#4 What size Wing foil board?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2021
- With the summer kicking in and the waves on the decrease, it's time for some flatwater fun... and that includes the Wing.
Now i'll be honest I haven't been on the Wing foil all winter... But early spring I got a NEW board and it got me thinking!!
Let me know your experiences with Wing Foiling and what volume/width board you are riding.
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NOTE: This was my experience as a Professional Windsurfer, who does Windsurf Foil. Plus if you've followed my Wing series last year you'll know i learned to foil the board before going on it with the wing... and all this was on Flat water.
This video was made to tell you a few of my findings but more importantly to get 'COMMENTS' of real-world windsurfers and their experiences. As i think they could be really useful for other windsurfers buying their first board.
I am an ex windsurfer, 15 yrs since nothing, grabbed a GONG Zuma board, because of VFM it's a 6'9" with 140 ltrs, I weigh between 86 to 88kg (depending on time of year)
I have a 2500 front foil with the option of two mast heights due to conditions and I bought a 5m2 GONG wing. I have since added a Duotone 6.5m slick and this baby is awesome, feels so natural to a windsurfer.
I have realised the 5m is really for strong winds for my body weight and my skill level is not at that level, so with the 6.5m and the board set up, I am ok. The board feels very tippy but once up, I then think wow this board is huge!!. I can see in the future a smaller board, but for now still learning it's ok and stops you from struggling so much. Wing foiling is similar to windsurfing but the board stance is so different, i straight away went to go out on the rails and then realised this is not right. Also getting the foil in the right position as well.
Most boards state forward for more lift, back for control. Yes correct if you have your foot position fixed!
So after much studying I have managed to get the foil balanced for the board and from there you can decide where to place your feet and the foil and straps move back and forwards together.
Kane de Wild simple tip was place the foil on the board, pick it up by the front foil just at the thickest part and move until the board is horizontal under it, then flip it and your feet need to go either side of this COG lift point.
Love the videos, can we see more action please.
Don't forget that you are in salt water, steady sea breeze and at sea level. Our inland lakes at 2300ft on fresh water with horrific wind chop is another episode for you to cover.
I was told by an extremely competent wing foiler/ ex windsurfer that if I wanted to take it up then rent the kit to learn coz after three days it will be too big. Sure it costs money to rent but it is more cost effective and you can try out all the different board/foil/wing combinations to find the one that best suits you. It's sure not a cheap sport to take up from scratch.
Thanks man, I will start in the sport and opted for a 5”4 98L board. I have experience e foiling and 20 years of kite surfing. I will learn fast and don’t want to change the board. I’m 74 kg, I’ll be fine.
So glad you have done a follow up to your first wing foil video series . Plz do more
Thanks Ben!! just bought a 85 l board and I am 70 kg :D can't wait for more wing foiling videos from you haha !!
Mate, you are killing it, still so damn funny. I'm so hooked on wingin, learnt on an 80l board as well. If you can windsurf or have foiled, totally agree, hope we can get some waves sometime soon
Great video Ben, and need more !
Always a fun vlog to watch
I learnt on a 85L Naish and that worked fine for my 80kg. So I totally agree. I already knew how to wind foil though.
I m 66kg and learning on a 75l board, i did 2 lessons (first and 6e session) on a 120l, the big board is holding you back!!
The small board is so much more fun and absolutely doable😁
I have good windsurf technique though, i would not advise this route for anyone without windsports experience! 😊
Also 5e session and was on foil for a good part of the session
Greetings from Belgium
Great advice about board size.
Thx 4 this video ,I'm going to be a instructor and every video helps to be better, thank uuuuu
I learnt on 115L board and downsize to 92L. It's ok on flat water but a bit of volume helps a lot on chops.
Good advice! Im 85kg and went straight to a 90L board after a couple of goes on a 120L and this worked out perfect for me. I would also recommend moving down in foil size as soon as you can as well. Big foils are dogs.. they just hinder progression.
You helped me man thanks !!!
Hi Ben. I have windsurfed for 30+ years. Windfoiled for 4. Got a 118 L board and it's just right. I'm 70kg. Lots of sailing/supping experience, not a huge amount of talent. I think there's a lot of sailors out there who are talented enough to go a couple of litres above their weight. But there's a whole lot of us that are average, and REALLY need more bouyancy (than just a couple of L more than body weight). Also, I'm learning in choppy gusty conditions and extra stability (from extra vol) is very handy - especially if the wind drops out. I'd caution the majority from going too small especially if learning in difficult conditions. Its horses for courses.
