how far along they think we’d be with zero red tape
@@Landoftheignorant hard to speculate for sure. I think a lot of gun owners can afford and like silencers however, they don't want to go through the process and play the crazy tax. Especially for something that you should be able to have being a legal gun owner. So not having to pay an extra 200 bucks for literally nothing and having to wait months for it. That would be a massive help to manufacturers and customers alike.
Thanks Kevin! Didn’t know that stuff :)
Reminds me, I should probably clean my B&T APC9SD
Had mine over a year now havent shot it lol. Do you have a barrel brush?
@TMJ937 I do have a brush for the barrel. I've owned this gun since it came out (I have version 1 with the first Glock lower) and have never cleaned it
I definitely need to clean my GHM9. Those B&T’s do not like to run dirty.
Good stuff KB..
That was great!
And who wants to shoot a Subsonic 115 gr 9mm bullet or Subsonic 125 gr .308 slug….where’s the energy? Great video.
Amen. What’s the pint of having a gun that won’t go through a canvas jacket. I think there are too many people watching people flex small guns and not watching ballistic videos and actually shooting subs with cans and realizing what the holdover is with subs + can at 15 yards. Never mind the velocity and impact on target.
#PREACH oh my Founder of the People
Gotta luv it ☺️
I agree. I have a ported integrally suppressed sw76. Gets super filthy in short order. My least favorite machine gun I own
I mean for a M45/S&W 76/Stemple/M3 almost all of the cans were integral because the barrel nut was the mount and could swap to a standard barrel and barrel nut in a few seconds.
If they weren’t, you have to either deal with a suppressed 9mm subgun that’d be as long as a battle rifle, or have a 2” threaded barrel.
Make a pistol either a revolver or semi auto please im curious to see their concept
If technology has improved, what do you think of modern, intgerally suppressed firearms / upper recievers?
We’ve had a few integrally suppressed rifles at the range over the last year. The noise reduction wasn’t any more impressive from these than our regular muzzle mounted suppressors.
And we didn’t see any of the internally suppressed rifles that could put up a decent shot group when compared to our Fixes with Trash Pandas or Thunder Chickens.
The integrally suppressed rifles were cool and fun on the range, but we wouldn’t want one in the field.
Hey Q, what is the relationship between rotational velocity and terminal ballistics in rifle rounds?
Larger initial wound cavity and turns in the target
Q is for the people
Thats a nice thought and all but Kevin literally said in a recent video with Classic Firearms that his main goal is to make the most effective and efficient weapons for military and law enforcement. He just sells to people because he believes we should be able to have the same things the government has.
😂Rich people
The people that can afford it
Why ported or 9mm? There are more options. Integral does not mean all ammo types need to be slowed down. Super stays super and subs stay subs. “You” get to decide what you want.
You reacted to the question from Jason / Clint in the classic firearms shop tour, it looked like you were thinking about it? (About 47 minutes in the tour) Don’t know about the US but here in The Netherlands I can’t own a silencer (yet). But if its part of the weapon all is good. They might object to it but it is legal. Just do it Kevin 💪🏼
Hey Kevin, I met you years ago at WBA, I was wearing my spiderman costume! Anyway, Ive been a big fan of Q for a long time and would love to work for you guys! John, booboo, baby doll, suga bum! If you see this put in a good word for me!
The ports are what I tell folks about when I hear this question so it’s cool to know I’m not too far off.
Also Kevin looks to be getting fitter.
I didn’t agree with the title going into this but you can’t fault the logic
I still enjoy the story from maybe Bill Blowers? Chuck Haggard? I dunno one of those LEO SWAT cats about the time they worked with an agency that was running subsonic 9mm in MP-5SDs during a big time daylight raid and a large Italian man wearing a classic thick 90's leather jacket squirted out the back shooting with a pistol towards the front entry team, These guys running subs in their SD's were both mag dumping on him from about 50 feet from a nearby rooftop and he as casually as possible during a gun fight, started wiping his jacket like he was getting swarmed by a bee's nest 🤣 Dude was still up and moving after taking like 40+ rounds of extremely slow 9mm in a couple seconds that probably didn't make it past a single rib. 🤦♂️ I don't remember what the final fate of bee man was, but that agency caught some "constructive criticism" from the actual knowledgeable guys of the entry teams, especially the group he was mainly shooting at in broad daylight... Same SWAT guy/well traveled instructor said he has seen multiple different agencies from local to federal running 9mm subs in ported barrel MP5SDs designed to run +P-ish pressure 9mm, because they had no concept of it's design vs other regular attached suppressor weapons 🤦♂️ Not relevant, but anytime I think integral suppressed I picture this event 😆
Need to up the dosage.
Q is coming to San Antonio this weekend 🎉🎉🎉
For why?
@@JGr3asy they’ll be at mission ridge you’ll be able to demo the pew pews and have a chance to win the fix
Ehh I'm no expert but integral silencers still have a place for 9mm if you have to run NATO or any other 9mm that you don't have the luxury to choose. We can argue specifics regarding ported barrels and internal ballistic energy all day, but that's not helping either side of the argument given the topic at hand. I'm an avid follower, Kevin, but this was a...... interesting take on something very few are experts on.
Yes!!! Q vid
so... we're switching from integral to integrated?
Where the YQ? episode of YQ? Y Q ?
Okay, I have to call BS. the HB SD gets hot af after like a dozen rounds. I had to put a heat wrap on mine after I burned myself three times.
Boombox dropping when?
Yeah
Well, since everything is been worshiped. I'm glad to believe students are potent. Vp3
What about minifix sd?
4:23 - pretty sure that MP5SD insert wasn't meant to be there - doesn't fit the following sentence, which probably belongs right after the HBSD explanation before.
Why bead blasted titanium suppressors?
Why not?
@@kevinbrittingham6774 I wanted to know if it has advantages over PVD coating. Also I’m holding off on buying the Thunder Chicken because I’m hoping for a steel version. Please and thank you. 🙏🏽
You know we are waiting and expecting someone like Q LLC to evolve and innovate this old integral silencers tech to new levels; you know, and we know you have the engineering power to do it too! Make the SBR short again...cuz why not? #SlimChicken (free name) but all Cock! LOL
It's been improved upon quite a bit, but still only sometimes makes sense. Suppressors by pheonix is one of the few doing it.
@@z987k With all the new 3D printing tech plus 5 axis CNC one would think it has never been easier to correct all their short comings to maximize the obvious advantage...?
@@sickjohnson what is the obvious advantage?
@@z987k Overall length and center of gravity too. Thought that was the main point of an SBR....short, no? Current suppressors negatively impact them not being short after you install one on the end of a rifle. Sorry...I thought is was obvious...my bad man. I was thinking like a truck gun, shooting from inside or struggling to get in and out...and of course CQB house clearing.
@@sickjohnson So I looked at integrals for awhile, and I found that they also have minimum barrel lengths, at least in rifle cartridges. Turns out that after you factor that, you end up with the same length gun as with a screw on. The only advantage I can see is having a SBR length barrel with an integral gets you out of 1 stamp. But the cost of an integral barrel for center-fire rifle is a lot more than a stamp.
Even if you take something like 300blk and say an 8in barrel, the integral still goes past the end of the "barrel" and ends up within an inch of a screw on.
Hi I am Mike why am I still waiting for the Boom Box 🎉
Did you try to dance? Is that was that was!?
Put the mic in the middle.
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B&T and the US Army would disagree….the Swiss know what they are doing. lol so does Q apparently
Yeah but europeans are kinda gay
Gonna explain?
@@Swissk31300BO the us army picked a B&T sub gun I believe. The “brain child” of one of the B&T guys is the integrally suppressed KH9. Which has the holes just in front of the chamber. That’s an advantage in being able to shoot any 9mm more or less subsonic . Not have to seek out 147 only. Sometimes flat point 147s don’t do well in some guns. Being able to shoot 124 blazers round nose quiet, It’s desirable? But Kevin and Q are at the cutting edge of the quietest and hardest hitting stuff out there. Both seem to know what they are doing.
@@Invitingsauce I don’t see that as them disagreeing?
As he explained in the video, it sounds like they’re kind of using the old way of doing things with a more modern design .
woooooo
New kids: Make same as (____) but better, light & cheap. Also I want to do full mag dumps for 20 min or it’s a piece of crap.
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Flippin Nerds. Haha. For the people.
Is kevin high?
My mom was 4 when you were born.
Fuck. She’s old AF.
They mean over bbl not integral. Like the m110 but then they don’t realize those suck too because their isn’t a huge volume bc of all the walls. Barrel silencer and all (4x) and they want to can to be skinny to fit down the handguard. And not get hot/mirage
No one means reflex when they say integral.
Kevin once again inspires us not to let our memes just be dreams.
Hey I feel personally attacked! I was born in the 70’s and started playing COD in my 20’s. Don’t judge me just because you suck at COD. I mean I don’t own a mp5 but I have played with one online thousands of times lol
Q must stand for Quiet. Or Quit your job. Or Quasimodo. Or Quite the feat of engineering.
Q stands for quasi mongo. We all know it
Boooo, I love my integral CMMG in 9mm. Thing fux
He’s not wrong about it being dirty though. Holy hell it’s dirty. But it is the quietest thing ever…. EVER
Q is just an over-priced equivalent Sig Cross lolol
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