I bought a slingshot ouwit 5'11 with 100l, my weight is still 90kg and that pretty much worked excellent for me..
I've had my first flights yesterday on a 120L Starboard wing board and it felt very stable (This was on a lake too so less buoyant then the sea). I will say that I needed some considerable gusts (maybe 15-17 knots at a guess) to get on the foil even with a 1700 starboard e-type wing but that was my first session. This was with a 6m wing
How much do you weight?
Hi Ben, I‘ve (63kg) got myself an Appleslice 4‘9“ 70l from Appletree Surfboards after I’ve learnt winging (no foil experience) on a Iarge inflatable sub. It‘s 23.8“ and quite thick. Honestly, I don‘t think I‘d have managed to learn on that board because it took me quite a while to even kneel on it :-)) Also pumping was quite difficult in the beginning because it’s quite short. I guess it depends a lot on the shape and not only the volume.
Another thought regarding foil: The aluminum ones are much heavier and serve like an anchor. This also helps to keep the board stable ;-)
Cheers Mike
PS: See you in Silvaplana?
I got a board that was 15 litres more than my weight (AK Phaser 110litres, I’m 95KG). It has been fine. As long as my weight is supported when sloshing, what’s the problem? I must admit in choppy waters it is less stable than larger board but in flat water it is fine. Now I love it. My friend got a big board and probably had an easier time of it starting off, but now is looking to get a new board. I think the guidance of 40litres more than your body weight is too much for someone with board and water experience. I’d say 15 is about right.
I learnt on a 140L board when I was 100kg. It was big but doable. I've just downsized my board to 100L and my belly to 91kg and I'm having so much fun. Not sure I'd recommend learning with that though.
Hi, I am windsurfer more than twenty years. I started wing this year and i loved. I think that if you can save money fore First board you can use 10 - 15 l bigger than your body weight. I have 90 kg I use 105l, 6.0 wing and 1700 nsp modular. Dont busted your money for big board
Any Updates Ben? I allready started wingfoil Ing and it's fun.
90kg here, learnt in a 110l, and I could have gone lower but not much. What I'm clear now is I'm going for a sub volume as a progression board, 80/85 would be ideal and a part from the handle in the bottom for me the footstraps are mandatory, it is simple, if you don't want them, don't put them on, but if you want them and there are no inserts what do you do?
Im 96KG, learned on a 5'5 F-One too (85L). Its fine if you're already a competent foiler, I ordered the 5'4 with strap inserts now (75L) and have used the 5'0 and 4'8 versions a few times too. If you're flying through your tacks and jibes you can go really really small. You can start a board 20L below your weight with the Phantom 1480 wing and 5.0 Strike in 10-12 knots. In 15 knots I can kneestart the 5'0 (60L), in 20 knots I can start the 4'8 (44L).
How have you got on with the 75l? Gone any lower or is that perfect? I’m similar weight and down sizing now I’m jumping?
Sorry as an expert winger I don't agree; a beginner really needs +20/30L to start with then keep it as your light wind board. The everyday board ideally should be +10/15L because anything closer to your actual weight is a nightmare to balance yourself on in swell or chop.
I have the strike 4.2m and I need at least 17kn wind to get going. Those wings are super high aspect and don't have great bottom end, they have great top end and performance however.
Hi Tom.. cheers for the comment. As I said this is just my experience. Really interested to read all the comments. I think they can be super useful. Do you windsurf? I think good windsurfers and especially ones who have foil windsurfed before have an advantage.
I hear you about the chop/swell that makes sense. But as I said this is just my experience and i wanted to create some useful. real-world comments from other windsurfers.
...this makes sense! To learn winging, even with windsurf and kitefoil background is not that easy as many pretend, specially in gusty light wind conditions on the ocean.
I'm just starting, at 85Kg I'm inland with low wind, typically less than 15 knots. I bought a 99L board and I'm struggling, its so much work just to balance and stay on the board. I plan to buy a larger board, guess I'll use my other for beach trips.
I agree! 85kg and my 99L board in low wind is awful! I'm new but I still just dont see this board working for me in my conditions, I need more volume.
@@briansmith207 interested to know.. how wide is your board?
I've been wingsurfing ten times but come from a surfing and kiting and windsurfing background and can prone foil at a good level .I got a 75 L 5 foot board and it was no problem to go upwind second time.It was tricky at first but I'm already down sizing to a sinker as soon as my tacks are as constant as my gybes.So what i've learnt from this is if you can prone foil to a good level it's not a problem but if you have little or no foil skills a bigger board is a must at least 20kg more than your weight.I'm 72kg so the board was about neutral buoyancy. The most difficult part was getting to my feet for the first session but once this is cracked with the skills acquired from the other sports it comes together super quickly.Hope this helps in deciding a board size and volume.
Kelners??
I just use it for very light wind...got a 95l and my weight is 75kg....I still get home with the board when the wind dies. But Ben you are right...riding on a small board is much more fun...and I believe the big boards have to much swing weight and make the flight less stabel.
Yep.. that was exactly my feeling
I’m 70kg. I had a session on a 115L board in a freshwater reservoir. It was light wind so the water was pretty calm. I’ve windsurfed a fair bit down to 100L boards, maybe 90L and my balance is pretty good. I feel around 95L-105L would be right for me. I think a general rule out there is +40L if you have no experience in a related sport or +30L if you do. I’ve also heard your weight x 1.5.
I agree with+40 L; or a bit more.
Great vid! I recommend borrowing a larger board for a week to get started, then buy the smaller one.
For a week?? 😱.. I guess I am sooo not talented in this since it is taking much logger than that for me.. 😢😓
Haha, and who will borrow you a board for a week?
I've gone a chunk bigger. at 100kg I'm riding a 140L Starboard wingboard 7. But I do paddle it as well so wanted plenty of volume for that.
What about the size of the board?
@@Sequoiaandpines the 7 was shorter than other boards I looked at of a similar volume. seems ok for me so far.
I just got my 4'6 starboard (69L) i'm 63kg . Can t wait to test this tomorrow, i m a bit nervous about the size.
Hope my years of wave windsurfing will help !
Update : it took me 4 sessions to be on the foil, not not easy at all but the small board is now a real pleasure !
Hey man im 68kg and i can get a great deal on a 40L board. I am planning on becoming competitive and I already know how to windsurf so I'm wondering, is this going to be tough and should I get a 75L?
@@justinkerbo8654 40L can be pretty tricky if the wind drops, I always think about safety
@@justinkerbo8654 40l is toooooooooo small
Great video Ben. Everyone who get‘s it, wants a smaller board. It is much easier to rent or borrow a big board for the first two or three sessions. If you get the technique of knee-starting and balancing, you can go smaller. Helps being a windsurfer or SUPer formte balance-part.
Yeah.. exactly.
Hi Ben, I just asked a shaper if it would be possible to add footstrap on this exact board, and yes it is! About 50 euros per insert pair
I am an experienced windsurfer and kitesurfer. I am learning wing foiling now... At my weight of 76 kg (175 cm height), I just cannot imagine start learning with wing board less than 105 liter in volume🤔and I would prefer 125 actually 🙄. Well, at least during the learning phase of a few months.. But then, it is just me who wants an easy time learning and does not mind upgrading the board later... 😁😋
Bigger is better if you want to learn to ride.
I'm in same camp. Would rather grind on board similar to weight then have to buy two boards.
I'm 5'10" 155lbs - 70KG - longboard surfer and ex-windsurfer with intermediate skills . First time foiling - I am learning on a 110L hard board - had 8 sessions and trying to jybe/tack. I ordered a 90L inflatable for travel. My goal is just to cruise and ride unbroken waves. I'm hoping this is an okay size by the time I get to travel with it.
How did the 90L treat you? Im 68kg looking at a 40L so I won't need to upgrade.
@@justinkerbo8654 it's certainly more difficult than 110. I haven't been able to travel with it. If you are just starting off, I would say try something bigger. I am still practicing turns on my 110 because I fall a lot I wanted to ease the launch.
Good vid, Ben. I started on a JP Foilslate 8 2 which was good for the first two sessions. Then I went down to 95 litres. I also got 75 liters which I can only use when the wind is rather constant. I am 75 kilos. The Foilslate is a board you can use for SUP, Wind foil and wing foil. It is a great option if you have a large family and you need multiple uses. But just for wingfoiling I could easily have started on 95 liters. So I guess you're right. Do not take a board too large. Also you later do not have any time wasted on selling the large board when you have outgrown. And that will be after 2-3 sessions......Winging is so much fun - especially when you live in a landlocked area. We just have a small lake 1/2 hour nearby (which is useless for windsurfing) but winging put this spot in a completely new perspective. It tripled my time on the water as I usually have to travel 2 hours to have some fun windsurfing or even further for wavesailing....
is it easier to gybe on smaller kit? I've been using some centre kit and the smallest we have is a 115lt board and a 1700 or 2000 low aspect front wing, and really struggling to get round the gybes. any advice?
Thanks . Mijn gewicht is 65kg ,en zal board 85 liter kopen . En wing 4,2 meters.
Started with a 95L board and got to ride it but with choppy and rough conditions it isn't stable enough. Now have a 115 L board and it is great. Actually lighter and only 4" longer than the 95L. Go for weight plus 40L or a bit more is my advice unless you have steady wind conditions most of the time.
What’s your weight… (useful for other people)
@@WindsurfingTV 140 lb or 63kg
@@WindsurfingTVwhere was this filmed? Costa Alentejana?
@@pete3036 that’s sagres.. Martinhal beach
@@WindsurfingTV beautiful! Thanks
Ben, pricewise this is more expensive than Windsurfing :) 2000USD for the wing, 2500usd for the board and 2000usd for the carbon foil with mast. :) with taxes very scary numbers. BUT as you said it is fun to learn new sport.
2000 for wing??? That seems a lot.. thought they were around £500? And that’s the new price.. I mean. Haven’t looked around but those prices seem very high!
First website I looked on.. www.thekitesurfcentre.com/product/f-one-wing-foil-package-2021-best-value?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_738-7jW8QIVl-7tCh1KhgzIEAQYDiABEgK_ZfD_BwE
That’s about 3500 usd for everything. And that’s new kit. Now I’m
Not saying it’s cheap but not as expensive as you’re saying. Or maybe it’s more in the USA.
I bought my first set board wing and foil for about US$2,600, all new. Starboard wing board and Airush wing.
Check out gong. Complete gear for around 1500 euros.
im 80 k leant on a 95ltr board that was perfect, went from that to the 85lt F1 then down to the 75 ltr there was a massive difference in performance from the 85 to 75 . also tried the 60 ltr f1, but would only work for me in strong winds . For a light wind sport the 75 is perfect for me. Having said that is also works in 40 knots on a fanton 1080 and a 2.5 ensis .
🤙🤙🤙🌬️☀️🌊
Hi Ben, i will soon kind of test your théorie, as il am 70 kg fort a short 4'10" 85 liter board ... I hope il won't have to spend my money twice. But.... Where is your leash !? :)
Cool... let me know how you get on 👍🏻 ...leashes scare me! Rather not be attached to the foil.. it's too sharp 😁
So, how it was ?
@@brunotns8984 well il never get the 4.10 85 l board, so finally i get a fanatic sky wing 5.4 ' 95 l. Conditions to learn was offshore wind son flat water, and board was juste right to learn. I think il could have learn on the 85l but i trier the board on lake and I will probably keep the sky wing fort à long time.
@@rogertoobadfunk2964 thanks for sharing your experience. I’m also 71kg deciding between 85l vs 95l. I’m wondering how was your progression on the 95l.
I learned on a 5.3 gong hipe inflatable. Yeah it was unstable at 1 but after 1 hour u get the hang of it. That said it has 110 liters of volume if u pump it up to 20 psi, so kind of cheating..
Please Ben, don't tell us you're afraid of adding straps plugs on a board.
What do you mean? Me add them as in ‘drill. Epoxy etc? If you mean that.. YES I’m afraid!!! Haha
Put on those stick on strap plugs.... Easy... Can jump all day
@@DanpropertiesJD yeah.. I was thinking about that
But is it worth the money?
is what worth the money?
Don‘t ask your bank account if it‘s worth it. For lightwind it is one of the best things you can spent your time on.
@@tahfiet what do you mean by lightwind?
@@Sequoiaandpines everything 12 knots and less. But the fun doesn‘t stop above that. 30 knots was the strongest so far and it was still fun!
@@WindsurfingTV the investment in the gear I was asking about! Can confirm by my own experience now that it is :) Can't beat windsurfing on a properly windy day though!
Clearly this guy is compensating for something with this ridiculously big mic …